bill burns? yes, i know bill there is a i got acquainted with him where he was invested there us invested in moscow them during my so there is uh, this is through washington. i had a meeting in smithville veterans where he was very the head of uh, the state park. yeah. do you think? yeah, he's a sensible sort of person because what do you think of the fact that in britain, there politicians talking about the need to go to war, war with russia rather than presumably using ukraine is a proxy and the fact that other states in europe, but talking about the need to start, i don't know blowing of parts of russia as well. uh. you see, i don't understand the, uh, the whole of course uh the uh and by, uh, russian, uh, uh, so far the position of andre birds. and that is not the the, the is the secret is being uh like this for, for the kids for the 1st centers. uh so we have no illusions about the the position um, do you think bill barnes understands that? well bill barnes. uh, bill barrons. uh is uh, a diff

cia chief bill burns has come and visited you regularly. he was here recently. what did you tell him about your plans to take back territory in the counteroffensive? >> translator: to be honest with you, i was surprised to see the information in some media both in the u.s. and ukraine and european media. my communicaication with the ci chief should be behind the scenes, an immediate tension because we discuss important things, what ukraine needs and how ukraine is prepared to act. we don't have any secrets from cia because we have good relations, and our balance services talk -- intelligence services talk with each other. what were other contacts. i don't mean which media i read it in. the situation is pretty straightforward. we have good relations with the cia chief, and we are talking. i told him about all the important things related to the battlefield which we need. >> let's bring in kylie atwood at the state department. so a very notable dodge there on the thrust of erin's question. what do we know about this visit that the cia chief, big burns, made to ukr

bill burns? yes, i know bill there is a i got acquainted with him when he was invested. there us invested in law school them during my now. so there is, uh, this is the washington i had to meet in smithville veterans where he was buried to handle the stay in the park. yeah. do you think? yeah, he's a sensible sort of person because what do you think of the fact that uh, in britain there, uh, politicians talking about the need to go to wall out war with russia rather than presumably using ukraine is a proxy. and the fact that other states in europe, but talking about the need to start, i don't know, blowing up parts of russia as well. uh you see, i don't understand the purpose of well, uh, the whole of course uh the uh and by, uh, russian. uh uh, so for the position of upgrade version it is not the, the is not the secret is being uh like this for, for the kids for the 1st centers. uh so we have no illusions about the the position um do you think bill buns understands? uh well, bill barnes. uh bill barrons uh is uh a different story. the mail that i bought the bill barely

you think a bill burns might have been explaining just lensky way. obviously ukraine gone joining nato because that would mean article 5 would require a written and who knows who else to attack russia, as well as, as far as the visit, the bill burns the key and recently i've seen that uh yes. and as the i, i agree that the one of the, one of the points on the gym, that was the ukranian ukranian aspirations. as for uh, joining the alliance. i'm sure that the veterans uh, explain the current to us position and prospect. so ukraine in a mentor, a more i, i suspect that even in the united states, you respect people, these claims that we will support deeply or your brand as long as i mean, they understand that the, uh, the, the picture on the bed battlefield is not in favor of you. oh uh the is a very, very uh why of the size uh, actions as counter offensive or offensive. i don't understand why i found that are going to be gold counter offensive because russia does not. no. uh, impact. well uh, what is not offensive uh do they do for their opinions to a l

cia chief bill burns has come and visited you regularly, he was here recently.hat did you tell him about your plans to take back territory in the counteroffensive? >> translator: to be honest with you, i was surprised to see the information in some media both in the u.s. and ukrainian and european media. my communication with the cia chief should always be behind the scenes. and the media attention because we discuss important things, what ukraine needs and how ukraine is prepared to act, we don't have any secrets from cia because we have good relations and our intelligence services talk with each other. i don't know what were other contacts. i don't really remember which media i read it in. the situation is pretty straight forward. we have good relations with the cia chief and we are talking. i told him about all the important things related to the battlefield which we need. >> and you can watch erin's full interview with ukrainian president zelenskyy wednesday at 7:00 p.m. eastern. >>> now you heard president zelenskyy talking about his secret face to face mee

