your application is blank. i have a problem moving forward with this application. commissioner perez: you are required to do a neighborhood outreach and talk to your neighbors. you said you did not do any of return on your application. that is part of the requirement. you need to talk to your neighbors to ask about what you are going to do. tell them you are going to have entertainment. >> i posted a sign in front of the door more than 45 days. commissioner perez: that is not enough. you actually have to reach out. vice chair joseph: mr. chang, has any member of the staff of the entertainment commission contacted you about this permit? >> yes. vice chair joseph: when did they contact you the first time? >> october. vice chair joseph: they told you you could not operate unless you had a permit. did you stop operating? >> yes. i just want to do the restaurant. i was confused that i still need an entertainment license for that. vice chair joseph: do you represent him? do you want to speak into the microphone? >> i am trying to clarify maybe a couple of things that wer

this applicant has done nothing to try to work with us. i first found out there was an application on january 4. i found out he was holding a meeting that day. he was holding a meeting the following day. two members of our board did attend. they got the impression he was not at all interested in talking to them. because of the short notice, i initiated an e-mail to our members of which there are five or 600 people telling them this meeting was going to take place tonight and if they wished to express 8 opinion they should send to your staff and e-mail or come before you. when the applicant found out we had said that e-mail, he contacted one of our board members, who had been at his open house and complained we have been notifying people that this application was going to be heard by you. we would like to work with the applicant, but it is a two-way street. he has to work with us. we do not know whether we are in favor or not. until -- i would ask you not to accept any further continuance of this and further applications from this applicant

your application is blank. robloving forward with this application. commissioner perez: you are required to do a neighborhood outreach and talk to your neighbors. you saidouid not do any of return on your application. that is part of the requirement. you need to toyou neighbors to ask about what you are going to do. tell them you aregoing to have entertainmen >>i poste a sign in front of the door more an 45days commissioner perez: that is not enough. you actually have to reach out. vice chair joseph: mr. chang, has any member of thestaf hetertaicommissi contacted you about this permit? >> yes. vice chairjoseen did they contact you the first time? >> october. vice chair joseph: they toyo you could not erate less you had a permit. did you stop operating? >> y i just want to do the restaurant. iconf that i still need an entertainment license for that. ice aijose:do you represent him? do you want to speak into the microphone? >>i amtryito clarify maybe a couple of things that were not made clear. mr.chanhas an upper ridding restaurant right now. what he w

commisioner joseph: it is the application's -- applicant's intend to reopen at that location. we don't have enough information about what the intended use is. and what the configuration is going to look like. the intention is there. to do that. >> it will be presidential, a rooftop garden, a 100 seat restaurant, and an entertainment venue in the 400 persons size. commisioner joseph: ok. so is mine understanding that by granting a conditional grant with possibly some extra conditions on it to you, you would be able to maintain your use. it is conditional. this is what i do not understand. if the three years is going to pass and the grant is conditional, and you're not operating, does this preserve your entertainment use? >> we believe as long as we're moving towards, we do dispatched toward reopening place. >> any conditional grant we give you will expire in nine months if you have not come pleaded construction. you'd have to renew that permanent. >> we will come back to the commission. commisioner joseph: thank you. >> how many square feet are you talking about? >> the enterta

-- application to the applicant, and if they choose not to operate, it was given the previous system -- it was almost no cost for renewal so the tracking was from the police department and others was more in the beginning of the process to ensure they satisfied the requirements but there was a lack of coordination with health department, fire department, the tax certificates were tracked less so by the police department. there, -- therefore, based on this and the cumbersome confusion by not only the applicant but within the city agencies that was provided, it was determined the department of public works would be a better agency to manage and oversee this program. so in these kind of specific cases, permit holders could very well stop -- cease operations so their facilities no longer operate in san francisco, we would continue to issue them based on the police department records stating that you need to come in and renew your permit, as a d.p.w. permit for you to continue to operate. they may no longer be in operation so we can't speak to that specifically. president garcia: let me r

