rediscovered abbas -- has netanyahu rediscovered abbas. >> in a small sense, small sa abbas. abbas that can take care of the border. we sought reports that fatah was taking responsibility for firing ammunition at israeli forces. these were fatah forces, not pa ones. pa forces have remained steady not getting involved. in that regard yes. has it changed dramatically in the way they see the peace process in general. it has reinforced strong trends among israelis. the first, the feeling that they cannot win. the fundamental question that they asked, a very famous author and famous vocal voice of the left wing in israel, one of the voices of peace now he posed a question saying what would you do? if there was a region in your area firing rockets on you. if there was someone holding a baby on his lap and shooting at a nursery, what would you do? this is strong in the israeli position, given that is gaza and hamas on the other side. israelis have no illusions as to what it is. from the israeli position, which they withdrew. the perception of gaza was very central to the way they ap

has netanyahu rediscovered abbas? >> in a small sense, small a abbas. abbas that can take care of the border. we sought reports that fatah was taking responsibility for firing ammunition at israeli forces. these were fatah forces, not pa ones. pa forces have remained steady, not getting involved. in that regard, yes. has it changed dramatically in the way they see the peace process in general. it has reinforced strong trends among israelis. the first, the feeling that they cannot win. the fundamental question that they asked, a very famous author and famous vocal voice of the left wing in israel, one of the voices of peace now, he posed a question in deutsche welle saying what would you do? if there was a region in your area firing rockets on you. if there was someone holding a baby on his lap and shooting at a nursery, what would you do? this is strong in the israeli position, given that is gaza and hamas on the other side. israelis have no illusions as to what it is. and second from the israeli position, which they withdrew. the perception of gaza was

that was something that abbas was just speaking of. thank you for giving us your analysis. these are the live pictures right out in of gaza, that is where gazans are out celebrating, it appears, after the ceasefire deal has been announced. and their spokes people as well did come out and make statements, and they themselves, calling the ceasefire a victory for hamas. i'm going to put that question to our senior political analyst joining us live for -- from berlin. this is a victory then for whom in your opinion? >> i don't think there is much of a victory, although what was supposed to be a press conference turned out to be a victory parade, by the hamas leaders. what we have now is a very peck -- peculiar situation. the israeli deterrents was undermined as much as gaza's security was undermines as much as gaza was destroyed. so the parity is between how much israel suffered strategically, and how much palestine suffered humanely. 2,158 dead, tens of thousands of injured, and countless buildings and homes destroyed, and on the israeli side, few dead, but primarily the israe

change in mahmoud abbas's position on the i.c.c. so far he has been reluctant in driving the effort into this direction, and i.c.c. to the very last end. now changing his position and calling hamas into this... >> how much of a change is this. we talked about joining the i.c.c. he said he want to take time. how much persuading does it take for the factions to, as you said, join ranks, is it what happened in gaza over the six weeks. we had wars here before. what has been the turning point, the straw that broke the camel's back. >> the issue of asking the palestinian factions to sign on this is not more than tactical, first of all mahmoud abbas has not been known for democratic credentials. if he believed in it, he would have done it without asking his own party to sign on this. i think he was reluctant and wanted to gauge and test the water with other parties, especially the u.s. at this moment his mind is changing. he thinks he could put the two things together. the i.c.c. and this is the proposal for peace. not only to have a truce

some are saying mahmoud abbas may go to the international criminal court. war crime allegations against israel. you have been negotiating. the head negotiator. your name is probably more well-known to the world than mahmoud abbases. we have seen you for more than two decades. what do you think comes of that. the united states will never back the idea, that israel gets tried for war crimes. what are you aiming to get out of that. >> it is a worry, of course, and those that worry about the criminal courts should stop committing crimes. we are not fond of going to court. but when you look at gaza, 12,000 people killed and wounded, mostly women and children. when you look at a third, when you look at the targetting of electricity and water, deliberately. putting gaza back 500 years. it was a collective punishment, a war. this is a war. israel is the occupying power. the safety of the people, in jerusalem - it is israel's responsibility. when this occupying power violates all of this, it's a full right. we are finalising it now, we are pursuing it and we will de

