geoff: david coleman is chief executive officer of the college board, and brandi waters is director ofican studies for the college board. thank you both. david: thank you. brandi: thank you. amna: according to the gun violence archive, there have been well over 3500 firearm deaths in the u.s. so far in 2023, including the recent mass shootings in california. william brangham recently traveled to oregon to report on a voter-approved measure that aims to reduce gun violence. but, as he discovered, the new law has sharply divided the state. william: at portland's augustana lutheran church recently, interfaith leaders gathered for prayers and song. ♪ but the reason for this meeting wasn't not religious, at least not overtly. rabbi cahana: we know that the status quo means more death, more gun violence. william: this group called lift every voice oregon was behind a gun control ballot measure known as 114. it passed with nearly 50.7% of the vote in last november's election. molly: i have a very personal story. william: 21-year-old molly ramos worked on the campaign. her brother deshawn was

geoff: we a joined now by david coleman, chief executive officer of the college board and brandi watersrican studies for the college board. welcome to you both. david, the college board revised its framework for this ap african-american studies course, effectively downplaying or removing some of the se information ron desantis and other republicans criticized. did the college board change the course of offering to address republicans' concerns? >> the revisions were complete far before this public discussion. the revisions were based on two sources, feedback from professors and students and teachers in the pilot course, and returning to principles that are true of every single ap course. i know this has become controversial and political, so i want to be more than clear, in no ap course whether it is ap english, u.s. history, japanese culture, spanish culture, do we require a specific list of secondary articles that all students must read. we returned to that principle. it meant the secondary articles that were experimented with, for example, skip gates's a on 40 million ways of being b

it >> yes, well, news our spoke to the ceo of -- david coleman. and he told us, essentially, what professor patterson said which was this final curriculum was developed as early as december. , so even before these steps were taken by florida governor ron desantis, he also said, ultimately florida decides not to accept this final document that they are not going to revise it further. that this would be something that they would have to talk to the entire college board about. and, at this point, that they won't necessarily change it at all from this point. >> so, whatever happens down in florida, they would have the final say? >> no, he's saying that florida decides to reject, what, right now the document is. they are going to appease for it by changing it further. and, so, they're hoping that florida, ultimately, doesn't do that. they're not saying that they would take ap classes out of florida because another issue that was potentially raised about whether or not all ap classes would withdraw from florida, but it's not something that we're conside

. >> the ceo of the college board, david coleman, said that's not what they're doing. what they're doing is reparations movement is something that will still be taught in the class, something that actually the students themselves can write their final research project on, if they want to. and there's no limitations on what sourcing they want to use for that research project. and that teachers and the coursework welcomes them to use whatever sourcing they want to use. they're not mandating what they can do when they're crafting that entire research project on whatever subject it is. and he was concerned about the chilling effect that laws like those in florida will have in classrooms and that teachers have already voiced the concern about the fact that they may not be able to teach the influence of black, gay leaders and their place in history, what they did in history, to their students, and the fact they may not be able to do research projects on that, if courses aren't taught. >> this conversation, i think it was a supreme court justice of education as a marketplace

amy: let me ask you to respond to david coleman, ceo of the college board, defending their decision one don't want to the statements of politicians but would do look to the record of history. when we revised the course, they're only two things we went to. feedback from teachers and students as well as 300 professors who have been involved in building a course, and we went back to principals who have guided ap for a long time. amy: keeanga-yamahtta taylor, your response? >> again, i do think they were engaged in a process that went from a piloted course to a revised course. but even looking at history, some of this is completely nonsensical. the fact in the unit on civil rights and black power that they have reduced the black power movement to the life of malcolm x who was killed in 1965 -- four, really, the heyday of the black insurgency in the late 1960's took place. and why is that important? because from 1963, really through 1968 in elizabeth higgins book called "america on fire" that shows a longer history of black rebellion in uprising in the united states, is the context within w

democratic gavin newsom, tweeted out this critique of the college board, saying quote, and yet david colemanad of the college board we can't look to statements of political leaders. i call bs. you are merely a puppet of ron desantis. students take these upper level courses to show their academic might, strength. for example, when they're applying to go to colleges. the courses being offered right now at 60 high schools nationwide. kneel? neil: thank you for that. phil keating. go to vivek ramaswamy. you know imasset executive manager, executive chairman, best-selling author. most popular out there, nation of victims. the one that intrigued me, i give vivek credit, he wrote couple years ago, "woke, inc.," inside of america's woke justice scam. he was always ahead of this. good to see you. i'm wondering what you make of the way desantis is attacking this in a pretty surgical way in florida? >> so i give governor desantis full credit here. not only do we need to go to the step figuring out what we don't teach to kids in k-12, we need to go the extra mile what we do want to be teaching those kid

