bannon has harsh words for trump's new found big money friends. he tells me they are coming to washington tomorrow as a form of surrender to donald trump. >> as soon as zuckerberg said, i've been invited, i'm going. the floodgates opened up and they were all there. not trying to be supplicants. so i look at this and i think most people in our movement look at this as president trump broke the oligarchs, he broke them and they surrendered. >> much more on that coming up. but first we go to two major breaking stories this morning involving trump and outgoing president biden in the middle east. a long awaited hostage and prisoner exchange between israel and hamas begins to go into effect. we'll have the very latest on that in a moment. and this morning, a huge story affecting some 170 million americans. the wildly popular social media app tiktok has gone dark. shutting down following a supreme court ruling this week upholding a ban on the app unless it is sold by its chinese parent company. abc's elizabeth schulze and rachel scott joins me now with t

and now he's got vivek with him and some other people and bannon.out personalities. like as policy gets implemented in the next trump administration, this will be a you know what to the wall. >> all all out to the wall fight between the bannon world that does not want, you know, the kind of corporate oligarchs to have power. >> and then the corporate oligarchs who do want to wield power over trump. and it's also one where like either side could really win, because while trump might instinctively be more with the bannon, he loves the attention of the rich guys. you know, he loves having them around. he loves feeling like he has with their fingertips. they just mentioned that press conference the other day. zuckerberg came to see me. gates came to see me. bezos came to see me like, this is the ego thing for trump. so he might very well sell out his maga base and go with the oligarchs. and i think that could potentially cause him some political problems. so i think it's meaning it's a very meaningful political feud. >> andy, let me read to you. actuall

bannon spent four months in prison last year for contempt of congress.e refused to testify about his conversations with trump. he still talks with him regularly. in fact, i'm told one of the very first calls that bannon received after he was released from prison, was from donald trump. i sat down with bannon at the capitol hill townhouse where he broadcasts "the war room." we've interviewed him before. this time his tone seemed slightly different, a bit less confrontational, although as you will hear, he did baselessly call mark zuckerberg a criminal. that's the same mark zuckerberg who will be attending the inauguration tomorrow as a guest of donald trump. i interviewed you just hours before you went into prison, and now we're sitting here again together just hours before trump's going to be sworn in. >> if i remember correctly, we talked at least after -- before and afterwards about how we were going to win this, right? >> jonathan: you were quite confident. >> very confident. >> jonathan: so he's going to go out there. it's the second inaugural. you w

bannon, whose credentials as a maga warrior are genuine.r defying a subpoena from the january 6th committee. has long been a hardliner against immigration. musk is an equally fierce defender of the h-1b visa program that allows tech firms to bring skilled foreign workers into the country. joining us now, the author of that piece, pulitzer prize winning columnist and associate editor of the washington post, eugene robinson. he's also, of course, an msnbc political analyst. so, eugene, you talk about how this is both personal and also policy. walk us through both sides of that equation. >> well, first, the policy. >> you know, bannon is a hardliner against immigration, has been for a long time. elon musk, as he has made clear on his platform x is a you know i'll die on this hill supporter of the h-1b visa program through which he was able to come into the country from south africa and many others who work for him and for who work for other tech firms. >> and so they have, of course, been on x and in other forums saying extremely rude things a

the point is, those tweets drove bannon and the hardline maga right out of their minds and now bannonl out against musk. >> this is central to how they gutted the middle class in this country. and we haven't fought these battles over years and years and years to allow american citizens of every race, ethnicity, religion, be gutted by the sociopathic overlords in silicon valley. we're not doing that. we're not doing that. we're not having rule by nerds. oh, yeah, tough guy? that -- you're going to go to r on the likes of which you could not possibly comprehend. you're -- you're -- you're a man child,d, to be bnt. screw you, you clown. don't come up and go to the pulpit in your first week here and start lecturing people about the way things are going to be. if you're going to do that, we're going to get and we're going to rip your face off. >> seth: that's right. we're going to rip your face off. then i'm going to rip my own face off. then we're going to switch faces and i'm going to take over your life and it's going to be exactly like the movie "face/off" and i'll be john travolta and

