and they want to take a look at it at the time chris wray looks at it and fires andy mccabe the next day. people assume this has got to be related. steve: but it's not. there were stories that came out andy mccabe was removed from his job due to what's going on with the inspector general. horowitz' report coming thought a month or. so. ainsley: it's all still connected. it's all one big investigation. steve: we understand we have kellyanne back. kellyanne, thank you very much. sorry about the audio problem. since you are out in west virginia. we should ask you a little bit about the republicans' winter retreat out there at the greenbrier. the president got a hero's welcome yesterday from a lot of republicans who about a year or two years ago were not squarely in his camp. >> he did, indeed. i came here with the president and i overnight the because i will address them at breakfast today. i can confirm for you that the members and their families here are very excited to have the president come and address them. the vice president the night before that and why? because he is coming her

that deputy director andy mccabe testified before your committee in december 2016 no surveillance warrant would have been sought from the fisa court without the steele dossier information. is that what he snad. >> yeah. i have heard people say that. it's in the true. the accusations or the sub position that's not what he said. it's not true. i was there for his testimony. i helped to question him. i asked him that specific question. and i can assure you that the response was this fisa application would not have been submitted were it not for the dossier and the other supporting material. which was by the way -- >> hang on. >> a yahoo news report. another news report based on the dossier. those were the two foundational elements for the. >> was there anything else? besides those two documents submitted to the fisa court? >> not really. >> not really or not at all? >> look. there were other sentences. there were some other things. there was no other evidence presented. other than those two things. >> was the evidence about the past investigations of carter page? was that part of the submiss

. >> did andy mccabe said there would have been no warrant without the dossier? >> look, everyone knows the dossier was the basis for getting the warrant. andrew mccabe said but for the dossier, we wouldn't have got the warrant. that's what the memo points out. >> that's not what the memo says. the memo says we would not have sought the warrant without the dossier information. >> yes. >> sought and information. so when you say dossier information, the implication there is it was corroborated by other research. >> yeah, and the memo points out, you know what they used to corroborate was the story by isikoff where steele's the source. so they used the same information presented as a separate piece of information that corroborates the dossier. >> congressman, do you know that's all that was used? >> i don't. i know what the memo says, and i've called for releasing the underlying documents. >> by your agreement -- >> but i trust when trey gowdy went to look at the underlying documents and what they put together, i do trust that. >> he didn't -- >> tray -- [ overlappin

and also, john, what's telling again, they did not quote andy mccabe. in their possession they have andy mccabe's testimony from his transcript. so why didn't they quote him word for word? i think that also is very telling about what they're trying to do here. >> you can't tell me word for word what he said, but you're saying that mccabe did not say it was the only thing used? >> he did not say that. that's patently false. i wish i could, john. they voted to muzzle me and to prevent the public from seeing it. >> do you think it would be illegal in any way to use a dossier to not tell a court where a dossier comes from? do you think there are any legal questions there? are they legally required, do you think, to identify the source of this information? >> they are -- they are supposed to allow the judge, who is, you know, the independent branch of government, to have all the facts available so they can make, in an unbiased way, a determination as to whether probable cause has been met. again, this is not proof beyond a reasonable doubt in front of a jury

andy mccabe, asked to step down. and rod rosenstein. can you tell me about the names of list that was acted upon. he's fired everybody who is investigating a man on his campaign, who was known to counterintelligence officials, a known russian agent. >> it's hair-raising to hear you tick off the names and think about where those people are. that's why we must protect him. also, nicolle, the d.o.j. and the fbi have to do something they're not comfortable doing. that's speaking up. they like to keep their heads down and do the work and stay out of politics. now is not a time to do that. i was so glad to see that christopher wray spoke up to talk about how destructive this would be. others need to do the same. we're going to need bipartisan leadership in congress or we're risking these individuals to protect the president. >> what will democrats do? do you have a plan for the moment you see it flash across your phone that trump has fired rod rosenstein? what will you do? >> i believe that's obstruction of justice. that's grounds for being r

