but if aoc and bernie sanders are going to run their party that is not my fault. i'm not even sure bernie sanders is a registered democrat. >> the president does not agree to what you want are you willing to blow past -- >> first of all, the premise of your question is wrong. when have i ever said you have to agree to one hundred% of what i want to? all i said to the president from february 1st, let's talk. there's only a couple things i will not do. i will not raise taxes because we are bringing more revenue in even to the gdp, not just the 60 year average but the history of america. only two other times have we brought in 20% of the gdp, 1934-2000. i will not put a clean debt ceiling on the floor. why? we spent more than we ever spent before and have the highest debt we ever had before. i don't think that's right. let me finish the question. everything else is on the table. for 97 days he wouldn't talk to me so we passed the bill. we are not getting everything in our bill. i'm negotiating with the president, we passed the bill to raise the debt ceiling. if i did

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i'm not even sure bernie sanders are a registered democrat. reporter: if the president doesn't agree to exactly you what want, are you willing to blow past the -- mr. mccarthy: ok, first of all, the prep i was your question is all wrong -- premise of your yes is all wrong. when i have ever said you have to agree to 100% of what i want? all i've said to the president from february 1, let's talk. there's only a couple things i will not do, mr. president. i will not raise taxes. why? because we are bringing more revenue in, even to the g.d.p., not just to the 50-year average, but the history of america. only two other times have we brought in 20% of the g.d.p. 1944 and 2000. i will not put a clean debt ceiling on the floor. why? because we've spent more than we've ever spent before and we have the highest debt than we ever had before. i just don't think that's right. let me finish the question. then i said to the president, but everything else is on the table. from 97 days he wouldn't talk to me. so we passed a bill. we're not getting everything

i've never seen bernie sanders miss a beat. i can't say the same thing for president biden. haven't seen donald trump mississippi, but if you're looking out there and you're due to become an advisor, either to how that by an administration can you know, well, position itself right now, given these doubts and concerns that he may not be there and his number to is a very, very unpopular vice president right now, combo harris. what, what is the, how do you look at the field right now when it comes to age, when it comes to competence? when it comes to options to this is gonna be a very different election cycle than the last one. buy a new list, the sites that the joe biden will have to be aggressively campaigning. and away he wasn't. this would be really, really cool. if it's president trump, i can put him on the line that i'm working this. yeah. and they're going to say that i have to parents on how to 00. you ahead. he would. it requires more physicality. steve, you're gonna have to get out and you have to cold campaign in advance to get to move around the country in a way tha

and so i get a kick out of bernie sanders because he's so rigid and one time you know when he was running for i got a ten minute interview with him and it happened to be valentine's day and so i said mr. sanders did you get your wife something for valentine's day and he began yelling at me, valentine's day, it's not important, you know, the is important or whatever. health care is important. stop talking nonsense. so i always thought it would be really funny to go bernie sanders and then ask him a bunch of super frivolous questions. so he wanted to push his bill and it was very detailed. and so we go to vermont we had our frivolous questions ready and we asked him what he thought of britney spears and do lip he gets this piece of paper out of his where he's written down all the important policy things. he's shoving it in face and she just like waving it. like britney spears. no, britney spears took a picture of it and it went, yeah, but at least now i know what bernie sanders thinks of britney spears. yeah, it was a little disorienting running maureen's twitter account because has, like,

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i can't help it is more of party of bernie sanders.en -- bernie sanders is not the head of the party. when have i ever said -- the only thing i have ever said to the president that there are only a few things they will not do. i won't raise taxes. we are bringing in more revenue in the history of america. only two other times have we brought in 20% of the gdp. 1944, 2000. i will not put a clean debt ceiling on the floor because we spent more than we ever spent before. i just don't think that's right. and then i said to the president, everything else is on the table. for 97 days he would not talk to me so we passed a bill. we are not getting everything in our bill. i am negotiating with the president, we pass the bill that raise the debt ceiling. i am sitting and sending our negotiation team, their team is highly respected. they know this house and senate well. i didn't win speaker on the first vote. it took 15 rounds. i think we are stronger for it. we don't solve this problem on the first day. it took us 97 days. >> they said the conc

