, host of the charles coleman brought podcast. nn kirschner, nbc legal analyst, former federal prosecutor, and house of the justice matters podcast. gentlemen, welcome in both of you, we appreciate your time. charles, what are the key differences here between pence, biden, and trump's document cases? how does this affect the ongoing investigations? >> i think you can comfortably put pence and biden in a similar category, you are talking about a very different document to begin with. the other reason why i would put them together, at the end of the day, this is also a conversation around a woefulness of withholding the documents that you see in donald trump's case, ultimately which led to a search warrant being -- at mar-a-lago, and as opposed to both pence and president biden, essentially volunteering in turning over the documents without having to go through back and forth with the national archive, and back and forth with the department of justice, and the fbi looking for them to return documents that do not belong to them. i thi

. >> joining me now is msnbc legal analyst, charles coleman. civil rights attorney, former prosecutor, and host of the charles coleman podcast. welcome, my friend. look, let's we've -- been talking about this investigation, it's been under lock and key for months. is it okay that the four woman is being this open about what went on? have you seen this before? is it legal? >> well alex, it is legal. there are different rules in different distinctions, and the judge who was over this case, and over this grand jury in the investigation, made it clear that they were able to talk about it, but they give them specific rules as to what it was that they could and could not say. and i believe that the four person has done her best in trying to abide by those rules. now, the question of them being legal is one thing. but the question of them being helpful is entirely different. this is not helpful for fani willis and the fulton county da's office as they are now trying to make a decision as to which of the grand jury's recommendations they will move forw

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joining me now, msnbc legal analyst and former prosecutor charles coleman knew, he is a host of the charlesno widespread election fraud in 2020. could day, could they be seeking perjury charges for witnesses who would otherwise said there were and repeated the big lie to that front? >> absolutely, michael. that is one of the first hurdle that needs to get out of the way. we all knew this. this is something that was widespread in terms of how accepted it was. in order for someone to move forward on charges of trying to disrupt the lawful election, you have to establish the lawful election occurred. there was very little question as to whether this was a free and fair election. for the purposes of legally clearing that hurdle, now that the grand jury has already decided that and put those findings out as part of this-limited release of information in the report, there could be no question. it just makes it a lot easier to find how to move forward. >> mark meadows has now been subpoenaed by both of the georgia grand jury and trump's special counsel. my question is why aren't the state and fede

and charles coleman is an msnbc legal analyst. and host of the charles coleman podcast.accountability here. shannon, based on the conversations that you are having, what is the -- do you have a sense of the timeline that we are looking at for potential indictments or other findings specifically from the georgia case? >> well that is the million dollar question, isn't it? as was said at a recent hearing -- she thought decisions on indictments would be imminent. later on one of our reporters qatar in a hallway and asked her what imminent meant and she said legally eminent. not a reporter imminent. whatever that means. so we are hoping to see those soon. i think anyone who saw the brief release of information, you know, five pages, not even all of them filled. you, know left tantalizing clues for what is to come. but it really didn't give us a ton of information. so i would think in the coming weeks, but the person who knows that for sure is fani willis. >> and she is holding her cards close. there are not a lot of leaks out of that office. charles, a long these lines, we t

joining us now are molly jiang fast, host of the fast baltics bacchus and charles coleman, msnbc analystsstart with you. this trump team, still finding more classified materials, now a trump aides laptop has been handed over to federal agents. your reaction given the fact that the fbi has already searched mar-a-lago yet things are still popping up? >> ayman, this does not come as much of a surprise to me, given everything we know about the length of time, the national archives began to request documents and they had trouble accessing those documents, so in that timeframe, we already know that donald trump instructed people to move various documents to places along a massive estate in mar-a-lago and is not complete surprise to me that things are still turning up. it is a disgrace, and i do think that jack smith is taking note of the fact that these things continue to pop up, and the fact that there is now a locked up in the mix, even further exacerbates the severity of the situation, but ultimately, this is not changed jacks myths course what or the other, because everything else, the volu

joining me now is charles coleman jr., civil rights attorney, former prosecutor and legal animist, and tia mitchell, washington correspondent for the atlanta journal conconstitution. tia, i'm going to start with you. i want to go back to refresh people's memory in who was on the call when trump said i need to find 11,000 votes. mark meadows, his lawyer, cleta mitchell, another lawyer, brad raffensperger, georgia secretary of state, who did testify to the grand jury, ryan german, a general counsel for the secretary of state's office, and deputy secty of state, jordan fucs. when you think about that list of people, and those who actually did sit for interviews, and you hear people might have lied, i want to put that list up of people who testified who are more trump's people. there's raffensperger, obviously, brian kemp. you can't imagine him wanting to do that, newt gingrich, lindsey graham, rudy giuliani, you have mark meadows. is there any reporting on anyone feeling nervous about their testimony having heard that the grand jury believes someone lied? >> well, i think the most -- one