my president, president abbas, is doing more than that.e dispatched yesterday a delegation composed of all palestinian political groups to begin the negotiation with israel through the egyptian to have the cease-fire extended more than three days, to have a sustainable cease-fire and begin the discussion on the root causes -- >> ambassador, i'm trying -- >> we are waiting for the israeli side to come -- >> fair enough. fair enough. the rope i'm pressing this point is not to challenge you about how horrific the loss of civilians are. as a more moderate palestinian figure, which is what you are, representative palestinian authority, there's certainly no love lost between palestinian authority and hamas, i'm wondering what level of culpability you believe hamas has for the advancement of the palestinian people. not just in this conflict but more generally. >> i believe if we allow for peace to take place, negotiation to take place, under the leadership of mahmoud abbas, who is bringing all political elements in the palestin side, including ha

yesterday in announcing the ceasefire mahmoud abbas asked what's next?a has witnessed three wars in the last six years and asked how long this can last. i want to get specifics if i can. there's been talk in the last 24 hours about a new initiative that you guys are posing that would bypass the american brokered negotiations, that would call for a u.n. resolution demanding a deadline to the israeli occupation. what detail can you give me about that? >> ali, yes, last night there was a very important crucial meeting for palestinian leadership, the joint leaders of the palestine committee and fatah, and president abbas and his excellency the emir of qatar, and the political bureau on the situation the day after, all i can tell you at this stage ali is that a decision was voted upon last night, passed unanimously that business as usual no more. a status quo no more. we don't want to busy ourselves with all the important needs that we have in gaza. with all we call upon all the international community, i met with the u.n. people today, i spoke with them to t

and i think that abbas is standing there. can deliver all the things he might do, but the point is he's the best they have got. and in that situation in my estimation the israeli government has been really difficult at finding a way to get to yes with mahmoud abbas. >> how much have the strikes into gaza, how much have they eroded, if at all, confidence among the palestinians regarding hamas? >> it's done the reverse. there was lack of confidence in hamas before this -- >> prior. >> prior, and one of the reasons that they went into this conflict is hamas wanted to reposition itself as the legitimate voice of opposition and arm of opposition against israel. they were competing with their right, with islamic jihad and other militant groups who were trying to grab that ring. so you've got to understand that while we're looking at hamas, as bad as they may be, you know, netanyahu called them the al qaeda of israel, they are not. there is far, far worse there. you can see even in the negotiations, you can't negotiate with lal qaed

you have the president of the palestinian authority, mahmoud abbas. he went to qatar, where he spoke to the head of hamas. he's in egypt. you have activity at the u.n. security council to work on what the europeans were trying to come up with. the have the qataris and the turks doing mediation, and the most dramatic thing is the move today by hamas to say that it has supported the palestinian bid to join the - to take the emotion to the international criminal court. and to perhaps have the i.c.c. look into the war crimes allegations against israel. all these things were happening at the same time. the americans and the israelis have peace negotiations going on, because they try to figure out what they can do without consulting anyone else. that has not worked well this time. this is what is different to before. >> excuse me jumping in, it's not a picture of what needs to be done. everyone has the idea. there's nothing taken for it, that all parties agree on. >> they are getting closer. they agreed on a lot of basic points, opening up the blockade betw

i have to say mahmoud abbas is not an important player in this conflict. he runs the palestinian authority in the west bank, but has little influence over hamas, the hamas commanders, who are engaged in the fighting against israel. you are right to point out that there has been a particularly bloody past 24 hours. and in many ways that makes it more difficult for either side to see a kind of end strategy here. they seem to have engaged in the fighting without any clear outward route. the ace railize in particular, they are under a lot of pressure from public opinion to bring security to those communities living close to the gaza strip. and they are quite angry that dispute weeks of fighting mortars and rockets are land, and they were encouraged to return to the home. having returned to the home. they are returned to the firing line again. . >> mahmoud abbas is not a real player, what about the pledge to join the international criminal court. what would that many? >> well, he has, for some time, wished to join the international criminal court. the significa

