church on fortunately isn't it. this is the criticism the let's the going to be known as oh exactly what exactly it had been. and the pope benedict who have both apologized today if i could just finish my point both popes have apologized wholeheartedly and changed the landscape in terms of how we deal with this never to be shoved on never to be shoved under the carpet to be dealt with and the key area in which it was dealt with to it was to for bid people with deep seated homosexuality from entering seminary because we know that was over eighty percent of the cases was actually ephebophilia not actually pedophilia where it was homo sexual abuse and being put into would all be a priest with all males around obviously that's an invitation to that kind of thing and so that had to be dealt with and once reverend diane you want to say something go right ahead go ahead it's going to mind first i think. i first first of all what i'd like to say is that there's a difference between the church and the hierarchy that the chur

that the church when you're talking about the church in this is a language issue that i have a lot of affiliate affinity for because we need to call the hierarchy. the hierarchy when we're talking about the laws and rules that they have made over us that come over us and that. speak for us they don't speak for me so therefore i say these are hierarchical rules that have been posed and that's i don't agree at all that homosexuality is one of the main causes for pedophilia that has been proven scientifically wrong and i do believe the review done that totally that's a point needs to be your system or go ahead jump in here go yes very much sisters are going to if it's going to lead did not i agree with diana totally we can't do it we don't can't blame home but people who are gay or homosexual for all the paedophilia is much wider than that but the problem of the church is it's very much more serious here and it's widespread. and if we can't look a secular society as well because that's a whole different thing so it's a very serious thing and the coverups i hardly know any bishop that has

half the church is there. the church have had a lot of difficulties over the years dictatorial regimes and difficulties with many sects which have come in. a good people, of course, but making often as ha their desire not to bring this things into their community but take the catholics out of their community and i think that the presence of a pope from latin america could really light the fire throughout that great part of the world so as a catholic who's worked in a regular home who've been involved in latin america for a long time i rejoice. that's the first reason. second is he's a brilliant man. he's a ratzinger type person, a great theologian, a great thoughtful man. and secondly -- thirdly i he's a very prayerful man. and that's the power of prayer is so important in our society and we have forgotten that and i think he will remind us of that. so for all those reasons. >> rose: he's a man that the conservatives who voted had to accept. >> yes. yes. because he -- as far as theology goes, he would be very

i don't feel a sense of longing of not being in a church or the church. just don't miss it, because for a variety of reasons, it feels constricting. >> in general, i'm not worried. the people who consider themselves spiritual, but not going to church, why would i worry? they are great people. they are in their community, making a difference. >> let's go. >> i think there is a space of opportunity to do a ministry together. >> reporter: why not be optimistic, the unafilliated may not want to be within church, but they're not entire hostile to religion. in fact, they mostly agree with believers that religious organizations strengthen communities and play an important role in helping the needy -- some common ground, at least, in a changing world. for "religion & ethics newsweekly," i'm deborah potter in greensboro, north carolina. >>> on our calendar this week, on monday, some eastern orthodox christianobserve clean monday the beginning of great lent, the 40-day period of fasting and prayer leading up to their celebration of easter. also, this week, baha'i's

and the church is not the college of cardinals. the church is not the hierarchy. the church is dealing with the poor. the vulnerable, the hurt, the daniel damaged, the victims of sexual abuse. women, gays, black, latino, that's the catholic church. and both men, i think have it within them to redirect the focus of the church back to what the church is all about, in this country and around the world. i have never been anywhere in the world that i have not encountered a jesuit or a mary knoll, doing the work of the church. the scandal and secrecy of the church in the last 15 years in particular has been a sin in and of itself. one of the roles of the next pope, whether it's an american, o'malley or dolan, which it probably won't be. however the next pope is they have to open the windows of the vatican and let some fresh air and sunlight into, into the church. i mean what people are watching now, what we're watching now, most noncatholics, you can probably equate it with a combination of "downton abbey" and nfl draft day on espn. they're going to close the doors and

church congregations are declining. the number of people going to church on sunday is shrinking. in brazil there is a real challenge from evangelical churches. everyone i have been speaking to says that is of great concern. catholics are beginning 0 leave the church. they are finding the evangelical churches responding more immediately to their needs, so a feeling the catholic church has become very removed from the people, so i think that is a situation reflected in argentina, so a sense of people turning away from the church, a huge challenge for the region. i have heard people say the priorities of the pope will depend on where they come from. i think it is fair to say we will be looking at real challenges and a decline in congregations, a decline in the number of people actually going to church here. >> in rome tonight there is surprise. there is excitement. there is a mixture of feelings about what it will mean for the papacy going forward. i wonder if there is a sense of unease that changes coming, that it might not be changed, that some of them actually want. >> you were t