prosecutor, msnbc legal analyst, and host of the charles coleman podcast.to do, but you have one more thing to do, please explain to me whether that is going to hurt the case? because i think lisa reuben, our legal analyst, she might be irritated by any grand juror talking publicly now. still, emily's pursuit of her 15 minutes is not likely to preclude anyone from serving their term. that's her take. what is yours? >> i agree with lisa. she's extremely bright and usually on point and this is no exception. as a former prosecutor, though, it makes me very, very nervous. it makes me nervous because while the rules do allow for her to do this, and sort of go on this clout chasing tour, 15 minutes of fame, donald trump has been the proverbial gingerbread man. haven't been able to wrap our minds around the fact that we need to indict him and hold him accountable. this has been for my perspective one of the strongest cases against him thus far. to see it jeopardized in any way, shape, or form because of a foreperson who wanted to get in front of a camera and giddi

joining me now, former brooklyn prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst, charles coleman. issue of executive privilege. this is not the first time that it's come up in relation to donald trump and the january six investigations. it is important to note that this investigation seeks -- conversations between trump and pence that did not have anything to do with governing. they were private conversations that could have discussed criminal activity. does the claim of executive privilege make a difference now that it involves mike pence? >> alex, it does not. we have seen donald trump run this play number of times. while he was president, it may have been successful, what i can assure you now is that the likelihood of it being successful has significantly decreased. number one, we're talking about conversations, like you said, potentially involving criminal activity. in those cases, executive privilege does not apply. number two, donald trump is not the president anymore. so, this issue has actually been litigated before. there is precedent that would apply in the situation tha

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joining me now, civil rights attorney and former brooklyn prosecutor, charles coleman. lcome. both pence and meadows are very high-profile witnesses. so, what does this tell you about where the investigation stands right now? >> well, alex, what i've been saying from the very start is that mark meadows, for me is, likely the linchpin in terms of any doj investigation turning into a prosecution. the reason i say that is because, as the chief of staff, he had unfettered access to donald trump. in many respects, he is not gonna be able to rely on some of the executive privilege exclusions that mike pence and others have claimed when they are trying to evade prosecutors in their investigation. i think that mike pence being subpoenaed is an important sign. what they're trying to do their is to ultimately get information and possible testimony from a witness that -- credible in front of a jury. for me, again, because mark meadows has been so quiet. he's the real important witness that people need to be watching. >> interesting. let's take a listen to what some of what penn sai

joining me now is civil rights attorney and former brooklyn prosecute, charles coleman, and msnbc legal analyst, lisa reuben. charles, you and i were talking as we were watching this, and this is a case we haven't covered on the show. it's unusual for somebody to take the stand in their own defense in a murder trial like this, and it seems like he was doing it against the wishes of his own defense team. >> right. >> so how is he doing? this decision that he has made for himself, how is it playing out? >> i would say it's not playing out well, and unfortunately lawyers can be some of the most difficult clients, and i say that because -- >> murdaugh is a lawyer. >> yes, and in many cases, we as lawyers think we can walk into this space, and because we've been in that space before, we think we understand it. we can operate from a different perspective, that of being a witness, a defendant, and that's not always true. there are all sorts of different factors that you don't face as a lawyer, that you can't necessarily prepare someone for. the other side to that is when you are an attorney to

prosecutor, civil rights attorney, and host of the charles coleman podcast. jim, sadly for, you know you get the call whenever the situation like this. walk us through everything you've learned so far tonight, and what's changed about your assessment since we just heard from law enforcement. >> the biggest change obviously is that the p.i.o. they're talked about they have a photograph of the killer that they're gonna release within the hour. if that photograph is recognizable, especially recognizable for someone who may know the person, maybe look at a quick identification on it. i'm sure it's been circulated around all the patrol officers, in east lansing, he's got a criminal record even an officer can recognize him. if you look at a 90. as the biggest thing that came out of there. but what they did earlier, just briefly steph, is that a quick response, they went into the drill, the active shooter drill, but we are all were trained on. frank, recalls we all trained on that post columbine. all law enforcement was, you know, tuned in untrained into. it it look

. >> ben finklestein, thank you so much, i want to bring in frank for clues, the charles coleman. jim kavanaugh. frank, just hearing that young man's voice. we're just talking, about this is an active shooter situation, they're gonna find this guy move on. how did these kids move on? >> you are that young boy, this changes everything, he's gonna graduate the first week of, may and his world's been turned upside down. like so many other kids in this country. >> you know stephanie, i think that fortunately the sad state of where we are today, with regard to gun violence, as we don't ever really move on, but rather we learn to manage, victims, and those traumatized from being around these incidents. how these are traumatized by simply been exposed to this day in and day out. that's almost not a pressure moving on, it's a question of how we manage, this in our lives, in our legislatures. in our communities, and our families. but it's human nature to kind of want to wall off from this but when you do, that we lose the ability to act, -- made one of the many things will talk about michi

