egypt of the muslim brotherhood. in libya that the brotherhood and al qaeda types. in syria we don't know. i personally would not be sad to see the regime go by there is a worry about the muslim brotherhood gaining power in syria. bahrain, you have i run benefiting. so in each of the situation, except tunisia which is pretty generally moderate, but facing some islamist stirrings. in each of these countries the most likely beneficiary our islam is there so you could see i think even it sounds crazy, but a push for a renewed caliphate if you see a islamist forces, to about and all of these countries in the middle east. you can see a push for unity. and i can tell you, i ran for one is looking to unify the muslim world against israel first, america's second. america is the ultimate price. >> host: in the book first you talk the saudi people than the sunday people. the saturday people would be the israelis, the. but what is the future of israel under this scenario, and specifically if you are benjamin netanyahu right now, are you at a point where you have to pull the tr

can take over and one of those i think the brotherhood will i mean this is a letter and tell you. this is one of the groups who are not organised one of the issues of this program is hijacking and rule what it will do you that's why i want to do this program you see there's a fear that the and i'm not going to just focus on the brothers only but other groups that could hijack this because organization is very important you can get rid of the head the the snake's head but you know the rest of the snake you have to deal with it it's a long process. absolutely it's a long process listen i worked in egypt as an anchor woman i had the t.v. show and i stayed there in two thousand and eight and i saw the far fought side of power for the regime but the part of the muslim brothers they were well organized they have they know the ground very well they know they gyptian people they know how to speak their language populist language is the one that will get them a lot of votes and you go to any mosque inside in everywhere in the south of egypt and if any is simple in mom even without the back

i would like to say we cannot separate the power of the muslim brotherhood now because who supported the muslim brothers or said that. the united states now the united states is negotiating with the muslim brothers you do ali i say george bush and bin ladden are twins so we cannot discuss the muslim brothers or the egyptian revolution in isolation from their superpowers and the word. quite attics the muslim brotherhood did not start their revolution the muslim brothers are not the majority in egypt they are the minority that evolution under twenty five of cannot he started without the muslim brothers there was not a single islamic slogan or christian or religious it was a very secular revolution from the beginning and when that revolution succeeded then the muslim rather dry and in the usual you do that also in just a few days ago on the it's of july the second revolution the muslim brotherhood did not share and they were even against it and today they are against the demonstrations but the media and of people in egypt are against treating and so the muslim brothers have no choice so

political class and the fact that the brotherhood is the only group despite its own problems its own from internal fragmentation but has been able to create sort of a bloc and the other groups have not been able to do so ok rule as i think is very interesting you say liberals are afraid of the people said differently because they know what they're doing the muslim brotherhood is out there and i want to talk about that later in the program but we can talk about it now they're very well organized and they're getting prepared for the like it's got a real rough first time going i had. yeah yeahs they are very well organized they've been working since so many years let's remember one fact not this election not the parliament the last election the one before. muslim brother that barak brothers they want eighty seats in the parliament eighty out of three hundred something seats eight they want eighty seats in a country that we know that the election where and totally free but the regime had to give some playing and make a deal with a muslim brother and i think they did some how they divided

is only going to you because it is the muslim brotherhood is a political factor on the ground i mean how do you deal with it ok in this party with a lot of you know the answer go ahead. of course any sort of oh if you will i think you know the problem is. how you do that on a practical and i think the our need the supreme council of your own forces also as i probably know a lot of people at. using of striking a deal with the brotherhood that which to some degree is true because at the end of the day the brotherhood is at this point in time the only force they can reasonably acquire a twenty five thirty percent of qualified minority will lead him to be did the greatest party in the near future egyptian parliament how you deal with the liberals i think that is where the problem lays in that they could have not been able to create a. brotherhood the coalition where you have forces from all walks of life that anyways do not share these almost platform and views and run against them and this is where i think the problem internally niji in egypt lies now going back to what your guest was t

