why do you think -- you were standing here when i interview ben ging crump an hour or so ago, why do you think race has been -- besides the obvious, that came up in the beginning. what do you think race has been such a factor in this case? >> it's been such a factor because we know that tracy martin, trayvon's dad, called benjamin crump the day after the killing. he was already suspicious, he was already concerned. was his son getting the treatment that a white person would get. whether that's true or not, it was in his heart. it is something that black men feel. >> is that legitimate for him to feel that? >> it's legitimate to the degree that you don't get charged with driving while white and you can get charged driving while black in america. race still exists. it's a subconscious subtext of things that go on. you know, whether this is about race is another matter, but it was in at least his heart, what was going on here. >> yeah. you mentioned to me, you said that he feels no different than many men in america, tracy martin does. >> you know, look, identify just don't think you ca

ben crump or someone like him.in the case, maybe for some good reasons to begin with. if he believed there was something being swept under the rug, get into it. i'm very okay with that. >> reporter: but you didn't say it that way. you made it sound like if not for ben crump, george zimmerman would be free at this time. >> that's correct. i think it was a made-up story for purposes that had nothing to do with george zimmerman. and that they victimized him, they complain about trayvon martin being victimized. george zimmerman was victimized by a publicity campaign to smear him, call him a racist when he wasn't and call him a murderer when he wasn't. >> reporter: so angela cory and the governor and all of those that had a hand in bringing about this prosecution, they were all manipulated by ben crump? >> i don't know that it was ben crump doing all that manipulations. i'm very surprised that the prosecution team decided not to take this case to a grand jury when one was sitting and ready to take on the case, and deter

. >> you mentioned ben crump. do you think george zimmerman would have even been charged had ben crump not been involved? >> no. if ben crump had not gotten involved in the case, if he believed there was something that was being swept under the rug, then get into it. i'm very okay with that. >> but you didn't say it that way. you made it sound like if not for ben crump, george zimmerman would be free at this time and we would not be in a trial. >> that's correct. i think it was a made-up story that had nothing to do with george zimmerman. they complained about trayvon martin being victimized, george zimmerman was victimized by a campaign to smear him, to call him a racist when he wasn't, and a murderer when he wasn't. >> so all those people who had a hand in bringing about this prosecution, they were all manipulated by ben crump? >> i don't know if it was ben crump doing all that manipulation, but i'm very surprised the prosecution team decided not to take this case to a grand jury when one was sitting and impanel

crump made. around the time trayvon's incident happened, shortly before that there was an exact opposi case a black male who shot three white males and his friend and killed him. police did not arrest him because he claimed stand your ground. he was attacked and defended himself. the next few months they investigated and realized his defense didn't hold water and turned around and arrested him. the reason the police have to follow that tact is because they can only arrest you if they have probable cause and if they show up and there are no witnesses and you claim self-defense and have nothing to defeat it, if they arrest you, they are facing potential civil liability. >> judge hatchet, the idea that people in america, the great super power of the world can wonder around, gunning people down and not face arrest because they were acting in self-defense or standing their ground is louis chris. >> one of the things that come from this very tragic situation and regardless of what happens, i think we a

ben crump or someone like him.en crump not got involved in the case, maybe for some good reasons to begin with. if he believed there was something being swept under the rug, then get on into it. i'm very okay with that. >> reporter: but you didn't say it that way. you made it sound like if not for ben crump, george zimmerman would be free at this time. and we would not be in a trial. >> that's correct. i think it was a made-up story for purposes that had nothing to do with george zimmerman. and that they victimized him, they complain about trayvon martin being victimized. george zimmerman was victimized by a publicity campaign to smear him, call him a racist when he wasn't and call him a murderer when he wasn't. >> reporter: so angela cory and the governor and all of those that had a hand in bringing about this prosecution, they were all manipulated by ben crump? >> i don't know that it was ben crump doing all that manipulations. i'm very surprised that the prosecution team decided not to take this case to a grand