this is the living church. and i would like more from you regarding the fact this is the first papal resignation in 600 years. and smooth transition, chris jansing pointing out, there is not a period of mourning so cardinals were able to focus, if you will, on the next selection and moving forward. but this hasn't happened in 600 years that we have seen the transition in this way. >> you're right. 600 years is a long time to go without a pope stepping down. the interesting thing, we didn't have a period of mourning for a pope who had passed away. but i believe there was definitely a period of shock. precisely because it's been so long since something like this happened and people were really convinced that pope benedict was doing a good job in many ways. and there was a shock and i believe the cardinal shared that shock. there was a week or ten days when you were digesting that and reasons he might have had for stepping down. he said he felt like he no long every had the spiritual or physical strength to respon

the pews and into churches.art of the way he can do that in latin america is because he has worked with the poor and put poor people so much at the forefront of his own ministry. he said just a xulve years ago i live in a continent has seen huge economic growth. the poor have not benefited from the economic growth we have seen and maybe a message amongst latin americans, at least, can help get the catholic churches full again. that is restoring faith, both in his own continent but of course here in north america and europe where it's declining very rapidly is central to this pope's mission. >> jon meacham, there have been challenges and will be challenges to this pope's selection from people inside and outside of the church because he is conservative theologically. "the wall street journal" writes this morning, as for the lament that pope francis is merely another catholic who believes in catholic doingmgma what do you think? that means they need to be less religious to survive in the modern world and strikes as

we're joined by the pastor of our lady of the lake church. what did you make of this church? >> i'm delayed. as a man of true humility. i'm elated he said to the people pray for me. i like that very much. i like the fact he took francis. in the mailed ages, saint francis said to the pope we need to reform the church. if this church is in need of anything, it's serious reform. for him to take that name is a statement that says he knows we need to change. you were speaking about the moral changes. i don't think the teachings will change but the way you package something matters a lot, as you know. and i think this pope will give a very human face, a compassionate face, to teachings that's not always's to take but true teaching. i think he'll stay loyal to the teaching but a more humannen face. >> neil: if you forgive my typical media shallow-type question. even those who loved him and marveled at his career in argentina, if you will, didn't give him high marks on charisma or high marks on stunning sermons, just knock your socks off or homilies that you never forget. in reading

the direction he takes this church will be the church they inherit, old and young.he decision means so much to them, and, of course, then has feather be father beck, larger significance because of the influence on society in general whether or not you're a believer. >> worldwide influence. these are not only catholic people you're looking at. this is every religion, every nationality, religious, laity. this is humanity right in front of us, witnessing what is about to happen on that balcony. it really is a vision of the catholic church. catholic, of course, means universal. and this is a universal view, right now, that we're seeing in st. peter's square. >> st. peter's square is packed to the gills. as i look around us here, down the street from st. peter's, people are running up, still flooding in, still coming all the way down the avenue as you look there, as you look up at the lights on either side of the road of constellation, people that go all the way up there. there is an announcement coming now, i believe. let's listen for a second. >> -- new pope who in a s

the other churches in love.he path of brotherhood of love and of faith and trust. let's always pray for each other. let's pray for the entire world. so that there can be great brotherhood. i wish you all that this path within the church, that we are starting today, and my cardinal who is next to me will help me, we want for this to be fruitful for the evangelization of this beautiful city. and now, i would love to give you a blessing. before, i want to ask you a favor. before the bishop blesses the people, i want for you to pray that the lord can bless me. i want for the people to ask the lord for blessings for the bishop. so let's remain silent for this prayer from you for me. [ applause ] >> holy father francis, to all of the faithful present here and others who receive this blessing via radio or television and the new 21st century technology, in the forms established by the church. let's pray that the almighty can keep the pope for many years at leadership of the church and for him to give peace and unity to

