if however they've been interviewed by bob mueller, if bob mueller has already been able to draw conclusions on certain issues, that will weigh very heavily in whether we

>> i can come it will depend on what bob mueller has been able to do and whether bob mueller has beento finish the job. i think we should reserve judgment on what more will be necessary until we see what moore has already been done. >> it sounds like if you get the majority, if you have subpoena power it sounds like there are people you want to hear from that you have heard from you plan to pursue that? >> there's shortly people wanted from that you get a complete investigation without hearing from. if, however, they been interviewed by bob mueller, if bob mueller has already been able to draw conclusions on certain issues, that will weigh heavily in when we think that needs further investigation but there may be certain matters and money laundering may very well be one of them or even bob mueller has not looked into it. because he is happen given the scope. i do know that is the case and that hope bob mueller is investigate the issue of money laundering. what is owned as the prosecutor is you follow the money, but the president has done everything possible to deter bob mueller from d

if however they've been interviewed by bob mueller, if bob mueller has already been able to draw conclusions on certain issues, that will weigh very heavily in whether we think that needs further investigation. but there may be certain matters, and money laundering may very well be one of them, where even bob mueller has not looked into it. because he's not been given the scope. now, i don't know that that's the case. i would hope that bob mueller is investigating the issue of money laundering. what i learned as a federal prosecutor is you follow the money. but the president has done everything possible to deter bob mueller from doing that by trying to draw a red line. i don't think the president has any right to draw any red lines and i think they should be ignored. if it arises within the russia investigation, it ought to be investigated. mike: last question. you mentioned you were the u.s. attorney in los angeles, as a former federal prosecutor, someone who is watching the investigation. from what you've seen, from what you know, from what you read, what is the most likely outcome? mr. sc

from bob mueller. it may be on both collusion and obstruction of justice, it may be on other issues as well. and this is where rob rosenstein comes in and he's a very important figure. it will be his decision whether that report is shared with congress, where it's shared with the public, or whether it's buried. i think it should be shared with the public. it certainly need to be shared with congress. i think bob mueller, there's no constitutional bar to an indictment of a sitting president. but i would think even if the evidence rises to that level, he's more likely to present that evidence to the justice department than seek an indictment and ask 12 lay jurors somewhere to decide the fate of the republic. mike: we promised we'd get out to church on time or at least to the hill. so just 30 seconds, you have a great summer tradition with your son, now 15 years old, a road trip, sometimes a train trip, right? what's coming up this summer? mr. schiff: we were just having that conversation over dinner last

bob mueller making two big moves late today, charging a new person in this russia probe, a russian national linked to putin's intelligence services who spent years working for paul manafort. mueller adding new charges in this indictment. that includes witness tampering. the definite is konstantin. now, when that news broke, basically everyone understood it because mueller was asking a judge to revoke manafort's bail over the allegations that he was trying to get witnesses to lie for him. the people turned over text messages from manafort and he had been trying to conceal all that effort to encrypted messaging apps. tonight, mueller is not only say thoegz everies should land manafort in trial, as we learned earlier, tonight, bob mueller is saying those efforts constitute new crimes and thus man stay fort and his employee should be sentenced for that obstruction and conspiracy. whatever paul manafort did, it was all old stuff before 2016. well, tonight's news, these new indictments the 20th indictment in the mueller probe, this is new stuff. this is all about manafort did things this year, sp

it's very likely that manafort knows something that bob mueller wants to get out of him. i find it unthinkable that manafort wouldn't have access to some information that mueller would find interesting. >> how about that point? >> i think it's entirely reasonable to think that manafort might be the top here. you know, as you're working your way up, you always keep going, but given how what we know about donald trump and how he operates and given the connections and contacts that we know manafort has and had during the campaign, given the flip in the platform as it relates to russia and ukraine at the republican national convention, which manafort was really in charge of, it very well could be that, yes, there was some degree of collusion, but it either was somewhat isolated with manafort or at minimum it stopped at manafort. that's completely consistent with what we know so far. or at least not inconsistent. it's conceivable that he is the endgame here. >> not inconsistent. dan with the big double negative, jennifer, close us out. >> it actually is inconsistent because, of

