still with us al franken and bill kristol. heard what jamie harrison had to say about this. earlier this week you tweeted the six main strands of the trump coup attempt in which you said the conspiracy theories, the lawsuits, the fake federal investigations, stop the steal whips up the base, fake electors and objectors, and pressure on state and local officials. in fairness you write this as the main strands of the trump coup attempt which would be very simple for republicans to say, that's not us. we don't stand for that stuff. that's garbage. we have something else. joe biden did make the point today, we don't have a real republican platform that they have presented. >> excellent piece. summarizing just to give credit where credit is due. look, if they say we did a good job, people don't quite see how good a job we did and those republicans don't stand for anything, they will not do well. the normal thing that happens in an off year election, grievances of some sort, not as great as they thought it would be november two year

still with us eugene robinson and bill kristol. eader has talked about perhaps amending the 1887 electoral vote count act, the electoral count act which many people didn't know existed but it's the thing that governs what happens on january 6th. you tweeted today maybe he will, maybe he won't, but that's not really where our attention should be focused. >> i'm strongly for reforming it, and personally if i'd been in charge of democrat strategy i would have introduced that bill as well as the other two bills. it's the easiest to complain to people. we had this chaos. having said that, that bill has not been introduced yet. there are two other bills which are good bills. they should be debated on the floor and suggest amendments, and it may well be they'll get some votes to take out the parts they like the most. they've refused to even let them be debated. and that's the situation we now face with the john lewis act. >> eugene robinson, we're interested in hearing what the president and vice president have to say tomorrow about januar

you know if i did know bill kristol better, i would say he is smoking something. en wildly optimistic about it. so you know bill to about the impact of trump and the negative downward pressure that he might have in the 2020 election. but i also think that you are right, they have to look at the 2021 election. and look at what happens when republicans run without trump on the radar screen. like glenn youngkin did. and they have huge potential upside if they can keep trump off the radar screen. >> to that point, the hold that he has over the base, mike it republicans, too many radical candidates. going daily name moderates. -- >> that's the thing people look after the 2022 election those fringe candidates have gone down the rabbit hole. creating a message for republicans. when the republican party becomes the party of matt bates and marjorie taylor greene, and not glenn youngkin if trump gets too many of those sorts of candidates. campaigning in losing. and some of that shine wears off on trump. >> juanita, i know it is still early. you mentioned a moment ago. democr

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if i didn't know bill kristol better, i would say he's smoking something and being wildly optimistic know bill, too. about the impact of trump and negative downward pressure he might have in 2022 election. but i also think you're right that you have to look at 2021 election and look at what happens when republicans run without trump on the radar screen, a huge potential upside if they keep him off the screen. >> to that point, is it possible the hold he has over the base might get republicans too many radical candidates that win primaries but alienate moderates? >> very possibly. i think that would be the sort of thing that people will look like. the fringe candidates down the rabbit hole 100% are creating framing messaging problem for republicans. when the republican party is the party of matt gaetz and marjorie taylor greene and not grunkin, the shine wears off the trump. >> i know it's still early and you mentioned it a moment ago, democrats can unite voting against trump but it's a great big party with a lot of people and priorities. is there one top issue to drive democratic vot

look at this insane thread from far left bill kristol. a straight forward from here, june 30th. the court overturns roe v. wade. july 1st, breyer resigns, says court needs aggressive -- progressive justice as per july 4th, biden picks harris, kamala harris, for the court. harris resigns as vp. july 5th, he picks met romney as vp and says national unity needed for the world crisis. censures are reassured by the confident biden and romney national unity government. november 8th, they have the best midterm for a party in power since 1934. okay, you can live in that fantasy land. i don't quite buy it. but anyway, i think chris matthews and bill kristol have a thrill running up their legs all excited that that could all happen. on the other hand, it's clear that biden is desperate to dump his eyes president to they clearly don't get along, but to put it nicely, kamala is not the most qualified person to serve on the highest court or any court for that matter. here with legal analysis is the author of the case for vaccine mandates, harvard law professor earl alan dershowitz. greg, we

and bill kristol, author, writer, thinker and politico. he is a veteran of the reagan and bush administrations. and editor at large at the bulwark. good to see you both gentlemen. thanks for being with us. i'll, your thoughts, you spent a lot of time in the united states senate. you had some sense of what works and what doesn't work. is this idea of as bill has suggested in the past, taking the big bills, making them smaller bills, a strategy that could work for democrats? >> i think that is kind of exactly the right idea. i think that we should put the elements of the bill. they are extremely popular. we should put them out one by one. and have americans see for themselves what the elements are. so, do you want to die because republicans won't vote. put a cap on the price of insulin. well then, for republican. don't want to be able to afford childcare, but republican. want to pay more for your health care, for republican. want to leave your grandchildren and kids in unlivable planet. four republican. biden has said, they are not for anyth