the bill burns the key and recently i've seen that uh yes. and this the, i agree that the one of the, one of the points on the gym that was the ukranian ukranian aspirations. as for uh, joining the alliance. i am sure that uh, there is uh, explain the current to us position and prospect. so ukraine in a may, the more i, i suspect that even in the united states, you respect people, these claims that they will support deeply or your brand as long as i mean, uh, they understand that the, uh, the, the picture on the bed battlefield is not in favor of you. oh uh the is a very, very uh why of the size, the actions as counter offensive or offensive. i don't understand why count that are going to be fully counter offensive because russia, uh, there's not, there's no impact. well, uh, was not offensive to the paintings. do a launch counter, think it's a rush or that has the counter offensive in effect, since the 2014 through this right then more over i think that the calendar friends are, will be launched by russian federation. i don't know where i'm

e of the russian federation e you know, you also published about this bill burns being the ambassador of e in russia in one of his telegrams i think found a very good expression that the desire of georgia and ukraine to join nato touches a bare nerve of russia well, probably well said, uh, and we must uh, we want to believe that these words will be heard today in washington, but in reality the situation is much worse than the times when kenan and bill burns wrote the american press today is filled with various kinds of russophobic publications, we are talking about a change of political life in russia about a change in the political regime. that's right, uh, published uh in the american media and speech we are talking about inflicting damage on us, exhausting the economy, inflicting a strategic defeat on the fronts. you know, yes, what is being said is that it is necessary in russia to select a place in the security council. and even then i read somehow that it is necessary to take away nuclear weapons, but i'm such a psycho, sorry. in what way did they not write there in this article

and it was their very first video posted to their telegram account, which bill burns pointed out yesterdayn a speech here in england that it got 2.5 million views in just the first week that it was posted. here's what burns said about this once in a generation recruitment opportunity. listen. >> disaffection with the war will continue to gnaw away at the russian leadership. underneath the steady diet of state propaganda and practiced repression. that disaffection creates a once in a generation opportunity for us at cia. at our core, a human intelligence service. we're not letting it go to waste. >> obviously, the cia had previously said that they have definitely gotten contacts. they wouldn't say, obviously, how many people have been recruited, though. i should also point out that accor according to u.s. official, bill burns has reached out to his russian counterpart, sergey niirishkin to stress that they had nothing to do with the attempt led by the wagner group. this is a thing he stressed in a speech in england, saying this is an internal affair in which the u.s. has had and will have n

what would you tell 25-year-old bill burns? dir. burns: i remember what my dad wrote to me when i was 25 years old and i was trying to figure out what i wanted to do with my professional life. one possibility was the foreign service. my dad wrote me a letter, which is kind of quaint, but that's what people did in those days. one line has always stuck with me, he said nothing can make you prouder than to serve your country with honor. he was a career on -- career army officer of whom i am deeply proud. it frightened me a little at the time, i never expected to still be in public service four decades later, but throughout those 40 years, every year, every job i have had i have learned the truth. in those words of advice. what i say to and teach it -- any 25-year-old is, public service is always going to have challenges. foreign service, cia, you are back and forth overseas and it poses challenges to families. you can ask my two daughters who are in their early 30's now, changing high schools when you are 16 is not fun. there are a lot

we're hearing about this trip with bill burns.washington post" was the first to report that ukraine had revealed to director burns this strategy, an ambitious one, to push moscow into talks by the end of this year. what else do we know about this trip? >> so, first about the visit itself. cia director bill burns was in ukraine last month in june, according to a u.s. official, not only meeting with ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy, but also with other ukrainian officials. according to "the washington post," in at least one of these meetings with ukrainian officials, the officials told burns about this plan, continue retaking territory and then force -- or rather enter negotiations, ceasefire, peace negotiations, with moscow by the end of the year. it seems this is an attempt to first keep retaking territory, as we see the counteroffensive making slow progress. but also then to enter negotiations from a position of power, to be on the stronger side, to have more leverage there by the end of the year. and it's apparent that th

>> first, about the visit itself, bill burns, director of cia, was in ukraine last month. according to a u.s. official, ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy and with officials. according to the washington post, at least one of these meetings with ukraine officials, the officials told burns about this plan, continuing to retake territory and force, rather entered negotiations and peace negotiations, for everyone to call them, with moscow by the end of the year. it seems this is an attempt to, i, rickie take territory as we see it making progress, but also enter negotiations from a position of power. to be on the stronger side, to have more leverage there by the end of the year. it is apparent that that is what ukraine is looking for in -- at least, that's a message they telegraph to bill burns while he was in ukraine. of course, that comes with challenges we just spoke about. that, at, least is an idea of what ukraine is looking at in terms of a grinding, slow, very difficult counteroffensive and, perhaps, a hint of how ukraine sees this and a. in terms of what those neg