he has to go to rob rosen stine. -- rstos "he" -- bob mueller.ost: your investigation started without with a corporation or real estate development called white water. right? guest: much more but that was at the heart and core. i inherited the investigation of a great man named bob fiske. bob was appointed essentially as a special counsel when the independent statute had last. so this interim period. and bob got to little rock and found any number of things that he was looking into. webster hubble's billing. the death of vincent foster, jr., possibly violations of banking laws in the gubetorle campaign in arkansas in 1990. i was surprised with the breadth and range of his activity. that's what i inherited. the white water land deal was part of it. host: these tend to grow. don't they? these investigations. the president got impeached over something unrelated to all of this. guest: the relationship there -- and we were authorized to conduct that part of the investigation by the attorney general and the special division. so there's this two-step sh

this is on the question of bob mueller the day after the inspector general released the hillary clinton e-mail investigation. it has nothing to do with the substance of the mueller investigation. their conduct has been questioned. nothing to do with the substance, though, in the ig report, and yet the president says this about the special counsel. >> reporter: are you thinking about firing bob mueller? >> no, but look, the problem with the mueller investigation is everybody has many conflicts. weissman was at hillary clintonclinto clinton clinton's. i think the mueller investigation has been totally discredited? >> to the president's point there, i think the mueller investigation has been totally discredited. the president has shaped public opinion, especially among republicans, about bob mueller. but every time bob mueller's investigation has faced the test in court where people have questioned his decisions, today when paul manafort goes to jail, today bob mueller is winning. >> bob mueller has not earned any of the bad press that has fall on a lot of different people that are either

he's accusing bob mueller of a crime. if rudy giuliani has evidence of that, he needs to bring it forward now. but rudy giuliani doesn't have evidence of that. he's one of the enablers that you're talking about that ultimately will be pinned with damaging severely almost irreparably the institution ands agencies in our government. >> so, donny, i know if i had a tv show i'd be shouting my outrage on the corner. my point is this is to me the moment in law enforcement that charlottesville brought us in race, as i said to nick. it boggles the mind that there are people humming about the west wing, people who before trump came along were serious people, people like emmet flood, people like don mcgahn, people at the justice department, they hum along and let the president smear and malign d.o.j. and bob mueller's investigation. >> nick's insight is just to be close to power does something to people. here are the two things, talk about in a second. it's interesting when we talk about the base. his approval rate sergio garcia 40

that is not a criticism of bob mueller. it is, however, just a necessary fact call it an opportunity cost. the expense, when we go the criminal function. rather than an oversight function by congress. host: texas. republican. good morning. aller: good morning. with the rept ming up from the ig this week or next week, i would assume is going to create quite a comparison between the clinton investigation hillary clinton d the trump investigation or mueller investigation. one of the things that vexed me about the hillary investigation more than anything, i think was the use of immunity. my understanding that five or six clinton people were given immunity. the one that probably vexed me the most was botting a lano. the it guy. it's my understanding that he s a relatively high up in it management at the state department and the -- he went to work for her privately and installed was responsible for installing h.r. server at home. my experience -- guest: host: where are you going with that? we're running out of time. guest: knows

bob mueller has guilty pleas from mike flynn, rick gates, papadopoulos and pau nad owe. what is your understanding of the scope and speed of the mueller investigation and how many they have already ensnared and caught guilty or have pleaded guilty of criminal wrongdoing? >> it's been an incredibly productive investigation. he brought charges against a lot of people: he secured several guilty pleas. there is an enormous amount of misconduct that he has apparently unearthed. there is -- i also think a good deal more to come. we've heard a lot of noise from some of the president's proxies and supporters about how he must be or should be in the winding down phase. today's charges against manafort suggest to me at least that there may be a good deal more to come. bringing in a potential g.r.u. operative or a person with serious ties to russian intelligence, even in the context of this obstruction charge is potentially significant. and we still haven't seen anything from mueller on the g.r.u. sponsored hacking of the democratic national committee and john podesta so i think the