crump made. around the time trayvon's incident happened, shortly before that there was an exact opposite case a black male who shot three white males and his friend and killed him. police did not arrest him because he claimed stand your ground. he was attacked and defended himself. the next few months they investigated and realized his defense didn't hold water and turned around and arrested him. the reason the police have to follow that tact is because they can only arrest you if they have probable cause and if they show up and there are no witnesses and you claim self-defense and have nothing to defeat it, if they arrest you, they are facing potential civil ligability. >> judge hatchet, the idea that people in america, the great super power of the world can wonder around, gunning people down and not face arrest because they were acting in self-defense or standing their ground is louis chris. >> one of the things that come from this very tragic situation and regardless of what happens, i think w

don, benjamin crump, take it away. >> i think it's appropriate we have ben crump on, we just had mark o'mara and for an hour he spoke about this case, and benjamin crump, of course, is the martin family attorney. before we get into that, how is the family doing right now? >> nair verythey're very emotio. it's been a long eve to justice, and now that they're about to get a verdict in the matter, their rh their emotions are overwhelming. >> especially sabrina fulton. sometimes she had to walk out of the courtroom when they showed pictures of her son and also in closing. why was that? >> we were sitting in court and they start a show of photographs of her baby boy. to us this is a case, but that's still her child, her youngest son, and there is a bond between a mother and son that everybody articulates as something so close. and so she was overcome with emotion, and we went to the attorney commons room, and her and i talked, and she let out all her emotions and grief, and then she read the bible and she looked at me, don, and she said, attorney crump, we're going to be okay. and i though

ben crump or someone like him because ben crump not got involved in the case maybe for good reasons toin with. if he believed there was something being swept under the rug, get on to it. i'm okay with that -- >> but you didn't quite see it that way. you made it sound like it was ben crump, george zimmerman would be free and we wouldn't be in a trial. >> i think it was a madeup story for purposes that had nothing to do with george zimmerman and they victimized him and complain about trayvon martin being victimized and george zimmerman was victimized to call him a racist and a murderer when he wasn't. >> so angela corey and the governor and all of those that had a hand in bringing about this prosecution, they were all manipulated by ben crump? >> i don't know that it was ben crump doing all that manipulation, but i'm surprised that the prosecution team decided not to take this case to a grand jury when one was sitting and panelled and ready to take on the case, the state of florida versus george zimmerman and determine whether or not there was enough evidence and information to charge hi

crump, that was mr.'mara in his closing argument making the point that it was reasonable to expect mr. zimmerman to react, because mr. zimmerman felt that all the crimes in that estate had been perpetrated by black males. that was, i put it to you once again, and this was something that the judge refused to al lou. she said racial profiling could not come into those proceedings. and yet, was that not mark o'mara conceding that his client, george zimmerman, had in fact racially profiled a young man who'd just been to buy something to eat and some drink from a 7-11? >> yes. as you correctly stated, the court did say she was going to prevent racial profiling from coming into court. and i want to say, we don't know if george zimmerman was racist or mott. i didn't know the man before this. and i know the state of florida didn't bring up race throughout their trial until the closing, after the defense had brought it up. and most importantly, they made the decision not to charge him with racial profiling. they

that's ben crump and other people. don't discredit what he did as long as he acknowledges that's exactly what happened. >> do you think that george zimmerman would have even been charged had ben crump not been pulled into this? >> no. ben crump or someone like him, because had ben crump not gotten involved in the case, maybe for some good reasons to believed in. if he believed there was something swept under the rug, get into it. i'm very okay with that. >> you didn't say it that way. you thought if it weren't for ben crump george zimmerman would be free and we would not be in that trial. >> that's correct. i think it was a made-up story for purposes that had nothing to do with george zimmerman. they victimized him -- they complain about trayvon martin being victimized. george zimmerman was victimized by a publicity campaign to smear him, to call him a racist when he wasn't and call him a murderer when he wasn't. >> there's a lot there. i just -- i'm curious what your response to that is. >> well, very simply, it's alm

we'll also hear from trayvon martin's family lawyer ben crump.ut first, we want to hear your thoughts on the trial. please head over to facebook and search "politicsnation" and like us to join the conversation that keeps going long after the show ends. hey linda! what are you guys doing? having some fiber! with new phillips' fiber good gummies. they're fruity delicious! just two gummies have 4 grams of fiber! to help support regularity! i want some... [ woman ] hop on over! [ marge ] fiber the fun way, from phillips'. >>> the defense in the george zimmerman trial rested today. setting the stage for closing arguments which start tomorrow. ultimately george zimmerman's fate lies in the hands of the jury. six women, five of them are white, and five of them mothers. joining us from sanford is craig melvin. what can you tell us about the jurors? >> rev, always good to see you. i can tell you the jury for the most part has been pretty engaged throughout the course of the trial. today, in fact, they were especially engaged. i just heard your panel talki