take the maga civil war between first bro elon musk and steve bannon.k has gotten ire from bannon and laura loomer for his support of h-1b visas. even after donald trump took musk's side in the feud, bannon had this to say. >> don't come up and go to the pulpit and your first week here and start lecturing people about the way things are going to be. if you do that, we are going to get and rip your face off. because you can't beat us. >> you can't beat us. don't get fly up here. then there is the drama in the house. house speaker johnson barely managed to win re-election with one republican defecting congressman thomas massie and already johnson has the far right house freedom caucus breathing down his neck. they wrote that he has to prove he will not fail to enact president trump's bold agenda. johnson already has a slim house majority to deal with. if he didn't please the hard right liners like, well, we know how that resulted for kevin mccarthy. and so here we are. once again with one party in full control of government, or at least about to be. it's

so, who is the steve bannon in this administration that's going to have trump's ear? >> i think it's a very different structure, i think that suzie is a safe pair of hands, susie wiles and i hired her in the '16 campaign against the recommendation of president trump at the time. she's fantastic. we would not have won florida if not for susie wiles. she has a safe pair of hands and a different white house staff and going forward than the contentious in the open fighting that we had, but there were all for good reasons, there were different policies. i'm not so sure-- and when you say steve bannon, president trump has been his own strategist. if you look at the way he managed his coalition, the way he put it together, the sweep how he managed in the transition and how he'll manage it going forward, president trump is a deal guy and he understands how to, i think, juggle opposing views and quite frankly, strong personalities. so, one thing i will note that many of the strongest personalities in president trump's orbit are not going into the white house, cory lewandowski,

steve bannon has largely been orchestrating. kind of watch the dance between him and elon musk right now, which has been going on for quite some time. because steve, you know, game recognizes game baby, right. he knows he knows exactly what elon was up to. he's like wait a minute. you try to you're going to move in on my turf. you're going to move on on my ground. that's why he's suddenly such an evil person. now, if he just stayed in his lane and just, you know, continue to use his money and authority that he has to benefit donald trump while all the other, you know, players got to do their thing, that's a different story. but yeah, these three pieces do connect in a way that i think is very telling about how this incoming second term for trump is likely to play out. it's not just the bending of the knee by bezos and musk and others, and it's about what they do once they bend the knee. and that's the part that comes next. >> yeah, i think that's well put. and the difference between journalism, which has plenty of criticism and

that's not true of steve bannon.ven by fear, which miller and bannon are? and these are two clearly damaged individuals who or sort of using public policy to work out personal issues. or do you believe that we have an optimistic vision of america? i go book to ronald reagan's last speech. say what you will about ronald reagan. it was an old what it meant to be an american, how anybody could come here to be an american. and if we lose that ethos, we really have lost, i think, a lot of what it means to be an american. >> well said. gentlemen, thank you for your contributions today. zeke hernandez and stewart stevens. before we go, starting tomorrow morning my friend and co-founder of the singular alley v club, ali vitali sits down in the anchor chair for the first time as the new host of "way too early." she is bringing a wide range of political expertise. if you usually wake up that early or if you are awake from the night before, join ali vitali for way too early every morning at 5:00 eastern. be there. >>> that's it

people like bannon unrepentant racists. musk seemed surprised to discover that there were any racists supporting donald trump. remember the outrage in both the news media and trump world eight years ago when candidate for president hillary clinton referred to some trump supporters deplorables. the racist, sexist, homophobic, islamophobic, you name it. donald trump pretended to be deeply offended at hillary clinton's accurate description of some trump supporters. when the richest person trump has ever met. that we should admit more skilled immigrants into this country, even to take jobs that americans are eager to do. i expect severe buyer's regret fairly early in the second trump administration. after all, many americans did so because they believe he would bring down grocery prices. he stopped talking about the subject as soon as the election was over. sooner or later, voters were going to notice. i did not, however, expect a maga civil war weeks before trump had even taken office. elon musk threatened trump accept porters