was already known to bob mueller.es, i have to imagine that they told bob mueller about this and this is why they concede the point in that legal argument. >> i suspect you are right. we also now know, congressman, the presidenied or ed the american people about his role in the drafting, the dictating that was statement. should they now clarify when president trump first learned of that meeting at trump tower and the russian offer of so-called dirt on hillary clinton? >> of course they should. i think that this is all the more reason why bob mueller needs to interview the president. if they continue to stonewall, he will have to subpoena the president. it looks like they're trying to use every excuse now not to have him testify. they're trying to obtain materials that they have no business getting. the president has not been indicted that we know of. they have no right to investigate materials. now they are using this claim, we're not going to submit to an interview without having access to investigative files. that's

that a president can't obstruct justice, not that he the memo also lays out the case for depriving bob mueller of an interview with donald trump, something one trump advisor told me today is essential if the president's lawyers want to prevent robert mueller from adding lying to federal investigators in any report he plans to send to congress. from that "the new york times" report, quote, in a brash assertion of presidential power, the 20-page letter sent to special counsel robert mueller and obtained by "the new york times" contends that the president cannot illegally obstruct any aspect of the investigation into russia's election meddling because the nstitution empowers him to, quote, if he wished, terminate the inquiry or even exercise his power to pardon. the story landed with a thud in the oval office. the president started tweeting about it before it even posted online. and is still at it in a flurry of tweets this morning. the president writing, quote, the appointment of the special counsel is totally unconstitutional! despite that, we play the game because i unlike the democrats have d

the russia investigation, that includes 13 russian nationals, i guess 14 as of this afternoon, bob mueller lass guilty pleas from michael flynn, rick gates, george papadopoulos, alex van der zwaan and richard pinedo. what's your take on where the mueller investigation stands in terms of scope and speed and how many people they've ensnared and caught guilty or have pleased guilty of criminal wrongdoing? >> it's been an incredibly productive investigative and prosecutorial effort when judged against historical standards. he's brought charges against a lot of people, secured several different guilty pleas and there's an enormous about of misconduct that he's unearthed. there is also a good deal more to come. we've heard a lot of noise from the president's proxies and supporters about how he must be or should be in the winding down face. today's charges against manafort suggest to me at least there may be a good deal more to come, bringing in a potential gru operative, even in the context of this obstruction charge is significant and we haven't seen anything from mueller on the gru-sponsored h

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bob mueller has proven time and time again through every twitter news cycle that he does not care what anyone is saying about him. also proven time and time again he's not operating on anyone else's timetable but his own. he kept this investigation completely in its own lane beyond all of the political noise coming from yes the left as well as the right. that this is intensified politicized this. he's saying no, he's doing this on his terms, completely separate and independent of all of the outside noise. >> kevin and jonathan, thanks for kicking this off. we'll be back with you in a little bit to talk about scott pruitt and more. next i'll talk to a former prosecutor about how much longer the mueller investigation might last. napoon is duping us! all around louisiana... you're a nincompoop! (phone ping) gentlemen, i have just received word! the louisiana purchase, is complete! instant purchase notifications from capital one. so you won't miss a purchase large, small, or very large. technology this helpful... could make history. what's in your wallet? >>> there's a new report that says

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bob mueller did not volunteer. we are here because rod rosenstein decided we needed a special counsel. to the very best you can with evidence and witnesses you have but understand this is being used by political enemies to hurt donald trump. adam schiff wants to be the chairperson of the house intelligence committee. nancy pelosi wants to be the speaker of the house. they want bob mueller to do what peter strzok and hillary clinton could not do. which is beat donald trump. just be aware you're being used would be my advice to bob mueller. >>chris: i want to ask you for quick answers. should based on what you knew before what you know now from the ig's report, should hillary clinton been charged with a crime? >> i need to interview effectively. i need to ask for those questions on intent. we know she lied. we know she concealed evidence. we know they destroyed evidence. those are all circumstantial markers of intent. so i would need to interview her without going into it knowing i was going to clear like the fbi did