the muslim brotherhood very prepared for this election here and nobody else seems to be prepared and they're afraid of what. i would like to say we cannot separate the power of the not rather now because who supported the muslim brothers or so that. the united states now the united states is negotiating with the muslim brothers you do really i say george bush and then lead them out of twins so we cannot discuss the muslim brothers or of the egyptian revolution in isolation from their super followers and there were. quite a ticks the muslim brotherhood this is not start their revolution the muslim brothers are not the majority in egypt they are the minority that evolution under twenty five of generally started without the muslim brothers there was not there seemed. christian or religious it was a very secular revolution from the beginning when their revolution succeeded them the muslim brotherhood dry and are in the usual you do bet. also in just a few days of it's of delight with the second group the muslim brotherhood did not share and they wouldn't even i didn't think they are agai

using of striking a deal with the brotherhood which to some degree is true because at the end of the day the brotherhood is at this point in time the only force they can reasonably acquire a twenty five percent of qualified minority will lead him to be did the greatest party in maine or the future egyptian parliament or how you deal with the liberals i think that is where the problem lays in that they could have not been able to create the brotherhood the coalition where you have forces from all walks of life but anyways do not share these almost platform views and run against them and this is where i think the problem internally niji in egypt lies now going back to what your guest was talking about in terms of the international perspective an american perspective i would disagree with your position views the united states as having never supported the muslim brotherhood i think that is historically false i think the big dilemma there in washington now is out there either solve it refusing to even talk to the brother or the which was something you and i call critical and not very pra

are the muslim brotherhood is out there and i want to talk about that later in the program or we can talk about it now they're very well organized and they're getting prepared for the way i was going to rule very first i'm going to i head to head yeah yeah yeahs they're very well organized they've been working since so many years let's remember one fact not this election not the parliament the last election the one before. muslim brotherhood there is they want eighty seats in the parliament eighty out of three hundred something see if they they want eighty seats in a country that we know that the election where in total are free but the regime had to give some playing and make a deal with the muslim brother and i think they did some how they divided the power you control as mother and muslim brothers social issues so they are in charge of many things if you go to the universities if you go inside of the matter of the hospitals health care these patients and muslim brothers there where very well organized socially if you go to the mosque and you are a poor person they will take care o

we have to be at work at 6:00. >> a more sinister brotherhood attempts to spread. >> brotherhoods don't normally get on cameras. i really got tired of seeing rats in dropout speaking for the brotherhood. >> an inmate gets in over his head. >> i was in my cell, sitting in my cell, and i got rushed by two guys that came in and beat me up, and look -- >> everything that i have, and everything that i ever will have is in this cell. >> and using personal cameras provided by our producers, inmates speak their minds. >> i'm a member of the most one of despised, one of the most feared prison organizations to exist in this country. everybody hates us. but i'm here to tell you that we're a group of white men who are proud to be white. we make no a apologies for being white. and we have a code of honor that we live by. >> the aryan brotherhood is the largest gang at indiana state prison. to no longer be a member of good standing is to be in a very unfortunate position. >> i got jumped. >> by whom? >> it really is all have to do with gangs. i used to be in a gang. i used to be affiliated. this was

muslim brotherhood?lim brotherhood won't look for plan to control whole egypt. >> magdy khalil says the brother hood is exchanging power and control. originally elections planned for september, the military council says they'll be delayed until november. more time maybe needed to overcome the political advantage to the better organized muslim brotherhood. >> the muslim brotherhood and others will win the majority seats in the parliament. christians and secularist don't want to see that happen. they are trying to slow this whole process down. they have launched a new campaign called constitution first. >> constitution first is like modern united states in 1867 muslim brotherhood and council, they support elections first and liberals and the moderate muslims support constitution first. >> christians an secularist fear if the parliamentary election is held first tmuslim brotherhood and other parties will write the constitution that will islamize egypt and impose sharia law. >> there is a majority of people