and not only are they the future of the church they're the now of the church. and so now having a leader that is known as being the people's pastor, being a universal pastor, someone that can really even bring people back to the pews is something that if you speak to a lot of the leaders of the hispanic church, say they are just delighted and elated by what that can do to bringing more hispanics back to church. you know, 10% of the catholic leadership back in the united states is hispanic. i mean, that's a very small number of leadership. there is yet -- there's still no hispanic cardinal out of the united states. so to have the pope be an hispanic from argentina someone who is about social justice someone who is about the poor, it has brought everyone together regardless of country. i was in the square when the white smoke came out. and not only did you see argentinean flags you saw brazilian flags and cuban flags and chilean flags. and it wasn't about what country or another. it was an understanding that the church had finally said that we are there. so it's

we have been to churches.have seen folks tell us they were praying for a pope of latin american descent. that's what they got. the pope lived in buenos aires most his life. his folks are of italian descent. some 40 million people live in argentina. 70% of that country is, of course, catholic. the numbers, as we -- >> we just lost our connection with miguel almaguer. let me bring liz back in. our historian. liz, you heard miguel cite the numbers there. but it is also interesting, you have the pope from buones aires. the constant conversation that is happening worldwide about the disparity. and that he has focused so heavily on that. put that in perspective. maybe not in comparison, necessarily, to benedict xlvi but what we've seen in recent history. >> i think -- just the continuation from benedict xvi we already see this new pope francis i making a very solid acknowledgment of his affection towards the pope ameritus. e ke i keep looking at this name. it opens up a world of thoughts. this new pope is a -- model

go and rebuild my church. so they took a jesuit to take his name, francis, to help rebuild and heal the church. because there are some divisions and some hurts. but i think most -- most -- what the cardinals wanted to present us with is this great pastoral man, known with the poor. with the disenfranchised. with those who are living in irregular situations. somebody who has a special ministry to people with hiv and aids. to single mothers, to all of those things. and look what we received tonight. it's a wonderful gift. >> you know, much was made before the conclave began about those who were of the vatican bureaucracy. those who were -- might be called reformers. where does this leave the church now? i mean, the election of this man? i mean, he's not -- he's not of the bureaucracy. he hasn't worked in the vatican bureaucracy. is that important, do you think? >> he's not of it, but he certainly knew it. and he probably heard a lot of things last week at the meetings. and the questions, the great issues. you kn

we have historically different understandings of the nature of the church, the authority of the church. but we have a common basis around the need to proclaim the good news of jesus christ. >> reporter: he says he hopes dialogue between the two will continue to grow. welby will be enthroned as the next archbishop of canterbury on march 21, when he officially takes the helm of one of the largest bodies of christianity. the former oil-executive-turned-clergyman acknowledges it's interesting that the anglican communion and the roman catholic church will both have new leaders within the next few weeks. >> i don't read too much into it. benedict xvi was a very remarkable, has been a remarkable pope. he took over at the age of 78, not the age most of us would want to take on a new task, and he gave himself, spent himself almost. but i do look forward very much to meeting the new pope later in the year, and i'm confident we'll find in each other a common love for christ. >> reporter: archbishop welby says he hopes to attend the inallati ceremony for the new pope in rome depending on when it t

. ♪ >>> this sunday, a new pope, a new day for the catholic church, and new questions about the church'snfluence on american politics. we have perspective this morning on the journey ahead for pope francis. from cardinal francis george, the archbishop of chicago. what message do the cardinals need send for the first-ever pope from latin america? a special discussion, as well weather our roundtable on how well francis reforms the church. plus, the debt duel in washington. is there any room for compromise and is the president right when he argues a balanced budget isn't a priority at the moment? the debate this morning. with us, republican whip of the house, california congressman kevin mccarthy, and the top democrat on the house budget committee, chris van hollen of maryland. then the future of the gop and a senator's change of heart on gay marriage. is it the beginning of a changing tide in the party? wisconsin's republican governor scott walker weighs in. >>> from nbc news in washington, the world's longest running television program. this is "meet the press" with david gregory. >>> and

we're part of the church. and if the bishops aren't doing the right thing, we'll be able to stand up and say that. that's been, i think in a way, a great liberation for what it means to be catholic. and i think that this pope, by actually saying to the other bishops, you know, i'm the bishop of rome, i'm not the head -- i'm not the pope of the whole church, is saying that we are going to have to take much more control of our lives. now, what role they play on these issues is the question. is the church has always had a range of issues, and what have they focused on? unfortunately in the last 20 years i would say they have focused mostly on sex. i hope with this pope, they'll focus more on something that brings us together rather than eventually saying you're bad on sex. >> as catholics, we know a pope is human, and we don't have to agree with him on everything, but we have to know he's coming from a right place. >> beyond this conversation going on among catholics, as you look at this catholic moment in americ

