and i'm hesitant to even call this chechen terrorism yet. what i will call it is the act of two individuals in an act of terrorism. we simply don't know whether or not there are any real direct links. but in chechnya you've had two phases. a separatist movement since the end of the soviet union that over time has morphed into an islamist movement. in the past 15 years, elements of al qaeda have fought there. bin laden when he was still alive pledged public support to the islamists fighting there. and we saw even pre-9/11, an amalgamation of chechen fighters into al qaeda camps, et cetera. it doesn't mean there were broad alliances or strong cooperation between both forces. it just means there was this interaction. so there -- if, in fact, there are direct links back to the chechen islamist movement, this will be the first time you've seen an attack on behalf of the checen islamist movement outside of russia. but we're a long ways from being there yet. >> and yet we do know that tamerlan, who was 26 and was killed, he had last year traveled b

being an ethnic chechens, he is close to chechnya, two hours away. have bad -- he must have very bitter memories of the first chechen war. they were heavily bombarded by ets and thatd j the chechens had to get out as did that. there are bitter memories of his time in chechnya. maybe that passed on to his children as well are. and 100 people have been killed after a magnitude 6.6 earthquake hit southwest china. it struck early saturday morning and happened at 12 kilometers below ground. thousands of soldiers have been sent to the area to help with the rest to effort. of herped in the rubble house, this girl is one of the many people across the china province whose home has been flattened or badly damaged by the earthquake. sent 2000ities have soldiers to the area. the premier has flown in to coordinate the rescue efforts. uprgency services have set some -- temporary hospitals in the street to treat the hundreds of people who have been injured. he epicenter was near yahan city. many families have been left homeless and destitute. >> we were living in o

he suppressed a chechen rebellion by deporting the entire chechen population to central asia, a deeplyperience, as much as a third or a half of the chechen population died there. in the '90s and early 2000s, russia fought a brutal war there against chechen separatist who is became increasingly affiliated with the islamic, islamic terrorist insurgencies around the world. >> it radicalized both sides, russia and the chechens, for the churchens, the chechens because increasingly radicalized and islamized. >> i want to bring the folks in new york into this. what's interesting to me, the chechen terrorist attacks in russia have been staggering. what has happened to the chechen population in the course of the last 100 years, they've been brutalized, displaced, what haas happened in these terrorist attacks in russia. the 2000 moscow siege, killed over 120 people. the bess lan school massacre. over 300 killed, mostly children. the moscow metro bombing, 39 people killed. foreign policy has an interesting anal a sysianalysis. chernen writes the numerous terror strikes have not been included in t

record as a chechen militant leader included in one thousand nine hundred ninety five he and his gang attacked the city of good yarn of took up to one thousand eight hundred residents of that city hostage in a hospital including one hundred fifty children at least one hundred forty people died as a result of that attack also as he gained power in the region stated his objective to have all muslim regions in russia break away from the country it was basically a call to start a war on all fronts among his other heinous acts that was to. school hostage crisis in this line in two thousand and four terror that russia will never forget it left three hundred and thirty four people dead one hundred eighty six of them children so the right hand of this monster who helped stage all this whore. modify arrives in the us somewhere around the year two thousand settles down in boston by the way and receives political asylum despite russia's pleas to treat him as a clerk criminal at the beginning us federal authorities appealed the boston course decision on granting him asylum then they withdrew thei

he put a shame on the entire chechen ethnicity. because everyone now names, they play with word chechen. they put that shame on the entire ethnicity. that's what i would say. turn yourself in. >> joining us now is charles king. he's professor of international affairs in government at georgetown university. he's the author of the ghost of freedom. a history of the caucuses. professor king, it's particularly embarrassing to mispronounce those names in front of you. >> you did a great job. >> thank you. very kind. a lot of people are trying to figure out if they're terrorists, radicalized overseas or if this is totally unrelated to terrorist causes. do you think there will be a definitive answer with regard to their chechen heritage? whether that's relevant and explanatory here? >> i think it's relative to a degree. they grew up in a community, with a history, they had a certain kind of background. at the end of the day, if we're looking for motivation for this particular act i think it's going to lie in the way they were radicalized