it point out that fbi deputy director andy mccabe, that his characterization in the gop memo is just flatly wrong and mischaracterized. and that the fisa application is mischaracterized. i think the a will walk away seeing new, unseen evidence from our memo. but also the fbi's credibility will bolstered. >> you already tried to get that memo released last week. the republican leaders on the committee said no. what do you think will change that this time? >> now they have the public to answer to, and the public sentiment right now i believe is outrage. outrage that they would trample all over the rule of law, and that they're going to want to see, as i said, the evidence that corrects the record. >> president trump was asked today, what is his reaction to this, would he try to fire deputy attorney general rod rosenstein? and he said, you figure that one out. what do you think that means? >> president trump has shown a willingness clear out of his way anyone who has been a part of this investigation. you thin individuals who no longer at doj or fbi from sally yates to james yocomey, an

>> like andy mccabe, i don't like engaging in hypotheticals. so i want to give one caveat first which is, we don't know the context in which andy mccabe answered that question. we've seen a very one-sided view. it could be the fact that that is a completely misleading account of what he said. and i hope that we'll find out the entire context at some point. but if it did, one of the things -- obviously what they're trying to argue is this was the primary source of information to support that fisa warrant being approved. we don't know that that's true. we don't know the strength of the other sources of information, if any, that they used in this fisa application. although we do know there were some based on previous reporting. and fundamentally because we don't yet know -- they ask you to accept a premise here that because the dossier was funded by the clinton campaign, although not initially funded by the clinton campaign, it didn't in any way be used in this fisa application. and that is simply not true. the fbi gathers information from all sor

was james comey kept from the information by andy mccabe?they are equal to the executive branch and judiciary in terms of that and they are supposed to have this information as necessary in timely basis and not be obstructed. steve: the reason i mentioned your lawsuit against the department of justice, you're saying that the federal government spied on you. the big question, did they go to the fisa court? did they do all of that? you have written a great op-ed at the hill.com, did the fbi violate the woods procedures in vetting the fisa claims. explain what wood procedures are. >> explain in in the big picture what happened to me and other people that haven't been revealed yet. the surveillance abuses we're seeing pattern of 10 to 20 years of bad actors in the intelligence community i've been told by sources have been presenting bad evidence it fisa court but it is never seen. so we don't know that, to obtain illegal warrants or warrants that would not otherwise be granted. there are other surveillance abuses allegedly occurred. i think this

and also what's telling again, they didn't quote andy mccabe. in the possession they have mccabe's testimony. from his transcript. why didn't they quote him word for word? that is it very telling about what they're trying to do. >> you can't tell me word for word what he said? but saying he didn't say it was the only thing yoused. >> he didn't say that. that's false. i wish i could. they voted to muzzle me. and to prevent the public from seeing it. >> would it be illegal in any way to use a dossier to not tell a court where a dossier comes from? any legal questions there? are they legally required to identify the source of the information? >> they're supposed to allow the judge who is the independent branch of government to have all the facts available. so they can make an unbiassed way a determination as to whether probable cause has met. this is not proof beyond a reasonable doubt in front of a jury trial. this is to start an information. through surveillance. so it's a very low standard. and you want the judge to have enough information. and t

andy mccabe apparently testified that but for the memo, they might not have looked into things.y well-known. doesn't muddy the waters, others that the intention in regards to the investigation about rushing collision? by only releasing the republican memo, and i was on the republican memo, and i was on the republican memo, and i was on the republican staff at the house committee a couple of years ago, u nfortu nately, committee a couple of years ago, unfortunately, they open themselves to criticism that it is a politically biased memo. even if you believe there was problems with the fbi and justice department, this memo lacks credibility because they didn't show the other side. that is now the challenges. people will wait to see what the democrats' memo says and what the euro does in terms of response before making a judgment on whether this memo vindicates anyone or anything. particularly given all the facts were well—known ad of time. what is the next step in the investigation into this? robert miller continues as prices in interviewing a number of people in the white house, t