at the same time for the pa and president abbas also he needed hamas, because after -- and i disagreen donation. at the moment israel cut down its money they are supposed to give them in tax revenue, the civil servants are not paid and live on donation mrs. the international community, despite the fact that the palestinian authority chose negotiation as a strategic kind of method of achieving a palestinian state, the israelis didn't give them anything so for the palestinian in gaza to look at the west bank as a good example i don't think that was the case at all. but coming back to hamas, i think it is also wrong to dismiss hamas as just a terrorist organization, as we often hear in the west, hamas is a political staff i have organization that contested an election, it won an election, it runs gaza as a government, it is represented in the parliament but it is also wrong and i think it is not accurate to make it analogous to isis and al qaeda, like the israeli prime minister often wanted to say. they chose violence as a method to gain the same aim that the palestinian wants which is i

coming from mahmoud abbas, and from the palestinian authority. what we are hearing is hamas and islamic jihad would be willing to sign up and throw support behind that. the reason why that is significant is so far they have not given support to that because if you sign up, technically you are potentially going to be investigated yourself. now, of course, this potential membership of the i.c.c. has been something that aggravated israel enormously. technically the palestinians could be able to claim or ask for a child-led investigation into war crimes, and this is, of course, increasingly sensitive right now, considering over 2,000 have been killed in the past six weeks in the gaza strip. the fact that hamas and islamic jihad have thrown support behind it shows that they are prepared for the possibility that they, too, could be investigated for war crimes, such as indiscriminate rocket fire. yesterday, on friday, did very see the 18 people by factions that have gotten together, and accused them of being collaborators. they are incidents where the f

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group under the leadership of president abbas speaks on behalf of everyone, including hamas.t will stick to whatever we have agreed with the international committee and israel. this government speaks on behalf of all palestinians and there are representatives of hamas in this delegation in cairo. things that they want, are they mutually exclusive? does the palestinian government under mahmoud abbas want something different than what hamas or jihad wants question mark >> we do not have differences among us with regard .o having cease-fire we respect to everyone. we are also united in the -- in restricting the siege of the gaza strip to allow our fishermen to reach 12 miles into the mediterranean sea where most of the fish are, a major source of food, to be able to access that, and to begin the process of reconstruction of gaza, among other issues. >> you bring up the blockade. from the israeli point of view, they are concerned about opening up that border and lifting the blockade because they are not be convinced it might just for economic, consumer reasons, that folks that mi

abbas's palestinian authority was booted out of gaza after the hamas takeover in 2007.g us is nick schifrin who has been covering the conflict on the ground. you will have seen nick in gaza reporting on it in the last few weeks. nick this is tricky territory, because gaza is very narrow, and a big portion of that is given over to a security zone. part of the proposal is that the lift is gradual, but the palestinian authority is responsible for security under that proposal, not hamas. is there any chance flying? >> it looks like there is a slight chance of it flying, because hamas and israel have essentially agreed to the framework of what they are going to agreement to in the next 24 or 48 hours. what both sides are looking at is some kind of gradual reduction of that suff suffer -- buffer zone that you talked about. israeli troops are about 200 meters inside of gaza, and israel is proposing to ease that slowly. the trick is exactly what you said, palestinian authority fills the gap, fills the void, fills the vacuum, and doesn't let hamas into that space. doesn't let th

senior palestinian official says that president abbas is set to announce a gaza cease-fire agreement one hour from now. just a few minutes ago, hamas official said a truce had been reached that would end the fighting between israel and militants in gaza. >> but a spokesman for israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu says word right now just reports. a senior government official says there is no cease-fire deal but we may have an announcement later today or tomorrow. so some conflicting information here. we want to go now live to gaza to figure it out. ian lee is on the ground. what are you hearing about the possibility about this more lasting cease-fire? >> well, john and michaela, over the -- [ no audio ] >> people killed in rafa but what we're hearing from hamas second in command, he said that they are on the cuss p of understanding the culminating victory for the palestinians saying that the cease-fire will come into effect. we're hearing at 12:00 tonight. now it's 7:00 local time. that's about an hour from now, we're expecting a message from the palestinian president abass abou

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they have, i think abbas has strengthened himself by playing a role here. this may be a good time to move to a two-state solution. >> alan? >> if we can end the blockade that brings in food, but maintain a blockade that prevents rockets and cement from coming in, it's a win-win. kirks i ask you quickly, does this effectively mean negotiating with terrorists, though? is it a necessary evil? >> well, i think it may be a necessary evil. israel should not negotiate nor should the united states negotiate. in fact, it's against the law to negotiate with a designated terrorist group. but we can negotiate with the palestinian government that has in it some that may help us move toward piece. >> okay. peter? >> what this really shows is a desperate need for a union representing all the palestinians which precisely what the israeli government has been militantly opposed to since the deal was created at the beginning of june, even though that palestinian unity government backed by hamas accepted israel's right to exist. if you want to have a legitimate palestinian par