chechen independence and the end of russian occupation. if you were to ask me to predict something, i think actually this is not going to end well for dzhokhar. he's social media savvy. he knows what members of his family have said, that he's an embarrassment to him, they've disavowed him. he knows what's going on with the manhunt. i suspect either he's going to end his own life or he will go down in a blaze of glory. i can't see right now him giving himself up of his own volition and then being arrested, going through a trial and everything else. so, my concern right now is, i don't -- i don't foresee the possibility of this having a positive resolution, where we'll actually ever know. >> yeah, i mean, that's -- that's a good point, because the other main issue that you didn't mention is the fact that he's lost his leader, which, of course, is his older brother, who was shot and is dead because of the chase overnight with law enforcement. so, in terms of social media, i'm glad you brought that up, because the individual at large, dzhokhar

deportation of the chechens.ing the war stalin decided they were all traitors and all of them, the entire nation, men, women and children were deported. they were taken out of their homes in chechnya from one day to the next and sent to different parts of asia. that experience of deportation, losing their homeland left many varied and bittered. they were allowed to return home in the ' 50s. >> you reported brilliantly for the times on the chechens. the chechens, once again, as they have several time over the last 200 years, tried to break free and declare their independence. the russian army comes in. what are the estimates, as a best as you can tell, of how many chechens the russian army killed over the last 25 years? >> well, if you include russian soldiers and chechen fighters, then somewhere in the region of 100,000 would be a realistic estimate. >> and when you were watching this, did you find that the struggle, the chechen struggle for independence started out as essentially as a nationalist struggle but as

militants which are now scattered all across the planet i saw with my own eyes the chechen militants in france. the luxuries of luxury resort there were traces of these guys there so you can never rule out these guys in turkey in england in portugal and spain anywhere so we just have to understand some more information on these two suspects whether they had anything with terrorist groups in europe or even possibly in the those small groups remaining in the russia's north caucasus in the republic of dagestan where occasionally we do have some explosions and terrorist attacks as well it just because again it does say that these two boys aged between nineteen and twenty six the wrestler possibly could be brothers is the so much information that's coming out. obviously we're all waiting to hear what the official reports say but all this information that's been reported on site and as we get it via the wires let's see the in studio with me just give us an insight on the north caucuses and if whether these two suspects do come from the north caucasus. right now live to our correspondent in

that's where the uncle of the suspects in the city's marathon bombing says they've shamed the entire chechen ethnicity the city's been at a standstill since early morning as police comb the streets for one of two men suspected of the marathon bombings they've been identified as nineteen year old dzhokhar serve my of who remains at large is brother twenty six year old tamar lance of ny have was killed after a police car chase the family originates from the north caucuses and settled in the united states more than a decade ago this is what's happening now on the streets of boston let's take a look at the latest pictures as thousands of officers painstakingly search the city door by door live pictures there let's go live to to our correspondents report now in washington marina either tell us what more we know about the suspects the ceiling. good evening to you well what we know so far much of the information we have is what both suspects have posted online over the past weeks months possibly even years we do know that. was twenty six years old as you mentioned and he was aspiring to be on the u

government support even to the extent of providing political asylum to one of the top chechen leader there is who was at the time winter indictment for terrorism in russia ok now as soon as the information came out that these men are of the islamic faith many afghans speculating and using the word such as jihad and martyrdom how can we be sure that just because those men are muslim that their religion motivated days attacks or can we be sure at all we we really can the overwhelming majority the vast majority of the chechens are in fact muslim and they have been muslim since the nineteenth century well entrenched in islam since that time and again it's important for people to understand that the original efforts of the chechens was solely for independence from gratia it was really not in this alone make effort or motivation it was simply a nationalistic one on their part that they of course that have had been largely drawn into wahhabi islam again with the influence of outside that now what exactly might have motivated these two brothers and again i am not ready in any way to say that