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and joining now on booktv from the tucson festival of books is senator bernie sanders of vermont. thank you. yeah, his most recent book is it's okay be angry about capitalism senator. what's your definition of capitalism. well, what this book is about is a nation which is moving to open capitalism where motivated by incredible greed, we now have more income and wealth inequality than we've had in the history of our country we have three people owning more wealth than the bottom half of american society in america. today, we have more of ownership. we're in sector after sector, agriculture, financial services, fewer and fewer huge corporations control what we purchase. we have a political system which is increasingly corrupt because as a result, citizens united, billionaires are now able to spend unlimited amounts of money buying and selling politicians and all of that. all we are moving toward an oligarchic form of society, something we have got to reject and to fight back against. so when when it comes to itself, are you an anti-capitalist. so if you want to go out, start a busin

and joining now on booktv from the tucson festival of books is senator bernie sanders of vermont. thank you. yeah, his most recent book is it's okay be angry about capitalism senator. what's your definition of capitalism. well, what this book is about is a nation which is moving to open capitalism where motivated by incredible greed, we now have more income and wealth inequality than we've had in the history of our country we have three people owning more wealth than the bottom half of american society in america. today, we have more of ownership. we're in sector after sector, agriculture, financial services, fewer and fewer huge corporations control what we purchase. we have a political system which is increasingly corrupt because as a result, citizens united, billionaires are now able to spend unlimited amounts of money buying and selling politicians and all of that. all we are moving toward an oligarchic form of society, something we have got to reject and to fight back against. so when when it comes to itself, are you an anti-capitalist. so if you want to go out, start a busin

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the pivot has really been after bernie sanders had his press conference.esident pivoted back. he actually proposed spending billions more next year than we spend this year. the president's budget actually proposes spending more money than we spent at the height of the pan chem you can. we just can't -- pandemic. we just can't afford to keep borrowing from china, be more dependent and create more inflation. i do not think it's extreme that we say we should spend less than we spent this year, we should pull back the unspent money from covid. we talk about work requirements that actually bring people to the jobs. the president voted for this as a senator, president clinton the signed it. every statistical data shows that it helps people get jobs. and we're only talking about able-bodied people who have no dependents. they could be going to school, they don't have to work. let's help people get jobs to help our supply chain. the president wants to borrow more money from china to the pay people the stay home. and we're talking about cutting the red tape so we c

but if aoc and bernie sanders i going to run their party, that's not my fault. not sure bernie sanders is a registered democrat. >> if the president does not agree to exactly what you want, are you willing to blow past -- >> first of all, your premise is all wrong. when have i ever said you have to agree to 100% of what i want? all i have ever said to the president, from february 1st, let's talk. there's only a couple things i will not do, mr. president. i will not raise taxes. why? because we are bringing more revenue in, even to the gdp, not just in the 50-year average, but the history of america. only two other times have we do that. i will not put a clean debt ceiling on the floor. why? because we have spent more than we ever spent before. we have the highest debt than before. i don't think that's right. let me finish the question. then i said to the president, everything else is on the table. for 97 days he wouldn't talk to me. we passed a bill. we're not getting everything in our bill. i'm negotiating with the president. we passed a bill that raised the de

even sure bernie sanders is a registered democrat >> mr.aker, if the president does not agree to exactly what you want, are you ready to blow past -- >> okay, first of all, the premise of your question is all wrong. when have i ever said you have to agree to 100% of what i want? all i've said to the president from february 1, let's talk. i will not raise taxes why? because we are bringing more revenue in, even to the gdp, not just to the 50-year average but the history of america only two other times have we brought in 20% of the gdp, 1944 and 2000 i will not put a clean debt ceiling on we've spent more than ever before and have the highest debt than ever before i don't think that's right let me finish the question and then i said to the president, but everything else is on the table. for 97 days he wouldn't talk to me so we passed the bill. we're not getting everything in our bill i'm negotiating with the president. we passed a bill that raised the debt ceiling if i did what you're saying, we wouldn't be talking, but i sit and i am sitting

he is the head democrat, but if aoc and bernie sanders i'm not even sure bernie sanders is a registered the president does not agree to exactly what you want, are you willing to blow past this? >> first of all, you're premising your questions all wrong. when have i said you have to agree to 100% of what i want? all i have ever said to the president from february 1st, let's talk. there's only a couple things i will not do, mr. president. i will not raise taxes. why? because we are bringing more revenue in even to the gdp, not just to the 50-year average but the history of america. only two other times have we brought in 20% of the gdp. i will not put a clean debt ceiling on the floor. why? because we have spent more than we have ever spent before and we have the highest debt than we have before. i just don't think that's right. let me finish the question. is and then i said to the president, but everything else is on the table. for 9 days he wouldn't talk to me. so he pass ed the bill. we're not getting everything in our bill. i'm negotiating with the president. we passed a bill that rai

