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and msnbc legal analyst andrew wiseman is still with us in our discussion.ing to hear tomorrow? >> i think we'll hear exactly what you're talking about, lawrence. this notion that trump has of the imperial presidency, that lasts not just while he's in office but afterwards, and would reach these really ridiculous results. for instance, the president could take the nations classified sequence and, purely through the magical device of saying that they're now his personal papers, would be able to walk away from the white house with them without facing any criminal consequences. that's the caliber of argument that we should be prepared for tomorrow. >> andrew wiseman, of course, the most important voice in the room will be judge cannon. always on the edge of our seats, wondering what she's going to say, what position she's going to take next. >> yes. so, i am going to be listening for reversible error. this is a judge who has shown that she is not terribly experienced at these issues, and she has certainly made rulings that have gotten her into a heap of trouble

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the proverbial can has been kicked down the proverbial road back with me now is andrew wiseman. reading that right? that this is eileen cannon just punting on this call and what does that practically mean? >> i think you're absolutely right and i think it is important that people not say that oh, she ruled for the government. this is the worst possible decision for the government that she made today and like why? so if she had said to the government, you know, you win i will see if that is great for the government, it means she thinks it's right and what would happen is trump convicted, he could appeal that. if she had said to the government, you lose, the government gets to appeal that. and go to the 11th circuit. that is the 11th circuit were judge canada has not been reversed not want but twice, what she is trying to do is avoid, at all cost doing anything that allows the government to go up to the 11th circuit because what can they do? they can remove her. so this is saying, oh, i think there are serious issues that donald trump is raising and i think this is really a matter

joining us now, melissa murray and andrew wiseman.me tonight. so, this is such a great work tool for me. i have each one of these indictments in different files. we need a plan, where is it? >> that's why we wrote it. >> for everyone who works with this is just incredible. my intention when we get into the first trial, when they present this first prosecution is to constantly be referring to the indictment in here. there are these passages that are half a paragraph that don't mean very much, and suddenly, well, there are three witnesses filling that up and now i get it. >> no, i mean, the whole reason we wrote this book is because, one, these documents are available and we understand americans are interested in them and they don't practicing constitutional law who wonder what this is actually about. we collected all of them secret have them in one place and we do what we do as law professors. it is very heavily annotated. we have long and lengthy introductions and contextualize what is going on and we put these historic events, these

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. >> i am andrew wiseman. good night. am andrew wiseman. good night. >>> a good evening once again. i am stephanie ruhle. we are now 200 85 days away from the election and you are in luck. tonight we have a very special nightcap we are going to get to in just a moment featuring an amazing lineup of student journalists. first, we have to break down some news of the day, starting with fulton county da willis. she will remain on the trump georgia election interference case. today a judge ruled that she could stay if nathan wade, a special prosecutor willis had a relationship with, stepped down. hours after the decision by the judge wade did in fact just that. here is my colleague, blaine alexander, with more. >> reporter: he was front and center when willis announced her criminal indictment of donald trump. tonight, nathan wade, the man leading the prosecution against the former president for allegedly trying to overturn george's election results has resigned. the culmination of a month-long spectacle after one of trump's codefendants, michael roman, exposed a romantic relationship bet

andrew wiseman thank you for starting off the discussion tonight. as his first criminal trial approaches, you can now listen to the key experts of that indictment read by glenn close. >> on the hush money payments, the defendant, donald j trump repeatedly falsified new york business records to conceal criminal conduct and voting information from the public during the 2016 election. one component of this scheme was at the defendant's request, a lawyer that worked for the trump organization covertly paid $130,000 to an adult film actress shortly before the election to prevent her from publicizing a sexual encounter with the defendant. >> the special two-part trump indictment addition covering all four indictments is available now wherever you get your podcasts. coming up, what is going to happen on monday? where is lakisha james going to send the sheriff? literally, send the sheriff, to begin collecting from donald trump. that is next. voya, well planned, well invested, well protected. (ella) fashion moves fast. voya, well planned, setting trends is o

for anyone out there who has not heard enough from andrew wiseman tonight, he is coming up here. as you know, there is so much to cover in tonight's defendant trump news from new york to florida. andrew will join us for that. >> i wanted to keep him on for the whole hour so i'm glad he is yours. >> i know the feeling. i know it very well. >> have a good show. >>> breaking news tonight, federal judge gannon who was appointed by donald trump, denied a motion to dismiss the criminal case filed by jack smith alleging donald trump violated the espionage act by releasing documents after leaving the presidency. jack smith and donald trump were both in the front room of the courtroom while the judge heard arguments from both sides on the motion to dismiss. donald trump did not have to be there. he was there. in the front row. he was dangling the supreme court nomination in front of his trial judge. judge cannon knows that her future as a trump appointee to the united states supreme court depends on how she handles this case and what voters do on election day. so far she has been handling