household church was the original church, and the hostess there was the presider. she was not a priest because there were no priests, but as time went on, the general prejudices of the society insected the church, and they are hanging on to them longer than others because the church now pretends to be changeless. once a bad idea gets in, even if it's from a fairly acceptable thing at the time, it's very hard to extrude it, you know, because of the church. they claim they never change. people said, well, should we have women priests? i hope not. i don't want priests. i want women leaders. we are getting them. in my church that i've been going to for 33 years, it's a campus church at northwestern university, and as all campus churches or parrishs in general, priests have come and gone. we had no say in that. the priest comes when the bishop tells them to and goes when the bishop tells them to. one priest we wantedded to hold on to, and we asked to let him say, and he said, no, i have other uses for him. that's one of the bad things about this hierarchy totalitarianis

wauck, as you see these delegations from the various christian churches especially the orthodox churches, how does it strike you? >> well, i think the different orthodox churches have different relationships with rome. some of them are actually quite close and sort of actively seeking union with rome. it's the greeks that have traditionally -- the greeks and russians who have been furthest from rome so the fact that bartholomew is here today really is a historic event. there was a brief moment of reunion actually in the 1400s. i mean it's not entirely true that there was a thousand years since the greeks and the orthodox -- eastern orthodox and roman church were in union but it was very short-lived because of the fall of constantinople to the turks shortly afterwards, in fact, reflected on the doors inside st. peter's basilica, the scene of the council of florence where that union was hammered out. unfortunately, it didn't last long, so maybe we're seeing the beginning of a new effort to bring the two churches back together. >> but it's -- you know, when a catholic is getting married in

the greek catholic church in ukraine, the catholic church in egypt. they follow the eastern orthodox liturgy and they are in full communion with rome. the pope wanted them to be with him to symbolize the full universe salt of the church. the riot to usously diverse. >> the procession. >> that's what i want to know. if you can walk us through and tell us what's happening. >> what's happening, this is the procession leading up from the tomb through the heart of st. peter's basilica. they are going out into st. peter's square to the altar area that has been set up where pope francis will lead this liturgy. before the mass begins the two key sort of ceremonial moments will be he will receive the pallium, the woolen band of cloth that symbolizes his role as the shepherd of the universal church and the fissuremhfisherm. after that's been bestowed on him, then the normal mass for the feast of saint joseph will begin. today, march 19th is the feast of saint joseph, the husband of mary, the patron of the worldwide catholic church. perfect bit of symbolism. the

church. the name symbolizes poverty, humility and simplicity. and in that spirit of humility and simplicity, the world heard pope francis speak. >> translator: i would like to offer you my blessing. but i'd like to ask a favor first. first before the bishop bless the people i would like to pray for the lord so that the prayer of the people blesses also the new pontiff. >> and another first today, a twitter announcement of the new pontiff from the handl handle @pontiffx. in latin, we have pope francis. >> translator: as you know, the duty of the conclave was to uphold a bishop in rome and it seems to me that my brothers, cardinals have chosen one from far away, but here i am. >> reporter: i want to get to anderson cooper in rome. when the shouts and cheers went up, he was in the crowd. it must have been an incredible moment to feel that spontaneous elation and joy. tell us about the reaction. >> it really was. from the moment we saw the white smoke, i literally ran over to st. peter's a couple

priestley celibacy is not a doctrine of the church, it's a discipline of the church. i do expect him to change it, no. could he change it, yes. possible, yes, probable, no. but there is that distinction. our nation of women, that's a doctrinal thing, that's to the discipline. >> rose: how do you respond to the fact that this really is the century of women, and this is a church that needs to have women as part of its -- >> sure, well i tell you this. when we walked into the sistine chapel, you all probably carried it live. we were saying the litany. saints. now the highest you can be called to in the catholic church is to be a saint. and of the saints that we prayed, more than half were women. so so the woman who is the greatest human being model, the person who is the greatest human being model for us happened to be a model. that's where the church is at her best. that's where -- that's where the church has always been known for lifting women up, in nobling them. >> rose: let me close with this last question. i think you said that he said to the fellow cardinals as he