bill burns saying that russia may be preparing a false flag attack on vessels in the black sea.ia could be looking to target civilian ships and also blame it on ukraine. russia's ambassador to the u.s. not surprisingly calling it pure fabrication. cnn's natasha bertrand is at the pentagon and has more on this. tell us what you are learning. i mean, hearing bill burns say this publicly is always noteworthy when it's coming from the cia director. what more are you learning about this? >> reporter: yeah, absolutely. this is part of a coordinated kind of messaging campaign that we have heard from u.s. officials in recent days, really warning that the russians might step up their attacks on civilian ships in the black sea ever since of course russia pulled out of its black sea grain deal which of course allowed for the safe passage of ships in the black sea so that these ships could actually get grain out of the ukrainian ports. now we're hearing from the cia director that they have intelligence that russia may be preparing to attack these ships in the black sea and trying to frame t

bill burning of zebra technology with customers including cvs, walgreens and lowe's bill, thank you forng here. >> frank, good morning >> bill, your company is increasing use of a.i. for a range of customers in retail and logistics and healthcare cvs and walgreens are just two how do you look at the announcement by the white house today? >> we have been using the a.i. technologies for some time across almost 50 applications. leveraging a.i. and everything from navigation withi within autonomous robots and allowing it to use character recognition and machine vision and product recognition. lots of traditional uses of a.i. used for some time now we continue to invest in product solutions to allow commercial to digitalize generative a.i. adds another dimension to that. allowing you to create and look at unstructured data and look at and generate working systems to the frontline workers. we think of empowering the frontline of businesses of what zebra does generative a.i. assists the worker and take the most experienced worker with the experience and knowledge they have and give it to a bro

cia chief bill burns has come and visited you regularly. he was here recently. him about your plans to take back territory in the counteroffensive? >> translator: to be honest with you, i was surprised to see the information in some media both in the u.s., ukrainian and european media. my communication with the cia chief should always be behind the scenes because we discuss important things, what ukraine needs. we don't have secrets from cia because we have good relations. our intelligence services talk with each other. i don't know what were other contacts. i don't really remember which media i read it in. the situation is pretty straightforward. we have good relations with the cia chief. i told him about all the important things related to the battlefield which we need. >> you can see the full interview with president zelenskyy on "erin burnett outfront" on wednesday night at 7:00 eastern here on cnn. >>> let's get more on this former national security council official, retired lieutenant colonel vin man. you heard president zelenskyy saying his talks with bil

moved to china bill burns is the former head of the cia uh the us ambassador in moscow and uh, the personbiden, because the biden. well, sometimes he can say that he is surrounded by incompetent blockheads, and anthony-blinke is still a diplomat, he is bound by the obligations, first of all , of diplomatic etiquette. that is, ritual dances of religion and international relations, and secondly, he is shackled by the diplomatic didactics of the united states. that is, he cannot even sneeze in china without mentioning the unfortunate uyghurs who languish in concentration camps , that is, they won’t understand him, it’s just that bill burns flew on a rose. e quiet, agreed on something. naturally. we do not know what the director of the cia was talking about with top chinese officials. well, the us treasury secretary, too, apparently flew quietly to agree on in china, janet yen first of all met with american businessmen working in china, she assured them for a long time that it was impossible to break the economic ties between washington and beijing, because then a global financial catastrophe

official, bill burns reached out to his russian counterpart to say that the u.s.ng to do with the insurrection in russia that we saw a few weeks ago. we have seen previously american diplomatic efforts to do the same with their russian counterparts, with a similar message. the kremlin, though, has yet to comment on this. >> all right. thanks so much, scott mclane in london. appreciate it. so for more analysis, we're joined by nigel gould davis. thanks so much for being here with us. first of all, cnn spoke with you over a week ago, i guess, as all of this, the wagner insurrection was unfolding. could you ever have guessed that this was how it would all play out? >> the events over the past week have been extremely unpredictable and there's still a great deal we don't know about them. and in particular, the circumstances in which the acute crisis was suddenly defused. a bargain appears to have been struck under conditions of extreme pressure, and maybe we can talk a bit more about that. but what's clear is that this is a tectonic moment in russian history. and even