andrew wiseman, thank you for starting off our discussion tonight. >>> on a podcast note, as trump'sirst criminal trial in manhattan begins, you can now listen to the key excerpts of that indictment read by tony, emmy award winner, glenn close. >> on the hush money payments, the defendant, donald j trump, repeatedly and fraudulently falsified new york business records to conceal criminal conduct that hit damaging information from the voting public during the 2016 presidential election. one component of the scheme was that, at the defendant's request, a lawyer who then worked for the trump organization as special counsel to defendant, lawyer a, covertly paid $130,000 to an adult film actress shortly before the election to prevent her from publicizing a sexual encounter with the defendant. >> the special two-part trump indictments addition of the prosecuting donald trump podcast covering all four of the indictments read by stars is available now wherever you get your podcasts. >>> coming up, what is going to happen on monday? where is attorney general letitia james going to send the sh

i am andrew wiseman, and i am melissa murray. there are just 17 days until donald trump goes on trial in manhattan on 34 criminal charges related to 26 campaign scam to purchase adult film star stormy daniels silence, so she would not talk about an alleged encounter she had with trump shortly after his youngest child was born. with the pressure of the trial looming, donald trump has spent the last three days escalating his attacks on new york judge juan merchan who will preside over the upcoming criminal trial. these new attacks aren't limited to judge juan merchan, but also include the judges daughter, who trump attacked by name yesterday on social media. >> all of this is part of a pattern. donald trump's attacks on juan merchan's family echo previous attacks you made against both the wife and law clerk of arthur, the judge in the civil fraud case against trump point now, donald trump is under a gag order in the criminal case, as he was in the new york civil case and the d.c. january 6th criminal case. tonight, the district att

. >> john, there's been reporting> -- andrew wiseman's that it -- that he can see divisions within donald trump's defense team. donald trump once asked you to represent him. it wasn't something you wanted to do. what you take is happening with his team? >> some of his lead lawyers are very good lawyers. >> you said now. >> i did. i'm glad you stopped me. i'm not going to say any further about that, because fu it's foolish. but donald trump, in this case, in any white-collar case, it's a question of intent. there's no doubt the payments were made, and the people, the government, has to prove his criminal intent. let me say summing about michael cohen. if the jury finds michael cohen is not telling the truth, donald trump will be found not guilty. and my former officers, which i'm very proud, some of the ro best arguers in the district office, they passed on this case. not only under bill barr, but under the current justice department. and when michael cohen was sentenced by the sentencing memo that he pled guilty to four serious crimes. lying to congress, lying to banks, and tax evasion. a

andrew wiseman has thoughts particularly in the wake of the attacks against judge mercan patients daughter. he warned that jail will result from threatening anyone while out on bail. and three, in force, which means the foundation of the rule of law. i'm skeptical. because this is what accountability is supposed to look like. i'm skeptical. he has yet to meet this kind of accountability yet. >> symone, part of what we are seeing happen here is there are some folks trying to protect the institutions of our system. and the institutions of our system worry about things like balance and fairness and not going too far and not violating people's first amendment rights. and those are critically important to our democracy. then we have donald trump and those that support him. and i want to reinforce that those who support him, because a big part of him getting away with this is we have people elected for office. we have people that are very wealthy and powerful. we have people that control social media platforms who are all in. and that means that it creates an environment where you have some folk

andrew wiseman, as we close in on monday, what will you be looking for, on monday? >> the trial date. you know, looking at the papers, leaving aside one caveat, which is that one of donald trump lawyers is really a superb ethical lawyer, so you never want to count her out, i will be interested in seeing what susan has to say, the arguments she makes, but having read the papers on both sides, this really looks like it is a minor kerfuffle, i think the judge will be focused on, is there anything there that is going to take more than the 30 days that he is granted, and whether the judge will stick with, essentially, this trial starting on, ironically, given your opening and what you talked about, april 15th. but, i sort of expect that we will get a trial date that is, if not that date, shortly thereafter. >> tim o'brien, in the civil case, now, which enters this new zone of the $454 million collection period , we get the feeling from the outside, you have dealt with donald trump up close, he sued you for telling the truth about how rich he wasn't, you one, of course, y

