as you said, we were talking to congressman bennie thompson, and we've straightened out the technical difficulty. let me go back to congressman thompson. just a moment ago, congressman, mr. chairman, we asked you about the main goal of the jan 5i6rth commission. what can you tell us about this reporting that essentially, as soon as it was publicized, that a hearing on the insurrection would take place, house minority leader kevin mccarthy started undermining it. >> well, i can tell you this, rev, leader mccarthy along with every other leader in congress was kept informed on a daily basis as to what was going on. he even made sug jekss as to what we needed to do if we needed his support in the bill. we accepted his suggestions and moved on. so i can't really understand why at the last moment he would say that. i'm looking forward to voting on it this week. i look forward to having strong republican support for this commission bill. >> so let me make sure i'm following you right. you and those that work along with you had consistent contact throughout the process with mr. mccarthy. he e

in chairman bennie thompson. they came to gathering up bipartisan way. >> let me follow up on that point. you mentioned, spent? , republican of new york who worked on this bipartisan agreement. the looming question is whether or not the republican leader in the house, kevin mccarthy, will go along with his plan. what are you hearing from your gop collects. >> it is split. last week was on a good week for the republican congress -- conference, because the whole cheney thing makes this worse. they are sort of purging anyone who shows any independence and that is not a good look for the party. politics is about addition, not subtraction. attic republicans make a mistake when they start pushing people out instead of bringing people and. however, i will say is a former hard-core conservative congressman, it is an leader mccarthy's best interest to do this. it really is. go ahead. independently look at this. document this. no form of the changes. then you do not have to be so much on the defense of all the time. part o

i'm joined by the democrat chairman of the house homeland security committee, bennie thompson.ough who is it -- it's a ten person commission, five appointed by republicans, five by democrats. who is eligible to be on the commission and who is not? >> i will make it easy. no sitting member of congress is eligible to participate on the commission. we want to look at law enforcement, civil rights, other individuals who might have an interest in what went on on january 6th. specifically, no member of congress can sit. >> and subpoena power, it is what happens when there's a deadlock on a subpoena, if it's 5-5 or the chairman and vice chairman can't agree? >> it's a shared responsibility. it's a bipartisan commission. i'm anticipating very little challenges with respect to getting access to information. i personally supported the formation of the commission. and i think every other chairperson or agency here in this administration would be amenable to providing whatever information that we deem necessary the commission might need. >> you guys have come to this agreement. this now ge

or john katko who hammered out legislative language with benny thompson says, nobody has any professional pride for the work? no one stands up for themselves? it's incredible. >> when you talk about john katko, i think the four months is really important. the politics of this thing looked pretty different four months ago than they do now. there is this phenomenona we see with trump over and over again where occasionally the veil drops, the horror of it is over and over. it was a theme of his entire presidency, the theme of the "access hollywood" tape, and january 6 is when you saw mitch mcconnell really act in horror, and you thought this might be the moment that they're going to try to purge this man from the party and go their own direction. it's only for their own self-interest, right, because they just lost the election and there are other people with ambitions to take his place. but it just doesn't let up. the more time that goes by, the more he's able to sort of wrap, at least, the people within his idealogical movement in this impenetrable reality, and the people who want to be in

bennie thompson and democrats are saying no way.this commission is going to move forward, it needs to be focused. we'll see. i think one of the big wins that a lot of democrats are saying is that the republican who is chairing it in the house is congressman john packo, who voted to impeach trump after the attack on the capitol. we'll see. the biggest issue has been what the scope will be. now that we know it's going to be focused, and that's what leaders are pushing for, at least democratic leaders, they'll be able to move on with that. they want to get a report in by the end of the year. a very quick timeline for what's happening with this sort of thing. but they're going to be trying very hard to focus it on this and subpoenas and other things and documents that relate to it. i think as long as democrats keep leaning into that and insuring in their messaging and also within the walls of congress and the walls of the hearing rooms, they'll be able to find more information to lead them and help them in this investigation. >> all rig

plus, congressman benny thompson on his built to begin the january 6th commission over republicans keeping up the lies about roe v. wade in the supreme court takes up a huge abortion rights case. >> i think the likelihood of roe v. wade being overturned is very minimal. i don't say that happening. >> and as the devastation continues in gaza, why did it take so long for the united states to even discuss a cease-fire? all in starts right now. >> good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. yesterday, in these united states of america, there were just over 16,000 new cases of covid reported. now, if you've been watching my show for the course of the pandemic, you know it was a sunday -- that still the low reporting day. but that number, 16, 000, is still the lowest daily number since the end of march 2020. when the outbreak was still largely localized in a few areas throughout the country and when crucially, there was basically no real testing infrastructure. remember that? and also, for the first time since the pandemic started, we now have cases that are declining in all 50 states. that's r