the review of the application reveals that is not correct. there is no evidence -- even for sold out, maximum capacity shows. all records suggest a maximum of two bars. no evidence was offered at five bars was a historical average at the masonic and he admitted under cross-examination he did not know the exact number of bars that any show. there is no basis to authorize any more than two bars. there's never been a permanent liquor license for the masonic presence. to issue a conditional use for liquor license and there never had been one of would be an intensification of use. the masonic has only had one day daily licenses, when they catering permits or temporary permits. in the letter, certain temporary permits are referenced since 2010. those are temporary in nature and not a type 47, as he indicates. its five permanent license, nor does it create a right to a permanent license. these were issued only after the city issued a conditional use permit in march of 2010 and were based on a conditional use permit. that permit on which they were ba

requiring these the middle for future applications.with that, i am available for questions and recommend you adopt as amended. president miguel: is there any public comment on this item? >> good afternoon president and members of the planning commission. i am the chair housing and zoning for the russian hill community association and we are the reason you are considering this application. we appealed your approval of the conditional use on two projects to the board of supervisors and the board of supervisors approved a conditional use that but the condition of an independent evaluator on the two projects. both of the community groups hired outside independent experts to review at&t's submission and support of its conclusion for the board presentation. those outside experts determined the information at&t submitted in its application was been sufficient to make a determination. this is probably true of all carriers -- when the community met with at&t in the planning department, supervisor wiener was clear that the intent of his conditio

this was to try to provide a certain level of fairness to future applicants and also current applicants. there is nothing currently that would prevent this applicant who had a s.f.p. permit denied by the department to apply for a new location through the new process. again, recognizing that this was one of those odd situations where according to our records the police department permit was issued september 8, 2010, it was a very short time frame and could very well be the police department wasn't able to place this information within their database or their records. i don't know specifically what happened. i'm not sure in this specific case whether -- at what level the department can provide a reasonable accommodation given that the -- that mr. castillo, the new applicant did all the things that is required and appropriate -- that is required under the public works code, currently mr. castillo's permit, we received objection and is currently on hold pending public hearing. so again, neither applicant have a valid permit for this location at this point. again, as stated previously, we be

i hope the applicant will agree to extending or continuing iraq applications so that you can have time to talk to the neighbors and come up with a comprehensive community safety plan. >> to have a motion to continue? >> the community patrol would be a great starting point. it worked really well in the castro. i will make the motion to continue. >> second. >> thank you for coming in. feel free to come back in two weeks to re-express your feelings. we will stay with the jack in the box items. item l. 400 geary, extended hours permit. >> you are familiar with jack in the box. a permit to operate between 2 and 6. president newlin: you do not have anything to add. >> there is no -- we do not serve alcohol, there is no loud music or entertainment. newtonther -- there is hamburges and curly fries. >president newlin: do you have something to say? >> entertainment commission has received a request for jack in the box to address a plumbing issue. from biscuit and blues. they are being flooded after to ram from jack in the box bathrooms. i do not know why the flooding begins at 2:00 a.m. and stop

as i said, every application. increasingly, what has happened is highly specialized applications. i will give you one example of that. dealer track. they actually do loan origination software for automotive loans. today, basically 80% of all the loans in the united states are processed through their software. we will see much more of this. we want to talk about not as public companies, tons of this. all of these guys uses the original cloud service. a lot of people have asked me why we call it a cloud. what does this come from? it is pretty simple. in the old days of client-server computing -- some of us were around them -- we would draw a picture of a pc, a picture of a unix server, and then a picture of a little clout in between. mostly because none of us understood how networks work. for the old folks in the room, you may remember certain words. this is all communication technology developed for corporations to build their own networks. that sounds like crazy talk today, right? nobody does that anymore. everybody is using ip, mpls- based networks. that is the network cloud. the