she appears in the notes and calendar of andy mccabe in may of 2016. back a couple weeks you remember that the text from page saying that andy mccabe and strzok or her boyfriend, that the white house wanted to know everything they were doing. so you have see this contact in may. then in august you see that the counter intelligence investigation opened on the trump campaign gets a nickname, they call it latitude. and it's tied back apparently to lisa monaco who has escaped any media inquiry or scrutiny. i think folks should take a long, hard look at contact point between the mccabe, strzok, page secret society. who in the white house was managing that? it appears it's likely it's lisa monaco. david: then there is the case of senator mccain's stand or aide, david kramer. he pled the fifth in front of the intel committee. the point is, a lot of people wanted to keep donald trump out of the white house. most were democrats. some were republicans like senator mccain and his aides. and they used all the power they had to do that. sometimes the question is, a

>> ben tway. >> andy mccabe was asked to step down. if you listen to donald trump jr.'musings on fox news, fired. rods rosenstein, question mark. what does this paint for you in terms of a president for whom there are no guardrails? typically the guardrails inside a west wing would be a white house counsel, don mcgahn would have been involved. i'm not sure from any press accounts what his role was in any of this. but in a normal white house, when comey and mueller and wray all threatened to resign over the bedside intervention with then attorney general ash croft, the white house counsel was involved, the national security advisor was involved. you've heard nothing of don mcgahn or h.r. mcmaster getting involved. where do any of them come down on the release of classified information over the objection of a sitting fbi director? >> well, again, look, it's a remarkable moment. let's look, though -- let's step back to the fundamental question that we are talking around the edges of, which is this. that the man who walked into the house chamber the other night walked in th

did andy mccabe say that to your committee? >> i was in the room when mccabe testified, jim jordan was not and that part of the nunes memo is flat out wrong. that is not what mccabe said. anybody who knows anything about fisa warrants they are r rigorously vetted and presented to a federal judge. a federal judge who is hardly in the business to allow shoddy work to permit a warrant to spy on citizen. that part is outright false. >> what did he say? >> it is true that elements of the steel dossier, and let's take a big step back. >> now it changes. >> nothing changes. difference of elements of and essential to. and still, we don't know what is true and what is false. nobody is saying that everything in it is false. if the fbi was going to present elements of a dossier to a federal judge this would have put it into context. >> is it clear, that the article from april 18 -- >> let me say something. is it essential to tell the court who paid for the document. and my understanding is it might have been four separate judges. and not t

andy mccabe is said to have resigned. the white house said we didn't push him out. he was going to retire. here's what don junior says today. it was good enough to fire mccabe. no one argues it's inaccurate but nowadays later they want to protect the names involved in the scandal that was big enough to fire a senior official a month and a half before retirement. did the white house fire andrew mccabe? >> you know, it's still united nations clear to me how that all went down. they put a lot of pressure on andrew mccabe during this investigation and started to vilify him in the same way that they vilified director comey and others who obviously were part of the intelligence community. >> paul ryan had something to say about this and his deep concern with the civil liberties. take a listen. >> american civil liberties were abused, then that needs to come to light so that that doesn't happen again. what this is not is an indictment on our institutions of our justice system. this memo is not an indictment of the fbi, of the department of justice, it does not impugn the mu

its misleading in its time line, in how it characterize what's andy mccabe said, in how the applicationso misleading in so many omission that's would put it into focus can only be seen by the public if the democratic smoim released. >> let's talk about the andy mccabe thing, now the former deputy director, testified before the house intelligence committee. now the republicans say that he said, quote no, surveillance warrant would have been sought from the fisa court without the steele dossier information. they're paraphrasing. that's not a quote from him. republican members saying that's true and it is on tape. you're saying it is incorrect? >> if they were willing to be so reckless with classified information, why didn't they release the direct quote from his classified testimony? they didn't do it because he didn't say that. it mischaracterizes what he said. >> what did he say? >> well, jake, i'm not going -- two wrongs don't make a right. i'm not going to leak classified information inappropriately but we're asking to release our memo because would it release what he said and what wa