and i think the one thing about the brotherhood, what the brotherhood is not in this for democracy org else at the end of the day but power. that's what they're after. and if it takes some democratic talk and it takes a little peacefulness at the initial stages, then that's what they'll do. but at the end of the day, they want to be the government of egypt. and that has to be the american, i think, optic here. we're going to have to deal with an islamist government in egypt that's going to be decidedly unfriendly to the israelis, very reluctant to take advice from the americans, and if we pull our aid, the saudis will step in. the saudis probably have already stepped in with the brotherhood. >> michael, i hate to cut you off but time grows short. the only thing i would add to that is i think there certainly is a school of thought that agrees entirely with you about the muslim brotherhood. there's another school that says they have changed fundamentally. only time will tell. michael, phil, thanks for being here. >> thank you, sir. >> thank you. >>> coming up, a senator who's had it wit

dozens of parties have been formed, including one link to the muslim brotherhood. banned under mubarak, years of charitable work have given it a head start. >> the patients at the islamic medical association hospital made before, but the care they receive is anything but. with help averaging just 3% of the national budget, state hospitals are underfunded and poorly staffed. >> we are very well received here. the doctors do not just ask us to be quick and leave like they do in public hospitals. >> imagine british consultants offering their services for 1/10 of what they could get in private clinics. that is with some of the doctors here are doing. >> we have to support them. no. perhaps people might come here and say that the moslem brotherhood is doing a good thing, so they will vote for them. >> this is a hospital. we're dealing with medical problems. not political. >> the islamic medical association was set up in 1977. that is a lot of patience who believe the brotherhood has provided where the state has failed. >> the doctors in the clinics may be motivated pure

the muslim brotherhood in egypt, is it the same to the muslim brotherhood in libya and syria?first question about intervening, it is not a question of intervening but whether we should support on authoritarian regimes or not. and that is the first question. with regards to hamas, the muslim brotherhood is very much on like -- unlike hamas in that it does not have an armed wing. there are some similarities, however. yes, the similarities are ideological. they have similar accounting principles in terms of their views of the role of politics. a very different organization and in terms of the use of violence and military. host: we will take a call from yonkers, new york, on the independent line. what is on your mind this sunday morning? steve, are you there? caller: hello? host: good morning. caller: i was calling about the state of the coptic christians in egypt. i think there's probably a plan to eradicate them. let's be clear here. there are churches being burned. they are harassed. i do not see any intellectuals in this country saying anything about it or caring about it. we

has in contacting the muslim brotherhood. well i think they recognize that it's national the best organized group in this post all right situation and so if you still actions go ahead in september the likelihood is that it will be if not majority party. and it's also with the americans distancing themselves from the support for many decades of barak and his so. precedent that those who are now fairly negative very negatively by many egyptians absolute miracles want to say it's nothing to do with ours or we're talking before february of this year but this does mark a slight change of america's interest in egypt has been limited space travel agents say why the change in approach now the thing well in one sense does change attack although we have to remember that the americans and the british before them saw the muslim brotherhood as a useful potential ally against an arab nationalism against anti west arab nationalism of the sort and originally president sadat represented to egypt more recently they have been looking at the ara

has in contacting the muslim brotherhood. well i think they recognize that it's by far the best group in this. situation and so if the lections going to hit in september the likelihood is that it will be. good. and it's also with the americans distancing themselves from the support for many decades of oracle is so. there's the rest of the food on how. very much we're going to many egyptians. want to say it's nothing to do with ours forward on before the birth of this year but this does mark is quite strange attack doesn't it america's interest in egypt has been limited space revolutions they want to change the plates now the thing what it wants and strange attack although we have to remember that in america is in the british before the muslim brotherhood as a useful potential ally against an arab nationalism against anti-christ arab nationalism nasser i did originally from sadat representative egypt recently they have been looking at the arab spring to a collapsible threat to paris to regimes some former allies like with bara