vermont senator bernie sanders announced his latest push to raise the federal minimum wage. you can make it a 9 bucks an hour. you can't do it on 12 bucks an hour. we need an economy. >> it was all of our workers. earn. >> a living wage. sanders is now calling to raise the federal minimum wage over a five-year period to $17 an hour. 15 isn't even an but what we're going through today, the last minimum wage bill passed by congress was in 2008. you think it's time to raise it? i do. but opponents say raising the minimum wage will kill small businesses and spike inflation. most the data shows the minimum wage does not have a great track record of reducing poverty employment policies. institute executive director michael saltsman says even a $15 minimum wage could lead to job loss. if you do this nationwide, businesses aren't going to have that option to expand a lower cost areas. and so i think and said, i think you're going to see a rash of business closures. texas senator john cornyn says because of different cost of living around the country, washington shouldn't even be inv

that's bernie sanders.ears bernie has wanted to tax the rich he would never tell us how much he wants to take. for the first time ever, bernie was completely honest. listen. >> sir, you are saying that billionaires should not exist. are you basically saying that once you get to $999 million that the government should confiscate all the rest? >> i'm saying that we should go back to a very progressive tax policy like what we had under dwight d. highway hour. >> which would mean that over a billion dollars basically it all goes to the government? >> you may disagree with me, fine. yeah, i think people can make it on 9, you know, $99 million. i think that they can survive just fine. >> jesse: bernie wants to take every dollar out of a billion over the bank account and give it to the government. the same government that lost $80 billion of covid relief money. and is 30 trillion in debt? what could go wrong? but here's the thing. the billionaires just don't sit on the money and look at it. they spend it, they inv

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>> jessica: communism, bernie sanders, democratic party? or do you want me to go? he same. >> jessica: the pooh-pooh platter. i've never been the biggest bernie gal. i hundred 70,000, it's better when you lead with the three homes. he believes in capitalism. he thinks millionaires and billionaires need to pay more of their fair share. >> greg: he shifted to his attack on billionaires after he became the millionaire. >> judge jeanine: that is so true. a socialist is simply capitalist who hasn't come into money yet and that's my bernie is constantly changing. millionaire to billionaire. this guy promoted himself as a democrat socialist in 2015 and 16 and talked about how venezuela was so great and how we could be venezuela purity had it on his united states senate website. he wrote a book included that. he is just an anti-guy. just a negative anything, everything. >> greg: what do you think, martha? >> martha: you know, i mean he is very much in favor of increasing taxes and government growing and growing and growing and taking four of everything people's lives and as

amy: bernie sanders versus presidential candidate hillary clinton.ave the late celebrity chef anthony bourdain who once said -- "once you've been to cambodia, you'll never stop wanting to beat henry kissinger to death with your bare hands. you will never again be able to open a newspaper and read about that treacherous, prevaricating, murderous scumbag sitting down for a nice chat with charlie rose or attending some black-tie affair for a new glossy magazine without choking. witness what henry did in cambodia -- the fruits of his genius for statesmanship -- and you will never understand why he's not sitting in the dock at the hague next to milosevic." those were the words of anthony bourdain. i want to get your comment on this, greg, and then nick turse. >> again, cambodia, the centrality of cambodia in this transitional prevent of u.s. national security state and its importance, the human damage and because of pain and suffering as overwhelming to think about. but more stepping back and thinking about its role in the kind of trajectory of u.s. power

to the bernie sanders and aoc's of the world. view is he's willing to tank the economy because he is unwilling to give even a penny in the trillions of new spending that is because the emplacements hurting americans all across the country. it is a blatantly unreasonable position yet he nonetheless smiles and blames the other si side. shannon: is that fair to -- he raised eyebrows was a republicans would let the academy default damage they did not with him to get reelected but what they are for you to say he is willing to tank the economy? >> yes it is. because there's one person on planet earth with the power to ensure we do not have a default for each displayed a moment ago's name is joseph biden junior. a responsible president would have stood up at that press conference and said understand and hear me now. the united states of america will never ever ever default on our debts to pay the interest of our debts for the president can say that. why can he say that? he can say that because every month revenue from federal taxes exce

bernie sanders trying over the weekend to offer the solution.e all at once, the president says debt ceiling clean, but if you want to talk about budget cuts after, first raise the debt limit, we can talk about the budget. bernie sanders say let's combine the two. >> i think we can start negotiating tomorrow but you cannot be holding the american people of the world's economy hostage. what the republicans have to say is absolutely, we are going to make sure that we pay our debts, let's sit down and negotiate a budget. >> the question is that's -- if everybody stays in their current position that's the only way to do if biden won't negotiate the debt ceiling, speaker mccarthy can't do it separately. it would have to be done on two pieces of paper but done at the same time, right? >> yeah, but then you have to agree to do the thing that's getting around the agreement that's an agreement in itself. it's no big deal if -- >> no wonder the people out there think this town is nuts. >> but it does seem like, you know, we can get lost in the washington s