.>> andrew wiseman, you wrote a piece, what we should expect on monday, you say that on march 25th, lookw that he asked for exculpatory and impeachment information, had turned over what he had been given, and not been working hand-in-hand with the fbi. you wrote this i think a little over a week ago, so is that what you are still looking for, what we should expect by tomorrow? and are we going to get any resolution tomorrow on any of this? >> starting with maybe the last point, that is the most interesting, are we going to get a definitive answer on the trial date. remember, the judge had said that he was getting 30 days to both sides from the date of his order, so that is 20 days from tomorrow. so, that gets us to the 15th, as the earliest it can start, which is ironic, given all of his financial issues. i do think, there's no guarantees, but i do think that tomorrow the judge will make a decision on whether that is the date that it is going to start. and i think the key issue for the judge is going to be looking at the defense and saying, tell me what is new and material in the informa

donald trump would be if he tried to testify in his own defense at his first criminal trial, which andrew wisemanll begin in april or possibly at the latest, in may. at that moment, at 10:17, donald trump posted on his social media network, "abuse of power!" that is how donald trump's friday night is going. the biden harris presidential campaign has a massive financial advantage over the trump campaign for two reasons. one, the biden harris campaign is setting records for fundraising and, the trump campaign and the republican party are spending massive amounts of money to pay for donald trump's lawyers, whom he presumably cannot afford to pay himself. ignored by the media, in that transaction, of paying for donald trump's lawyers, are the legalities involved in using campaign money to pay for criminal defense lawyers and the possible income tax implications to donald trump who is, in effect, receiving those millions of dollars first as income to him, which he then disperses to his lawyers when they give him their bills. joining us now is daniel shapiro, professor of taxation at new york universit

andrew wiseman will join us in a moment to discuss that process. that means the next few days and of the coming weekend will be the most financially desperate days of donald trump's life so far, with sure the many more such desperate financial days to come. today, a group called the national security action, which was cofounded by president obama's deputy national security advisor ben rhodes issued a white paper describing the security risk that donald trump's financial situation now poses . national security professionals have long maintained that large personal debts isn't a significant counterintelligence risk for those with access to classified information, notably donald trump's debts rise far above what security and counter intelligence officials find concerning foremost government servants, let alone a commander in chief. his debts are hardly the only source of concern. his well-established track record of recklessly sharing classified information and use of the presidential office for personal gain demonstrates his willingness to prioritize

joining our discussion now, the former assistant attorney general for new york state, and andrew wisemanh us. it is very common, especially the bigger the judgment, the more likely it is, that the judgment will be reduced. this is an indication that possibly the appeals court might have in mind in the end, possibly a lower judgment? or not? >> yeah, we don't know the answer to that. this is where there are things that trump won on, things that trump lost on. certainly the schedule that was set for hearing the appeal. it is much faster than normal. the fact that there will be these two sort of overseers and monitors that are in place even during the appeal. that is obviously a good thing. but my disappointment in this ruling has nothing to do with the merits of it. it has to do with the fact that there was no explanation by the court as to why it was doing what it was doing. i just think in this age, where we are seeing donald trump and so many other people attacked the judiciary, it is so in mid -- incumbent on them to give their reasoning. it is so easy for them to be cynical, and think

that is our show for tonight, a special edition of last word: defendant trump, co- hosted by andrew wiseman

joining me is our in-house law firm, neal and the former acting general andrew wiseman. the former council of the fbi. also the co-author of a brand- new best-selling book, the trump indictment. the historic documents of commentary. okay, andrew i want to start with something you tweeted. trump made someone like elon musk cosigning the trump bond so the bank is comfortable being on the hook for the judgment. same could happen for the bond with the $450 million adjustment. can you explain what that means and how that works and what you think is happening here. >> sure, listening to the first segment about whether donald trump will be successful in running as an outsider, this is an example of his running as an outsider but as an outlaw. and not stress the criminal cases but you have the civil cases where he has judgments. he has two up to $91 million in the e. jean carroll case and 400 million in the new york fraud case. the concern in the civil cases, civil judgment, is who is the candidate the holden to? is he somebody who is going to be making policy and being different

joining me now, andrew wiseman and melissa murray. together they are the authors of the brand new number one, not bad, guy, "new york times" best seller, the trump indictments: the historic charging documents with commentary. congratulations on this. >> thank you. >> it's not the holidays, but it's not too early to buy copies for every person in your family. we'll talk about that in a second. i first, andrew, have to get your opinion on what's happened here in the new york hush money case. because on the outside, yes, i understand trump's doing everything he can to delay, but what's going on here with the department of justice and their ability to get the d.a. and the defendants the documents they need in a timely fashion. >> self-inflicted wound. doesn't look good, especially when we're about to get a decision on d.a. fani willis. even if there's a decision not to disqualify her, the combination looks really poor. at the very least, this is a massive screw up on the southern district of new york prosecutors. i mean, really poor judge

former fbi counsel andrew wiseman making this very point on the beat on friday. >> the issue is is he going to be beholden to somebody? we know somehow he got a bond from chubb. i'm interested in knowing did somebody for instance have to cosign was there somebody there some individual there who he is beholden to? >> joining me is neil peterson the owner of the new york-based surety bond agency peterson and sons kristi greenberg is back with us. i want to start with you because from a legal standpoint in criminal cases for example there is something called a never your requirement. if it is a case that involves drugs or money laundering etc. sometimes there is a requirement for a criminal defendant to have to show that the bond proceeds came from clean money. but we don't have that in this instance and the civil case. we don't have that for purposes of in a surety bond. how concerned should anyone be including the court perhaps as to whether or not the terms of this bond need to be transparent for everyone to know about? >> well i think one thing i thought was interesting was today was