the brotherhood is rich from donations from around the arab world. it's leaders like osama arian have been out campaigning at egyptian universities. the muslim brotherhood, egypt's most powerful political group says it wants, quote, islamic democracy. >> we need to give the whole world a new version of democracy. >> reporter: the brotherhood says it is not antagonistic to the united states, but it is staunchly anti-israel. >> israel cannot do it. >> reporter: why not? >> because they want to live in war. it is the history of the jewish people. >> reporter: in tahrir square today, both groups were out, the secular revolutionaries and the muslim brotherhood, each demanding faster change. this is a struggle for egypt's future. in addition to the protests here, there were also demonstrations in sharm el sheikh in front of the hospital where the egyptian government says mubarak is under medical supervision. brian? >> richard, unbelievable turn of events since you and i stood in that spot five months ago. richard engel back in cairo for us. thanks. >>> whe

. >> rose: what is the threat of the muslim brotherhood. >> to manage the hijacking or the kidnapping of the revolution r do you think they can do that? >> i think they started to do that, you know. i think they start to do that. >> rose: you fear the muslim brotherhood. >> i am responsible what i am saying. if you took a sample on january 25 of let's say 1,000 young kids, 1,000 people from the square and on january 25. >> re: right. >> you would find that the -- would have 20% muslim brotherhood youth and 80% i will call them the free youth. the kids made us all look really bad. >> rose: people say the muslim brotherhood doesn't represent more than 10, 15 percent of the people of egypt. >> less, maybe. >> rose: so why do you think they can overtake this revolution. >> i will tell you. an organized 10% is better than an unorganized 60%. >> re: popular unrest continues to sweep across the middle east and north africa as egypt d tunisia transition towardsemocracy, the question remains, what of the models in the muslim world r this process. many have poind to indonesia and turkey. we tra

>> hopefully the message is pushed that the muslim brotherhood is not only a threat in egypt, the brotherhoodhave a strong presence, right here in america, and, they are working actively in the halls of power, the white house, the media, the educational institutions, to advance an inherently anti-american agenda that has nothing in common with the u.s. constitution. it sounds conspiratorial, bill, and i know and it is a fact and we know it because the fbi as i said has uncovered these documents, that lay out their entire strategy, for america. bill: the hirings called combination of muslim brotherhood, 50 year history of infiltrating america and we'll see what comes up and if there is a headline we'll bring you back tomorrow, eric, thank you. >> thanks, bill. bill: alisyn? alisyn: well, there is a scramble on capitol hill, of course as both sides are trying to get their plans passed for the debt crisis, california congressman adam schiff joins us live to break done a bill the democrats are rolling out -- break down a bill the democrats are rolling out. and after a horrible crash we hear from

the muslim brotherhood in egypt, is it the same to the muslim brotherhood in libya and syria?: the first question about intervening, it is not a question of intervening but whether we should support on authoritarian regimes or not. and that is the first question. with regards to hamas, the muslim brotherhood is very much on like -- unlike hamas in that it does not have an armed wing. there are some similarities, however. yes, the similarities are ideological. they have similar accounting principles in terms of their views of the role of politics. a very different organization and in terms of the use of violence and military. host: we will take a call from yonkers, new york, on the independent line. what is on your mind this sunday morning? steve, are you there? caller: hello? host: good morning. caller: i was calling about the state of the coptic christians in egypt. i think there's probably a plan to eradicate them. let's be clear here. there are churches being burned. they are harassed. i do not see any intellectuals in this country saying anything about it or caring about i