but if aoc and bernie sanders will run the party that's not my fault. not sure bernie sanders is a registered democrat. >> if the president is not willing to -- >> the premise of your question is all wrong. when have i ever said you have to agree to 100% of what i want? all i ever said to the president from february 1st, let's talk. there is only a couple things that i will not do, mr. president. i will not raise taxes. why? because we are bringing more revenue in even to the gdp. not just the 50 year average but the history of americament only two other times have we brought in 20% of the gdp. 1944 and 2000. i will not put a clean debt ceiling on the floor. why? because we've spent more than we've ever spent before and have the highest debt we've ever had before. i don't think it's right. let me finish the question. then i said to the president but everything else is on the table. for 97 days he wouldn't talk to me. so we passed a bill. we're not getting everything in our bill. i am negotiating with the president. we passed a bill that raised the debt

every single day. >> it's bernie sanders going to launch a campaign. ?t week talking to voters said that her vote before joe biden was specifically to stop donald trump. and she is going to vote for joe biden again because bernie sanders endorsed him. i said really? she said absolutely. so i do think that the biggest advantage the white house has. and they know it. probably says a prayer every night. >> that there is not a big primary challenge. because we have seen what happens historically when presidents have primary challenges. jimmy carter, george h. w. bush. it is tough for them in the general. >> but when you have to rely on this patchwork of constituencies, and we have to also remember the president biden won election in a really unique circumstance that were favorable to him. didn't have to be on the trail during the height of the pandemic. he was able to hold a small event, speak to union workers. do these events and campaign in a style that really worked for him. it's a different ball game this time around. >> yeah, and i don't know care if yo

but if aoc and bernie sanders is going to run their party, that's not my fault. registered democrat. >> and those two issues in which mccarthy suggested were concessions actually have been rejected by democrats who don't want to roll back federal spending and don't want to impose those work requirements. so just giving you a sign there of how far they have to go and they're facing pressure, republicans are, to hold the line in those spending talks. democrats too on the left, raising -- many members raising concerns about what they could concede and give kevin mccarthy. so lots of question marks here with the economy hanging in the balance, brianna. >> arlette, what does the white house think about the speaker saying the only concession he'll make is increasing the debt ceiling? >> well, brianna, sources tell us those comments from the house speaker have irked some here at the white house, especially after they had been describing these conversations on monday as being productive. but look, this really points to some of the frustration that's been bubbling up over

bernie sanders is above and beyond his mental capacity. i believe joe biden will note be on the ticket for democrats in 2024, i think the democratic party knows that and this is their strategy to gain sympathy for kamala harris from the american electorate. some stage between now and the election, joe biden will not be able to move forward and democrats are hoping the process will lead americans to be sympathetic for that process and engrateiate her to the party. >> griff: brandi, you heard senator coons say he was proud of the record of the vice president. i am at the border, unprecedented numbers, half of venezuela is about to pass and she is the border czar. is there an actual win for her in her term? >> i'm not even a republican, i want you to know what i'm about to say is coming through that lens. i will enjoy watching this play out because democrats are the party that pushed ide identity-ariannism. joe biden says i will have a woman be vice president and appoint a black woman to the supreme court. democrats have painted themselves in

joining us now is vermont senator bernie sanders.eading the push to invoke the 14th amendment as a way to end these crisis and all others like this. senator sanders is really nice to see you thank you for making time tonight. tell me your view of the practicality of the 14th amendment option, i feel like i understand the basic constitutional argument where i get stuck is the idea that this would go to court, and i feel like in court it would actually be a protracted, potentially economically damaging situation. or it would just go through the sort of conservative ringer at the supreme court, and come back out at the other side, that would be particularly helpful to this crisis. >> well rachel, my first thought is that we cannot succumb to the hostage taking of these extreme republicans. who are circumventing the normal appropriations process, and say hey, if you do not do what we want you to, do which is to make savage cuts to the needs of working people and low income people, we republicans are prepared to cause massive it cannot ma

