(audience laughs) - andrew died. - before andrew breitbart, before andrew breitbart died. i'm sorry, governor perry is happily alive and well. wearing very cool glasses as we speak. no, but andrew breitbart was a good guy, he was certainly a bomb-thrower but since andrew breitbart died, breitbart.com was taken over by steve bannon and that's wheit became populist, nationalist, angry, it would go after people like marco rubio and paul ryan, they did something, people forget about this but they did something that was really sort of horrific to marco rubio. during the immigration reform bill that rubio was championing, there was a provision in there that, was championing, there was a provision in there that, well i'll put it to you this way. breitbart put out a story saying that, they called them marco phones and the story was that marco rubio wanted to give illegal immigrants free cell phones. and you know the old line, a lie is halfway around the world before the truth gets its pants on, it took people awhile to figure out what are they talking about? there was a provision

might be a bit overwritten, if you remember andrew breitbart you understand his style. so where does that leave us? so is what trump is doing good? the press are still a vital institution. we need transparency and accountability among our leaders. the press of the institution in america best positioned to do that. they have not been doing that. i don't know where the war goes. what should have happened after 2016 should've been apologies for how they treated trump voters. there should have been a realization that their narrative setting propaganda was not good for discourse. they should've hired from outside of their tiny bubble. instead, a part from a few mea culpas here and there, the media reinforce their problem. instead of firing their worst reporters they promoted them or hired them away. they did not make any structural changes. so this is the problem we face and challenge before us. the implosion of media credibility is a crisis. the ones you need to fix it are unwilling or unable and the health of the republic is at stake. on that cheery note, i am happy to tak

it might be a bit over it but f a member andrew breitbart you understand hsiao. where does that leave us? is what trump doing good? press are still a vital institution. we need transparency and accountability among our leaders and the press are the institution in america best position to do that. they haven't been doing that. i don't know where this war goes. what it should happen after 2016 was apology for me allister ported to cover the election and have it treated trump voters. there should've been a realization their narrative setting agenda pushing propaganda was not conducive to civil discourse. they should've stuck to fax and the spin event or torturing fax into unrecognizable characters. should've hired from outside other tiny bubble. instead apart from a few here and there the media reinforced the problems. instead of filing their worst reporters, they promoted in or hired them away. they didn't make any structural changes. so this i this is a problem we n challenge before us. the implosion is a crisis. the ones we need to fix it are unwilling or unable

we owe this to lots of people from early icons to renegades like andrew breitbart and weird shows like redeye. you might've heard of it. of course, you have to owe it to donald trump didn't give a damn what people thought and therefore made it possible for the right to do the same. we should also think cnn because without them we would have something to laugh at. let's welcome tonight guests. he's so bright, moths flutter around her head, former white house national security adviser jillian turner. he's so funny that banana peel slip on him for an actor, writer, she so clinical or cynical it's clinical, read that in reverse. cohost of the special kat. i'm. >> i'm big and amass a psychic. greg: tyrus. jamie, isn't it weird to have a president who is part of the wwe? >> it is weird but this is a fact when i realized that i had not known it. i felt smarter. when you don't know that's what i don't keep up with the kardashians. so i feel smarter because of it. greg: who is winning in this media war? >> i'll have to say cnn is making too many mistakes in the file trump is winning. especially

filmmakers, consumed with this idea that if i can learn these skills and harness this power that andrew breitbarti can shape the world in a direction that will advance my political goals. charlie: his political goals were? josh: they have always been the same. to push for a kind of hard right populist nationalism. from orthodoxinct movement conservatism. his critique of that kind of conservatism is that it is globalist. his great pejorative phrase. that it serves the interests of a global financial class that is more interested in making money and sort of erasing national borders, tearing down cultural identities than it is serving the ordinary working-class blue-collar people that bannon thinks is the backbone of the country and ought to be at the center of our politics. bannon's prescription for doing that is to tear down the mobile free trade system. to close america's borders. ,o deport people here illegally and curb illegal immigration. is this different from what pat buchanan argued way back when? josh: i talked to bannon about this months ago. isn't he or forbear or? -- forbearer? yes and

andrew breitbart said politics flows downstream from culture but if you have a polluted river that'sit's no mystery that the democratic party is in shambles and radioactivive. they have no -- radioactive. their message is to be protesters in state caps. that's their message. summed up in moore's tweet. it's not better trade deals like president trump, it's to be agitators and the american people don't want that, that's why they lose at the ballot box and they continue to do so. >> kimberly: speaking of agitators how about the horrific behavior from no-talent kathy griffin showing the decapitated head of president trump, horrible behavior on her part. what do you think about the reaction and the fallout from that, larry? >> kimberly, what's wild about it is donald trump is a populist. he's a centrist. this is the first cannot president coming into office to say that same-sex marriage was settled law. his daughter ivanka won several weeks of paid maternity leave. during the debate when donald trump was asked to name three most important functions of government said national security wh

ronald reagan that brought him into the orbit of a group of los angeles conservatives led by andrew breitbarte late conservative publisher and provocateur. bannon became infatuated. his ability and his power to control the media narrative to help shape stories and what kind of news was covered. and i think the thing bannon admired most about breitbart was that he was an apprentice with tha matt grudge. he seems to have an ability to see stories and shape them in the mainstream media. was enamored by the fascist propaganda filmmakers in the 1930's and 1940's, was consumed with this idea that if i can learn these skills, if i can harness the power that and arrew breitbart has, i can shape the world in a direction that will advance my political goals. charlie: his political goals were? josh: they have always been the same. to push for a kind of hard right populist nationalism. very much distinct from orthodox movement conservatism. bannon's critique from that kind of conservatism is globalist, that it serves the interest of global, financial class that is more interested in making money and sort