the chechen fighters are pretty brutal, too. i don't think what happened in boston had anything to do with chechen -- >> how big is the number of chechen radical islamists such as we've seen? how big is that number? >> i don't know what the numbers are, but it's the not chechen so much as dagestan. >> is these were not lone wolves by any means? >> we don't know. i mean, somehow or other they got radicalized. we don't know exactly how it happened. there are all sorts of different versions of it. the one thing that i think is absolutely clear, and this is incomprehensible to those of us who live in new york city, that the police in boston did not inform the new york city police. >> that is known as mobster central. there were mobsters there. we know that. it's an embarrassment to the ussr. we know that sochi is 200 miles away. do you think they will run out of steam when sochi comes along. >> no. but putin is capable of putting up, shall we say, police officers in civilian clothes so that he will cover that area like a blanket. >>

to showcase the chechen nation's image.at first sight it looks like a regular performance but even here the dancers must observe strict islamic and. the men must not under any circumstances touch the women not even their clothes. recently. criticized the dancers for not following tradition the women looked into the eyes of young men as well as highlighting their figures by raising their arms to. dances with the man she must not raise her arms above her shoulders. she does not have this rate. always dominate over the woman this is an important detail. following the wall. found religion he sold his apartment to put the money towards building a house overlooking a mosque on the outskirts of grozny when he comes home from work his wife makes a traditional delicacy. at the family table tradition dominates everything. i didn't eat with my father he had eight children but none of us joined him. this is what tradition states. is a type of dumpling served with meat. is sour allows his sons and younger daughter to join him at the tab

it is not involve most of the chechens. probably less than one percent sympathizes with the movement rate it is a larger movement of jihadist connected to the global jihadist it is a caucasian threat than a chechen threat. it is important to emphasize that an attack on the u.s. from the caucuses is highly unlikely. he chechens are generally not preoccupied with the united states. one has to consider the chechnya is to become more globally involved whether they will consider attacking the homeland. an attack is highly unlikely. the larger confederated network has had nothing to do with the planning, coordinating, or financing the attacks in boston. he is in the size his organization has no conflict with the united states. bce and national groups direct most of their concerns to combating the russian federation. a special buffet 2014 winter olympics approaching, it can be hypothesized there efforts are targeting those sporting events, or planning other attacks in russia. it is unlikely that u.s. military security and forces t

brothers are said to be ethnic chechens lived in kurdistan and dagestan before coming to the u.s. the two suspects were branded as coming from a russian region close to chechnya indeed many may need reminding of the name and location of republic of the stand where the two supposedly came from but the word certainly rings bells probably because of the media headlines in the one thousand nine hundred and at the beginning of the new millennium that's when russia had a military operation in the north caucasus. russian troops deployed in the republic and finally be drawn into rebels fighting for independence off go have been dramatically reduced and of course the churchill fight for independence had no become the ultimate judgment that conflict often went beyond the borders of the chechen republic let's remember apartment buildings bombed in moscow a theater siege in the russian capital and a school takeover in russia's north thousands of civilians were killed but the man who had blood on their hands were often described as freedom fighters and rebels by the western media at times it e

by the age of four they know how a real chechen man and woman should look. at each kindergarten has its own teacher responsible for religious education. often has also visits to reprint as with the children. loaded little over. a little over. a load of clothes. we live according to the law and according to islamic schools the islam spit on the nation of islam is first of course we have muslims on public religious law first and. second if you. buy the lore the russian federation may have proud of his. in the world of fashion the dress code is even more strict at this church in modeling schools where women are taught about the catwalk passout go into modeling is not a highly regarded profession in chechnya as it is in european russia a young woman is not supposed to display her beauty in public especially if she is married. many young women are not allowed to enter the modeling school. more you can see that your legs are tired your backs are tired and you are very hungry but you have to work it is difficult to be a model it is not about putting on a beautiful

al-qaeda has continued to try and keep what hold in the chechen but never. known john from what i've been hearing in the news it doesn't really seem like u.s. intelligence agencies have previously been evaluating the chechen republic as a hotbed for american enemies obviously you're saying that al qaeda has been recruiting there won't live fact that these two men came from the surrounding area change the americans government's attitude toward the region and more specifically its military focus. well how well the u.s. government reacts and how the military react certainly isn't something that. i have any real insight into i would say that since the collapse of the soviet union december one thousand nine hundred one the united states has continued to deal with russian issues based on its old cold war paradigm and to a large degree the us regionally came out in support of the chechen cause for independence it was the enemy of my enemy is my friend paradigm and the russians continue to be perceived as inherently bad inherently evil if you will going back to the