i mean, if you see elon musk and the technocrats and then you see steve bannon and what steve bannon said about elon musk, i mean, he has vowed to take him down. just today, he was talking about the, you know, elon musk and what he had said on twitter to undermine the president. i mean, this is a real fault line between maga. >> here's the thing. the coalition is huge. the coalition that came together to elect trump, going all the way from musk to bannon. it's a big, dynamic coalition. it's going to be natural for some. >> dynamic. >> i know i like it. we keep on using a euphemism. >> for something. >> well, by. >> the way, susie did a great job of managing all this during the campaign. i have no reason to believe she can't manage it during. >> the white house. it is. >> rich coming from steve bannon, who contributed to a lot of the dynamics in the first administration. should we say lulu garcia-navarro scott jennings, great to have you both here. meanwhile, tonight we're going to get back to that breaking news i mentioned at the top of the hour. that new wildfire that has erupted in

bannon is on the side of the base and bannon knows that and he believes eventually, donald trump is goingo come his way and not elon musk sway. >> mark and tim, thank you both so much, much more live cnn coverage from the second trump inaugural . ♪ ♪ z's bakery is looking to add a pizza oven, arissa's hair salon wants to expand their space, and steve's t-shirt shop wants to bring on more help. with the comcast business 5-year price lock guarantee, they can think more about possibilities for their business and not the cost of their internet. it's five years of gig-speeds and advanced security. all from the company with 99.9% network reliability. get the 5-year price lock guarantee, now back for a limited time. powering five years of savings. powering possibilities™. >>> we are keeping our eye on these inaugural balls that are taking place tonight all over washington, the president and the first family, just at their second ball of the night, the liberty ball. in the meantime, one of president trump's executive orders begins this fight over his attempt to scratch out a piece of the constitu

elon musk, that provoked musk to call trump supporters like bannon, quote, unrepentant racists. musk seemed surprised to discover that there were any racists supporting donald trump. remember the outrage in both the news media and trump world eight years ago when candidate for president, hillary clinton, referred to some trump supporters as, quote, deplorables, the racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, islamophobic, you name it. donald trump pretended to be deeply offended at hillary clinton's accurate description of some trump supporters. when the richest person donald trump has ever met, who also happens to be the richest person in the world, calls trump voters unrepentant racists, donald trump, of course, sided with the rich guy against his own supporters. donald trump decided to publicly agree with elon musk. that we should admit more skilled immigrants into this country, even to take jobs that americans are eager to do. nobel prize-winning economist paul krugman writes in his substack article titled, "maga is already eating its own, pass the popcorn." quote, like many obs

molly ball, mike mentioned steve bannon. so this was the latest set of attacks from steve bannon. he says quote, i've never seen action like this in my life. trump's one time chief strategist said he called on the white house chief of staff susie wiles, to sit him, ellen, down and sort it out immediately. there is something fundamentally wrong here about the structure in his understanding of the structure. this is not silicon valley. this is not tech bros. or is it? >> well we'll see. i mean, i think it depends if for now elon's just popping off, right? he's just saying things on social media. he's sort of a critic, but he's going to have an office in the white house. he has an office in the white house. so what is he going to actually try to do? right? and i think the infighting is going to come when he starts trying to actually push whatever initiatives he's going to actually push for, whether they're things that advantage his companies or whether they're just things that he believes in ideologically. but other parts of the maga movement do not. as we saw with the h-1b debate th

bernie sanders and steve bannon agree on getting rid of h1b visas.bling these alliances. do you? >> slightly. the far right, the populist light, has always been somewhat skeptical of corporate power, as has the left and liberals and centrist. but yet what you have under trump is trump bringing in these people on culture war issues, talking about the border and crime and trans issues. this is part of the 687 strategy. focus on culture war issues. do not let particularly working class voters see the democrats as doing anything for them. so, when joe biden and barack obama provide broadband to rural areas, you know, you and i don't need it living in the washington, d.c. area. but they provide broadband to places like west virginia and idaho. and the people there benefit from it. and what do they do? they either watch fox news on broadband and think the people who are doing this are elitist who they should be voting against. it's not just that this is a government of billionaires, it's a government for billionaires. and that's what we're going to see --

trump's his, bannon's, everyone who's threatening retribution.ng anything to protect yourself? >> well, you know, i'm frankly more concerned about my personal security than i am about my legal liability as a member of the january 6th committee, i'm enormously proud of the work that we've done. i think all of us feel that way. i have no concerns about that work, and i stand behind it. but, you know, i think we've all seen in this environment and i'm not alone in this. >> the level of personal threats has really exploded beyond, i think, anything we've seen before. >> that's a dangerous trend affecting people on both sides of the aisle. and that is something that we should all condemn and do our best to move away from. >> officer fanone was on the show on january 6th, talking about his mother being swatted and someone coming along and dumping feces on her property. the harassment obviously intended to send a message to her that she would. i guess the thinking goes, pass along to her son to silence him as a critic or even an eyewitness to january 6t