look at this insane thread from far left bill kristol. anyway, i don't know whatever happened to him straightfoward from here h. june 30th court overturns roe v. wade july 1st. breyer resigns says court needs aggressive progressive justices july 4th biden picks harris meaning kamala harris for h the court. harrisis resigns as vp july 5th. biden, picks mitt romney as vp says national unity needed for the world crisis for progressives are energized by the bitter senate fight to confirm harris and fierce state legislative battles over choice centrists are reassured by the competent biden romney national unity government november eight. democrats have the best midterm for a party in power since nineteen thirty four. okay, you can live in that fantasy land. i don't quite pay it but anywayi i think crystal and chris matthews and bill kristol have a thrill running up their legs all excited that cand happen. on the other hand ,s it is clear that biden is desperate to dump his vice president. they clearly don't get along. buto to put it nicely kam

with us tonight, david plouffe, former senior adviser to the president and bill kristol, author and thinker, and a veteran of the reagan and bush administrations and editor at large of "the bulwark." j. d. vance has shamelessly accepted the endorsement of marjorie taylor greene, this woman with a history of violent qanon supporting antisemitic and islamaphobic comments, but given the state of the gop base, this helps him, right? >> he is being attacked in ohio. i was on some panels with him in 2016. it would be terrible for the country and terrible for the -- and terrible for the things that j. d. vance has written pretty eloquently about and spoken about, in terms of really genuine opportunities for people who have had a tough time in the last ten or 20 or 30 years, as opposed to demagogic exploitation of grievances. they are being used against him and he has to show that he is not just for trump but really willing to embrace the spirit of trump. what was striking, mehdi, i thought, about the endorsement, was the way he accepted it. we are going to win, he tweeted, and i don't know if we c

attorney joyce vance and bill kristol. joyce and i have been trying to deal with the law on this since the news broke yesterday and we will do that in this segment. bill, i turn to you first not for a technical legal analysis but for this broader question of the type of enabling that went on and continues to go on of what people saw on their screen there, someone who, while legally presumed innocent, has a lot of evidence against him for sedition for overthrowing our government in this moment. >> a couple of points, ari. i think you're absolutely right that it's an unfortunate sign of weakness in democracy that we have to go through this. you don't want to get in a position where each administration uses the criminal justice system to go after its predecessors which is why traditionally we have tended to shy away from this kind of thing. i think someone like the attorney general, merrick garland, his instincts would be if we don't have to do this, we shouldn't do it. i think he's looked at a lot of evidence and thinks we ha

. >> still with us donna edwards and bill kristol.your reaction to those comments from graham? >> well, i think mitch mcconnell has done plenty to protect donald trump. he protected him in two impeachments. he put forward the tax cut that senator graham talked about. he's made sure to block the independent commission on january 6th. i think mitch mcconnell has done a fair amount to protect donald trump and the trump agenda and unfortunately for all of the rest of us we have to suffer the consequences. >> bill, of course i'm sure you would like to o pine on that relationship. i will give you the space and time to do that but i want to bring in another element of the conversation which is you have the rnc threatening to bar its candidates from participating in debates sponsored by the commission on presidential debates. "the washington post" reports, quote, during the 2020 cycle then president donald trump complained vociferously about the commission. at one point tweeting that it was stacked with trump haters and never trumpers. bill,

imagine if we had bill kristol or george will running fox news. that i as a democrat would agree with. however, it would be nothing like the fox news that exists today, the fox news of marjorie taylor greene, the fox news of ivermectin enthusiasts, as the favorite news channel of vladimir putin. that is what fox news has become. that disinformation is very dangerous and it's necessary that democrats really push back on the idea that fox is peddling conspiracy theories, not conservative opinions. i think democrats have done this on some level. nancy pelosi by bringing in liz cheney, someone she probably doesn't agree with on any issue except the fact that america should be a democratic country, has begun the process of distinguishing conservative opinion from conspiracy theories, from the things we're seeing on fox news. >> when you put it like that, it's a much clearer contrast. when you listen to obama and biden, it was a warmed over beltway noodle cougal that made the argument you would have to get back to common facts by having less of fox and

bill kristol, david frum, alle of those people, the lincoln project people, they're still doing the same thingsa which is cheering every word. tom friedman being one of the sociopathic but they went to the democratic party because they know that's where the war lies and this comparison the question every american should be asking is why do i care about the borders of ukraine enough to risk americanm treasure when we have so many problems at home and i think if you did a national poll, i'd be like 1%. i mean, if that actually wanted to spend american treasure and potentially liveser in ukraine as much as you know, we might love the ukrainian people. this is europeans europe's conflict if they want to fight now i want to getnt something yu wrote today you said congress's january six committee plotted with jpmorgan and its lawyer, former obama ag loretta lynch to obtain a citizen's financial records with no possibility of judicial review. ll glenn, a what is that all about? what do we need to know? i think the incredibly abusive behavior of the congressional ethics committee is getting woef