what do you make of this analysis from the cia director bill burns?utin be biding his time against prigozhin? we kind of saw this coming. >> you know, right now that rebellion has unleashed a lot of groups, and a lot of the groups are on the right. these are extremists. they are ultranationalists and they are really kind of dangerous guys. so i think putin is trying to do is number one figure what do you do with prigozhin. and as we all know prigozhin who led that rebellion is really valuable because he had armed men and an enormous series of companies that helped out the russian government on various levels. but then you have to figure out what do you do with these guys who are saying the conventional military in russia is not cruel enough, is not harsh enough, and that we really have to take it to ukraine and do even more? and these are the people that are really, really dangerous. and they could be dangerous to putin as well. so i think that's what's going on and that's what the director is referring to. >> absolutely. all right, jill dougherty, al

that is the excuse that bill burns and the white house are now saying russia could use.s also saying that they will assume that russian ships heading to russian ports in the black sea could also be kcarryig mil military cargo. they said that those russian ships could be treated like the black sea flagship that was sunk by ukraine very famously last april. phil, abby. >> we actually have that sound from bill buns rns that you wer just talking achb. i'm going to play it. colonel anderson, i want you to respond to it on the other side. >> what it resurrected was some deeper questions, which, again, you know, you've seen circulate within the russian elites since the war in ukraine began, since putin's war in ukraine began, asking questions about putin's judgment, about his relative detachment from events and about his indecisiveness. >> so colonel anderson, putin is in a weakened position obviously and is feeling incredibly threatened by what ukraine has done when it comes to the kerch bridge, how do you see this playing out? >> clearly he's desperate. i think the waultlls a

you think a bill burns might have been explaining? does it look on joining nato? because that would mean logical 5 would require a britain and who knows who else to attack russia or so i guess for the visit of the yes and this the, i agree that the one of the in the gym that was be ukrainian, ukrainian aspirations. as for uh, joining the product uh veterans, uh, current us position and trusted. so ukraine in a made uh, a more, uh, i'm in the united states here. it seems that we will support deeply you agree, and as long as that, that'd be, uh, the use of very, very sounds as counter offensive or offensive old calendar offensive because russia, uh, there's not, there's no, uh, in fact, you well, uh, was not being offensive. uh, do they go for their opinions to a launch counter? think it's a rush or that has the counter offense. so are i saying that a calendar offensive will be launched by russian for the for sure. the, this uh this. uh, i think bill uh initially address announcer offensive and, but i am sure it will be successful. so i think that the americans, and

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we and the administration tried to make this case to him principally cia director bill burns. others as well -- burns directly to putin but others as well including myself. to jurors in the russian government. many western leaders and particularly western business leaders that i spoke to before february 24th of last year, before the invasion -- didn't believe me when i told happen.t was going to when i was convinced was going to happen which was a russian invasion of ukraine. and rational was it doesn't make any sense you wouldn't improve his geopolitical position and it is a catastrophic and catastrophic losses for him. so -- what does that mean for nuclear weapons? i say it is irrational, but he's done irrational things before. like invading ukraine in the way he did. and because the risk of nuclear war is so great, even if the riskar is quite low as i think t is. e it's still something that any american president and his administration would have to tread carefully in considering. >> that is actually -- very sobering -- i would like to ask you now about the counteroffensive

we try to make this case, principally to bill burns, but others as well.d others as well, including me, talked to the russian government. many western business leaders i spoke to before february 24 of last year, before the invasion, did not believe me when i told him what was going to happen. which was a russian invasion of ukraine. the rationale was it did not make sense. he would not approve his geopolitical position, and he has not. there has been catastrophic losses for heaven. what does this mean for nuclear weapons? i say it is irrational but he has done irrational things before, like in ukraine. even if the risk is quite low, which i think it is, it is still something every american presence in his administration would have to tread carefully. >> that is very sobering. i would like to ask about ukraine's counteroffensive, and attempt to reclaim russian territory, which has been going on for several weeks. we have seen ukrainian forces capture about 50 square miles of russian territory but they have been unable to make it through gains like we saw la

we in the administration tried to make this case to him president clintonly, cia director bill burns, but others as well, interlocutors in the russian governments. many western business leaders that i spoke to before february 24th of last year before the invasion, did not believe me when i told them i was convinced what was going to happen, a russian invasion of ukraine. and their rationale was, he wouldn't improve his geopolitical position. it hasn't. and there have been catastrophic losses. and what does it mean for nuclear weapons? it's irrational, but he's done irrational things before like invading ukraine. the risk is so-- even though as low as i think it is, any american president would have to tread carefully. considering. >> very sobering. i'd like to ask you now about the counter offensive, ukraine's attempt to reclaim russian held territory going on for several weeks now, we've seen the ukrainian forces capture 50 square miles of russian held territory so far, but at the same time unable so far to make the kind of breakthrough gains that we saw last fall. what do you think