. >> you didn't listen to ben crump on the 27th or 28th? he wasn't your attorney on that day? >>, he wasn't. >> later did you instruct him to say police lied when they said you had said no about hearing your son's voice? did you instruct your lawyer to say that? >> i never instructed anyone to say anything. >> you never instructed ben crump to say the police had lied about that? >> i never instructed anyone to say anything. >> did you instruct your lawyer to say that the audio has since been cleared up and now you can hear it better? >> no, i didn't. >> it's obviously difficult as i said before, but where does this take us. accusing a man who within 48 hours of his son being killed is clearly in a lot of distress, clearly grieving intensely and according to him simply said, i don't know. is it really effective for you and the defense to go after a man in that position? >> i think you have to be very careful and very sensitive to the loss that a grieving valley is going through. having said that, not only do we have the two officers who were there, there was two other officers

joining me now is the sabrina fulton, tracy martin and attorney benjamin crump. >> how are you olding up? >> it's very difficult. >> tracy, for you? >> it's tough. we're trying to stay strong. we understand we have to stay strong for each other, our families and we continue to take it one day at a time. >> you were there in the trial every day, and at times you had to leave because some of the testimony was too hard to hear. but were there days where you just thought, i can't go there today? or i can't do this? >> no, i never thought that. every morning i got up with trayvon in mind, and i said i have to do this. i have to go. i have to just withstand just the trial process. so i made myself go. it was no doubt in my mind that i needed to be there. there were times not necessarily the testimony but a lot more the pictures for me, the 911 call where it just seemed so final. the pictures that the medical examiners, the pictures of the site, those things were more hurtful to me. and sometimes i could sit through it and at times i just needed to just go by myself and just say a prayer and

you made it sound like if it wasn't for ben crump, george zimmerman would be free at this time and weould not be in this trial. >> that's correct. i think it was a made-up story for purposes that had nothing to do with george zimmerman and that they victimized him and complain about trayvon martin being victimized. george zimmerman was victimized by a publicity campaign to smear him when he wasn't and a murderer when he wasn't. >> and so angela curry and the governor and all those who had a hand in bringing about this prosecution, they were all manipulated by ben crump? >> i don't know that it was ben crump doing all that manipulation but i'm very surprised that the prosecution team decided not to take this case to a grand jury when one was sitting and panelled ready to take on the case, state of florida versus george zimmerman and determine whether there was enough evidence or information to charge him with any crime. rather than do that, which was the default position that could have happened, they decided have a press conference, pray with the victim's family and announce second-de

he blames that on ben crump, an attorney for trayvon martin's parents. we'll hear from mark o'hara about what he has to say and reaction from daryl parks, ben crump's law partner, who is also an attorney for the martin family. >>> now that the zimmerman trial that's guaranteed. so join the six million people who have already called about this insurance. whether you're getting new insurance or supplementing what you already have, call now and ask one of their representatives about a plan that meets your needs. so, what are you waiting for? go call now! we'll finish up here. >>> now that the zimmerman trial is winding down, defense attorney mark o'mara sat down for a wide-ranging interview with martin savidge who joins us now. you asked him whether he has any regrets about cross-examining trayvon martin's parents. i want to play that. >> reporter: you took what some might consider risks during the trial, one of them being that you cross-examined a grieving mother. >> yes. >> reporter: any regrets on that? >> i don't know that it was ben crump doing all tha

i will echo your sentiments about ben crump. he is an advocate for the family. he was retired to be an advocate for the family. it could be said that he formed he created the momentum to bring this case. he created the political momentum. he cree heiated the media momentum and that is what he was retained to do for a mother and father that lost their 17-year-old. but if the feds get involved here, geraldo, i will shave your mustache because that is just not happening. >> geraldo: okay. i like that. i like that, it is a bold preediction there. i appreciate that. judge ferierie what to you think? >> i agree. rodney king was is acting under cover of law and that is why the feds were able to go after them. by the way, let's not forget that he is the one who is going to o be bringing actions now. he has a good action against a major network that altered the phone call to make it sound like he was saying that the suspicious thing about trayvon martin was that he was black. they edited out completely the fact that he said the suspicious thing was he was walking. the di