we know that bob mueller fired strzok and page as soon as he took over. t about his contention that the text messages show that the president, if there is a negative finding by mueller will be able to say well this investigation wasn't even legitimate in the first place. what do you think of that? >> the fact is the investigation into russia's interference into our election began in the spring of 2015. barack obama's first briefing on the matter was in june of 2015. there were 17 agencies. the fbi was one of them voistled in this investigation. now have you this text in 2016. already there was plenty of evidence of conversations and other coordination between the trump campaign and the russians. and i think that's what that text was about. not anything else. >> dana: okay. well, we will see when that report comes out what happened there collin, let me ask you, for democrats who think that this helps, makes hillary clinton's case thought fbi was biased against her, what do you think of that? >> well, to me, this whole report is about two people who are larg

there are large segments of the public that don't know much about bob mueller but believe there is a taint here. they read strzok's comments. as a public relations strategy, this is working to discredit the mueller investigation. >> i'm going to take a rare occasion to disagree. folks around mueller say it is working in a vacuum. he's not a p.r. guy. he's not into rapid response. he's not oblivious to what's being said on fox news and by people like devin nunes. he dupzaoesn't care. he's getting ready to charge and prosecute crimes. i picked up a sense that between senator warner's comments that it's going to be a wild couple months between this reporting. this is the first time i've seen multiple news organizations, ours and another television network of officials being briefed in on the mueller probe. i sense a softening of the ground for news to come. what do you sense? >> okay. on the first point i've got to say i agree with both of you in this sense. yes, mueller doesn't care. you know, i can't emphasize enough, he is not -- among prosecutors of all stripes, it just so happens th

of titanium, so there couldn't be -- bob mueller is also the innocent man's best friend. finds no evidence of criminal wrongdoing, he'll scream it from the rooftops. >> thank you all for joining me. >>> after the break, msnbc's jacob soboroff gets an exclusive look inside a texas processing center where families who just crossed the border are waiting in limbo. you don't want to miss this. s (honking) when your craving strikes, you need your wing nut. ( ♪ ) no one can totally satisfy a craving, quite like your wing nut. no one can totally satisfy a craving, it can grow out of control, disrupting business and taking on a life of its own. its multi-cloud complexity creating friction... and slowing innovation. with software-defined solutions, like hpe onesphere, you can tame the it monster. hewlett packard enterprise. clouds, apps, and insights faster. . >>> welcome back, everybody. you see it on the screen there, protests over the border of the zero-tolerance immigration moment form the biggest heartbreak, migrant children taken from their parents and placed in shelter jaco

but the fact is bob mueller fired the client who tweeted about making sure donald trump couldn't win. using incidents that predate the mueller probe. to voice -- i think it's wrong to make assumptions that -- who is to say that a pr campaign is going to get him out of whatever mueller comes up with. >> the audience that rudy giuliani is speaking to. >> 2 million people? >> i would be surprised -- i'm saying it is a subset of people for whom the facts just do not matter. >> the ultimate report might trump all. but think about this, there was a meeting at trump tower with top trump campaign officials and russian agents where they were promising dirt on hillary clinton. that is my many standards an act of collusion. >> right. >> and yet a huge -- a huge subset of the population believes there has been no collusion. >> right. >> listen, i don't think -- ultimately, that is superficial but i think to a agree it is notable. because if the country can't wrap its head around the fact that an act of collusion did happen i am worried they might not accept anything that the mueller investigation

bob mueller's not saying anything. at some point when we get to impeachment, we're going to learn everything that bob mueller knows. at that point, that's when you wonder whether the polls start changing and whether the general, you know, views of the american public start to change. because he's been silent all along. it's a one-sided argument right now. but i guarantee you if and when we get to impeachment, it will no longer be one-sided. it will be strong and persuasive and damning. >> i want to stay on impeachment. you mentioned bill clinton. our colleague interviewed clinton and asked about his brush with impeachment. >> if you were president now, in 2018, with everything that's going on with the me too movement, how would you have approached the accusations differently? >> people would be using the facts instead of the imagined facts. if the facts were the same today, i wouldn't. a lot of the facts have been conveniently omitted to make the story work. frustrated that they got all e these serious allegations agai