i was going to buddy think steve bannon just -- 100% 100% m, didn't he? as long as i'm still here i should say we got lots more coming up this point. speaker mike jostle be on the te state charlie with their very own rachel and before that and you can see the project being moved behind me we have an exciting panel coming up next on the topic you've just been hearing about them something that will dominate all of our lives as we know over the next few years, artificial intelligence. i'm going to welcome onto the stage a bunch of people that understand ai way better than i do. political text host stephen will moderate the conversation on american combativeness in ai focus on national security and on the race against china and joining on the panel by the new elected senator udall john curtis a republican, the audible nazak nikakhtar who leads that sessions could frexit are also a former assistant the department for commerce under president trump. other subdivisions where the democratic congressman ami bera of california and with chris who is open ai vice pre

. >> but you're seeing steve bannon saying tax the wealthy, this is my new agenda, full populist agenda. because he sees, he talks explicitly about the fact there was the killing of the health care executive. he thinks that's huge for the american public and that donald trump needs to respond to this. and i think you're going to see a huge clash right away between the rtraditional republicans a steve bannon pressure. >> okay, but donald trump has spent the last five weeks, not saying this in a negative way, in nall his glory. right? he's lathered up at mar-a-lago, his favorite place on earth, 24 karat bathtub, surrounded by super wealthy people kissing his ring. and number two guy in treasury overseeing tax policy is a huge tax lobbyist who worked for microsoft and cruise lines and knows full well how corporations can avoid paying taxes but is not focused on the irs collecting them. that bannon agenda and maga universe -- >> they just cut $25 million from the irs budget. >> today looked calm and orderly but it can't last because the factions exist. >>> new topic, the current president,

bannon is on the side of the base. and he believes that donald trump is going to come his way and not elon musk's way. >> i want to talk to the rhythm or whatever the people are going to dance to. that's snappy. martin, tip, thank you so much. >>> next, more live cnn coverage of the second trump inauguration. and the second ball he's been to today. stick with us. ♪ ♪ >>> we are keeping our eye on the inaugural balls all over washington. the president and first family at their second ball of the night, the liberty ball. one of president trump's executive orders begins this fight over his attempt to scratch out a piece of the constitution, that outlines birthright citizenship. here with us in the studio, is cnn legal analyst elliot williams. elliot, this will not come as a surprise to you, if you have been listening to con ing ing ing ing to conservatives for some time now. one particular conservative would not be cover under citizenship. vivek ramaswamy says the 14th does not speak. >> i think what president does the pr

would be no better place than to announce what did you some of which is a joint venture with steve bannonservative films back into the ecosystem. government gangsters the movie is the first one end is coming out in the spring just a couple months. we are very excited about that. here's the thing. eight years ago the deep state was real. when donald trump came down the escalator in 2015 in trump tower the deep state was already moving at 100 miles an hour. the deep state projected on us we were the neocons, the conspiracy there is because we dare to call them the deep state. state. when we fast-forward eight years later they have multiplied. they have put their army on the ground in government agencies and departments from the dod o the fbi to the doj. they have weaponized justice. they have politicize the intelligence community. they have sees our department of defense from the men and women who have the audacity to serve and where the cloth of this country and they have tarnished the reputation. they have led to disasters in afghanistan, in ukraine, initial and elsewhere but they blame u

steve bannon couldn't govern. they're great when they're in the opposition. i expect two years of utter chaos. >> give them a chance. >> give them a chance. >> all right i got to go to this. okay. so just five days ago, right. president, president elect trump declared, quote, the extension of the debt ceiling by a previous speaker of the house, a good man and a friend of mine will go down as one of the dumbest political decisions made in years. and drumroll, here he is tonight, spending quality time with that former speaker kevin mccarthy at mar-a-lago. trump has this remarkable ability to just shred you and then see you come calling like nothing happened. is this in mike johnson's future? >> i hope not, but i think there's definitely going to be some disagreements that percolate. we just saw it with the cr, right? i think obviously elon musk put the president, backed him into a corner a bit on that. but that's going to happen again until they figure out a way to work together. i think a lot of these problems started with the kevin mccarthy fiasco. and anothe