again, no environmental review was conducted for the conditional use application. the planning department decided this conditional use application does not require environmental review under public resources code because it merely seeks to continue an existing lawful nonconforming use. a conditional use applications as a discretionary action that requires the planning commission to exercise its sound judgment and it is not a ministerial act. any project that fully complies with the planning code without requiring and -- without requiring a very it's a conditional use may be subject to discretionary review of someone requests one. there is no such thing as a ministerial project involving a planning permit in this city. the applicants proposed conditions of approval and the staff recommendation related to liquor service intensify this historic liquor service. your staff states in the executive summary to you that there is no evidence to support a historic number of bars and historically one-day permits were issued to the promoter upon request. if staff wreck -- yet,

and we review when applicants apply for areas that are congested. we would make certain recommendations as to the possibility and whether the department will support the application. in many cases, it cannot reject or deny an application. >> and it has like food, we have seen the pictures in the menus. would that change the outcome? >> my understanding was that it was not present during the directors hearing. given that information, it could be -- at the hearing officer may continue to recommend moving at a minimum of 200 feet away from this location. president goh: thank you. commissioner garcia: mr. kwan, do you have dp order 71944, article 5.8 of the public code in front of you, sir? >> yes, sir. commissioner garcia: there's an i -- it would be page four, i- 2. the language is on page 5. and you think there is a distinction to be drawn between like food and similar service? >> there has been a historical argument throughout the various cities that we discussed as it relates to food. commissioner garcia: i want to know whether or not the concept o

them of that and we -- and they withdrew their permit application. it is a lot of maps. >> if you want to look at that geographically, and that's what i just handed out to the supervisors, this is a map of the active, approved, withdrawn or disapproved throughout the city. i don't know if they can zoom in at all, but i was going to show you -- the green ones are showing you -- that is going to the mission -- that's very good. don't worry. that's an example. members of the public can get a copy afterwards. this is showing areas in the mission. looks consistent with what i showed up with about 75% approved. the northeast part of the city, district 3, -- supervisor cohen: there is nothing in district 10, nothing approved or disapproved or withdrawn. >> we need to do better recruitment of you what formula retail in your district. >> there is for real retail there. >> prior to 2007, when proposition g was passed, it only required neighborhood approval. i have a more full list of -- that includes some included with neighborhood notification. they were eith

we do not believe the applicant in this case was necessarily on that list. based upon records provided by the applicant, he acquired a permit in approximate august or september of 2010 and is approximate two months prior to the change in legislation, so the public works did not know exactly what happened within the police department process. commissioner fung: how many other license holders we'll now call m.f.f.'s, failed to properly reapply and weren't wear of the new legislation and the requirements of that legislation? is that a common thing or is this extremely unusual? >> if memory serves, the pa

so applicant, you go first.

the applicant applied in approximately march or april of 2011. the department provided notification in april before and now the merchant received any notification. the decision was made. the permit was issued at the end of october of last year after the information and the associated requirements have been satisfied. this permit was appealed. therefore, they cannot operate. there was a lack of notification from the merchant of provided the statement, and i hope it will clarify what happened. >> is it clear that businesses within 300 foot radius? >> it is. however, at the time of application of a permit process, there were no other like foods in the vicinity. similar to what happened previously, a food truck would be authorized for a specific location that may choose not to operate for a little while. someone may move in like this. they got a permit from of police department, did not operate for a couple months. the merchants of this commercial space, a police it, opened a copper rioja region t-- the merchant opened this space, leased it. there is

. >> in this specific case, it's a fairly unique situation, it appears the applicant acquired this police peddlers permit for a hot dog stand in september of 2010. legislation was passed in the interim in december, and then it became effective january of 2011. within the legislation, it was very clear that all current police department permit holders for the first year, they're allowed to -- the department is required to provide them the permit for free. there was one year grace period based upon this information. the unfortunate part specifically is that the department did not have mr. ascarrunz's information when we received the package of records from the police department and why he was not notified. commissioner fung: ok. i understand all that. i understand the processes that the transition required to implement. but when the appellant brought this issue up to your department, at that point in time, a glitch had happened of some type. >> that is correct. commissioner fung: and i'm just wondering what did the department then do to try to resolve the situation? >> the challenge is such