the chechens. you can read all about in the tolstoy. so the drama erupts again in 1991 with the collapse of the soviet union and the chechen separatist movement breaks out and it becomes a matter of violence and the yeltsin government puts down violently the first chechen war. then in '99 there's another chechen war. the chechens are defeated again. and those combatants did one of two things: either they -- in their exhaustion went over to the russian side or they dispersed into dagestan which is right near them and kind of took for the hills, as it were. and the ideology changed. it was no longer a matter of chechen separatism, it was a matter of global jihad. it's a very -- it's a very difficult thing to suss out. so when the dagestanny radicals said they have no interest in u.s. targets, it's hard to figure out what they mean at this point. >> rose: any evidence of any training anywhere? >> well, it was said that the family's father had given them some military training but i don't see any evide

like many other chechens displaced from their homeland. the second world war, tens of thousands of chechens perished in a mass deportation order by josef stalin. in the 1990s, chechens fought and won a bloody war for independence from russia. it was during this violence that the younger tsarnaev brother dzhokhar was born and given the name of a chechen leader. >> it's a sure side of chechen patriotism in the family that in 1939 they called their little son dzhokhar after dzhokhar dudayev who was the pro-independence representative. >> chechen independence wouldn't last. the war would kill thousands and chechen extremists would wage a campaign of terror across russia, killing 186 children at a school in beslan and more than 100 theater-goers in moscow. the tsarnaev family escaped the violence in the region by making their way to the u.s. >> he would tell me that he was from chechen. >> luis vasquez was friends with tamerlan in high school. >> that's where he's from. that's where he told me he had struggled. he didn't really elaborate. >> th

the two brothers are of chechen ethnic origin.y have been here for decades since the dead one was a teenager and the younger one was in elementary school. they say the difference the motive, political motive. we do not know what the political motive might have been if there was one. when that second war kicked off in 1991 it was chechen fighters crossing the border. the younger suspect that was still on the run was in first grade. the family fled and made their way to kyrgyzstan. they applied here as refugees o of war. the suspect's uncle who lives in maryland spoke about the way they came to the united states, where they came from and his rage. his almost unadulteratedd rage for them bringing shame upon the chechen people. >> what do you think provoked this? >> being losers, hatred to those who were able to settle themselves. these the only reasons i can imagine of. anything else to do with religion, with islam that's fraud. it's fake. of course, we're ashamed. yes, we're ashamed. they're children of my brother. i respect this co

chechens are known to do that. neil: if he hadn't executed that or hasn't exploded himself he may not want to. >> may not want to and paramount is the public safety and safety of the we have what we have is hostage barricade situation and he may succumb to wound but they will take their time. right now we have the situation isolated. that is always a good thing. if we take him alive fine, but public safety is paramount. protect the officers. we'll see what happens. neil: whether we take him alive or not, and i understand the need to take him alive to examine whether to investigate if there is wider cell that links the brothers to other nefarious folks either here or abroad but what do you think of that? do you think that the brothers acted alone or that they had help? >> well i think the postmortem will happen pretty quickly. neil: right, right. >> we know there is something on the radar screen that the older brother may have been spoken to by the fbi two years ago. neil: that's right. he was scrubbed. thoroughly i

so you see chechens not just in russia, but you see chechens fighting in afghanistan, in the tribal areas of pakistan and other places around the world. and they've become incorporated into the larger radical islamic movement. >> peter, before we let you go, you know we still don't know the motivations here and i don't want to get ahead of anything. but if this does end up being part of a, you know, if the two brothers do end up being part of a larger network, if there are ties to chechen separatists or some sort of amalgamation of a jihadist, chechen separatist organization, it complicates things for the president, who has at present a difficult relationship with russia on the whole. give us a sense of what the implications here are for the white house. >> right, well president obama is the third president in a row to feel very uncomfortable with the issue of chechnya. while obviously they abhor terrorism. they've never approved of the brutal russia tactics of going after chechnya. which includes carpet bombing in grosny. there's a possibility it also brings them together. a week ago, pr