joining me now is sybrina fulton, tracy martin and benjamin crump. thank you for being with us. first of all, how are you holding up? >> it's difficult but i'm taking one day at a time. it's difficult. >> tracy, for you? >> it's tough. we just trying to stay strong. we understand that we have to stay strong for each other, our families and we'll continue to take it one day at a time. >> you were there in the trial every day, and at times you had to leave because of some of the testimony was too hard to hear, but were there days where you just thought i can't -- i can't go there today? or i can't do this? >> no, i've never thought that. every morning i got up with trayvon in mind and i said, i have to do this. i have to go. i have to just with stand just -- just the trial process, so i made myself go. it was no doubt in my mind that i needed to be there. there were times not necessarily the testimony but a lot more the pictures for me, the 911 call where it just seemed so final. the pictures that the medical examiners, the pictures at the site, those things were more hurtful to m

attorney crump, the stand your ground laws, whether or not they violate civil rights. state law does not supersede federal law. and one of the things that we are looking at here in terms of the justice department is the broader question of the state law itself. ironically, there was a law against racial profiling in the state of illinois done by a man named barack obama when he was a state senator. so when we look at the state laws, and we look at how they're applied, the federal government can look at the laws, but we also need to deal with the state law in florida and other states that have set up situations that come back to haunt us. it's unimaginable that you have one set of laws in florida, another in new york, another in pennsylvania. i think we've got to discuss all of that as we deal with the outcome of this case. >> from my point. >> absolutely. >> what you have to look at is how is this law being applied. is it being applied, the stand your ground laws? is it the prosecutor for a case involving a white defendant or not versus that of black defendants. you wa

the urban natural, said it was pivotal what ben crump said. under florida law anyone can walk through a neighborhood and get chased down. tom, an interesting point, isn't it, taking this case to a natural extension, that can happen to anybody and this could all happen again tomorrow. >> well, piers, the question is where does self-defense begin? if zimmerman chose to follow him and confront him after the police told him not to, if zimmerman chose to come after him with a deadly weapon after the homeowners association specifically forbade that kind of behavior, when does self-defense begin? i think the key to this case as far as the jury is concerned is what value they place on how things started. if they blame zimmerman for causing this series of events, he will be convicted of something. the whole defense is that self-defense began when trayvon responded to zimmerman. they say self-defense began when trayvon ended up on top of zimmerman. and i suggested that's not when self-defense began. self-defense began when he chose to confront trayvon,

i will echo your sentiments about ben crump. he is an advocate for the family.e was retired to be an advocate for the family. it could be said that he formed he created the momentum to bring this case. he created the political momentum. he cree heiated the media momentum and that is what he was retained to do for a mother and father that lost their 17-year-old. but if the feds get involved here, geraldo, i will shave your mustache because that is just not happening. >> geraldo: okay. i like that. i like that, it is a bold preediction there. i appreciate that. judge ferierie what to you think? >> i agree. rodney king was is acting under cover of law and that is why the feds were able to go after them. by the way, let's not forget that he is the one who is going to o be bringing actions now. he has a good action against a major network that altered the phone call to make it sound like he was saying that the suspicious thing about trayvon martin was that he was black. they edited out completely the fact that he said the suspicious thing was he was walking. the disp

benjamin crump, attorney for the trayvon martin family. let's watch. >> good evening, my name is darrol parks, we represent the trayvon martin family. we are very, very, very saddened, but we have accepted the jury's verdict in the case. first and foremost, on behalf of tracy martin and sa brie that fulton, who are just heart broken really right now. and, we ask that you keep them in your prayers. at this time, attorney crump will make a statement and then we will take a few questions. >> i'm here for my colleagues. the parents would like to thank all of the supporters throughout the nation and the world to everybody that attended a rally to the millions people that signed petitions. to the prosecution, miss ange-- everyone from the prosecutor's office, to everyone that put their hoodies up and to everyone who said i am trayvon, his family expressed their heartfelt gratitude for helping them these past 17 months. to trayvon's parents your work in the name of your son, has made sanford and other cities a little safer for all of our children