. >> bill burns, good too see you. welcome back to aspen. >> thanks to its nice to be with you -- to be back at aspen. thank you fory: inviting me aga. >> are you ready? russia. [laughter] >> shot that you asked me. >> what just happened? when you're watching events saturday june 24th, what was your understanding of what was unfolding? >> i have seen over the last three decades since the end of the cold war a lot of fascinating episodes in russia but none more fascinating than prigozhin's mutiny which was a most direct assault on the russian state and vladimir putins 23 years in power here i think in many ways it exposed some of the significant weaknesses in the system that putin has built. weaknesses that already had been laid bare by the disaster that deeply destructive war that putin launched a few months ago in ukraine. what was remarkable tomato was now almost exactly a month ago desperate to me felt desperate today after prigozhin launchhe that dod was the way which felt compelled to do a deal with his former cat

. >> reporter: i know that bill burns came to visit you regularly, and what did you tell him about the plans the take back the territory in the counter offensive? >> translator: to be honest with you, i was surprised to see the information in the media in the u.s., ukrainian and the european media. it should be beyond the we don't have bad relations with the cia, because we have good relations. we have good relations with the cia chief, and we talking. i told him about all of the good things that we need in the battlefield, and we are talking. >> you can watch the full report wednesday night at 8:00 with erin burnett. >>> cnn just learned about this news saturday, but zelenskyy was saying that he was surprised about the information that he thought that it was secret, and reported. cnn correspondent oren liebermann, what are you hearing about the officials? >> well, sara, it is first noted that you d a -- that burns was there in january, and he did confirm the meeting, and this is simplying other meetings and many more meetings of burns to ukraine, and what was this about? to, according

also, bill burns says it is one of the great threats in coming years. we were saying, burns wanted americans to understand that while russia is the short-term concern right now, we shouldn't take our eye off the ball when it comes to china because that is our long-term strategic challenge. >> absolutely. you know, the u.s. government can sometimes act as an aircraft carrier. it takes a long time to pivot and move. but i think burns has really pushed the cia in that direction. there is a china mission center now, an entire unit devoted to china. again, better language capability, training more officers and analysts to work the chinese target. we have intelligence relationships around the world. you know, designed specifically to collect on china, unilaterally with our spies and our partners. we also have to speak to the chinese. bill burns is the consummate diplomat. he is ambassador several times over. he served in senior positions at the state department. he has practiced what we call intelligence diplomacy, so he understands. china is a threat. it is o

cia director bill burns spoke in general about how the u.s.ce agency's view china during a weekend speak in oxford. >> the only country where the intent to reshape the national order and the economic and diplomatic and military and technological power to do so. china's transformation over the past five decades has been extraordinary. >> the new chinese espionage laws ban the transfer of any information that china might deem related to its national security and broadens the definition of spying. it also cracks down on u.s. consulting and financial due diligence firms and accountants which has unnerved investors. the new law could help chinese intelligence gathering meaning any chinese local employee should be viewed as a potential spy for beijing. >> the issue therefore is not china's rise per se. but the actions which accompany it. president xi is embarking on his third term with more power than any chinese leader since mao. rather than use that power to revitalize and update the international system that enaned china's transformation, he seek

. >> and bill burns talked about him. what did he have to say? >> he said one of the things about prigozhin's mute iny was what he said before he attacked the entire rational of the war to state media. that in and of itself was noteworthy and that goes towards disaffecting and continued disaffection of the russian population with this ongoing special military operation. here's burns. >> it is striking that prigozhin preceded his actions with a scathing indictment and rationale for the invasion of ukraine. the impact of those words and those actions will play out for some time. a vivid reminder for the corrosive effect of putin's war on his own society and his own regime. >> a u.s. official tells us burns was in ukraine meeting with president volodymyr zelenskyy. the purpose of that visit according to those officials or that official was to reiterate the support, the ongoing support from the u.s. to ukraine not on in terms of the equipment and the support in the international bodies but also the intel sharing that's made a lot of the ukrainian mil

what we're learning of course is that bill burns when he went to kyiv, he did have these conversationsith zelenskyy and he also said separately over the weekend that this is actually right now a boone for the cia in terms of recruitment from russia because of the dis affectment that so many russians are feeling with vladimir putin's leadership and the war he's carrying in ukraine. here is what he said during a conference in england this weekend. >> disaffection with the war will continue to gnaw away at the russian leadership. that creates a once in a generation opportunity for us at cia. we're very much open for business. >> reporter: so the ukrainians have limited how much intelligence they share with the u.s. because, of course, of that major pentagon leak that we saw earlier this year where all of those classified documents and information including information about ukraine's war planning ended up online but the u.s. has not curtailed its intelligence sharing with the ukrainians, they have said they are going to give ukraine the support that it needs in order to be as successful a