congressman bennie thompson, the house homeland security chairman who struck a deal with his republican counterpart for a commission to investigate the capitol riot. it's a major breakthrough but how bipartisan, fair and honest will it be as the gop continues to push the big lie? >>> also my personal conversation with a group of asian-american community leaders amid a terrifying spike in anti-asian violence in this country. you want to hear what they have to say. "velshi" starts now. >>> good morning. it is sunday, may 16th. i'm ali velshi. the worst and deadliest violence in years in the israeli/palestinian conflict continues this morning. overnight the israeli defense forces released this footage of a new strike conducted on the residence of a hamas leader in gaza in addition to tunnel systems in gaza as well. the idf says air strikes hit hamas intelligence headquarters which they say was located adjacent to a kindergarten. the gaza ministry of health reports at least 33 people were killed and multiple buildings destroyed in new air strikes today. doctors without borders also reports

and also, i just wonder if, you know, bennie thompson saying over the weekend that, yeah, you know, former president trump should testify has anything to do with it. >> well, my source in in the republican conference told me -- who supports this commission told me this morning that the source said that belief is yes that the bennie thompson comment could have a negative impact on the notion of this being a more bipartisan vote to create this bipartisan commission. and the reason is, you know, it's poking the bear. the bear is, of course, donald trump. now that does not excuse the notion of voting against something that is modelled directly on the 9/11 commission. which was harolded by people on the far left and the far right for doing its job to find out what happened that led to the united states being attacked? it's the same idea h the creation of this commission. what happened in the country? what happened at the capitol? what happened more broadly in washington that led to this unprecedented attack on the united states capitol? and what he said is really, really important. the house ha

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benny thompson negotiated that deal on the january 6 insurrection as chair on the committee, and theessman joins me now. congressman, maybe first you can talk us through what the language of the bill would create in terms of the commission. >> well, chris, thank you for having me. the language would put a 10-member commission together with subpoena power with the sunset on december 31. but they would look at the facts and circumstances that brought about january 6. they have full authority to look at any information, subpoena any witnesses. as you know, congress since january 6 has had quite a few hearings. we knew a lot of information. so their responsibility would be to put that information in a format with recommendations back to congress as to what we can do to fortify the capitol, what we can do to make sure that the public will be safe when they visit the capitol, and by all means, the capitol police and other government employees will be safe there working. so we have quite a bit to put on the commission. i'm excited about it. it took us about four months to get to this point,

on friday you had a deal announced by john katko and benny thompson saying they had struck a deal tos january 6th commission. and katko has been telling his colleagues there is some bwiggl room about what's going to be investigated. the emphasis will be on january 6th but there were some opportunities potntially to explore other areas outside of january 6th and leading up to january 6th. but today you have the top republican saying he actually doesn't support that deal. i want to read to you why he doesn't agree with it. he says given the political misdirections that have marred this process, given the now duplicative and counterproductive nature of this effort and given the speaker's sh shortsighted scope that doesn't investigate interrelated political forms of violence in america, i cannot support this legislation. now there have also been questions in recent days about whether or not mccarthy himself would be asked to testify. of course, we are a long ways from who exactly would be subpoenaed, who would have to testify. this commission would be made up of five republicans and five

representative benny thompson of mississippi joins us now and the chair of the house homeland security committee. congressman, thank you so much for being here. the news, the big news this morning is that you, congressman, reached an agreement for this commission, but house minority leader kevin mccarthy has not signed off on it yet. what happens if he doesn't sign off on this? >> well, i think he will. we have negotiated in good faith since january 6th to get to where we are now. he might not have seen the final document, but to my knowledge, there's nothing in this commission bill that hadn't been vetted by democrats and republicans alike. >> but congressman, let me ask you about how it will work. as i understand it, nancy pelosi and chuck schumer will get to choose five of the commissioners and kevin mccarthy and mitch mcconnell will get to choose five of the commissioners but kevin mccarthy, of course, is a vital part of the chronology of what happened that day on january 6th because he had that pivotal conversation with president trump about trying to call off the mob. so how can