the big fight was with bannon, sort of the populist type of republican conservativism, versus in somean, tech bro populism of an elon musk and bannon said, i'm going to make sure that by inauguration day, musk is no longer around, but you saw the scene. there's musk sitting in front of the commerce secretary and bannon's not to be found. >> martha: on tuesday t day after the inaugural, president trump announced a $5 billion investment into stargate a.i. you had sam altman there, and a few other tech heavyweights, but not elon musk, and then later, elon musk was saying, those guys don't have the money. >> musk can develop intense rivalries, and the two chapters in the book of this sort of intensity against sam altman because they started openai together. this whole idea of artificial intelligence, they were going to create this idea of nonprofit, and sam altman decided to make it a closed system and for-profit, and musk just never forgave him. you're seeing this battle happen just this week. >> martha: so it wasn't against trump in any way. it was just all about altman. and, in fact, t

then he have steve bannon, the nativist majority within maga who want to cut off all immigration to theountry. we have people like my friend, speaker johnson, who sponsored the life begins at conception act. who has been advancing the idea of banning abortion imaginary which was enabled by the supreme court's decision overruling roe v. wade then you have others, which i would include donald trump and this, who don't really care about abortion and are doing everything they can to run away from the issue, even though he was bragging about having a point of the justices who did overturn a woman's right to choose. so i think that they have the slender rest of majorities. and on any particular issue, huge divisions going on with their coalition. and we will do whatever we can to work with people. jim jordan is my counterpart on judiciary, we sponsored legislation together called the press act that i am very proud of and i hope he is still part of it. which protects the rates of reporters not to have compulsory production of their confidential sources and their notes and documents. that passe

who's the steve bannon in this administration let's get to have drop steered. >> i think it's a verynt structure i think susie is a safe pair of hands susie whiles i hired her and the 16 campaign against the recommendation of resident trump at the time she was fantastic we would not have one florida in 16 if i had not been for susie whiles we brought her and i think in august after i got there in september she's fantastic. she's a safe pair of hands she's got the way she's run things she has a very different white house staff white house going forward spending attention us the contentious in the open fighting that we have but all for good reasons it was different policies. i'm not so sure i think president trump president trump and particularly if you look at how he's managed his coalition how he put it together for this great victory across the board sweep of how he's actually manage the transition and how managing it going forward president trump is a deal guy he understands how to juggle opposing views. i see some pattern recognition and i think all those people are going to be ve

what is what is it about musk that has bannon so incensed?> he's got a week, so got to get cracking. >> but no. look, i think part of this is, you know, i think bannon and others are trying to figure out exactly what that role is in the orbit in the administration right now. right. seven years ago, eight years ago now, he was coming in as counselor to the president. this is a way, i think, for him to have an angle, have a different sort of take than a lot of people in the trump orbit who are have no problem with elon musk favorable, elon musk like him. so i think that is really what the angle is. you also saw i saw something similar to this when he was talking about raising taxes on the wealthy, which is, as we know very much, not what republicans in congress or in the administration are actively doing. i think he's trying to carve out a unique lane here. >> i don't oh, no, no. >> go ahead. >> oh, i was going to say they do have some, you know, policy differences. but i'd also say bannon has said this, that he resents the fact that elon is so

steve bannon against it. elon musk who made sure trump was elected this time for it.pers flare and bannon wants to sit back and study and call them a toddler and must reply with an expletive. next, a likely clash ukraine work. secretary of state nobody on the record in support. in my view he will clash with the vice president elect j.d. vance is made it clear in the past he wants no part of it. national security advisor referee. last week speaker johnson led the term budget. the blue up because of elon and vivek ramaswamy. attacking the weekend iran to bring up different opinions i can imagine when you have these people who have a different view of our nemesis over the last 40 years tulsi gabbard likely to say hands off. pete hegseth will say no about iran and when it comes to healthcare, rfk made some views known in the administration and other public and sides will find itself to stomach rfk junior's rules. it got so bad this week anticipating the next four years and coming chief of staff susie wiles and a memo to cabinet companies. no member of this incoming admini