there was steve cohen there basically saying, didn't bob mueller volunteer for vietnam? didn't he go after notorious bad guys in his career? didn't he forgo a very lucrative career to do public service instead? that was also an interesting dynamic. this is as you said incredibly partisan. gowdy complaining that it was -- the investigation or the investigators were biased and then i think showing that he was biased too in many ways in that exchange about, can't you hurry up and get this done? the american public wants to see what the results are. and evan made this point, my good in the benghazi investigation, i think, took two and a half years, something like $8 million. so that was really rich to hear that from trey gowdy. >> let me just add real quick, i think you heard from a couple of members of congress, this idea that they wanted the fbi and the justice department to tell them whether the fbi was doing some investigative work on this russia collusion and whether or not on people connected to the trump campaign before july of 2016, right? you heard that a couple of

manafort in jail right now because bob mueller alleges he did his witness tampering via encrypted messaging. in stopping to mueller's motion, the judge said while there's no appetite for this, to jail manafort, his attempt to use his phones and a tampering and obstruction device was simply unacceptable. as for whether he could limit his communications technology, the judge said today tersely, this is not middle school. i can't take away his cell phone. now, jail is obviously one of the worst places on earth to prepare for a complex criminal trial. but by confiscating paul manafort's phone and personal property, the court system is helping him in a way because it's removing one of the tools mueller says manafort used to commit new crimes. as a legal strategy, mueller is operating on the premise that this will protect the probe, that it could put more pressure on manafort, and also reflects bob mueller's confidence when you think about it, that he believes at least, he must already have enough evidence on manafort. otherwise, if he caught him committing potential crimes through the phone, he

think the president would sit down or at least agree to do that, sit down to an interview with bob mueller despite all the arguments in this memo? >> we don't know yet, and what's interesting is if push comes to shove and if mueller does end up issuing a subpoena to the president to compel him to sit down, then i think what we would likely see is the arguments in this memo would be used by the president's legal team potentially to push back against that request if they didn't want him to sit down for that interview. that's a case that could go all the way to the supreme court if it comes to that. so we're talking about a potentially explosive and high-level legal showdown if mueller decides that he wants to compel the president t sit down and if the president says, you know what, i don't want to do that. >> who do you think has more to gain from the leak, the president or mueller's team? >> i think certainly mueller's team at this point. i mean, again, i think the president and his team are going for this egregious power grab, and that is going to -- there's going to be a backlash to that,

>> jokes aside, he probably knows very little compared to bob mueller.f you look at the hierarchy of people that know, it's no secret that congressional committees don't have anything near the powers that bob mueller has, and people on the committee have joked to me that they don't know probably 50% of what bob mueller knows. so there are probably very few things that just he and bob mueller knows because he knows a lot more than mark warner. >> martha: how significant is peter strzok and having him in front of the committee on wednesday? obviously this is a huge development. he has said he is willing to come, so we assume he is willing to answer the questions. >> i think it will be one of the most politically explosive hearings certainly of the year, perhaps the last couple of years. we have a lot of members who are deeply engaged on this issue. people like jim jordan, mark meadows, they will be very well prepared and very aggressive in their questioning, even trey gowdy who has been much more moderate generally speaking as outraged by this issue. so he

nick, this is new and bob mueller trying to protect his operation. what does it mean?at he's trying to protect are his investigative techniques, how he goes about doing an investigation. what his agents are doing and what others have done to uncover the evidence that they have in this case. it goes to possible other cooperating witnesses, other possible informants. what he's concerned about is if somebody was able, intelligence was able to look at this entire file, they'd be able to devine from that all kinds of things like what they should do to better protect themselves. what they should do if they try to identify other cooperating informants that might be giving up information to the u.s. government. this is not information that's necessarily classified. it's important information in terms of the government's ability to investigate these kinds of cases. >> when you see bob mueller do this and the headline to some people is okay, he's referring to ongoing russian meddling, some people might be like yeah, i heard about that. it's like they keep doing it. why legally d