benjamin crump, attorney for the trayvon martin family. let's watch. >> good evening, my name is darrol parks, we represent the trayvon martin family. we are very, very, very saddened, but we have accepted the jury's verdict in the case. first and foremost, on behalf of tracy martin and sa brie that fulton, who are just heart broken really right now. and, we ask that you keep them in your prayers. at this time, attorney crump will make a statement and then we will take a few questions. >> i'm here for my colleagues. the parents would like to thank all of the supporters throughout the nation and the world to everybody that attended a rally to the millions people that signed petitions. to the prosecution, miss ange-- everyone from the prosecutor's office, to everyone that put their hoodies up and to everyone who said i am trayvon, his family expressed their heartfelt gratitude for helping them these past 17 months. to trayvon's parents your work in the name of your son, has made sanford and other cities a little safer for all of our children

crump, thanks for being here. >> good morning. thank you for having me. >> you had suggested trayvon martin's family that they not be in the courtroom for the reading of the verdict. can you tell us where they were, how they learned of the verdict, and what their reaction was? >> yes, we notified them. they were headed home. they agreed it was important for them to be in church this morning. quite simply they are heartbroken, trying to make sense of it all, as many around the country are this morning. they're talking to young people and their families trying to explain to them about the justice system. they had a lot of questions of us about the justice system and the jury and now they are putting their faith on a higher authority. >> let's talk about the justice system. you and i spoke in the days after trayvon martin's death and at the time you were saying we want an arrest. we want this to go before a jury. we want justice. well, all that happened. it went before a jury and they made their choice after 16 hours based on the evi

. >> sybrina fulton and tracy martin and their attorney benjamin crump. first, thank you all for being here tonight. >> thank you, reverend sharpton. >> it's been five days since the verdict. first of all, how are you all doing? >> one day at a time, one day at a time. >> what have you been doing the last five days recovering from this, reacting to this, getting yourself stronger. what has the last five days been like? >> most of the time, i slept or i tried to sleep. a lot of praying. you know, i just didn't want to get in touch with family. they were texting me, they were calling me, but i just wanted my own time, my own time with god, my own time with myself just to get myself together and get my mind together and get my thoughts together. >> what about you, tracy? >> basically, the last five days, just trying to get my composure. try to get myself together. i have to be strong. not only for my family but there are countless young men and women out there counting on us to be strong. >> last saturday when the verdict came in, i was in mid-town manhattan

benjamin crump, attorney for the trayvon martin family. let's watch. >> good evening, my name is darrol parks, we represent the trayvon martin family. we are very, very, very saddened, but we have accepted the jury's verdict in the case. first and foremost, on behalf of tracy martin and sa brie that fulton, who are just heart broken really right now. and, we ask that you keep them in your prayers. at this time, attorney crump will make a statement and then we will take a few questions. >> i'm here for my colleagues. the parents would like to thank all of the supporters throughout the nation and the world to everybody that attended a rally to the millions people that signed petitions. to the prosecution, miss ange-- everyone from the prosecutor's office, to everyone that put their hoodies up and to everyone who said i am trayvon, his family expressed their heartfelt gratitude for helping them these past 17 months. to trayvon's parents your work in the name of your son, has made sanford and other cities a little safer for all of our children

. ♪ >> sybrina fulton, tracy martin, and their attorney benjamin crump, first, thank you all for beingere tonight. >> thank you, reverend. >> it has been five days since the verdict. first of all, how are you all doing? >> one day at a time, one day at a time. >> you -- what have you been doing the last five days recovering from this, reacting to this, getting yourself stronger? what is the last five days been like? >> most of the time i slept or i tried to sleep. a lot of praying. you know, i just didn't want to get in touch with family. they were texting me. they were calling me. but i just wanted my own time, my own time with god, my own time with myself, just to get myself together, get my mind together, get my thoughts together. >> what about you, tracy? >> basically, the last five days just been trying to get my composure, trying to get myself together, because i know i have to be strong, not only for my family, but there are countless families out there, young men and young women that are counting on us to be strong. >> you know, last saturday when the verdict came in i was in m