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our legal analyst and former prosecutor, i andrew wiseman. judges decision ? >> i don't want the propaganda. danny, bonnie willis can say whatever she wants to say in church and whatever she wants to say and press conferences. she stepped over one line after another and it looks like the judge called her out on it and said she could continue in the case. >> both sides win in both sides of lou's. in the sense that the defense motion is granted but technically. it was barely granted. the das office will stay on the case. there will be a sacrifice to the gods of justice and the das justice will say and wade will be out. that is the choice. in that sense the motion was granted. it will have procedural impact on the team because i lost a major prosecutor . overall, it is barely a win for the defense but barely a wind for the das office. the judge will allow them to stay on the case but he hardly consider this a glowing endorsement of the das conduct. use words like the odor of mendacity or the appearance of impropriety. lots of language that was v

that's where we start with andrew wiseman, plus charlie sykes and with me at the table msnbc host andnalyst katie fang. andrew, you have letitia james calling trump's bluff. she also seems to be pointing to something you have said, which is that something here does not add up. quote, defendants assert they're unable to post a bond because their assets are tied up in real property rather than cash or liquid securities. the use of real estate is hardly impossible as a general matter. though defendants acknowledge it's possible to use a letter of credit to obtain a bond, they do not explain why a bank wouldn't accept real property to finance the letter of credit. what is it, andrew, that she's driving at here? >> i think this is something i was saying that just doesn't make any sense at all. donald trump was saying, i don't have enough cash and with respect to the real property, there are companies not willing to take real property as collateral to give me a bond. the reason that tish james is saying it doesn't make sense is, one, fine, go ahead and post real property in court. the court

so here's how former federal prosecutor andrew wiseman reacted to trump's comments. >> it actually isnd the judges family. this is where, as a matter of grace, the judges have not imposed the gag order as to themselves. and judges bend over backwards. it will be interesting to see whether the judge does expand on it. it's just donald trump. more of the same. it is really important not to just normalize this. i mean, people talk about predicting what a trump 2.0 administration would be and should be really think he's going to be a dictator? my response to that is, you can look right now at what he is doing and saying. and for people who are fair- minded, i would say, what do you say about someone who attacks the daughter of a judge? i mean, is there no depth to what he will not descend? it is so important to not get immune to what this is. >> the courts allow it. they really do. i will say it again, practicing law for a while -- i practiced law when i was younger -- if anybody -- if a defendant, a lawyer, if anybody said something like this about a judge or a judges family member, they

start today with "new york times" investigative reporter and msnbc contributor suzanne craig, and andrew wiseman, and former senator and co-host of msnbc's "how to win 2024" podcast, claire mccaskill. i would like you to walk us through why he needed to post this in the first place. >> the way it works, if you have a judgment against you in a court of law, you're excited to appeal it, but within 30 days, that judgment goes into effect so that the plaintiff can be made whole. if you want to avoid that going into effect, you can post with the court either the full amount of money or some kind of bond that a company can give you, and it's a way of saying that money is there if you lose your appeal, so that the plaintiffs are not bearing the risk that the money will not be there. it's just a normal mechanism to make sure the plaintiffs are not the ones that holdle risk here, because they won. so the defendant has to put the money up, and then they go about their appeal. if they don't, you get to enforce the judgment right now, if it turns out you win the appeal, the money gets returned to you, but i

with me at the table, former top official at the department of justice, msnbc legal analyst, andrew wiseman is here. let me start with you, carol. this was jaw-dropping stuff. and kaitlan collins does a masterful job of bringing the witness through all of the parts of the story. obviously, prosecutors pieced together the story with a lot of different witness testimony. and she does a good job for the viewer at plugging it all in. but he's -- he's there for the crime of the hoarding, he's there for the crime of the movieing of the boxes. he's there for the boxes' summer trip to bedminster, which is some of the most riveting stuff. he drove a sprinter truck with a bag and the boxes were moved by someone else, who is now trump's co-defendant, and he's there for the pratt stuff, which is perhaps the most stomach-sinking, gut punch for anyone coming at this story, as i know you do, from the national security perspective. tell me what it was like to sort of hear him in his own words describing the anatomy of the crime? >> i couldn't agree more with you, nicole. like, every time we think, and i kn

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