benny thompson, the chairman negotiated with john katko, the republican ranking member of that committee and announced this on friday. i want to talk a little bit about what's going to be on this commission, this 9/11 style commission to investigate the insurrection. the commission would include a ten-member panel with half appointed by democratic congressional leaders including the chair, and half by republicans including the vice chair. the panel would have the power to issue subpoenas if they are signed off by both the chair and vice chair. the chair is going to be a democrat, the voice chair will be a republican. the commission would be tasked with issuing a final report by the end of this year making it a quick time line for the panel to put out its final product. you know, after the agreement was announced on friday, reporters spoke with house minority leader kevin mccarthy to get his take on the deal. he said he was still looking at it, but that is not stopping democrats from putting this to a vote this week. they plan to vote on creating this 9/11 style commission that would inve

benny thompson. i don't know where to start with this but you're up against far greater headwinds than the people that decided there would be a 9/11 commission because there were not members of the house that disagreed 9/11 happened and airplanes flew into buildings and killed our mer cans. there was no disagreement about those facts. today there is no disagreement between the house of representatives. >> there is no question about it. let me tell you, we've been working since january 6th to get to this point. it been difficult. we haven't had the best cooperation trying to get here but we're here so what we're seeing on the screen right now is actually what happened. other people were trying to say otherwise. they will have their opportunity to come before this commission and try to make their case, but we think clearly we have to move forward. what you seen right now, the only other time we've had anything close to this at the nation's capitol was 1814 when it was set on fire. so this insurrection

if you watch the program we had congressman benny thompson of mississippi on the show. he's the chair of the homeland security committee and he spent four months negotiating with a ranking matter of that committee who is john tackle of new york. he told me that the two of them negotiated to reach a bipartisan deal on this january six inquiry. they engaged in a lot of good faith by partisan congressional work, the kind of stuff they used to happen a fair amount still happens that's kind of in the background of congress. and congressman thompson said kevin mccarthy was part of the negotiations and he has the receipts. >> kevin mccarthy, he knew about it. he exchanged letters with us saying he wanted to see certain things, so he was engaged all the time. republican leadership needs to step up. if we have to produce the letters that the minority leader wrote to us saying that this is what i want in the deal than will do that. >> okay. now, mccarthy has decided to flip the table over. it's more surprising he was ever engaging in good faith because we know what his boss, his

bennie thompson will join me here tomorrow morning. there's a lot to discuss with chairman thompson including the active duty officer in the united states marines who was just arrested and charged for his role in the u.s. capitol attack including for allegedly assaulting police, obstruction and unlawful entry. new court filings reveal that the violet racist extremist group, proud boys, created a smaller group they call the ministry of self-defense which was tasked with planning and carrying out the group's activities at the capitol on january 6th. but according to the latest lies from the gop, those activities were the actions of peaceful tourists. >> it was trump supporters who lost their lives that day, not trump supporters who were taking the lives of others. >> my constituents demand answer. the truth is being censored and covered up. the dodge is harassing peaceful patriots across the country. >> so, was january 6th an insurrection or could it be more described as a mob of misfits. >> there was no insurrection, to call it an insur

as you noted, due to the house homeland security chairman and ranking member, that's democrat bennie thompsoney're now putting forward this proposal they say will be a true bipartisan, independent, 9/11-style commission to investigate the deadly capitol riot we saw took place on january 6. what they're saying that this commission is going to do are a few key things. they're saying it's truly bipartisan, ten members, five per party, that they will have subpoena power if both sides agree, and they'll be authorized to investigate the events of january 6 and the immediate effects of what led up to it. they're also going to be issuing a final report that will be due by the end of this year. this also comes as house minority leader kevin mccarthy says he didn't sign off on it even though he had authorized paco to negotiate with bennie thompson. >> we have to do better. we are a better country than this. and this commission is one of those ways to show how we can improve who we are as americans. it's a great democracy. but it's sometimes fragile. this commission, we believe, will get us back to wher

d.c., a tweet today, benny thompson, cosponsor of the legislation says he thinks that the gop minority leader has information that would damage republicans and that kevin mccarthy will do anything to stop it from getting out. let's hear from keith. keith is in madison, wisconsin, supports the effort. hello. caller: hello. yes, the people trying to draw the false comparison between black lives matter and antifa, they should put to rest. it's not doing their cause any good. it's pretty stupid to be making that comparison. host: why do you call it a false comparison? caller: why? people who break things and smash stuff up are responding to terror and they are justified in smashing stuff up. the way to fix that is to simply reform the police so they don't have the ability to kill black people with immunity and impunity. host:4 >> "the wall street journal" is live every day at -- "washington journal" is live every day at 7:00 a.m. eastern. we'll leave this to continue our 40-plus year commitment of live