i do think the sustained assault on bob mueller, on the justice department, on the fbi at a time particularlyt there making public defenses of what he's doing, i think that this -- the reason why giuliani keeps doing it because s because they feel at least among their base is that it's reinforcing and buttressing a set of claims. they're going further everyday. the language now is not just that they're running an illegitimate investigation but that they're trying to frame the president. that's what the president's lawyer is saying and as they ratchet that language up, they are obviously doing damage to important american institutions but i think they are getting ready for an all out political war that will be waged on bob mueller when he comes forward with whatever he finds and i think it's having an effect on setting the stage for that political battle and hardening the opposition to mueller and the support for the president among a not insubstantial number of americans. maybe not a majority but a big minority of americans and that's a dangerous and troubling thing. >>> let's bring in "time"

to update that line for 2018, sleep on bob mueller at your own peril. there is a lot to discuss. joyce, what does i met mean to tonight that paul manafort sleeps in a cell? >> to the extent that mueller is sending a message, the message is he will not atolerate people who lie to federal agents or otherwise interfere in prosecutions. we have seen the earlier prosecutions for lying to agents. now we see this prosecution for obstruction which happened incredibly quickly. this will go to mueller's core belief that the criminal justice system is about finding the truth in a courtroom, determining a defendant's guilt or innocence consistent with those principles and anyone who tries to interfere with that process should be dealt with as sternly as possible. as a result, manafort finds himself in jail pending trial tonight. >> nelson, the big question in washington is what happens now that people of this significance in this trump campaign and donald trump's world, personal business and otherwise, are facing this kind of heat? we talk a lot about inflection points. this is an inflection

but as you just mentioned, this ongoing investigation with bob mueller and his special counsel team is obviously a cloud hanging over the president and something that would make a meeting with president putin totally suspect, right? there was reporting last week or earlier this week that the president mentioned something about russia when he was talking about rod rosenstein about his memo for firing james comey. that is something that was highly significant when he was thinking about russia. he is always criticized for not bringing up this issue of election med election meddling. these are all things that people want to hear about from russia but things that the president is not prepared or willing to talk to him about. so the optics of this are terrible, quite frankly. >> commentators and legal experts are looking at this pardon of d'souza as a signal to his colleagues in the mueller investigation. the president said you've been a great voice for freedom and he said i have to tell you man-to-man, you've been screwed. he goes, i've been looking at the case. i knew from the beginning th

the fact check there is that bob mueller was the person who fired the agent in question or removed himrom the mueller probe upon learning about some of the political views expressed in his personal texts. so, talk to me about the broader war on the justice department aided and abetted and in my view directed by fox news, and the president's role in it. >> clearly the president is trying to do what we see defendants do frequently, which is to try to attack the investigators, put them on trial, to undermine confidence in any outcome they can have because if there's bad news that comes out of it, well, we can't trust them anyway. i think that robert mueller is someone who ignores all of this noise, who keeps his head down and continues to make progression progress in his investigation and tunes all this out. it is an unusual investigation. as you say, at the end of the day will be members of congress and not an impartial jury. so, some of that that goes on may influence the outcome at the end of the day. but i think if you're robert mueller and his crew, all you can do is to try to pursue

to ken starr who investigated the president clinton about the challenges that special prosecutor bob mueller faces and as always we will have plenty of analysis on all of the news of the week coming up on "face the nation". >> >> brennan: good morning, and welcome to "face the nation". both leaders have arrived in singapore for the historic face-to-face meetings. air force one touched down just a short while ago and north korean leader kim jong-un arrived earlier in the day and met with singapore's prime minister lee. yesterday president trump was asked if he had a clear objective for the talks. >> i have a clear objective, but i have to say that it is someths be spur of the moment. wow don't know. you know, this has not been done before at this level. this is a leader who really is an unknown personality, people don't know much about him. i think that he is going to surprise on the upside very much on the upside, we will see -- >> you look for from this initial talks to judge whether you think things are going well? >> well, i think the minimum would be relationship. >> you start at least a