i don't think andy mccabe woke up monday morning and said i'll take add vase from wray and leave thehink he was told you're gone. because of what was read in the memo. >> i don't think -- look. i know you read the memo. here's the thing. you can release this memo. the intelligence community doesn't want to. the justification for why that's okay coming from your side is suspicious. and then you're saying i haven't seen the fisa application. i need to see the facts. why wouldn't you do it the common sense way? i want to know what happened in the fisa application. you cand that outtomorrow. the doj guy said they will come to you. they said they would come to you and explain how they did it and answer any questions that you have. >> they have duress. that doesn't necessary mean if they explain it to us it will be how it was. we have gone through this for a year. >> what if they show you the application? >> the fbi or doj. and they have not been forthcoming. i do think christopher wray is an honorable individual and has an opportunity to put the fwi on the rail again. >> he has grave conc

see i've been told by insiders that comey was basically just used and told what to do by andy mccabe and loretta lynch, that they were really pulling the strings so if loretta lynch is basically telling comey call it a matter not an investigation, do this, say it this way, i'm going to go meet with bill clinton on a tarmac in arizona she's obviously getting the word from her boss who barack obama. >> well i think that's probably true but we don't know that yet which is why i think we have to start with comey and put him under oath and say were you briefing the president or did strzok lie and then bring strzok in and have him testify why didn't you think his briefing the president and also strzok's girlfriend who was part of that conversation. maria: that's right. >> then you have the conversations in andy mccabe's office and remember his wife had gotten i think 700,000 dollars as a democrat being candidate so now you have the deputy director of the fbi and it was in his office that strzok said they had talks about how terrible it would be if trump won. if you put all the pieces up on

andy mccabe, who i know personally, used to work for me when he was a young s.w.a.t. agent, made a statement in a closed session before the committee. the republicans are saying he said that without the dossier they would have not been able to go forward with the fisa application. democrats are saying that's a bald-faced lie. when the democratic memo comes out and we can take a look at it and sift through all this, that is going to be an important and critical factor. >> let me ask you, tom, and i want you to react to what we hear from congressman mike turner who told me just a short time ago that he, again, on the republican house intelligence committee, and supported this memo, he's very convinced that there is something concerning here. listen. >> purpose of this memo, it even has the heading, fisa abuses of the foreign intelligence surveillance act abuses, is to focus on the issue that campaign funded materials from the hillary campaign were used to obtain a fisa warrant against members of the trump campaign who were affiliated with the trump campaign. that's what

those folks are listed in the memo, james comey, sally yates, andy mccabe and none of those people are there any more. rosenstein is there. the president himself when asked basically said, you figure it out whether or not he would -- he still has confidence in rosenstein or thought about firing him. if you just look at the president's record, you would, you know, might conclude that it's a reasonable expectation that he might move to remove rosenste rosenstein. >> that's the difficulty of trying to understand this white house. trump seems to be the only one say this vindicates him. when it comes to firing rod rosenstein, the people who are in the room with trump talking to him about this told me there's a 0.0% chance he's firing him over the memo. future firings may raised to .1%. he understands the consequences of what ship is talking about. and that he's not going to fire rosenstein. you just can't tell exactly where he's coming from on this stuff and when he leaves open a questions about whether his confidence in rod rosenstein it raises these questions. what the white house says ab