womack: let me remind the gentleman that the work of john katko on our side and bennie thompson on your side was absolutely bipartisan. it was a give and take for both sides. when the final vote was taken yesterday, yeah, there were only 35 republican vode votes, but i think that would qualify as a bipartisan vote yesterday. so to categorically suggest to the people that might be listening or watching today that that was one-sided was certainly inaccurate. and i agree with my friend from washington that we need a better idea of how we are going to spend money before we do what washington always does and that's just throw a lot of money at the problem. -- naturally i rise in opposition of this partisan security supplemental. certainly not bipartisan in its workup because there hasn't been any negotiation as we saw with mr. thompson and mr. katko yesterday. now, i believe, this is just my opinion, i believe that one of the biggest failures that led to what happened on 1/6 was a failure to act on intelligence that we knew. that's why i supported that bipartisan commission. because i wanted

here is benny thompson who negotiated this agreement speaking about this particular slice of this. >> we met republicans at just about every step of the way. kevin mccarthy was kept informed and for four months we worked through this. i'm very optimistic. my humble opinion is that there is some information that he would glean troubling for the republican party if it got out. i think he will do everything possible to prevent that. >> the chairman's opinion is fairly widespread among democrats. even among republicans there is some acknowledgment that a commission report coming out late this year or early next year keeps them talking about an objective that is terrible for the party and not conducive to the republicans taking back the house next november. >> historically independent investigations are different as the 9/11 commission proved, different from what multiple does history deserve that kind of reckoning? >> not just history, but we all deserve it. even if you look at a national security investigation, this was an attack on congress and the u.s. capitol. the vice president and s

he and bennie thompson introduced this. and i think it's going to be hard for katco to walk back. >> what does it tell you about kevin mccarthy, that he's standing in the way of this now? >> i think this is a sad chapter for mencht it's like my chapter 7, the incredible shrinking congress. even in the republican caucus in the house, you can see all the fractures, the -- and this is just another example. kevin mccarthy, he would have to agree, has taken some contradictory positions since he's become the minority leader in the house, and this is just another one. and the influence of the trump support in the republican caucuses is enormous, and what you were reporting on in new york yesterday just adds to the anxiety, you would think, by the forter president. >> i think kevin mccarthy probably agrees and disagrees with your last statement in true kevin mccarthy form. >>> i want to ask you about your book which has a terrific title. what does the biden administration do to avoid mistake use think have been made in the past? >>

the ranking members worked out this deal with chairman benny thompson and it is a bipartisan deal. mccarthy sent a letter to spe speaker pelosi with all these demands that were dnecessary in order to win his support, a number of commissioners and subpoena power and on and on. we met all these conditions. all the things that kevin mccarthy wanted included in this compromise. and yet to everybody surprise, maybe not everybody surprise, he came out and said he was against it. the only reasonable conclusion is he's afraid of donald trump and he does not want to offend him or disinvited to mar-a-lago, it is sad and pathetic and getting to the truth matters here. i was there. i walked down to the speaker lobby and saw this mad mob breaking the glass. there were republicans there as well. my hope is that my fellow republicans will stand up to the bully in mar-a-lago and do the right thing and get to the truth. the american people deserve the truth. >> i think it is important by what you pointed out. you met all the demands in the letter. and now still, he says no. you know i want to ask y

. >> the democrat who propose this 9/11 style commission to investigate this, benny thompson.essman, chairman, thank you so much for joining us. what is the goal of this commission and do you believe you can change the minds of republicans after this commission is assembled? >> well, obviously the sgoel to get to the facts and circumstances that brought about january 6th insurrection. we hope hiring professional staffs and looking at the fact and circumstances and get to the root of what happened. ultimately recommend to see that does not happen again. s >> do you have any indication whether kevin mccarthy will sign off on this? >> no, i don't. i know up until the filing of the bill he was kept informed as to what was going on just like every one in leadership. it was the worse kept secret in washington is that democrats and republicanss was trying to craft a commission document that we could all vote on and ultimately we did that on friday. i'm excited about it. the notion that democrats and republicans, for once, can get together on something so important as preserving our d