silence of the church is notorious. whether we look at pope um church xxii.-- jchlt spe -- [ speaking foreign language ] >> one of the thing that happened in argentina is that the government went after leftist dissidents by murdering them, torturing them and in a perverse twist when the death of those dissidents left orphan children they would take those children and give them to friend. regime. people were raised by people they thought were their mother and father who were cronies of the regime who murdered their mother and father. >> it was brought out and made an issue of it. >> when we come back i'll show you a snippet of it and then read the apology that cardinal jorge mario bergoglio offered. try running four. fortunately we've got ink. it gives us 5x the rewards on our internet, phone charges and cable, plus at office supply stores. rewards we put right back into our business. this is the only thing we've ever wanted to do and ink helps us do it. make your mark with ink from chase. a hairline fracture to the mandible and contusions to the metacarpus. w

>> the catholic church is not that large. the fact it is from the southern hemisphere might reenergize. >> dr. becker, thank you for providing your insights. >> it is a joy. >> coming up, chrisistians cry t for help i in the m middle off . prayer. >> an egyptian christian held in a libyan jail has died. voice of the martyrs reports he was detained simply for spreading the gospel. akeem suffered from asthma and other ailments. he had been sent to the hospital with chest pains and breathing problems. experienced shortness of breath, died. more bad news for christians in libya. witnesses say unidentified attackers set a benghazi church on fire. security official says forces stopped the attackers before gospel. al-qaeda is on the rise in north africa. in the bull's eye is country of mali. gary lane traveled to the town of diaboli. >> reporter: for more than a fight in mali. 75-year-old villager describes how rebel gun fire frightened him. he has never sxeerns ee ee eed experienced such terror. >> they started selling drugs. >> an

he wasn't the only one inside the church that was beating people up. he was the head of the church. and it's quite remarkable to think that, you know, that kind of behavior can go on. more over, people that were some of the people who are beaten and others were confined. there are reeducation camps called rehactation project force in different locations. ease specially in the -- especially in the desert compound in southern california, the clearing gi of scientology has the headquarter. a 500 acre compound. on the compound there are two double wide trailers that are married together. at one point he decided that he was going to start sending some of his top level executives there for kind of reeducation. and they were the furniture was taken out. they slept on the floor on sleeping bags. they allowed out once day for a shower in the garage. they were supposed to query each other about their crimes. what has gone wrong? i'll tell you what went wrong inside of that? there was a lot of physical confrontation. a lot of abuse. more than 100 people at one point really the entire top tier

joseph of the virgin mary and universal church.ce and it is also the name day of my vinner venerable pred saysoe. we are close to him with prayers with affection and gratitude. i offer a warm greet to go my cardinals the bishops, priests religious men and women and all of the many faithful. i thank the representatives of the other churches and communities of their presence as well as the representatives of the jewish communities and other religious communities. my cordial greetings to the heads of state of governors to the official delegation many countries throughout the world. we heard in the gospel that joseph said as the angel of the lord commanded him and took mary as his wife, these words already point to the mission which god entrusts to joseph. he has to be the protector. the protector of mary and jesus. this protection is extended to the church as blessed john paul ii pointed out. just as st. joseph will take care of mary and dedicated himself to jesus christ's suffering. likewise he watches over his body of the church of

that's the job of the church. the church's job is to lead people to heaven. and so that's the meter that he's going to be judged on and all these issues have to be judged on. that we have to look as to what is in the best interests of telling the people the truth as to how they should act in concert with god's will. and that's what i'll look at when he makes the moral case for that to be a change in policy. >> rick santorum, as always, great to have you on the show. >> thank you very much. appreciate it, piers. >>> it's been in the story today, monsignor -- professor of the king university history department. let me start, there are lots of catholics around the world, a survey recently cited a few times in the last week in germany, over 70% of german-catholics -- a lot of catholics in germany, believe it's time to have female priests, believe it's time that divorced catholics can remarry in church. and believe in other progressive moves that maybe pope francis could consider. what is your view about changing times, changing moods amongst -- certainly young ca