, but you see a split within the trump community where bannon was trying to get rid of elon musk.ow what? elon musk is part of that tech utopianism that steve bannon and others reject. >> well, musk seems to be coming out on top in just every area. ramaswamy is off to run for political office in ohio. he's got sole control over the budget cuts. do you have concerns about writ large the conflicts of interest, as well as the power of someone like elon musk and others who are. >> elon musk. >> from the front row of the inaugural, you know. >> absolutely. all of them sitting right in front of the cabinet, not sitting in front of the commerce secretary. so, yeah, an inordinate amount of power. i think what worries me the most is that elon musk is used to operating not only in the private sphere, but the very private sphere where he controls spacex. he he controls tesla, he owns neuralink and pretty much owns his ai company, x i. and so he can take extraordinary risks. and those risks sometimes pay off. he's the only person being able to launch rockets and then land them upright with th

like like the heart and the soul of maga, the steve bannon he went to he went to prison for trump.him i don't know what he actually believes i really i really don't. but at least that that is what he seems to represent to maga. and the other is new but really, really rich and really eccentric and his public image is strange, but he writes all the checks and i'll tell you this, having covered maga for nine years, they're not both going to come out alive, right? they're not going to like make up. and i wonder what threat that represents to all these very detailed and scripted plans. >> well, in a way, they know they're going to the very machine that has enabled and propelled, you know, what bannon has stood for. and a lot of the. >> traditional sort. >> of right wing ideas. >> the first wave of trump. >> trump 1.0. >> and what bannon really. >> represents right now is sort of that wing of the faction. >> they're going to sort of. >> end up being, you know, getting overrun. >> and. >> overshadowed by the very right wing media machine. >> that propped him up in the first place, because

the enemy of my enemy is my friend, unless it's steve bannon. [ laughter ] that's right.told an italian newspaper that he would have elon musk, quote, run out of the maga movement by inauguration day. oh, he runs out on his own, said his kids. [ laughter ] [ cheers and applause ] the supreme court is set to hear challenges this week to the constitutionality of state laws restricting access to pornographic websites. it's the first court case where witnesses will not raise their right hand. [ laughter ] i don't think i can make it through a testimony without doing it. according to a new poll, former new york governor andrew cuomo leads mayor eric adams and other democratic candidates in a prospective mayoral primary. here's how the numbers break down. [ laughter ] google confirmed last week that it has donated $1 million to president-elect trump's inaugural fund. and this is nice, bing ponied up $50. [ laughter ] according to a new survey of tourists, new york is the least friendly state in the country. though i do have to ask, did those tourists ever consider getting out o

but with the added copy, does eli and musk represent my good in your mind, steve bannon, these are very different people. okay. and there are other characters within the trump or bit there is just as different from others. go ahead tom. yeah i, i, i don't, neither of those men represent what maga actually is. i think mag, at this point is a complete overhaul of the way we do. things was thinking about this for my, let my latest writings and, and i really do believe that is we're at a moment where everybody in america is feeling that we either we have to revolve, or we, whether it rack that inflection point. and if we don't evolve, then we will weather and, and i think the fires in california are a perfect example of, you know, the kind of an emblematic symbol of the, of the right within the existing system. and i think that that is what ultimately we want and it means different things to different people. and with my own community, i can see it. we have divisions all the time about what you know and the anxiety over getting it done. magic is the biggest impediment to getting anything do

i think steve bannon is wrong, and i think that's what career mind represents among other things. and when you put the totality of this together and you will get what's going on in the financial markets with what's going on with that policy and the movement and the way that they were going to pricing your dollars in the future. it's very clear that everybody is done with the ussr, included in the russians, the chinese and everybody else. and they can all get together and say, you know what, you want to be communist. you have fun, we're done and leave us alone and leave us out of it. we have a world to read. well, it is, i think the best, my son but, but tough as long as you by our energy. that's all. yeah, that means there's that. but what's really important is on is that on monday or tuesday, he's gonna speak virtually at davos play talk. all right, all right, everybody, that is my speed. that's what i'm what i'm going to ask everybody to hold your breath until monday. okay. that's all the time we have. i want to thank my guest in florida and, and natural. and of course i want to