except to advance the muslim brotherhood and make america look weak. it looks like we are the is up can't, please, can we -- we are the is up can't, please can we meet with you. there was nothing to be ginned. why the president did it now and it in such a public fashion is inexplicable. if he wanted contacts, off the stage. why make this an act that gives legitimacy to the muslim brotherhood? >> when our enemies tell us who they are, believe them. there is no mystery. they've openly stated their agenda is to islamize societies. to establish a global islamic caliphate. -- to destroy israel and expand sharia truth the west. it is not like we are trying to read tea leaves. why would the administration think is a group they could do business with? >> i have no idea. let's get more sophisticated. there are elements within the muslim brotherhood beginning to be fracturing on the edges. this may have only way we could express ourselves before the fall of mubarak. all of this stuff about jihad and violence, maybe there's a different course we ought to go. we'v

sheryl says young organizers like her are losing power to the egyptian brotherhood. >> reporter: just compare the real estate, in january the muslim brotherhood's office was a small apartment with a tiny sign outside. their headquarters now, a palatial six story villa, with guilded furniture, chandeliers, and the group's logo, crossed swords and the koran. the brother hood is rich from donations from around the arab world. it's leaders like osama arian are -- egypt's most powerful political group says it wants quote, islamic democracy. >> we need to give the whole world a new version of democracy. >> reporter: the brotherhood says it is not antagonistic to the united states, but it is staunchly anti-israel. >> israel cannot do it. >> reporter: why not. >> because they want to live in war. it is the history of the jewish people. >> reporter: in tahrir square today, both groups were out, the secular revolutionaries and the muslim brotherhood, each demanding faster change. this is a struggle for egypt's future. in addition to the protests here, there were also demonstrations in shar mel

people have i should say criticize the muslim brotherhood they didn't take part in january in the protest now they are here some might say that they're inflating their popularity with these protests what do you think. when we have the form of the parson in from islamists on liberals over the last few months and i don't think this is very healthy i mean it's not it's not really has to do so you put spit on who's not what i'm shooting twenty eight so for john kerry the muslim brotherhood were there on the perspective very strong. to be honest they are very well revised they've been working on the ground on the ground but on the ground for a long long time period not the most on the kids or at least when i will start to know what's muslim brotherhoods about. and we have to give them some credit for them but i think that inflated does not ask we want the power for their vote is that inflated that we hadn't thought would think. they are not as ready as we think to the election and stuff like that. but they're organized and i think some of the people of the blaming them for a lot of things what

about these events that were seen tonight we're looking at over your shoulder there the muslim brotherhood which many consider a radical islamist movement also we're playing a part in the mass demonstrations how significant is their involvement. well this is i think it's perhaps the most important political group because we hear about people like professor elvira die about our muso and so on as people who might want to be president of egypt but they don't have a party political base a mass movement the muslim brotherhood may have been illegal and underground for decades but it's a powerful organization it has quite a lot of local support it's also been playing a very clever game i think recently of reaching out to the american embassy to american potential investors saying we are moderate muslims we are in favor of the market economy where not like they are tollers in iran and so they're trying to remove one potential foreign obstacle to coming to power. whether they will necessarily be able to muster the votes if there is anything like a properly conducted free and fair election must be o

>> the brotherhood again. the islamists are benefiting the most. some of them are extreme muslims and they are benefiting to the extent that they have a voice and they can speak freely. under the bark, they were oppressed. the youth movement that created this possibility seems to be lagging behind. -- under mubarak, they were oppressed. >> i have to stop you. we appreciate it. now to a system known as blood quantum. this is the complex formulas used by hundreds of tribes to determine who is eligible to be a member. there are marriages between tribes and other races increase, this is becoming increasingly difficult where a person belongs. paul adams has been to north dakota to see whether a new system is in order. >> this family is at home. there unmistakably native american. actually, only 39.8%. their parents are from different tribes. when the girls were born, did not recognize each other's blood. there are still strict rules. >> they do not accept cherokee blood, navajo but -- blood, etc. that leaves a good fraction out of my overall equation. t