i have to give credit to individuals like congressman papco who's with chairman benny thompson who workedan committee, bipartisan agreement as to what this commission should look like. i am hopeful that there are other individuals within the party, republican party who want to get to the truth and steadier heads will rule the day over those spending most of their time in mar-a-lago on getting their marching orders from former president trump. >> i am sure you have heard about this or maybe you have witnessed some of this stuff. republicans are spreading this big lie, marjorie taylor greene is confronting lawmakers in the capitol. matt gaetz is being investigated for alleged sex crime. how is congress supposed to get anything done with these kinds of antics and distractions? >> thankfully there are a greater majority of individuals who are working for the people that elected them than some of these clowns that are representing i don't know who in washington in the form of matt gaetz and marjorie taylor greene. even those individuals on the republican side who really want to get things done

out the details with his democratic counterpart on the homeland security committee congressman bennie thompsonpi. when they came to an agreement, kevin mccarthy knifed john katko in the back. he said he would not support the bill and urged his caucus to do the same. congressman katko was left alone to defense himself and the bill from the false attacks coming from within his own party. >> another charge i heard was that the commission could be controlled by partisan staff hired unilaterally by the commission chair. that's not true. the commission creates the rules as a team. then they hire as a team. lastly, there's been some concern or arguments made about the criminal investigation. make no mistake, this commission has nothing to do with the criminal investigations. this commission, by law, cannot interfere with criminal investigations. >> today, kevin mccarthy took the backstabbing further, calling the deal that congressman katko negotiated for him, the democrats' commission. >> this pelosi commission that we tried to work on -- remember i asked pelosi for one on january 13th. she spent fou

house homeland security security benny thompson reached a deal with the ranking member of the committeeld investigate the events on january 6th. i want to talk about what they agreed to. one of the details is a ten-member panel half-appointed by democratic congressional leaders, including the charir ad half of the relative humidity leaders including the vice chair. the panel would have the power to issue subpoena duces tecum if signed off by the chair and vice chair. the commission would be tasked with issuing the final report by the end of this year, which would make it a quick time line for the panel to put on the final product. look. after the agreement was agreed to yesterday, a reporter spoke with mccarthy, house minority leader, kevin mccarthy on what he thought of this. he said he is still reviewing it and has not signed off. that is not stopping house speaker nancy pelosi putting this on the floor next week and she is having the house vote on a bill to create this commission as well as a $2 billion supplemental funding bill to increase capitol security because of the emvents of

is huge news that came out of the house this week, house chairman homeland security chairman bennie thompsonhat just played a clip and they reached a deal on the 9/11-style commission that would investigate the details of january 6th. this is a huge breakthrough. this comes after months of installed negotiations between house speaker nancy pelosi and house leader kevin mccarthy. i want to go over what's a part of the commission. we're expecting the commission to approve a ten-member panel, half approved by leaders including the chair. and half by republicans including a vice chair. they have the power to sign off. the chair is going to be a democrat, the vice chair a republican and issuing the final report by the end of this year making it a quick time line for the panel to put out its final product. you know, this is huge news. both had to make concessions. you mentioned that house minority leader kevin mccarthy had not been aware of the deal, or had not signed off on it yet. but we're expecting the house to vote next week, pelosi announced that would happen. as well as a $2 billion funding

that we do have some republicans as in the ranking member who's willing to partner with chairman benny thompson, sort of a 9/11 commission that's equally divided and we'll be able to see what were the factor that is created an insurrection on our democracy. and be able to make recommendations and work with those federal agencies that are doing ongoing investigations to say there was no violence there. we know people die that day. over 100 officers were injured and police officers battled for four or five hours trying to keep the capitol safe. and, it is just -- that's the reason we continually have to have these discussions. because we have members on the republican side who continue to gaslight and lie about what happened. if they would in fact say what happened, we could have the commission do their work and move onto the people of america's business. but, because we have a leader like kevin mccarthy and others too afraid to stand up to donald trump who does not want us to continue to discuss what happened on january 6th because he was the person who led the insurrection. he was the person wh