crump with these two press conferences and he will be reiterating that. this whole notion that race had nothing to do with this. let us be clear. one, we came in, civil rights groups and i organized the first big rally in sanford because we were asked to by the family and the local community that said that there was a pattern of racial problems with the sanford police department. had the sanford police department went ahead like anybody would have thought, given the inconsistencies of the statement by a man who killed a child that had not committed a crime, there wouldn't have been a case. so to attack the media for covering something, what made this case was a sanford police department in their history. when we came in, and raised that, the republican governor appointed a special prosecutor who then found that there was grounds for a trial. for them to stand before the public today and act as though people fabricated this. a republican tea party prosecutor said there is grounds for murder two. grounds for manslaughter. you noticed that even o'mara said t

there's a history to this, a legacy to this, as ben crump alluded to.he long history of race an justice in america and what the future holds as our "360" town hall continues. we'll be right back. announcer: announcer: you're on the right track to save big during sleep train's triple choice sale. for a limited time, you can choose to save hundreds on beautyrest and posturepedic mattress sets. or choose $300 in free gifts with sleep train's most popular tempur-pedic mattresses. you can even choose 48 months interest-free financing on the new tempur-choice with head-to-toe customization. the triple choice sale ends soon at sleep train! ♪ sleep train ♪ your ticket to a better night's sleep ♪ >>> we're talking about race and justice in tonight's "360" town hall, how americans of all races have experienced something that's supposed to be distributed equally. but the question is it? can george zimmerman's family an trayvon martin's family, and you get the same answer. no, because my son should have never been tried or no, because my son should still be arrive

crump has been available since we began this trial on june 10th. the jury selection process in he was sequestered as a potential witness from the courtroom. he was here for every day. i don't know what mr. blackwell schedule is but it's now been almost a month since we started jury selection or even our frye hearing. i believe he was here on june 6th in the to have this court continue keeping a jury sequestered without having court time because you didn't coordinate that deposition within a month's period of time, i find that very hard to do. >> your honor? from a scheduling standpoint, we didn't know until late in the day on june 3rd that we would be allowed to take his deposition. >> well, that's a month ago. that's 30 days ago. >> your honor, we've been somewhat tied up for the last month. >> well -- >> beginning with june 6th, 7th and 8th in the frye hearing and the sanctions hearing that we haven't even finished yet. on june 9th we met with our jury consultant and mr. zimmerman to prepare for jury selection which began june 10th. >> it's my un

ben crump or someone like him. because ben crump not gotten involved in the case, maybe for some good reasons to begin with, if he believed that there was something here that was being swept under the rug, then get on into it. i'm very okay with that. >> reporter: but you didn't quite say it that way. you made it sound like it was ben crump, george zimmerman would be free at this time and we would not be in a trial. >> that's correct. i think it was a made-up story for purposes that had nothing to do with george zimmerman. and that they victimized him, they complained about trayvon martin being victimized. george zimmerman was victimized by a publicity campaign to smear him and call him a racist when he wasn't and call him a murderer when he wasn't. >> reporter: and so angela corey and the governor and all of those that had a hand in bringing about this prosecution, they were all manipulated by ben crump? >> oh, i don't know that it was ben crump doing all that manipulation. but i'm very surprised that the prosecut

this is what he would accuse ben crump doing. he manipulated the media. one point is the first images that came out of trayvon martin, a youthful, very young, very small child-like figure. these were in the photographs released by the family. that is what mark o'meara points at. what are the first pictures we saw of george zimmerman? mainly as a mug shot. they looked for photos, mug shots, public domain. that's what we saw of george zimmerman. we saw a very youthful, very young child of trayvon martin. that is the manipulation he is referencing. is it a question for the media? yeah. the media must look at that. >> i remember when this story started. how it played out because there was criticism that the media, why didn't this story get national attention? and you know how the media works. whatever is available, that's what you use. if you have those photographs available. the media didn't know who ben crump was. the media had no idea. at least the national media. maybe locally, yes. the national media had no idea. >> i think what really happened here and