>> i was waiting to hear what hillary clinton person would say about the peter strzok news and andy mccabe think it shines a bad light, good light, for the hillary clinton people. robbie said something else that the president has a history of pressuring and removing people who aren't loyal. he's only removed one, right? james comey. he's got a history of talking about getting rid of a lot of other people. sessions, mueller, rosenstein. there is a cnn reporting about the standoff with rod rosenstein where he asks, are you on my team, and what gets me about this, less asked about defwatai about the russia investigation, this is december, after there are already questions about his relationship with comey and with everyone else. >> yeah. so initially you can chalk this up to the president not understanding the divisions between the department of justice and the white house. and it is becoming increasingly clear that the president doesn't care about those historic bright lines. he has looked at this investigation, i think alice said this from the very beginning as an indictment of his own pres

i don't think andy mccabe woke up on monday morning and said, i'm going to take some advice from chris wray and leave my job. >> i don't either. >> i think he was told you're gone because of what was read in the memo -- >> i don't think it was -- look, i know you read the memo, but here's the thing. you're going to release this memo. the intelligence community doesn't want to, and i got to tell you the justification for why that's okay coming from your side is -- is suspicious. and then you're saying, but i haven't seen the fisa application. i need to see the facts. why wouldn't you do it the common sense way? i want to know what happened in the fisa application. you can find that out tomorrow. the doj guys said they will come to you -- >> you think so? >> they said they would come to you and explain how they did it and answer any questions that you have. >> then they have capitulated to duress, but that doesn't necessarily mean if they explain it to us that's going to be how it was. we've gone through this for a year or a year and a half trying to get information out of the fbi or the

. >> and andy mccabe testified to that.n, there is -- there is on-the-record testimony from then-acting director mccabe saying just what you said. >> correct. a few days after comey was fired, there was a single person who went up to congress and told the truth. >> do you think that's why he got fired? >> well, you know, i think the president already disliked him because, you know, the president doesn't -- doesn't believe it's okay to have a wife who's a democrat. >> right. >> which andy mccabe appears to, you know, have a wife who's a, you know, who ran for office as a democrat. that's apparently unacceptable to the president. but i'm sure it was but i'm sure it was perceived as a slap in the face to the president, but what he was saying, unlike what the president was saying, and unlike what the president's deputy press secretary was saying, was fully county with the tone of the e-mails that we got over the weekend and published yesterday. >> will you please both come back early and offer? the president responding to the c

he asked christopher wray to fire mccabe on twitter, among other places, and he asked andy mccabe, former acting director of the fbi, for a time deputy director of the fbi, who he voted for, called his wife a loser. can you talk about just the unprecedented nature of what donald trump demands from his law enforcement and his intelligence chiefs? >> sure. it's incredibly unprecedented and that was quite a long list you read. and the charitable explanation is that it reflects the fundamental misunderstanding of a man who spent his entire career running what was essentially potentially at times successful, but at its core a family business, where that sort of personal loyalty was part of the credo of the trump organization and a man who has not quite made the transition on this front into being president. and he either does not understand, or does not care, that when you are president of the united states, you simply cannot ask these people to swear, you know, loyalty to you personally because their loyalty is to the constitution, to the country, to the agency they represent. and people have

the next day after he says reading the memo on sunday, fires andy mccabe on monday.ray thought go ahead that was the thought process. by tuesday he makes it clear i don't want this out. they are wondering if he is going to walk in and sty john kelly and the president of the united states, i resign. but the -- many people feel he won't because he didn't sign this. ainsley: it's too late now though. the american people want to know what's in the memo. the president said is he going to release it i think it's going to happen. brian: not too late for him to resign. he could resign tomorrow. ainsley: right. steve: if devin nunes releases this and the president releases it that mr. wray should quit. the president of the united states was out in west virginia addressing the republicans. here he is, he is talking about how the economy has taken off and, of course, nancy pelosi, famously, talking about how that's just crumbs. listen to this. >> and then we got hit with these corporations giving tremendous bonuses to everybody. that nancy pelosi called crumbs. that was a bad -