secretary of state has announced that washington has been in contact with egypt's muslim brotherhood the move was welcomed by the country's largest islamic group which has a strong following in egypt international relations professor mark i'll notice says that the u.s. is looking for an ally that can influence the egyptian people. motional the best organized group in this post mubarak situation and so if you if the elections go ahead in september the likelihood is that to be if not majority portable just good . and it's also where the americans are distancing themselves from the support for many decades of barak and his sister. but it's a food. for the negative very quickly by many egyptians but we have to remember that the americans and the british before with the muslim brotherhood as a useful potential ally against the west of nationalism recently they have been looking at the arab spring to the collapse of the threat to various arab dictatorial regimes some former allies talk with barak and egypt all those enemies like assad in syria and they see the muslim brotherhood which is a

egypt's powerful muslim brotherhood says it's willing to meet with the u.s.after secretary of state hilary clinton opened the door limited talks. >> it is in the interest of the united states to engage with all parties that are peaceful and committed to nonviolence. >> reporter: analysts say the brotherhood is too influential to ignore. >> the american administration also has no choice but to talk to the muslim brotherhood. they are the major power. and if there is a fair election tomorrow i think they will control, you know, most of the seats in the parliament. >> reporter: those elections are scheduled for september. but egyptians don't want to wait that long for change. they say they want their basic rights ranging from freedom of expression to limited police powers. activists are calling for a mass rally next friday to save the revolution. and like last time they say they won't leave tahrir square until their demands are met. cbs news, london. >> mitchell: some sport news to tell you about. rafael nadal 20 match wimbledon winning streak ended today on cen

they should not favor handing over to the muslim brotherhood. there is a huge difference between muslims, muslim brotherhood's who are behind al qaeda, who were behind 9/11. .. >> of course to the universal declaration of rights and not according to sharia as muslim brotherhoods are claiming. actions are needed. actions are needed now before it's too late. thank you. [applause] [applause] >> mr. maher, thank you very much. and thank you to miss dawson and clark as well. it's moving to hear your testimony. those of us in c-span, i will say that chairman smith and the other commissioners have left to vote, because this hearing is so important. and we have c-span here live. we're going to continue the proceedings, the chairman, by the way, my name is mark milosch, i'm the chief of staff with the health commission, and someone from mr. smith's staff on personal issues. we'll proceed. the first question that i have, have any muslim leaders in egypt condemned the kidnapping, forced marriage, forced conversion of coptic christian girls? has anyone spok

our people have i should say criticize the muslim brotherhood they didn't take part in january in the protest now they are here some might say that they're inflating their popularity with these protests what do you think. what we're talking the accusation for mostly for something from islamists on the kurds over the last few new few ounces i don't think this is very healthy i mean it's not it's not really hurts to see you speak on who's not but i'm sure the twenty eight so for john kerry the muslim brotherhood were there on the perspective very strong . notice they are very want to revise they've been working on the ground on the ground but on the ground for a long long time period not the most on the kids or a swindle. thank you what's most of all the results and we have to give them some credit for them i think though inflated them not us clear and the power for their own has been inflated their hope that's real and i do think. they are not as ready as we think of a russian stock like that. though denies. i think some of the people it's a living them for a lot of plays well i mean i

we have a mexican mafia, we have nf, northern familia, the northern structure, the aryan brotherhood and nazi low rider. these guys are here because of their criminal activity. it's either drug related, assaults on staff assaults on other inmates. we do house the worst of the worst here, therefore, security is paramount. while you've been validated as a gang member, you're going to remain in shu. >> one of the most dangerous inmates in the shu is a gang member, whose goal from childhood was to become a made m man in the mexican mafia. he is shackled by two officers, they insisted our staff wear puncture resistant masks when interviewing him. heart's always been brown. i was in l.a. county jail for 3.5 years. they put me on trial for murder/robbery and possession of heroin. whether i was innocent or not, just by looking at me, i was guilty. and i was pissed. there was no way i was going to let the system give me life in prison unless it was on my terms and i earned it. so -- oh, i owned it all right. >> we listened to tapes of a jailhouse admission to a murder to become a made man in