crump to not talk about this as a civil rights case. reverend jackson?of course it is a civil rights case. ofhink the department justice will intervene. i think the avoidance of the essence of this case will not do us any service. we are asking people around the country to protest with dignity and discipline. any act of violence will discredit trayvon's legacy. shift from violence [indiscernible] here are two young men, one is dead in the grave, one is a walking dead read he is limiting his life's options --there is something a certain concern about life options of zimmerman. >> pending a decision about his concealed weapons permit, george zimmerman is expected to have his gun returned to him, the gun with which he shot trayvon martin. speaking to abc news, defense attorney mark o'mara said george zimmerman has even more reason to carry a gun now >> does he get the gun back? >> yes, he does. >> what you think he feels about guns now? >> i think he feels truly in his heart that if he did not have that weapon that night, he might not be here. >> do you thi

joining me benjamin crump, attorney for trayvon martin's family. mr. crump, what is the latest you can tell us about the family. >> obviously last night, melissa, they were heart broken as any parent would be. i just talked to them moments before i got on air with you. they have renewed my energy. sabrina said something so profound. even though we got the verdict last night, we've come a long way but yet we've got a long way to go. a lot of people said that was the worst thing that could have happened to us with this verdict. she said, no, the worst thing happened february 26th, 2012. last night was a decision made by six people on a jury but that does not define their son trayvon martin. they are going to define the legacy of their child. i thought that was so encouragi encouraging. you watch her and mr. martin from the beginning of this, how devastated they were. they still were dignified and graceful. they have continued to grow in the roll of trying to teach people how to grieve appropriately and responsibly even in the face of just horrific circum

martin family attorney benjamin crump reacts here tonight and also, an american passenger talks about what it was like aboard a train out of control and off the rails. plus, for the very first time you'll hear the voice of a monster. what ariel castro who held three women captive for years had to say for himself and the plea deal that spared him a death sentence. we begin with a striking admission from zimmerman juror b-29, in a tearful plea from trayvon martin's mother not to let her son's death be in vain. juror b-29 known as maddy says she feels like she killed the teenager. a reminder today of what she and trayvon's father are living with. >> i just ask you as a mother, as a grandmother, as an aunt, an uncle, a grandfather to wrap your mind around what has happened. because i speak to you as trayvon's mother. i speak to you as a parent in the absolutely worst telephone call you can receive as a parent is to know that your son, your son you will never kiss again. i'm just asking you to wrap your mind around that. wrap your mind around no prom for trayvon. no high school graduation

we heard about the hoodies tonight from benjamin crump. one of the key defense arguments was that the hoodie was separated two to four inches from the body. therefore trayvon martin had to have been leaning over george zimmerman, threatening him. so zimmerman would have had to shoot. these were gathered at the bottom. they bagged out. did not necessarily mean he was leaning over. we never heard that argument. did the prosecutors not look at the evidence? did they not review it over and over and over again? as a lawyer would do in the course of a trial? did their staff not review it over and over again? did he not work on a closing argument that pulled together a cohesive theory? i may sound extremely critical of the prosecution. i have to be honest. i've been flabbergasted. especially through the second half of the trial. i look at the evidence over and over again. i look at what was going on in the courtroom and i had to shake my head and wonder what was going on in there. i don't have an explanation for it. i wish somebody would ask the

did you ever instruct your attorney, ben crump -- you didn't have ben crump when you listened to the tape on the 27th or the 28th, did you? >> no. >> he was not your attorney at that point? >> no, he wasn't. >> later, did you instruct him to say that the police lied when they said that you couldn't tell -- when they said that you had said "no" about it being your son's voice. did you instruct your lawyer to say that? >> i never instructed anyone to say anything. >> you never instructed ben crump to say the police had lied about that. >> i never instructed anyone to say anything. >> did you instruct your lawyer, ben crump, to say that the audio has since been cleared up and now you can hear it better? >> no, wii didn't. >> nothing further. >> may mr. martin be excused? >> yes, your honor. subject to recall. >> mr. o'mara, may mr. martin step down? >> certainly. >> you may step down. call your next witness, please >> we've just been listening to plaintive and painful testimony from tracy martin, the father of trayvon martin, speaking about those phone calls, the 911 calls, and i'm join