but then you just had chris murray on and i've been talking with chris and the model at the university of washington said look, keep this lockdown throughout the month of may and then you can get to containment mode, that means less than one new case per million residents per day and your public health system should be able to handle it like new zealand but we didn't go there. we opened it up at the end of april and then after memorial day, the cases started to rise. but we didn't do some other things. we didn't put in place a sufficient level of public health infrastructure and the belts and suspenders that we needed to in terms of contact the level of contact tracing, diagnostic testing. we never put in an app based system for looking at local areas of rise of cases of fever. >> so houston isn't doing the contact tracing that you'd hope they would be? >> it's in place but not at the level and scope that for instance we're seeing in new york and elsewhere. there were some good pieces in place but not at substantial level that we needed and now we're seeing the consequences of that of

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chris murray, i appreciate you being with us. thank you very much. sobering. it's important to hear. >>> up next, breaking news, the president threatening to send troops into a major american city. we'll get reaction on the ground in seattle, swi the city he's talking about. and what the chicago police department plans to do after a group of police officers are caught on camera lounging in a congressman's office. the congressman says there was nearby looting at the same time. the officers were drinking his coffee and chilling out, even eating his popcorn. we'll talk to the mayor of chicago ahead. and more one of a kind finds. it all ships free. and with new deals every day you can explore endless options at every price point. get your outdoor oasis delivered fast so you can get the good times going. ♪ wayfair. you've got just what i need. ♪ >>> even as reporting emerges how close the president came to sending active duty troops into washington, d.c. before being persuaded not to, he's threatening to do the same in seattle, where protesters are occupying part o

chris murray, the director of the university's institute for health metrics and evaluation. dr.ray, your model now predicts nearly 170,000 deaths by ortho 1ctober 1st. how did you get to that number? >> so we're taking into account, anderson, the big surge in mobility we've been seeing unfold since, actually, the end of april. and that's going -- is driving up transmission. we now have survey data that's collected every day, that tells us the number of contacts people are having. and that's going up, and that's going into the model. and those -- that trajectory is being balanced against a good fraction of america, maybe 40%, wearing a mask at all times. you know, improved testing. and then, seasonality working in our favor. but all of that starts to turn in august. so we're going to see this sort of slow, very slow decline. some states going up, like arizona. but, nationally, numbers going down. but the whole thing turns around at the end of august and we go from just under 400 deaths a day, all the way up to about a thousand deaths a day, by the end of september. which bodes re

chris murray. he leads a team of coronavirus model rers at the university of washington. the white house pays close attention to the information coming out of your organization. dr. murray, dr. fauci earlier today says we could see 100,000 cases of coronavirus a day if current trends continue. you're forecasting about 65,000 daily infections by october. does that estimate from dr. fauci make you want to revisit your estimates? might yours go higher now u because of this surge in cases we're seeing? >> well, certainly, the big surge particularly in young people in texas, florida, california, main street are very, very concerns. we think that some of that transmission can be interrupted if everybody started wearing a mask and if every state adopts a universal mask mandate. that's going to help a lot. >> but that's not likely to happen, as you know. and in your most cent model, you slightly lowered the projection of how many americans are likely to die by october. you now project about 175,000 people will die. that's down from your projection of 179,000 deaths in last week's

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chris murray, he's the director of the institute for health metrics and evaluation at the university of washington. dr. murray, thank you, sir. again, as i've been telling everyone, this is quite frightening. it is so alarming to watch these case numbers and the death tolls rise and rise and rise. and to know that it did -- it didn't have to be this way. could so much of this have been prevented and what would it take to turn all of this around? is it too late? >> no, i don't think it's too late at all, don. i think we're starting to look really carefully at one of the simplest but one of the most powerful strategies available to us all and that's getting essentially everybody wearing a mask out in public. we know that masks protect individuals. you know 1/3 to 1/2 reduction in transmission. but at the community level, we think that that could really avoid most of those extra death that we're seeing out to october 1st. >> mm-hmm. >> but if we don't do that, then we got to count on testing, you know, tracing and isolation is the other critical strategy. >> yeah, there's one big proble

>> well, you just -- you just heard chris murray say that if everybody wore a mask the death count intates would be 33,000 cases less in a month. that's almost 1,000 deaths a day. that's more deaths in total than we have right now, so maybe he should listen to marco rubio. i believe i just heard you told him to wear a damn mask. he has to model best behavior, first of all. >> yeah. i think marco rubio was talking to everyone, but the president is included in that. dr. larry brilliant, we always appreciate you joining us. >>> bill gates warned of a pandemic a long time ago, years ago, and now he weighs in on the rising number of cases and what can be done at this point to actually change things. he joins anderson cooper and dr. sanjay gupta tonight for cnn global town hall, coronavirus facts and fears live at 8:00 eastern right here on cnn. >>> so democrats in the house, they are set to pass their policing reform bill later today, but this after democrats in the senate, they blocked a gop version. republican senator mike braun was trying to bring both sides together with something of a

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