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now as far as abbas is concerned, he has a series of measures to announce. it isn't only this break through, but other political initiatives he wants to engage in as well. so i think you can expect there to be a fairly forceful speech -- it's a shame we can't hear it right now -- but a fairly forceful layout. he has effectively been taking the diplomatic offensive, and hamas has been making the military offensive, and it has been a two-pronged approach that israel hasn't liked. now it seems we have a situation, if israel will bite, will sign up, and this whole thing has potentially been a massive change for the palestinians of gaza who are in such a devastated state after enduring for so long this level of violence, which is unprecedented even by gaza standards over this period of time. >> okay. andrew to thank you. andrew simmons reporting for us from gaza. and just a reminder that breaking news we have at al jazeera that egypt has announced a ceasefire in gaza starting at 2100 hours gmt, and that's according to reuters who is siting state news in egypt. eg

the role that president abbas and president obama alluded to that. the fact that there's a united palestinian delegation in cairo that was actually formed by president abbas is an indication that president abbas and the plo plan to play an important role in the days to come. >> ambassador, a pleasure to talk to you, as always. >> thank you. >> paul begala, bill kristol and david gergen. you heard the president with harsh words for hamas and the palestinian authority saying they've been weakened. you heard the ambassador's reply. what do you thing? >> well, i think the president was doing two things here today. condemning hamas, he was trying to heal his relationship with israel. it's been taking some battering, as you know, publicly here in the last days. i don't think he was trying to distinguish between hamas, which is u.s. labels as a terrorist organization, and the palestinian authority. he very much wants, as the israelis do, as the egyptians do, to sort of control and contain and get rid of hamas as a governing authority in gaza and bring the p

if it's true that the people have, in fact, authorised mahmoud abbas to speak on their behalf. it's possible for his rail to negotiate directly. prime minister binyamin netanyahu, and president mahmoud abbas could meet tomorrow or over the next three or four days and come to an agreement. and they will accept that agreement. >> i know you have argued that this is what israel should do. what about reports that hamas is divided. that michelle in qatar has different pps, differences of opinion with hamas leaders in gaza? >> i think it could be. there are a lot of internal arguments, power struggles within hamas, differences of opinion not only between the hamas leadership outside orred in, but within the hamas leadership inside. nonetheless, hamas had a difficult complex decision-making process. it seems to me that the war is in the phase of wait and see with a 5-day ceasefire, that the leadership came above ground, military fighters emerged and seen the damage in gaza, and the people on the streets are telling hamas enough is enough. and the message is driven home, who could dire

ke the leader of the plo, the , they want authority mahmoud abbas to help israel against hamas. this delegation which is now conducting negotiations in cairo for the palestinian people, is led by mahmoud abbas. swing, full reversal of israeli policy -- >> we have to break but we are going to come back to the discussion with you. we want to also ask you about that moment in 1982, when you crossed lines and you were the first israeli yasser arafat government, when you met -- first israeli yasser arafat ever met. irgunarted in the ea when he was a teenager, left and they're concerned about terrorist activity, ultimately founded one of the first peace groups in israel. he was a member of the knesset and met with yasser arafat. we will talk all about that when we come back. ,"re on "democracy now! democracy now dot org, the war and peace report. amy goodman come here with juan gonzalez. >> as a youth, our guest joined paramilitary group, which he quit to become a leading peace activist in israel. in 1950 he founded a news magazine and 15 years later he was elected to the knesset on a