this commission that john and benny thompson negotiated, i think, is actually very similar. almost identical to the bill john catco and 28 other republicans introduced six days after january 6th. so, i think republicans are in a pretty good place here in terms of what was negotiated. it's even steven in terms of the number of the commission, subpoena power is there for both sides. and all that can be done with a majority vote. i think this is a good thing. it's all about, i think, fear of members being exposed legally to answer uncomfortable questions in this rather public setting. all this stuff about, oh, we have other committees looking at this. the same thing happened with benghazi. you had multiple committees looking at that and then republicans established a select committee to look at benghazi to consolidate one committee to really take charge of this whole situation. i think that's the same thing hang here with the january 6th commission. >> one of the reasons kevin mccarthy opposed it, he said the duplicative. to the question of the senate, congressman, do you expec

that's what ranking member katco and chairman bennie thompson spoke on and they can't take yes for an answer. >> it's interesting. some are saying why bother having republicans help with this? a former staffer on the hill who's left the party said asking republicans to investigate january 6th is like asking al qaeda investigate 9/11, people who help and promoted shouldn't be helping in the investigation. is that right? >> we want bipartisanship and the country. in order to bring the country along, we think a bipartisan call should be called. these would be independent experts, civil rights, law enforcement, specific individuals who can help us ascertain what happened on january 6th, what led up to it, and how the big lie that the president put forward and continues to advocate, how that perpetuated what happened on january 6th. >> does kevin mccarthy need to testify under oath? >> well, i would leave that to a commission who would have bipartisan subpoena power, again, another thing republicans asked for and they received. but it does beg the question, what is he afraid or? >> would y

they voted in a bipartisan bill between bennie thompson from mississippi, a democrat and a moderate republican from new york. this shows momentum going to the united states senate. i disagree with some of your analysts. i'm a midwesterner, and i'm optimistic about the country. i believe that the senate can work with this and i believe we will come up with ten votes to get this created. >> that was my next question. why do you think that? just because of everything you said or you want the go deeper? >> well, i have talked to some of the staffs, and the senators, and talked to a ton of house members and republicans. thing is a conscience there, don, that people are worried about our government being attacked. this reminds a lot of people of the terrorist attack on 9/11. we didn't have foreign terrorists this time. these were americans killing americans, attacking our law enforcement, threatening the vice president, threatening the speaker, chasing custodians and staffers around the capitol with flags and sharp objects and threatening to spray and kill them. this is a serious attack on our gover

commission is necessarily going to have strong bipartisan support but i think the hope is that bennie thompson up with the structure so that that can be put to a vote, perhaps as soon as this week or next week in order to move forward on a 9/11 style commission. whether it gets republican votes or not is completely unclear, but at least it would be able to, at some level, kind of move -- begin to move the process forward. i think it's really important, both for the healing of the congress but also for the nation, for us to really understand exactly what happened and what needs to change. you know, the one benefit you know of the 9/11 commission is there were a whole set of recommendations that came out of that process so we can make sure that we at least did what we could to not have another 9/11, and that needs to come out of this process because there are so many things that we still don't know about what took place, what the planning was, and how to move forward from trump and hopefully a commission of this sort would get to that, but it's going to be a slow-going process to get something t

john katko secured this deal with benny thompson, the chair of the commit and ever since house minority leader kevin mccarthy and whip steve scalise made it clear they don't want their members to support it it seems the republican members inclined to vote yes are starting to peel away and the big question is what happens when it comes to the senate side? it's a much higher bar. it would require ten republicans to vote yes. the fact that mitch mcconnell is now out saying he opposes the bill makes its pass and much more unlikely. some republicans are talking about making twheeks to the bill and then perhaps they will support it, but right now, jake, this bill seems as though it's in big trouble of being eventually fully passed into law. >> so ryan, what happens -- what happens next? if democrats get this through the house but they don't get ten republicans in the senate so they can't pass it through the senate. what will speaker pelosi do? >> well, she has options, jake, and at this point she's not saying specifically what her plans are, but take a listen to what she just told a group of