cia chief, bill burns, has come and visited you regularly. he was here recently. what did you tell him about your plans, to take back territory and the counteroffensive? >> reporter: to be honest with you, i was surprised to see the information in some media both in the u.s. and ukrainian and european media. my communication with the cia chief should always be behind the scenes, and the media attention, because we discuss important things, what ukraine needs and how ukraine is prepared to act, we don't have any secrets from cia, because we have good relations and our intelligence services talk with each other. the situation is pretty straight forward. we have good relations with the cia chief, and we are talking. i told him about all of the important things related to the bald battlefield, which we need. >> do you feel -- i know you've talked about some frustration about the pace of the counteroffensive, how much pressure do you feel from the united states, from other allies, to try to give them dates or timelines of when gains may happen. >> reporter: our slowed

cia chief bill burns has come to visit you regularly. he was here recently.t did you tell him about your plans to take back territory in the counteroffensive? >> translator: to be honest with you, i was surprised to see the information in media both in the u.s. and ukraine and european media. my communication with the cia chief should always be behind the scenes. and the media attention, because we discuss important things, what ukraine needs and how ukraine is prepared to act. we don't have any secrets from cia because we have good relations. and our intelligence services talk with each other. i don't know what were other contacts. i don't really remember which media i read it in. the situation is pretty straightforward. we have good relations with the cia chief, and we are talking. i told him about all the important things related to the battlefield, which we need. >> and what was widely reported was that burns wanted to talk about -- talked about the current ukrainian counteroffensive and also the possibility of a negotiated settlement to the war by the en

>> clearly the cia director, bill burns, one of the best we've had in 30 years, he's very wise, and experienced it would take for putin to figure out who he can trust, the gru, military intelligence, national guard, the army itself, he's going to sort out who's going to respond to his questions, but he's got to eliminate prigozhin at some point. the words that can be never unsaid were this invasion of ukraine was not provoked by nato, it was not against gnat-- nazis, it was for corrupt purposes. putin has got to act. the question is how will he do it. right now he doesn't think he's got the power. >> general barry mccaffrey, happy friday to you. thank you for coming on the program. always good to see you. >>> while we're seeing images of russia's relentless assault on ukraine, one officer wanted to know how the war was being per -- perceived for russia. joining me now, look, i can't imagine it. you write at the end of the five days you felt quote, overwhelming disgust as if there's a sick layer of dirt behind my shirt collar. talk to me about this experience. >> yes, i mean, i started seriously

security council and the cia director and bill burns saying that russian ships will be attacking ukrainianal, and poised to attack ships in the black sea and blaming ukraine about it, and a false flag operation to blame ukraine as the aggressor and not russia. and bill byrnes said at the summit last night that it is something that they said last night ever since that grain deal fell apart. this is what he said. >> we have seen them posting a video detecting and detonating what they are claiming is a ukrainian mine. this is classic russia propaganda, and classic opportunity by them to plant like a false flag to justify which is of course there would not be any justification, but to justify attacking civilian shipping. >> that is the nastional securiy spokesman john kirby who we heard this week that they are concerned that russia is going to try to frame the ukrainians for attacks on the civilian ships in black sea. of course, they are watching to see if russia lays mines as well at the ukrainian ports to prevent that grain from exiting ukraine. kate. >> important point that you have made th

we know that bill burns has said that he's aware that prigozhin is in belarus and moves in and out of high profile position. i think one of the things we can take away from this is that prigozhin, boss of wagner, that has kremlin-backed interests in some african countries, central african republic, sudan, mali, just to name a few, is putting out a clear public statement he's still in business with these countries. this backs up what he said to an african broadcaster earlier this week saying wagner is going to do business in africa. the only thing we can't do is cut across russia's national interest which appears to be the slap on the wrist from putin for the mutiny. but the fact he can be in public mixing with the dignitaries pushing wagner's interest perhaps speaks to the fact that wagner and the kremlin and prigozhin himself are so tied together in these business interests, gold, diamond, other things in these nations that putin cannot untangle him that fast. we don't know the limits of the constrains that have been put on wagner. other than he's running out of some cash according t