but you never heard that from bob mueller. >> harris: that is what he said he was told. >> unlike kentarr on television once a week when he investigated white water, robert mueller never said a peep to the public. >> harris: do you doubt that is the case? >> i doubt it because of the depth of the level of the investigation. >> harris: the reason i ask we are going around and around and it seems like bob mueller retains his power. i wonder how it happens but you are saying "a," we don't know what he has. "b"? >> we won't know what he has until he says i'm not indicting anybody, here is what i found or here are the indictment and i will try the cases. he doesn't have to show his cards. contrary to my dear friend congressman gohmert. he doesn't have to show documents in the middle of the investigation. he has privilege to keep it secret until the investigation is over. >> i saw you shaking your head as i talked to the congressman. i appreciate your time. >> thank you. >> harris: house speaker paul ryan trying to calm a growing civil war on the ranks of the republicans. house republicans

i think bob mueller would view that as unimportant and not something he needs to follow. the president can tweet all i wants, and bob mueller is not the least bit interested in his tweets. >> i want to read you reporting of our own ken dilanian about this meeting with roger stone and mr. caputo. roger stone and michael caputo say they forgot to tell investigators about their contact with a russian national who goes by the name henry greenberg even though they say this greenberg fellow offered to sell incriminating information to the trump campaign for $2 million. well, first of all, how often in life are you just offered $2 million for campaign dirt, so i can see them forgetting. how is mueller likely to approach that story? why didn't you tell us the first time? >> he's likely to approach it as a lie. that's basically what it is. i mean this guy came to them. he was a russian. and caputo knew he was a russian. he set up the meeting with roger stone. roger stone met him. he had a heavy russian accent. he was -- roger stone remembered his accent. he remembered his hat. he

so the trump legal team's letter to bob mueller also asserts broad powers and privileges relating tothe president and the law regarding questions of obstruction it remains our position that the president's actions by his position as the chief law enforcement chief officer could neither constitutionally or legally constitute obstruction because that would amount to him obstructing himself. and that would allow him to pardon if he so desired. rudy giuliani elaborating on that again yesterday. >> do you believe he has the power to pardon himself? >> he -- he's not, but he probably does. he has no intention of pardoning himself but it doesn't say he can't. that's another really interesting constitutional argument. can the president pardon himself. it would be an open question. i think it would probably get the constitution says and if you want to change it, change it, but yeah. >> let's just file that one away, shall we? so this of course as the president accused his special counsel of misconduct. he tweeted this. snoon and just over a week president trump and kim jong un are scheduled t

i was most taken by lack of curiousty of bob mueller to reassign strzok back to fbi, you would think ter mueller found the text messages strzok talking about his bias against president that mueller would inquire and into whether or not investigative digs were impacted by the bias of his top investigate or strzok. i am flabbergasted that mueller did not seem to ask basic questions that someone would ask if they found out that their cleave investigator was spewing hate and bias about the very person they were supposed to be investigating in the trump campaign, there there are a lot more questions for bob mueller, my hope to get this information out to american people with public hearings exp and testimoy soon. lou: did strzok say anything of relevance, of means, subshan today? or more of the same, sudden he e cute, and he can do what he wants to frame the president of united states when he wishes or exonerate a democratic candidate for president when he wishes? >> it was very clear to me that peter strzok had deemed hillary clinton not guilty, before even interviewing her or conducting

>> i think that's of the things that's really quite interesting about this is why bob mueller iss outis contains evidence of behavior going back to february 27th. and so sort of why the beginning of june mueller isropping this now. you know, this is the same challenge wp running into this mueller's investigation. we don't know what part of the soda straw we're staring through right now. >> michael zeldon and garrett graff, thank you so much for that still ahead, the white house briefing got heated amid questions of consistent on the cancelling the eagles celebration at the white house. that's ahead. ancestrydna is only $69 for father's day. and with twice the detail of other tests... ...it can show dad where he's from ...and strengthen the bonds you share. give dad ancestrydna for just $69- our lowest father's day price ever. foallow you to take advantage of growth opportuninancial with a level of protection in down markets. so you can be less concerned about your retirement savings. talk with your advisor about shield annuities from brighthouse financial- established by metlife. so a