thought it would be no better place to announce what you just saw which is a joint venture with steve bannon to launch conservative films back into the ecosystem so government gangsters the movie is the first one and it's coming out in the spring just in a couple months so we are excited about that but here's the thing, eight years ago the state was real . when donald trump came down the escalator in 2015 in trump tower the deep state was already moving out 100 mph but they projected on us that we were the neocons, we were the conservative tconspiracy theorist becausewe call them the deep state and when we fast-forward they have multiplied . they have put their army on the ground in government agencies and departments from j the dod to the fbi to the doj. they have weapon eyes to justice . they have politicized the intelligence community. they have seized our department of defense from the men and women who have the audacity to where the cloth of this country and tarnish their reputation and led to disasters in afghanistan, ukraine, israel and elsewhere but they blame us and one of the weigh

. >> but this is where you were seeing steve bannon come out and say, i want to text the wealthy. this is the new agenda, the full populist agenda. he talked explicitly about the fact that there was the killing of the healthcare executive. he thinks that donald trump needs to respond to this and i think you will see a huge clash right away between traditional republicans and the sort of steve bannon pressure. >> donald trump has spent the last five weeks in all his glory, right, he has been lathered up at mar-a-lago, his favorite place on earth, in a 24 karat bathtub surrounded by super wealthy people kissing his ring. and look at the people he is appointing. the number two guy in treasury is a huge tax lobbyist who last worked for microsoft and cruise lines and knows full well how corporations can avoid paying taxes but is not focused on collecting them. >> they just cut $25 billion from that budget. >> today may have looked calm and orderly but it can't hold and it can't last. these factions exist. >> today president biden announced that he is blocking japan's nippon steel from

and as steve bannon put it to me, and steve bannon knows trump quite well. it's also worth noting he is not a fan of the technology. but he said, look, it's like walking into teddy roosevelt's game lodge and looking at all the stuffed heads on display. it was a power move for trump. it was not necessarily a flex for all of these tech guys who have way more money than him, but are desperate for his approval. >> donald trump comes into office this time around with a team who's been studying what they want to do and how to get it done. it's just a much different ball game in 2025 than it was in 2017. all right. ashley parker, ryan nobles, vaughn hillyard, thank you very much. and our thanks to courtney kube and also to julie sorkin for that. that great reporting. still ahead, january 6th. convicts are walking out of prison today. ashley and i were just talking about it. let me describe to you who exactly has been released and what they are saying about their release. plus, the lawsuits are being filed. what executive orders are likely to face injunctions? what

but trump has an even bigger ally than steve bannon this time around. he has a billionaire by the name of elon musk on the outside, who controls one of the biggest social media platforms in the world. and as we have seen, he is willing to bankroll to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars, the maga and trump agenda. >> yes. >> and of course, all of this is very daunting, but i actually think it's important not to use their language and not to give them the compliment of repeating their propaganda. and the shock and awe goes with trump trying to justify using u.s. military within our borders by saying, remember he was saying that there's an invasion. he said today. and like places in the heartland like aurora had to be liberated as though this was iraq. and now, of course, is, you know, a reference to a former military campaign. so it's important not to echo their language because, for example, one of the reasons they're doing mass deportations is not just because of racism, but it is the excuse they need to use the u.s. military inside our borders,

you had bannon put in jail. you had peter navarro put in jail. you had people that suffered and far worse than that, they've lost their fortunes. they've lost their whatever, their nest egg, paying it to lawyers and those people and people said, and they don't even they wouldn't have even taken most of those people. they wouldn't have even taken apart. this guy went around giving everybody pardons. and, you know, the funny thing, maybe the sad thing is he didn't give himself a pardon. i went through four years of hell by this scum that we had to deal with. i went through four years of hell. i spent millions of dollars in legal fees and i won. but i did it the hard way. it's really hard to say that they shouldn't have to go through it. also, it is very hard to say that joe biden has very bad advisers. somebody somebody advised joe biden to give pardons to everybody but him. >> a lot to unpack there. >> so joining. >> us now, white house. >> correspondent for politico. >> adam cancryn. >> adam. >> thanks for. >> waking up. >> with us. >> i guess le