. >>> also, president biden is now elevating cia director bill burns to his cabinet, and that is largely symbolic move. mr. biden says burns delivered a clear-eyed approach to u.s. national security and cia. particularly its strategy toward russia since the -- toward moscow, pardon me, since russia's invasion of ukraine. he says he's honored to serve alongside the intelligence officers and intelligence community. the role of cia director has been in and out of cabinets the past several years. president biden chose not to include the post in his cabinet when taking office. that is, of course, until now. >>> ukraine says at least six people are dead after a new wave of russian strikes in the donetsk region. eight people were wounded in multiple attacks that hit the region and other parts of ukraine. emergency workers are still working at the scene of one of them. meantime, ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy says russia will pay for its attacks on the grain infrastructure in odesa. listen. >> translator: in total since the beginning of the week, more than 20 people including two childr

let me add, bill burns statements here and that kind of social media posts that the cia put out is viciouslylove it. but the bottom line is if you are a russian in some kind of position, whether it's government, or any other white you have access to information, you're going to be thinking about your future. you know, what motivates someone to spy against our government? well, it's the spare. sometimes, ideological, but russians a pariah state now. so, we are looking for russians who kind of want to do the right thing, work against their government, but not against their country. i think trying to access individuals over social media, over the dark web, is the right thing to do. it will provide the protocols, it could be done safely, but this is -- in the russians -- and i think a lot of us intelligence professionals kind of smile when we see burns statement and what the agency does. >> such an interesting distinction as i wrap this up that you're asking them to go against their government, but not against their country. i see there is a distinction between the two. okay, mark, good to see y

what's happening is bill burns is making clear we're there with you, we're here to support you.going to keep your secrets close hold. >> do you think ukraine has any reticence about sharing secrets? >> i think there's no doubt that they're going to be rhetreticen. at the same time, they need our intelligence, better than theirs, and they made it our support in the conflict. and i can guarantee it's not just military support, the cia is on the ground working it right now, gathering intel, and maybe doing more. >> great to have your insights. thank you so much. >>> witnessing the war this ukraine through the eyes of an 11-year-old boy. a heartbreaking, powerful perspective on this ongoing conflict. i'll speak to the photojournalist who shows what life is like for igor growing up just miles from the front lines and living it every day. >>> ahead, several people dead in the west bank after israeli forces launched the biggest military operation there in 20 years. we'll have the details coming up. mm. ...a "chow down" day... a "take a big g bite" day... a "pererfectly delicious" day..

cia director bill burns said last week russian leaders appeared to be adrift as this incredible scene was playing out. so really kind of a picture not of a russian leader in command, but one that was indecisive and potentially afraid to try to counter prigozhin, this war lord who he has depended on so much in the war in ukraine. >> which is such a blow to the mystique of vladimir putin, a mystique he himself has worked hard to try to create. >> yeah, absolutely. i think that's one reason why this was such a telling series of events. we all watched as prigozhin really directly challenged and tried to undermine i think putin's rule and authority. he said his beef was with the military leadership and the defense establishment. but really, that's shot at the russian president himself. and now to see that essentially there was silence and indecision, people down the chain waiting for putin to tell us what do you want us to do after he had gone on national television and talked about trying to squelch this rebellion. it's very much at odds with that portrait he portrays of someone who is in

cia director bill burns.-- >> putin is trying to buy time as he considers what to do with wagner and prigozhin himself. putin in my experience, has the image that he's overreacting to things. he's trying to settle things. but i think what he's going to do is separate prigozhin to what's of value to putin and wa wagner. >> how does he do that do you think? what is the impact of that and the sensitivity to how he handles yevgeny prigozhin? >> image is extremely importance to putin as director mentioned. there's one aspects of this, you know, that closeness may very well mean that in some ways they're working together. but the key thing to really think about here is what this looks like on the battlefield. let's take the eastern front, if you will, of ukraine right now. bakhmut, this was the area right here where the wagner group had the most important role for the russians. in essence they were able, almost on their own, to capture bakhmut, took them ten months, but they were able to capture bakhmut for russia.