. >> rachael bade, benny thompson, chairman of the homeland security committee, he zeroed in on whate believes may be the motivation for mccarthy here. and that is his fear of being called to testify and speak to, for instance, as poppy was saying, his conversations with trump in the middle of this. how much of this is self-protective from the republican leader? >> i mean, a lot of it. clearly, mccarthy being subpoenaed by a potential commission and being forced to sort of recount that conversation with trump that was key to the impeachment inquiry, the impeachment trial in the senate would not be good for mccarthy. trump doesn't want him to talk about this. and just going back to this predicament he is in. he not only tapped john katko to negotiate this deal. he also -- his office was also in touch with katko. they gave him a whole list of things that katko was supposed to secure and katko was able to do it and still he -- there's no commission, i think, if they gave him 100% of what he wanted, he still wouldn't be able to support it and still maintain the support of trump. again, g

democratic party negotiator on the deal, the chairman of the house homeland security committee, bennie thompson

investigate the attack on the capital was the result of bipartisan negotiations between democrat bennie thompson and republican john katko. >> the american people. the capitol police deserve answers and action as soon as possible to ensure that nothing like this ever happens again. 5 deaths resulted from the attack, including the death of a capitol police officer. the family of another officer who later died by suicide supports the creation of the commission and said in a statement that every officer who worked that day as well as their families should have a better understanding of what happened. the proposal would appoint 5 democrats and 5 republicans to the commission and give them both subpoena power but house republican leader kevin mccarthy said he's against the commission's saying if it's created, it should also investigate violence during black lives matter protests. former president donald trump released a statement calling the proposal for a commission, a trap and on wednesday, republican senate leader mitch mcconnell said he's also opposed a major decision to oppose the house democrat

benny thompson, curious is this commission going to come together?. capitol in realtime? >> well, i think it will come together. i think it's a matter of process. we'll take it up today on -- at the house we will make sure that we get a good vote. it will go to the senate. i'm optimistic at the senate. this is something, mika, that we have to have. you saw like millions of others what happened on january 6th. we're a better country than this, and one of processes to get better is to make sure that we look at it and come back with reasonable finding. we met republicans at just about every step of the way. kevin mccarthy was kept informed. and for four months john katko and myself worked through this. so i'm very optimistic. i look forward to debate and discussion ultimate vote on the floor today. >> congress woman spanberger, it's willie geist. good to have you on this morning. i'm curious what you think the fact that they're whipping votes on the republican side to vote against this. first of all, is there any jeopardy that this does not pass through

john catco, republican, ranking member of the committee and benny thompson worked together to come toipartisan conclusion. you'll see it, if it is 30 to 50, i don't know if that's the case, but if it is 30 to 50 republicans, clearly that is an indication that this was a successful effort to reach a bipartisan that gave mcconnell and mccarthy exactly what they wanted in terms of the makeup of the commission and equal authority on subpoena power. it's unfathomable how they would with any integrity -- >> the report from manu raju, if this does not go through with the creation of the committee, the select committee would be the fallback for the house. you said you would support that as well. considering what we just watched a few days ago, oversight committee with the whitewashing and revisionist history, if the members who are appointed to this select committee are continuing that line, what is your degree of confidence that the select committee would get to the crucial questions and answers the american people want? do you think that would get what people need to know? >> i do. i believ

plus, congressman benny thompson on his built to begin the january 6th commission over republicans keepingroe v. wade in the supreme court takes up a huge abortion rights case. >> i think the likelihood of roe v. wade being overturned is

did you know that benny thompson, homeland security chair, and the republican ranking member came together, at least on the vision. and today they have this announcement, a commission, no current government officers or employees may serve to give it extra independence. members will have significant experience in cybersecurity, of course in law enforcement, intel and civil rights, an issue we discussed on this broadcast regarding how law enforcement dealt with those particular rioters. this will have subpoena power, so that makes it legally potent. it will issue a report by the end of the year. now four months after january 6th, we have seen why this matters. you hear this a lot in washington where people want to quote, unquote move on. it is usually a bad sign. but government has to deal with big things that happen in the past, obviously. and, yet, republicans have said not only move on, but move on while they lie about what happened, down playing what the rioters did. take a look. >> and we have to establish a commission for january 6th. why? it was just a normal tourist day. the denial a

person responsible for this bipartisan agreement, the chairman of the homeland security committee, benny thompsonan? >> that was house speaker nancy pelosi talking about the proposal for the january 6 commission that democrats and republicans negotiated at the request of house republican and democratic leadership. she's saying that republicans got nearly all the requirements that they asked for in that proposal. a republican leadership decided they weren't going to support it. we'll keep an eye on that, but still ahead, new information on an nbc news exclusive. >>> migrant children left overnight on buses. the white house now said to be, quote, livid. >>> we have new exclusive data that highlights the impact the pandemic has had on working women. >> everyone's mental health has taken a toll, i think especially parents feel like there's no good choices for us. we just have to choose from a series of possibly bad choices. s but if you're experiencing leg pain, swelling, or redness, don't wait to see your doctor. these could be symptoms of deep vein thrombosis, a blood clot which could travel to you