kma what's your sense of bob mueller's willingness to do that if it were to come to that? it's hard to know what mueller would do. the takeaway have from having read the memo, the trump legal team is certainly gambling he won't try to forge new legal ground here and bring bragrand y subpoena against a sitting president into a criminal proceeding, so rudy giuliani today said that the president is unlikely to sit voluntarily for an interview, which is a separate thing, but he did say, it's not entirely out of the realm of possibility. he said, you know, if the interview could be kept relatively short, if the questions are narrow in scape, if mueller meets a high bar, what he's seeking, they might be open to it. look, the special counsel as we know has been trying to get the president to sit for a face-to-face since september and the negotiations have been ongoing for the last six months, david. >> betsy, i want you to react to played at the top of rudy giuliani talking about the prospects for a presidential pardon of the president. you had rudy giuliani laughing that off at o

now he says it's unconstitutional, that he has the right to pardon himself and by the way bob muelleris probe is unconstitution unconstitutional. is this a line, a bridge too far for republicans in congress? they are all going to have to answer. or is t just another day? >> it's just another day because the president has been trying to obstruct, undermine, interfere with and cause confusion about this investigation from literally the day that it started. >> i don't think he's called it unkongs tu kongconstitutional b >> he's going to keep ratcheting it up until somebody makes it stop. there are trump supporters who are perfectly willing to say, let's let him say whatever he wants, let him redefine law, redefine the constitution, say whatever kind of crazy thing he wants about whether or not he can pardon himself and we'll just let the institutions take care of it somewhere down the road. no, there is no somewhere down the road. the institutions have to take effect now. that includes the media, the courts, and public opinion, the voters. everybody has to get involved when you hear this

bob mueller's team have just heaped every bit of pressure on manafort that they can.ow that manafort has something to give up but it's clear they're trying on to beg grossly swer so in offended by his actions here, this is another way for them to put pressure on him, to potentially put him behind bars. he's been sits al home for the last nine months. he's not allowed to leave home without permission from the judge, he's got an ankle bracelet. and if they put him behind bars it puts more pressure on him to cooperate with prosecutors and tell them anything he knows about the president or anybody else. >> so the president is just now as we speak tweeting about the russia investigation. he writes "the russian witch-hunt hoax continues all because jeff sessions did not tell me he was going to recuse himself. i would have quickly picked someone else. so much time and money wasted, so many lives ruined and sessions knew better than most that there was no collusion. gene robinson, second time in a week that president trump reminded us he wished he picked someone else to be at

>> i mean, the questions that bob mueller has for the president. i mean, still this large thing hanging out there, will the president sit down and talk to bob mueller and answer the questions that he wants him to. >> mike schmidt, thank you for your reporting. thanks for sharing it with us. >>> when we come back, more on the war on justice and those explosive charges from congressional republicans and how rosenstein is pushing back. >>> also ahead, inside the quiet campaign to guarantee donald trump a second supreme court vacancy. exclusive new reporting from "the new york times". and did an infamous radio pranks or trick the president of the united states aboard air force one? we'll play you that audio and let you decide. that's coming up. since my stroke, he hasn't left my side. with the right steps, 80% of recurrent ischemic strokes could be prevented. a bayer aspirin regimen is one step to help prevent another stroke. so, i'm doing all i can to stay in his life. be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. more "doing cho

trying to basically take that juror pool that is out there and taint it add much as possible against bob muellerch is why mueller filed this form in the court last week asking that the judge provide this jury questionnaire to all the jurors so they can really dig down and find out whether trump, rudy giuliani or the other surrogates have been successful with respect to any of the jury panels that could be selected for the 12-person jury on the manafort case. >> thank you both. up ahead, donald trump focusing on the real enemy, comedians. we have one of the original kings of comedy here with me tonight. i'm excited about that. firt first, why tit's bigger than th russia probe. we're back in 60 seconds. mmissi, fisher investments avoids them. some advisers have hidden and layered fees. fisher investments never does. and while some advisers are happy to earn commissions from you whether you do well or not, fisher investments fees are structured so we do better when you do better. maybe that's why most of our clients come from other money managers. fisher investments. clearly better money management