people can quibble about andy mccabe i spent 15 hours with him in two different interviews, he is a professional witness even though i disagree with some of the decision he made, i think we got to get to some point in life where you can disagree with the decision-making process that someone engaged in without believing that they are corrupt or somehow part of the deep state, whatever that means. >> brennan: this is the deputy director of the fbi who is now retiring. being asked to leave, perhaps earlier than he had planned. but when it comes to the department of justice and the fbi now that the president is raising questions about, these individuals were hand picked by him and he's critical of them. do you think that there need to be changes there? >> i think the folks that he picked can effectuate those changes, rob rosenstein is former united states attorney, i have difference with the way this they discharge their responsibilities, but there is a wide gulf between me having difference from somebody and think they should lose their job. i'm really impressed with chris wray to chris' defense he

footnote at the bottom saying the does way was a politically motivated dossier and andy mccabe was takenthe dossier. what do you say to that? >> well, again, going back to what i was just mentioning is the legal expert from the fbi was present at the interview and was part of the fisa application and said everything that we put out was factual. so, that kind of contradicts that and, besides, as far as it being politically motivated, that right there should have been enough to withhold it. and not make it part of what you are seeking to get a warrant for. even worse, what was withheld is it was paid for by the democrat national committee and the fbi. brian: now we find out there is a second dossier that comes out. maybe not as thick, but it involves michael steele, maybe the state department and members of the clinton camp. wait a second. i thought chris steele said he didn't know who was paying him. he just thought he was hired by fusion gps to get background information on donald trump. does that blow that whole story up? >> well, there is a lot more that needs to come forward and i exp

>> to be clear the dates were september 28, 2016 page was called to the office of andy mccabe. it was october 28th, 30 days later when director comey came out with his announcement about the investigation on hillary clinton's server. 30 days in between to fill in. thank you, guy benson, for filling us in today on the analysis in washington >> sandra: more on the memo and texts. press secretary hogan gidley will join us live. a lot of questions for the white house this morning. will the president ultimately release that memo? >> bill: it's one big question. what is the white house reaction to what we're reporting this morning. that's coming up. more now on the democratic memo. president trump weighing his options when we talk with republican congressman brad wenstrup. he voted to make the republican memo public and the democratic memo. we'll ask him what's inside of that coming up next. >> sandra: president mike pence delivered a strong warning to north korea over its nuclear program. details of what could be in store for kim jong-un just days before the winter olympics. >> we h

you have andy mccabe, his wife was running for office in virginia and getting all this money from clinton pals. >> i want everybody to look at the screen here. you see the president now, a live look at joint base andrews, and as sandra has been telling us, the president is on his way to cincinnati and he'll be talking about tax cuts and jobs creation. that jobs report came out last week, and so there has been a lot of talk about people in this economy who haven't worked in a long time. and getting some oxygen into the room for all of them, and you have people opening up their paychecks late last week or early this week and noticing some bumps within the trump administration, i've heard the trump bump, but right now, they're going to board air force one and head there. also, sandra, the first lady had some things on her bill today, too. she is focused on the opioid crisis, while she is in ohio, and making her presence known there. making some appearances. >> she is visiting a children's hospital. the actual location of the corporation, blue ash, they make hydraulic and custom cylinders, th

they mischaracterized andy mccabe's testimony to our committee and disclosed to the court there was a political mott ivation of one of the witnesses in a larger package that was submitted. >> bill: interesting point. did the court know it came from the teamworking on behalf of hillary clinton? >> no. that was masked bill. typically in applications like this you limit the court's knowledge of actually naming individuals. you want them to know there is a bias, which was disclosed, but you want to protect the u.s. persons and also have the court make an impartial ruling. again, this was also just to launch an investigation. it wasn't a closing argument made to a jury for a proof beyond a reasonable doubt standard. >> bill: but if it came from a competing presidential campaign, is that not relevant? >> it was disclosed there was a likely political motivation. the court weighed that and granted the application. >> bill: but when you say that it appears as if that definition is overly broad as opposed to presenting the case and saying it came from the dnc or it came from those who want to m