joining me is civil rights attorney and former brooklyn prosecutor, charles coleman, laura jarrett, msnbc legal analyst and criminal defense attorney danny cevallos, and criminal defense attorney in south carolina, jack swirling, a close associate of murdaugh defense attorney dick harpootlian. we have been watching him talking about how murdaugh is a liar, he had an addiction issue, he's a liar, over and over again. the one point from today that i think was potentially very hard for murdaugh is when they went through the time line of the murders themselves, and i want to just play a sound bite of murdaugh explaining what he says happened in the minutes surrounding the murders. >> i can tell you that at that time, and as i sit here today, that i believe that boat wreck is the reason while pau-pau and maggie were killed. >> okay. >> and i believe that. >> it was random vigilantes, the 5'2" vigilantes. >> what i believe, mr. waters, is i believe that when paul was charged criminally, there were so many leaks, half truth, half reports, half sometimes partial information, misrepresentations of

charles coleman is your, civil rights attorney and former new york prosecutor. avery wilkes, chief investigative reporter for the post carrier, and columbia, south carolina and like douglas, reporter for the hilton head packet also in south carolina. avery, against his lawyers own advice, alex murdaugh took the stand all day long. why? >> there are certain things in this case that no one can explain but alex murdaugh. there are outstanding questions and theories and suspicions that have been raised by prosecutors over the last four weeks. they have presented witnesses who have talked about suspicious behavior or things that murdaugh did do in the hours and days and weeks after the slayings, or things that he didn't do during that time that he thought were odd and thought potentially might mean that he was the actual killer. this is a last ditch effort for the defense and for murdaugh himself to try to explain those things. things like why did you lie to investigators repeatedly about where you were that evening and about the fact that you saw mcgahn paul? -- als

eddie glaude, always great to have you, and charles coleman, antonia hylton, thank you for your fantastic reporting we appreciate it. >>> the funeral is expected to start in an hour after a delay in weather and travel. guad venegas is covering the storm in memphis. at this hour, 25 million people across the country are under weather winter advisories. what's going on out there? >> reporter: chris, that is correct. we know that the main cities where this alert is in place. dallas, oklahoma city, austin, and little rock, arkansas, and here in memphis, authorities are asking people to avoid travel if possible. i have some icicles from the buildings around us. this is what we have, and pretty much everything behind me is frozen, the streets are frozen in memphis. the temperature did rise a little bit. it's about 30 degrees. when i last checked a few minutes ago, so it's getting a little more wet, but it's even slipperier than it was before. we have seen a lot of people fall crossing the street, you know, some vehicles have been making their way through memphis, but it's very dangerous to driv

with me is charles coleman, civil rights attorney and msnbc legal analyst.an't believe that this was granted. i mean, talking about how rare these field trips typically are. what's your understanding of why the judge is saying let's do this? >> i'm personally familiar with judge newman, i'll put that out there, and i respect his legal accumen in terms of the ruling. this is an interesting case because the time line, the distance, everything that is necessary in order to make an informed decision about the evidence in front of the jury, does require some level of familiarity with the layout, and how it works and the distance between different spaces. what i find very interesting about this is that the crime scene is going to be more secure for the jury than it was during the investigation, and i think that's a very sort of nuanced point that people need to understand. there's going to be more security in terms of preserving the nature and the space of where things are. when that jury goes to see that scene than it was when the police actually failed to secure

. >> joining me here onset, charles coleman, former brooklyn prosecutor and nbc legal analyst.ed that day. the injuries they sustained. some lost their lives. but is it also potential evidence in a criminal case? >> it is. i think that when you're talking about how we got here, particularly in his case. he was part of a text group that basically talked about how they were going to arm themselves. how they were going to prepare themselves to go to d.c. with tasers, with ammunition, with body armor. they knew what they were going there for. and so while trump is not a sympathetic scapegoat, in this case when you hear him talk and sob and talk about how he thought it was going to be awesome and he thought he was goeng to be a good guy, that's hard to believe when it will be used against him because he knew what he was going there to do. whether he can try to pin this on i did it because donald trump told me to remains to be seen, but what we heard during that interview would absolutely confirm he knew who he was going to d.c. to do and he was intentional to do it. >> let's talk ab

my thanks to charles coleman, lisa rubin. there's a lot more other news to get to today. nicolle wallace picks things unfortunate as ""deadline: white house"" starts right now. >> i everybody. it's close to 5:00 here in new york. thank you for sticking around. we're going to turn now to news from capitol hill and the ongoing threat to our democracy, something we've been covering here on this program day in and day out. there's been a stunning development in that decision by speaker kevin mccarthy. it shows that in today's republican party, handing over sensitive security footage of a domestic terrorism attack, how it was described by the sitting fbi director, an attack that led to multiple deaths and hundreds of injuries for the law enforcement officials who protected the capitol that day, it endangered the lives of the vice president, his family. we all saw them run, and every single member of congress in both parties. that footage is now in the hands of one of the most prominent conspiracy theorists in this country and one who specifically peddles conspiracy about domes