>> reporter: no, we know that cia director bill burns has said that he believed prigozhin had been inseen per frigozhin in public. it appears to be a meeting with what appears to be a leader or member of african delegation in st. petersburg right now. 17 leaders and -- more than almost 50 different countries represented. who prigozhin is meeting there and he's looking very relaxed and smiling and that leader is looking relaxed and smiling, we don't know yet, we're working on that of course. but what we do know is just this week, prigozhin was speaking to an african media outlet and telling them on a voice note that wagner, his mercenary company is still in business in africa. any company that is starting to do business will continue. wagner tied up with putin's interests in africa, and gold mining, central african republic, mali, mozambique, libya to name but just a couple, that prigozhin has been working for the kremlin essentially in these african states. here it is again, it appears as if he is very much still in business as he was telling this african media outlet earlier this wee

. >> i think of the memoir by my good friend current director of the cia bill burns. he called it the back channel. and it makes a point which is that a lot of diplomacy is actually done best away from the glare of publicity. and certainly hostage exchanges fall into that category. so, point one, this correctly ought to be done without an enormous amount of media speculation about it. point two is i think there is a real chance here russia has a number of goals in the form of individuals in prisons, both in the united states and this is key, willie, and in the prisons of some of our allies because we have given away some of their high value prisoners to them like viktor bout. so we may have to broaden the quid pro quo to convince an ally to let somebody go in this case. third and finally, it shows we can at least have a conversation with the russian federation that is not part of the war in ukraine. and it's important that we do so. not only for prisoner exchanges like this but, for example, on nuclear arms control and other things that are in the interest of both cou

he has an intense level as our former boss, bill burns likes to say, he harbors these intense grievances and grudges. so he wears that on his sleeve. some that is real and some of it's totally self-serving. so just to take one example that there's this constant and it comes back to the question of how the russians are good at making us think the terms that are or beneficial to them. this notion that russia was humiliate and that russia is a humiliated power like that is something that the russian government has indoctrinate it into all everyday life, through the media and through other forms. propaganda to make russians feel. and i have no reason to doubt that average do feel that the soviet union was a great superpower and now it's not, and that that's unpleasant. but this notion that, you know, russia has a grudge against the west is very convenient to him because it fosters a sense that the world's out to get them and that through unity and sort of standing up to the opponents of russia outside of russia, russia, be great again. and that's, you know, the rallying point for that happen

the cia director bill burns says that prigozhin shows no intent on retiring and far from a hard exilef russia. prigozhin's first post mutiny appearance on camera seems to have come in belarus last week. now he seems to be back in russia on putin's doorstep. hard to believe it could have happened without his old friend, the russian president's say so. and i think the real question now for prigozhin is how long is this currency of involvement for putin in africa with these different leaders, with these different shady types of business deals that apparently have been going on, how long is that currency good to keep him out of the type of vengeance that we've seen putin wreak on other opponents who have been so brazen as to try to challenge him. so far prigozhin seems to have had barely a flesh wound, if you will. perhaps worse is yet to. could. erin? >> all right, nic, thank you very much. >>> and i want to good now to retired u.s. army general hertling. so general hertling, putin calls prigozhin a traitor to his country for the whole world to hear. and now here is prigozhin back in rus

the foundation of the bill was built upon my bill, the presumptive benefits for war fighters exposed to burn pits and other toxins act, which removes the burden from veterans include various cancer they are suffering from are due to their service near burn pits. however, there is more to do to prevent toxic exposures from happening, and i will not stop fighting until our service members are safe. i yield the balance of my time. the speaker pro tempore: the chair recognizes the gentleman from california, mr. lamalfa, for five minutes. mr. lamalfa: thank you, madam speaker. well, as the country deals with distractions that are the truth of which is very difficult to get out of the white house or other sources such as the missing titanic submarine, when did it actually implode, couldn't get the truth on that, or where is the package of cocaine that came in the white house? who's responsible for that? why can't they track that with their massive security systems? or silliness such as males competing in women sports and being in women's places like their locker rooms, all distract away -- they ar

a big priority for governor bashir also a big supporter of this bill. we burnalking about democrat and republican but were talking about how this is going to save lives in grand forks, north dakota, where we celebrated the work that was going on there with the railroad drossing they didn't want to get rid of since the early 1990s since it cuts the town in two. these were good projects, and look, the sign of a bad policy is the people who pushed it and abandoned it later on. the sign of a good policy is even the people who fought it and stood in the way at the time come to support it. i just wish they would be a little straightforward and go far to acknowledge they were wrong when they said this infrastructure bill was a bad idea and wrong to call it socialism as evidenced by the fact -- or wrong to denounce it as socialism and wasteful spending. if it is socialis ieems to be socialism republicans love when it's coming their way. >> i understand the sort of like haha, the hypocrisy and irony of it. it is hilarious but in some ways quietly devastating. lies to am