. >> steve: speaking of lunch pail and unions and things like that bernie sanders was on yesterday onay shows. and he was talking a little bit about joe biden's chances in 2024. remember, he kicked off the campaign last week. and, as it turns out, bernie sanders, who is 81 years old, is not concerned about joe biden wants 80 years old currently when it comes to agility and stuff like that. joe biden is doing just fine. >> ainsley: is he very agile. >> steve: agility and acuity as well. joe biden is going to do fine as long as he doesn't forget his roots, which are blue collar. >> brian: forgets everything else. >> ainsley: here is bernie sanders over the weekend talking about joe biden. he is the trite candidate and senator chris coons on biden's run in 2024. >> i think the choice is pretty clear and that choice is biden. and, second of all, what i do believe is the democrats and the president have got to be stronger on working class issues. they have got make it clear that we believe in a government that represents all, not just the few. take on the greed of the insurance companies a

stuart: why is bernie sanders willing to negotiate on the debt when the president is not?uestion, and bernie sanders says well we can start negotiat ing tomorrow. here is the senator on cnn. >> we can move toward cutting military spending. i'm certainly open to demanding that the largest corporations in this country and the wealthiest people start paying their fair share of taxes and are willing to look at any other proposals a lot of waste within government. let's go after it. stuart: if he says that one more time. lauren: so to get bernie sanders and progressive democrats to the negotiating table you have to cut military spending and raise taxes on the rich. but look, at least he was open to talking. he admitted that. let's negotiate and this is where i want to start. let me take it from there. stuart: we've got to go so look at the market on this monday morning. here is how things are shaping up. some red ink but not much after the takeout of first republic. we'll be back with the opening bell. ♪ thinkorswim® by td ameritrade is more than a trading platform. it's an ent

. >> i thought your interview on sunday with bernie sanders was interesting for many reasons, but onedid say there are -- there is a lot of waste in government. and there are things that i would agree to cut. he also said raising taxes he wants. >> yeah. >> but you just heard ro khanna on with us last hour and he's a hard no. most people except for manchin are hard no. i just don't understand where on earth this goes, unless you can somehow politically make it look like a win for both. that's the only way to do it, right? >> that's it. you just nailed it. can you go down to washington and figure this out? >> no thanks. i'm good. >> no. that's exactly right. and when bernie sanders was on with me on "state of the union" most of the cuts that he said he would support were military spending -- >> which they won't do. >> things they won't do. yes, he said there is some waste. which i agree with you. that was a big deal for bernie sanders to say that. >> i was like, oh. >> yes, the democrats are saying we're a hard no. but these are lines in the sand that each side need to put down in a ve

host: senator bernie sanders, who had been advocating for higher minimum wage, will be talking about on capitol hill today. what is happening on a state level? guest: different states and localities are moving at different thresholds. in certain states like new york, california and massachusetts, they are pushing for higher than $15 an hour. in d.c., it is higher than that. i think around $60 50 cents with another step up in july. -- $16.50 with another step up in july. it means business owners must become more productive, it is another challenge. another variable for small business owners. our members are generally against substantial increases to minimum wage, you see proposals of $20 or more per hour that would be difficult in these economic conditions. we believe the local economic conditions are what should drive the minimum wage and, because business owners are competing for employees, it is above the federal standard in many states where does exist. host: we are taking questions and comments about small businesses in america, the u.s. economy. we have divided the lines by regi

bernie sanders following that on our air, watch. >> well he really rigs the dog. when bernie sanders, or aoc says something, the white house shifts the other way. i'm sorry, nobody believes in any household that you should spend more money. >> kevin mccarthy is now directly calling you out by name, just seconds, ago on fox news, for being the reason the discussion about this has broken. down your response? >> well, i doubt that very much, but to the degree that the white house says to these republicans, stop your hypocrisy, stop defending the billionaire class from paying their fair share of taxes while you want to cut programs that the elderly, the children, the sick, and the poor need. if i had any role in progressives, that's my great. >> listen, obviously things have changed since we heard from mccarthy and bernie sanders on their respective networks today. look, mccarthy had to praise the negotiators. he had nothing but good words for shull and a young, the omb director, -- president biden's longtime ally, the two people who were in the room on behalf of the

senator lindsey graham push by bernie sander to invoke the 14th mendment on the debt sealing.eses into the clinton's. and all of the controversy of biological males and women in sports we will talk to the fastest female in oregon who just beat the boy boys. stkwroeupb me at the top of the hour for "america reports." >> welcome back it's time for in case you missed it. a biden official cause red handed stealing womens luggage twice is arrested again. non binary was taken into custody by a fugitive of justice for alleged theft of luggage at reagan airport in jan. he escaped similar charges in minnesota. a fashion designer reports him losing luggage. it calls to me my tags this. is not yours. two, my clothes won't fit you. >> in this case they can going to make anything fit. how often do you have to steal instead of just buying womens clothes. there are plenty of places men can buy womens clothes. why not do that instead of stealing from women. you think would you take a hint this. must be a weird fetish for sam. the biden administration, a lot of winners formally employed there.