. >> i asked andy mccabe, that's not what he said, i don't understand why they won't quote from the transcript urging to sign off on the release of democrats memo just as he gave go ahead for the gop memo last week and from the president's standpoint it was explosive and he tweeted this. this memo totally vindicates trump and probe but the russian witch hunt goes on and on, there was no collusion and there was no obstruction, the word now used after one year of looking endlessly and finding nothing, collusion is dead, this is an american disgrace but listening to the response from both democrats and republicans here on capital here, a sentiment that the russia probe is going to continue regardless of what either of these memos actually say, rob and carley. rob: all right, thank you so much. so as democrats set to vote on their own memo later today -- carley: senior contributor davis says this move is just democrats way of taking america's attention off the real issue at hand. >> and i think this whole issue, well, this is just another distraction, this is all we've had since election day on th

the early departure of andy mccabe the other day throe months short of his eligibility to retire.dence that there is some major problems at the top. this director, director wray, is very eager to renew the trust in the confidence that has been eroded in the fbi. now when you talk about an intelligence memo, it talks about technique, the methodology. it talks about sources. it's very dimfferent than a criminal investigation. i think this director is very concerned that if this memo is released, that the public is going to have a very difficult time in embracing some of the things that have never been disclosed before in the public eye. such as when grow back to the disclosure of water boarding on the battlefield. we as the general public were not prepared to embrace those techniques. he has the same concerns now. trying to renew the trust and the confidence. this memo may just further erode that trust. >> stewart, should the president get that risk more weight than protecting himself? from the local damage. from an ongoing investigation? >> i'd like to believe that the president of

first off it alleges that andy mccabe, that he told the house intelligence committee that without the dossier that was funded by the fbi would never have applied for this fisa warrant for carter page. adam sc hichlt ff came out and said that's not exactly what he said. the memo goes on to say, and this is new as well, that the fisa surveillance was renewed for carter page several times. the surveillance has elicited information that this person is an agent of the foreign power every time you go to the judge. that information is not included in here. what exactly came of the surveillance so that the judge continued to renew the fisa. it goes on to say that critical information was not in the application to the judge. the fact that it says that christopher steele had ant anti-trump bias, that he conveyed to the justice department official that the fact that the dossier was funded by the democrats. that was not in the initial application to the judge. basically making the case that the judge didn't have all of the pieces of the puzzle to show that there was bias there. and it goes on in

outlined some of the disputes with the memo saying, as you said again, that cherry picks from andy mccabe's testimony back in democrat, the former deputy director of the fbi. can you give us more specifics about what the democrats, what your memo contains? >> we know from public sources that there is a lot that the fbi knew with carter page that had nothing to do with christopher steele's reporting. carter paige had come to the attention of the fbi years before he joined the trump campaign. in connection with a russian intelligence network operating in new york. in which carter page was vex a target. so those circumstances of carter page's already existing, the information that existed already about his cross section, the intersection, would be very pertinent in a case like this. but let me say this. let me point to a couple things i can talk about. you see in this memo there's no evidence that page and papadopoulos were conspiring together. so the suggestion is it was inappropriate to include this information about papadopoulos or it doesn't strengthen the application. the fact is, papadop

there was a rumor he was going to quit over the andy mccabe deal. i'm going to stay here, make my commitment to the fbi to make sure it's the finest law enforcement agency and continues to be the finest law enforcement agency in the world. the issue might be the president sending rod rosenstein home with no toys at all. this could be directed squarely at him. we know the president has been complaining about the deputy attorney general, the person who appointed the special counsel and who has oversight over the special counsel's investigation. the ranking member says he's read the memo and his biggest concern is it will be used to push him out. >> this is a concern. if you really believe that a group of agents conspired with the department of justice to purposely mislead the judge in a fisa court, that's a serious charge including and up to perjury. you can perjure yourself for application for a warrant. that's pretty serious. my argument would be let's find the right venue. twitter is probably not the best place to do that. the memo that doesn't hav