>> well, we have one united palestinian delegation appointed by president abbas.s led by one of the plo leaders. but it has all the factions, fatah, hamas, jihad, everybody. they are united, their determination, to have an extended cease-fire which will last for a very long time, and they are all in agreement that at the end of this cease-fire, the israelis should stop the siege of gaza, allow palestinian fishermen to fish in their own seawater and peasants and farmers to grow their fields that are close to the israeli borders and that the people of gaza will have a decent life that is safe and allows them access and travel and real freedom. there's also an agreement that those prisoners which were released by the israelis in the shalit exchange and then were re-arrested by israel should be released, together with the prisoners that should have been released with abuse mazen's agreement with mr. kerry. now, if these are done, we hope that this will lead to a quick reconstruction of gaza and a step forward to hopefully go back to the political settlement. that will

but the second, he seems to think he can split abbas from hamas. i'm speaking of mahmoud abbas, president of the palestinian authority there in the west bank. do you think that's possible? >> i wouldn't put it that way. what i think is possible and necessary is for abbas as you call him, the leader of the palestinian authority and head of the plo, to take responsibility in gaza. and it's important to bear in mind that before this war broke out, hamas and abbas' party joined in a reconciliation pact that led to the establishment of a palestinian authority government that was supposed to take responsibility in gaza. the hamas ministers in gaza resigned for that purpose. so within palestinian politics, legitimacy exists for him to take control in gaza. that's a very necessary thing to get behind, to have the humanitarian assistance and reconstruction go through the palestinian authority, do have the palestinian authority take control of the passages and hopefully over time to be able to establish its control there. >> all right. martin indyk, now at b

you have here the palestinian authority led by prime minister abbas coming. they'll be sitting at the table with the israelis. hamas, all the other palestinian faction also be in cairo, and there will be those kind of side talks. but the palestinians will be the one negotiating. and the hope is, again, that this could extend that ceasefire and get those talks going on some of the real humanitarian issues that are surrounding gaza right now and on the israeli side, dealing with the ultimate issue of demilitarizing hamas. >> elise labott, appreciate it. let's go to gaza city where explosions have been mixing with the early morning calls to prayer. john vause is there for us. what have you been seeing and hearing? >> well, anderson, just moments ago, yet another flare lit up the night sky just to the south of here. that's been happening off and on for the last couple hours which fits in with what else we've been hearing from here, which is automatic weapons fire. sometimes those flares are used for air strikes. but sometimes they're also used to light up a part

mahmoud abbas came to power with two objectives. one was to unify all palestinian factions and bring them under one umbrella of the plo, which arafat had neglected to do. you have free agent groups outside the context of the plo. he had the foresight to understand this was a bad idea. 2005, cairo declaration, the first intra-palestinian agreement to bring one set of political decision-making, which is essential to any nation or government. his second goal was to reach a conflict ending deal with israel. both of those were dashed. they are interconnected. yes, palestinians have agency. there have been a number of decisions that are highly questionable by both the palestinian authority and by hamas. one of which is firing rockets when you know the response that is going to come. from hamas' standpoint, they are dead either way. rather than go quietly into the night, they might as well go out with a bang. this is how i interpret their rationale. they at least were able to reassert their relevance -- cynical, terrible, yes. on the other

mahmood abbas--excuse me jumping in here--he wants to resume these talks? >> machoomahmood abbas, he wants to resume the talksish and we asked him--we went to cairo yesterday, that we want to, but without answe an negotiation we now wait for the answer. if they didn't answer the question what kind of talk we can prepare what is the question you need answered, and i'm intrigued to know what you'll be talking about that will be different this time. the longer it takes, obviously, more people die on both sides. >> yes, i know. but we submit the paper to the egyptians and the israelis receive the paper, and they told us they're going to answer that paper, and until now we didn't receive any answer from them. >> what was o on the paper. >> yes, talking about cease-fire and all the gates should open, and all the goods and right for the people to go in and out of gaza strip, and we want two things. the airport and sea port negotiation, and what happened at west bank after the last two months, those questions we ask for later on and they should answer for. >> so as

line for a moment because we will take a quick look at what press -- palestinian president mahmoud abbas had to say. he may play a role in any new border deal for gaza. >> we hope that this cease-fire will be respected so it is possible to revive for the needs of our family and gaza. to be able to deliver them the necessary food and medical supplies and begin rebuilding what the attacks that destroyed. i appeal to the international community and to the united nations to provide all those materials as soon as possible. >> palestinian president mahmoud abbas, mentioning rebuilding their. -- there. we have seen almost continuous war since july. what do gazans need now? >> there are many things that are needed. the destruction is tremendous. whole neighborhoods destroyed, especially the east and northern parts of the outskirts of gaza city. there is an estimate of 18,000 houses have been destroyed and people have nowhere to go to and do not know how to rebuild. the rebuilding issue is very important and that construction material is needed, but the border is controlled by israel. there needs