to what extent did the peter church die out and get replaced by the pauline church and to what extent did that might that have fed these persecution stories or maybe even be necessary for the persecution stars right what's interesting about the persecution stories about paul is that some of them are very late so this is acts of the apostles which tells us about paul's damascus right experience and him persecuting the church that was written at. thirty five years after there's offense and perhaps as late as one hundred he is so they've been embellished pull himself talks about how he prosecuted the church but it's kind of a rhetorical trick for pool he says look i was a prosecutor and now i'm. sick you did it so if you know it doesn't work for him it's not so if you know without agenda you might say. the polls show us when it pulls version of christianity one out because he became the apostle to all of the nations and pull seeing himself as suffering like christ and encouraging other people to want to suffer like christ that certainly plays a huge role in people starting to think of th

or reinforce the church. that's got to be essential really at least in the minds of the cart numbers. >> rose: stay with me, i wanted to bring in monsignor. >> i wanted to say something. he was latin american and the church in latin america is very important to the church and the holy sea. >> rose: because that's where the growing numbers are. >> it's not just a question of numbers, it's a question where the battle has been going on for the past 10-15 years to decide whether the faith or being a catholic can change a society and justice to it. the liberation of theology. cardinal -- had to deal with that because mainly john paul the second put it on his lap. >> rose: right. >> he's always been hurt to the church giving priority to the poor. >> rose: who is that. >> ratsinger. >> rose: pope benedict. >> exactly. this guy is from latin america. the church in america has made a commitment that has extended to the whole world which we start particularly start latin america which called the preferencionual option

, a badly divided church.ncludes 1.2 billion members is going to have a lot of currents. in his own life, pope francis profiled to someone who had a record of straddling those divides within his own religious congregation, in his own sprawling archdiocese in buenos aires. he is a man having a history of being able to bring together a variety of different instincts and outlooks on things. now, of course, he's going to have to try to be that reconciler, and that bridge builder. the term pontiff literally means bridge builder. he now has the challenge and opportunity to do that on a much vaster, global scale. >> john allen, our senior vatican analyst. anderson, of course, will have much, more at 8:00 eastern on a krrc 360. >> lisa sylvester is looking into this. who is pope francis? >> the first question that people had is, what exactly do we call him? is he pope francis i, or do we just call him pope francis? to clear that up, the guidance we're getting from the vatican is just pope francis. there is a lot of me

church had challenge in china.rship freely and up against a government that is not allowing that. do you think this new man, the new pope, pope francis will address it effect lively? >> from what i read, it appea appears that that the is the conversation he'd approach with shoulders down, humility and firm compass. freedom to worship the god of your choice is a basic human right. that is how he described it. i'm confident that is the message he will deliver. how effective he will be in a country like china remains to be seen. but if that is the message, it seems like the kind of message with which, i don't know, we can identify. >> kimberly: thank you. shepard smith live from vatican city, 10:19:00 p.m. in the evening. we'll check back with shep later in the program. much more to come on this historic day, as the world welcomes in a new pope, pope francis. "the five" returns in just a moment. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> eric: welcome back to "the five." we'll get back to the myth news today that pope francis has been declared father

there's the church in africa. the church in the west. it is varied. it is extraordinary. it is bubbling. it is ever evolving. so that's one thing. -- the american catholic polling that you mentioned, it is totally true that there's this great bubbling of liberal positions on what we call the social issues. at the same time, a poll came out this week that said 77% of american catholics think pope benedict did a great job. and he was a great pope. now, he is at the opposite from what they say they're for. so there's a great deal of-- let me just say bubbling because i can't think of another word. there's extraordinary variety and the ability to accept tension and disagreement within the church. what would i love to see? i would love to see a pope who comes forward who is joyous anyway, in spite of condition of the world and in spite of the condition of the church, someone who doesn't have a sad furrowed brow look but it sully reacting to the world with a-- is actually reacting to the world with pleasure and a smile. i think he has two impossible but necessary tasks that mus

they are all men of the church.d i think in many ways, the institutional church has invited people, throughout the years. and this is founded in christ and in others, that it was well documented with the founder that the church knew of these things and didn't want to talk about it and didn't want to say it because they wanted to protect the image of the church. the church needs to own up to what is going on. priests, in many parts of the world are frustrated. they don't see vatican two as something that is a priority anymore. it's something of the past. they would like to see more women in positions of leadership and see a church that speaks to the 21st century in a new way. that had not been happening. to deny that is to deny reality. the church is not opening up to the contemporary world. >> certainly transparency is something a lot of people talk about that they would like to see more from this vatican. >> granted. i think that certainly is true. every institution has dealt with this issue. the statistics are 4%