i brought that application to the conference of mayors in washington, d.c. and was immediately surrounded by no less than five additional measures that said, that is something happening in san francisco. we can use that idea here. it is that kind of example where we have more ideas to share, where we can create more applications than create ideas, through the code of america, working with our technology entrepreneur is, working with city departments, with the leadership of our mayor's office, board of supervisors, to challenge us to come up with more ideas as to how we could solve some problems that plague us, whether at the unique, in homeless areas, or whether it might be trying to catch a taxi cab in a more efficient way. we think we could have a more to do to a partnership with a code of america. we are announcing today -- by the way, code of america will be moving into larger offices at ninth and mission in the next few months, and be right with us, both physically, and this innovative strategic partnership that i want to announce today, to really bring

it is the date of applications that the requirements be effective. so if you are to submit now, you have to meet the 2009 requirements. if you are to submit now on a permit with a sense of details in 2010, you do not meet the requirements, you meet 2009 on your permit application. so if somebody were to have submitted something last year, up even though the addendum was coming later, the state of your permit application, foresight permits, you know we have something called a process where you submit an umbrella permit saying here is the concept, the size, and the shape, and you go through the planning review and approval process. you do not want to do all the details and architectural drawings, because that could take the story off. and later you submit an addendum. the agenda are now permits. -- not permits. the only permit is the site permit, but first umbrella permit. so the trigger is the date of the application. >> then at what point do you submit the guidelines? would that be during the site permit? >> yes. you submit this checklist, and as i s

>> can i ask a question to the applicant? >> shoot. >> so part of the permit you're asking us, the good neighbor policy, you guys understand that, right? >> yes. >> here it says that you understand it says permit holder shall provide a cell phone number to all interested neighbors that will be answered at all times by a manager or other responsible person who has the authority to adjust volume and respond to other complaints whenever entertainment is provided. >> actually, i have given them my business card with my phone number to any neighbor that asked for it and that is not a problem. >> including the folks here today? >> exactly. >> i would offer -- i mean, mr. mohammed has been in the bar and talked with the owners previously as well. >> ok. thank you. >> excuse me, commissioners, i don't have a -- i want to make sure you have the right facts while you decide. while you have the applicants up there, you might want to ask them about your questioning and about outreach because i think the first speaker might have misspoke

so applicant, you go first. >> hi, good evening, commissioners. commissioner tan, commissioner perez, commissioner joseph, nice to see you again and commissioner lee, commissioner cavellini, thank you for hearing us again. so since last -- the last hearing a couple weeks ago we did attend the public meeting that supervisor mar had on friday and would like to thank him for having that and that was a really important process for us to hear the neighborhood as residents' concerns personally and i've taken that back to my client and we've discussed that. trying to make this within two minutes. let's see here. as you've heard from nicholas king and the entertainment commission, there's two parts to this, procedurely and process. what you've heard is that we have implemented the entire safety plan, not only are we a responsible business owner and operator, but we've gone above and beyond and implemented safe recommendations and will imimplement captain sanford's recommendations and we have follow-up security on the 31st and also reviewing supervisor mar

for santa clara county, the process for application for food stamps. susan emailed consumerwatch last week saying she applied for benefits four months ago. but she couldn't get through on the phone. >> i would get stuck on hold for hours at a time. >> it's been tremendously difficult. >> reporter: the county's department of benefits services says part of the problem is a flood of new food stamp applications. the other part? the county switched to a new way of processing those applications last may. >> been a very huge learning curve for clients and staff. one of the most challenging aspects of this is the uncertainty of the work flow. >> reporter: among the changes, clients can now apply for benefits online and there's new computer software. but the biggest change, the system is now run like a call center where the first available caseworkers helps a client rather than the old system where the same caseworker stuck with a client from start to finish. >> a few people did get overlooked. >> reporter: but advocates for the poor say it's more than a few. t