more members on this commission than republicans and ultimately chairman of homeland security, benny thompsonnegotiated a deal where it's 50/50 like previous commissions of its type. it's interesting that mccarthy is not taking the "w." he's not taking the win here. and, look, i don't know what's motivating kevin mccarthy but just looking at it, just as an historical matter, kevin mccarthy and steve scalise and the new conference chair, elise stefanik, all three of them spread the big lie about the election. all three of them voted to disenfranchise voters after the insurrection. all three of them signed on to the deranged texas attorney general lawsuit that would have thrown out four states' electoral votes. so, i mean, they are one way or another, complicit in the big lie that was part of the insurrection, part of what fueled the attack. i can only say as a human being, if somebody attacked my workforce, i would want to know every single thing about it, whether it reflected poorly or favorably on anyone. i would want to know what happened. and to a degree, that is the workplace for all of u

now, you have congressman katko who is the minority leader mccarthy to negotiate with chairman bennie thompson, to come up with the commission. they gave everything that mccarthy wanted. it gave them everything. the commission would be split, democrats and republicans, more importantly, and the democratic chairman in the republican vice chairman would have to agree on subpoenas, if subpoenas were going to be issued. those are two huge things. and yet, katko cuts it with this deal, and then mccarthy rips the rug out from under him. in the end, well -- they are afraid of donald trump. he is afraid of donald trump. donald trump doesn't want this commission to happen. he thinks it's all a witch hunt and a fraud, and whatever else excuse is going to come up to throw sand in the gears of the investigation that's going to show his culpability and inciting those people to ransacked the capital, in order to overthrow the will of the american people. with the electoral college vote been certified. mccarthy, i don't understand -- actually, i do understand what was going on with him and why he had the sud

there's a federal investigation into the january 6th insurrection along with three suits filed by benny thompsonwalwell and two capitol police officers. there's the possible exposure trump still faces on obstruction from the mueller probe as well as possible exposure into the investigation of rudy giuliani over ukraine. joining me is joyce vance, former u.s. attorney and paul butler, former federal prosecutor. joyce, i'll start with you on this. it's a cornucopia of potential legal trouble for donald trump. what does it normally take for a probe to go from being a civil case in the ag's office to being criminal? why would that change? >> so it's a simple matter of the evidence. the new york attorney general has broad jurisdiction to investigate civil matters, but she's very limited when it comings to criminal cases. we don't know exactly what the mechanism was to transform this into a criminal case, but, joy, to answer your question, it means in the course of looking at civil claims, she developed evidence that criminal conduct had occurred and so her case was converted over. >> paul, if the tru

have to give credit to individuals, like congressman who is the ranking member with chairman benny thompsonds up the homeland security committee. who have worked out a bipartisan committee -- a bipartisan agreement, as to what this commission should look like. and i am hopeful that there are other individuals, within the party, the republican party, who want to get to the truth. and, you know, steadier heads will -- will rule the day, over those who spend most of their time in mar-a-lago. getting their marching orders from former-president trump. >> well, let's talk about -- i'm sure you have heard about this. maybe, you've even witnessed some of this stuff. republicans are spreading this big lie. marjorie taylor greene is running amuck. that's why i said you may have witnessed some of it. confronting lawmakers, right, in the capitol. matt gaetz is being investigated for alleged-sex crimes. how is congress supposed to get anything done with these kinds of antics? these distractions? >> well, thankfully, there are a greater majority of individuals who are actually working for the people that

here's mississippi congressman benny thompson who helped broker the deal to create the commission. >> affront to our democracy. with some exception, the majority of people in this country don't want to ever see that again. that's why this bipartisan commission composed of experts in various areas will get us a document we hope to codify and make laws from. just like we did the 9/11 commission. >> joining me now mbs nbc legal contributor and trial attorney katie fang. as you well know some republicans in deep denial of what happened on january 6th. take a listen. >> the truth is being censored and covered up. as a result the doj is harassing peaceful patriots across the country. >> was january 6 an insurrection or a mob of misfits? >> there was no insurrection. if you didn't know the tv footage is january 6 you would think that it was a normal tourist visit. >> it is wild because we all watched this happen. so then how will the capitol riot commission help set the record straight? >> that is the challenge. right? it is like giving the keys to the prison to the inmates if you think abou