like many other chechens displaced from their homeland.he second world war tens of thousands of chechens perished in a mass deportation ordered by joseph stalin. in the 1990s chechens fought and won a bloody war for independence from russia. it was during this violence that the younger tsarnaev brother dzhokhar was born and given the name of a chechen leader. >> it's a sure sign of chechen patriotism in the family that in 1993 they called their little son dzhokhar, after dzhokhar dudaev, who was the pro-independence president. >> reporter: but chechen independence wouldn't last. another war with russia would kill thousands. and chechen extremists would wage a campaign of terror across russia, killing 186 children at a school in beslan, and more than 100 theatergoers in moscow. the tsarnaev family escaped the violence of the region by making their way to the u.s. >> he would tell me that he's from chechnya. >> reporter: luis vasquez was friends with tamerlan in high school. >> that's where he's from. that's where he told me he has struggles

lives and works in grozny the capital of the chechen republic. the city had been reduced to ruins by years of war. two military operations to curb separatist militants and repel a clear danger from terrorist groups in the region. completely dead. the most vicious fighting took place here the presidential palace was completely destroyed. corpses are scattered all around the place. here the car started shaking struck the current on the wheels. never thought he'd see chechnya fully restored in his lifetime now there are public posts skyscrapers and five star hotels and it's home to the largest mosque in europe. before there was only fighting today. cranium does there even trying to hand a fashion. hello and welcome to news channel grozny i'm your host milan and i have a. love the response our top stories the chechen republic has celebrated the birth of the prophet muhammad peace be upon him. visit sacred relics belonging to the prophet had been brought to the republic i. was muslim relics have been brought to chechnya from dubai and a met by the rep

top stories the chechen republic has celebrated the birth of the prophet muhammad peace be upon him. visit sacred relics belonging to the prophet had been brought to the republic i. was muslim relics have been brought to chechnya from dubai and a met by the republic's leader himself runs on caviar off. the escorts the holy objects from the airport to the central mosque with thousands of muslim devotees awaiting for them i. learned how twelve year old afraid of to spend the whole year waiting to see the prophet muhammad head along with other sacred remains it was his parents sent him to an islamic school where he studied the koran for all that time who. when he grows up wants to become a huffy is a scholar of the koran they are muslims who've memorized the in tile holy text. stream has come true students from all over chechnya have gathered to see for themselves what it is they've been studying for. load while waiting for a site of the sacred relics elders line up for what's known as was her her home it's a special prayer for muslims in the caucuses it's sung to observe significant oc

searching for these suspects now back to giuliani he said that washington used to consider chechen chechen islamic separatists as an internal russian russian problem and giuliani said that's no longer the case and he went on to say that the u.s. did not take the north caucasus threat seriously enough during the tragedy in the salon but it's important to note right in the in the wake of all of this information that we're getting minute by minute is that these two men that the f.b.i. has been searching for now it's one man they have been in the united states for more than a decade they are as an american as american as american can be and while there were it was not clear in the aftermath of the bombing the boston bombings whether this was a whole homegrown and foreign attack what this shows is that this clearly was something that was homegrown because these two boys if they are found guilty and associated with the crime that took place in boston they have been in the united states for more than a decade essentially they have their roots here they know the culture they know this is science.

well despite being of chechen descent the alleged bombers spent most of their lives in the us off with their parents applied for asylum both were visitors to russia with this didn't stop moscow from raising the alarm of a possible terrorist intentions of the older brother. can report some of the concerns failed to prevent the boston tragedy. as the dust settles in the wake of boston bombings the question many ask is why and how could u.s. federal authorities fail to act on the valuable intelligence from two years ago stating that the middle of was radicalized dangerous and quote prepared to join unspecified underground groups that's the information the f.b.i. says they received from the russian government so two years ago the f.b.i. interviewed the guy and reported back to the russians that they found nothing suspicious since then they've apparently failed to monitor the middleman because if they have they probably discovered his you tube page under his own name by the way full of radical content with a playlist titled terrorists so you have intelligence from a foreign government you h