under the leadership of president mahmoud abbas, if we empower this government we will be able to move gradually from the situation of confrontation and fighting into the situation of lifting this tragedy and blockade against our people in gaza. it is a tramming di that has -- tragedy that has prompted protest over the world, including this one, a large demonstration in protest of the rising civilian casualties in gaza. >>> well, some parts of gaza are quiet, but israeli bombardment continues in rafah and other areas. israel's offensive entered its 28th day, and the human cost continues to rise. 64 israeli soldiers have been killed, along with three civilians, one a thai national. a number of fatalities is higher. 1,817 men, women and children have been killed. 80% are civilians. more than 9,400 gazans have been injured, including 2,700 children. more than a quarter of a million people are taking refuge in u.n. shelters. >> now, activists say syrian government forces have attacked several areas near the capital, killing dozens of people. on the outskirts of damascus, they were hardest

please welcome to the program hassan abbas. hello, sir. nice to see you again. thank you for joining us. >> thank you very much. >> jon: thank you for being here. the book is called "the taliban revival." i think it must have obviously been printed in error because i'm pretty sure we took care of these guys. i'm pretty sure we went to afghanistan. so they're actually done now. they're actually gone. >> we thought so. that was what we thought should have happened, but that's not the story. we thought that after the 9/11 tragedy and the way our forces went in that we would go and just through bombing and just through military kinetic action, which was important, but there was more space that they had gained. they had more power, and they had more ideas that we never thought would be there. >> jon: but we also... you know, we spent an awful lot of time in a sort of hearts and minds, nation-building mode, as well. i mean, in afghanistan, in iraq, ten years, 12 years, 14 years, billions of dollars. has that been for nought? >> no. that was a very important contributi

they are not committed to violence and it's good that president abbas has not committed to violence. granted, take that for but for abbas to be a peace partner, they have to accept israel's right to exist. they don't. they say they never will. willterror organization just arm itself in order to achieve that goal. looking at the negotiations, john kerry was in paris negotiating with the foreign ministers of qatar and turkey. david ignatius was critical for trying to negotiate with qatar .nstead of egypt do you agree with david ignatius on that? do you think you should talk to somebody who talks to hamas? an issue in actually achieving the cease-fire because the relationship between the egyptian government and hamas is not the same that it was. qatar arerkey nor positive influences in our region. everyone should know that the egyptian cease-fire proposal is the only deal in town. hamask they should push into accepting that cease-fire. they are obviously under enormous clinical, economic, military pressure but there is only one route -- except the egyptian proposal and try to find a way

president abbas says that united palestinian delegation will be traveling to cairo tomorrow. what will they be doing there? >> well, we presume that the international community and egypt and the united states will still its best to rescue this ceasefire, and therefore, we -- our delegation, which includes five hamas participants would be ready in egypt to talk about what is required immediately after that's fire, i.e., opening up gaza, ending the siege of gaza, releasing prisoners and so on. so as the people of gaza are resisting steadfastly, the delegation will be in cairo as an absolute show in reality of willingness to go through the ceasefire. >> how much of a set back to any negotiating process that you play enter into is the capture of an israeli soldier today? >> well, hamas have not as of yet admitted there is a captured israeli soldier, but we know what the israelis are doing that cannot be hidden. they are just bombarding gaza, north and south. they are killing at least 100 people today, and they are destroying homes as they go, and mr. netenyahu was prepared for th

this is the perfect opportunity for netanyahu and abbas to sit down.e solution. hamas is isis without the idf. without the israeli defense forces in egypt. hamas would do the same thing isis does. it is hard to negotiate with isis or hamas. the united states is not negotiating with isis. it is helping the kurds to try to defeat them military. i think they are sitting down from a position of strength and negotiating a two-state solution would be a very good outcome. >> rula jebreal, go ahead. >> two things, there is no blockade. it is like saying there is no global warming. it is delusion. even though the united states government recognized the blockade as part of the occupation. gaza is an open air with 1.8 million people living in isolation and poverty. another thing, we need a political solution to the issue, but it has to come hand by hand. demilitarization. we have an opportunity. i don't see this opportunity seized by netanyahu who is going out and saying there is no circumstance i will accept a palestinian state. i think israel leadership has to