and 40's was consumed with the idea if i can learn these skills and harness this power that andrew breitbart has, i can shape the world in a direction that will advance my political goal. >> rose: the political goal then was judicial his political goal has always been the same. if you push for a kind of hard right populist nationalism that is very much distinct from ordinary orthodox movement conservatism. bannon critique it's globe es, his great peryourive phrase, it serves the interest of the global financial class that is more interested in making money and sort of erasing national borders, tearing down cultural identities than it is in serving the kind of ordinary working class blue collar people that bannon thinks is a backbone of the country and ought to be at the center of our politics. and bannon's prescription for how to do is essentially to tear down the global free trade system, to close america's borders, to deport people who are here illegally. and to curb legal immigration as a way of privileging american citizens and reasserting a kind of cultural identity. >> rose: is this di

eventually became a conservative documentarian, a conservative filmmaker which brought him to andrew breitbarttive republican, and he ended up taking over breitbart news when breitbart died. >> his world view became this sort of america first, anti-global, anti kind of -- is it fair to say anti-other? >> absolutely fair to say of the bannon had always had these nationalist, populist politics and a real anger, i think, at liberal secular culture. what breitbart did was try to start a small publication that would fight back against the media. bannon took that over and really used it as a vehicle to push his ideas into national politics and elevate politicians like donald trump who he thought could carry that message for him. >> let's talk about that, because you also say bannon had been looking for basically a ve vessel and he had worked with sarah palin, sarah bachmann, jeff sessions, but not until he found donald trump was it sort of a match made in bannon heaven. what was it about donald trump that allowed this symmetry to happen? >> what it was was trump's great personal force. bannon was in

bannon was able to grow this especially after andrew breitbart's death, grow this into a mini army that overtook cpac and part of why trump was so successful with red hats and walls that a movement got behind. >> are we not going to talk about the fact what that breitbart crowd is, basically neo-nazis and the like? we're not going to bring that up. am i the only person who looked at that interview and thought this is hilarious. the i don't know way they can get this man to focus, it's kind of shady. the only way they can get him to focus is give him a four-letter word. say wall and talk about immigration. this is a problem he's having with every part of his agenda. he doesn't understand it. he didn't have a health care plan. he kept talking about it for two years on the campaign trail. he didn't have one and didn't understand what was in the one that was being voted on. that's why he couldn't make the case. that's why he refused to try. he does not understand policy. therefore, bannon is the only person who understands some sort of policy. >> the idea that they agree on things, i mean,

andrew mccabe now being joined by conservative media, by republicans in congress. and now tonight a conservative news source, one that's own by sinclair broadcasting, emerging as a breitbart, they are reporting as to night that a third person on this list, the fbi general counsel, another one of these senior officials on this very short list, this right wing media outlet, reporting tonight that fbi general counsel james baker is under a department of justice criminal investigation. saying that he leaked national security information. now we have no way of know fg that reporting is true. the fbi wouldn't comment to us about it, the doj wouldn't comment to us about it. our efforts to do our own reporting about this were not met with me confirmation one way or the other. it is possible that the front page of this protrump media conservative outlet looking like this tonight, exclusive top fbi lawyer allegedly under investigation for leaking classified information. and a picture of him. it's possible that the front pa page looking like this is designed to make the fbi general counsel think he's under investigation or that the news outlet is right and they've got a source in je

andrew mccabe now being joined by conservative media, by republicans in congress. and now tonight, a conservative news source, one that's owned by sinclair broadcasting, which is emerging as kind of the successor to breitbart news to the trump media outlet on the right, they're reporting as of tonight that a third person on this list, the fbi general counsel, another one of these senior officials on this very short list, this right-wing media outlet circa is reporting tonight that, quote, fbi general counsel james a. baker is purportedly under a justice department criminal investigation. saying that he leaked national security information. now, we have no way of knowing if that reporting is true. the fbi wouldn't comment to us about it. the doj wouldn't comment to us about it. our efforts to do our own reporting about this were not met with any confirmation one way or the other. it is possible that the front page of this pro-trump conservative media outlet looking like this tonight, exclusive top fbi lawyer, allegedly under investigation for leaking classified information. the picture of him and everything. it's possible that the front page of circa looking like this tonight is just a brushback, designed t

sessions replace andrew mccabe, a comey friend in charge of clinton investigation, et cetera, et cetera. at some point does the breitbarte annoyed with donald trump's attacks on sessions? >> i think that they are already there. they are already annoyed. i hence you saw some of the stories they put up throughout the week as trump continues his assail against jeff session and this is one of the more consequenceal things that happened this week and for the first final all of the commentators and platforms have bent over backwards trying to defend thein defensible from donald trump and in a position where they had to criticize donald trump. and that is the first time this happened in the presidency and jeff sessions is a revered figure in the conservative movement and there long before donald trump was contemplating public office and one of the people steve bannon tried to recruit for president and that is how much they care about sessions and idolize him and make him that huge fixture in their movement and to have this happen to someone that was there so early on, when jeff sessions endorsed donald trump, bright bort wrote