but, musk is going further right than bannon. a tamping a trump ally saying he does not have what it takes to lead his upstart reform u.k. party. the british populous that pushed brexit. supporter who might finance his party. >> the fact that he supports and supports reform does not mean i have to agree with everything said on x. why the falling out? robinson, a jailed antimuslim who fanned the flames of racist riots last summer. musk praises him. farage doesn't. the question in europe now, how far right will musk go? >> reporter: concern in the u.k. has gotten to such a level that the leader of the third largest party suggests the government should call in the u.s. ambassador to pass a message to the white house saying anyone in government there should be very careful about speaking about british government affairs. erin? >> nick, thank you very much. a twist there. >>> next, breaking news, president biden is speaking right now at a memorial for victims of the new orleans terror attack as we are learning more tonight about exact

he says let's cap interest card fees 10% he campaigned on i would spur that if he does what steve bannonaid make sure billionaires pay more taxes in this you can you be i would support that billionaires were paying 20% effective tax today paying 30 to 35 administrators in 90s when we had 3.5 percent economic growth if he says i want to invest in manufacturing i would support that, i may support some issues on tariffs, on strategic products coming from china. but if you are just going to say i want tax cuts for the wealth, and taxi breaks i can't support that. >> hold on our california lawmaker do you want the settle a deduction cap lifted? >> i the salt deduction cap lists? >> i do i think it should be lifted to amount that covers, working in middle class families, but that is one issue, about a i rather focus on is giving americans working middle class a raise, raise minimum wage, focus on investments in this country in manufacturing but do i support the proposal i am not going to vote for it if it means giving more tax breaks to billionaires and corporations, many whom outsourced their

but it is musk's right- wing push picking up on what former trump strategist and adviser steve bannonegan eight years ago, championing europe's far right populist disruptors that has europe's leaders worried. >> translator: ten years ago if we'd been told that the owner of the world's largest social media networks would support an international reactionary movement and directly interfere in elections including germany. >> reporter: musk also supporting the hard right afd, alternative for germany party, which has been accused of resurrecting nazi rhetoric. ahead of elections there next month. but musk is going further right than bannon, attacking a staunch trump ally, nigel farraj, saying farraj doesn't have what it takes to lead his upstart reform uk party. farage, the british populist who pushed breksist, just hours before musk's putdown had counted the tech titan a supporter who might finance his fledgling party. >> the fact that he supports me politically and supports reform doesn't mean i have to agree with every single statement he makes on x. >> reporter: why the falling out? po

: one of the more outspoken folks opposing the h-1b visa program is former trump advisors stephen bannon who accused the tech companies that are supporting this program of doing so at the expense of american workers. here's the clip of him on tuesday on his podcast. >> here you've gone to nj school, try to get, they're going to import on a bald-faced lie higher skilled foreign workers, i skilled foreign workers. the skills are not any different than american citizens. don't sit there and lie. you can't fill the spots. you go out of your way. you go out of your way to gun deck the entire things he could do that because the more complaint. the reason to have got to be compliant in point for central america we have indentured servitude? as much as that was a scar on the country in the 19 century and we're doing here? in front of your eyes and with billionaires that are worth a fortune coffee will sit and look at you all, you're a liar. sure enough respect for the citizens of this country to be honest. let's have a debate. you want lower wages, i got that, i understand it. it's not going hap

the point about navarro and bannon of course is they went to jail for defying a subpoena.fore he defied a congressional subpoena for to be deposed by the oversight committee which is my old committee and instead he insisted on an in-person public hearing, which was inconsistent with what the subpoena was. so again, the whole subpoena issue with bannon and navarro suggests a complete double standard of the democrats lawfare, so i don't think we've heard the end of this. at the same time i think trump has a lot of business on behalf of the american people that he be well-advised to get on with as well. liz: yeah, we hear you. the need to reset the in at thing it of the u.s. government. julian epstein thank you so much. >> with you 100% on that. liz: good to hear from you, thank you so much. now, we have a quick programming note. starting monday, january 27, "the big money show" is expanding to two hours, from noon to 2:00 p.m. eastern time. we are very excited to congratulate the one and only dagen mcdowell as the fourth co-host. joining taylor, brian and jackie, we can't wa