. >> i've known david coleman a bit over the past several years, and he's always struck me as a remarkableupstanding guy, a guy who is very fair. i take him at his word, and i think they have documents showing when they made the changes. i would have told him after the dissenters thing to wait a month . there's questions people have, but i take them at their word. the big change was they realized high school students like primary documents. >> i could have told them that. i know heisel students. >> i agree with jonathan on desantis that any time in american history. i would ask ron desantis to go to the african-american history museum. it is a very fair trail of american history and a very moving -- clarence thomas is in that museum. susan rice is in the museum, condoleezza rice, so they expand the history of black history, so you can do that, and i trust that at the end of the day, this curriculum will end up doing that. >> in the time that remains, l's talk about what democrats will be doing this weekend. they are going to vote on this new primary calendar proposed by president biden tha

. >> i've known david coleman a bit over the last several years.me as a remarkably outstanding guy who is very fair. they want to rebut it to feel represented in this. they have documents, stated documents showing they made the changes. i would've told him, waiting month, show a political ear, because our pe -- because our people that said was going on, there's questions people have. i take them at their word. the big change was the realize haskell students don't like the theory, they like primary documents. i could've told them that. i know haskell students -- high school students. [laughter] i agree with jonathan on desantis. at any time in american history, one needs to be forward leaning about african-american htory. that's been true and should have been true since 1619 and certainly should have been true today. he should go to the african-american history museum. it is a very fair portrayal and very moving portrayal of american history. clarence thomas is in the museum, susan rice, condoleezza rice. they spend the diversity of back history. yo

. >> gavin newsom tweeted out this critique, and yet david coleman the head of the college board saysical leaders, i call b.s. you are merely a puppet of ron desantis. high school students take these advance placement courses to prove their academic moxie, and it's being taught at 60 high schools nationwide. >> sandra: the statement from newsom sounds like a national campaign type of statement. >> both are rumored to be eyeing for 2024. it could be newsom versus desantis, you never know. >> john: interesting couple of years, thanks, phil. >> sandra: federal reserve hiking interest rates to rein in high inflation, but at what cost. layoffs in the u.s. hit more than 102,000 in january, according to a brand-new report and that is a 440% increase from the same time last year, and the highest that it's been since 2009. our next guest ran one of america's biggest stores and warns we may be in a world of hurt if the white house does not act soon. bring in bill simon, former walmart ceo and president. your perspective on the economy means a lot. you've seen a lot. you know the behavior of the

and had people, david coleman and barry davies and of course john.hey're never going to be the iconic figures because there's the football coverage is across several channels these days but yeah and was it the i mean he it was a journal ist early in his career for local newspapers did that actually really come into play that actually really come into play , if you pardon the pun play, if you pardon the pun because he always had the right word for the right moment. it was that journalistic expertise and skill that he had . he was and skill that he had. he was commentating . it's a very good commentating. it's a very good point about journalists and i think that's something missing. it's just a personal view in the current because journalism , as current because journalism, as you know, you're a journalist, trained your mind. yeah well sometimes you go giving it the benefit , the doubt. but most so benefit, the doubt. but most so you know motty definitely he was on the ball at press i think. then he went to the sheffield telegraph and to the radio. so

the body of 69-year-old david o'connell was discovered in his suburban l.a. home yesterday afternoon. christina coleman los angeles with details on that mystery. christina. >> reporter: jon, a murder investigation is underway to the find out who shot and killed 69-year-old auxiliary bishop david o'connell. he has served the los angeles after. die seize for 45 years -- archdiocese. parishioners stood outside his home last night to mourn his shocking loss. >> you know, i was actually scared to tell my wife, you know, because my wife loved him so much. >> he was so soft-spoken, he was a humble soul. he was not the type that would have confrontations with nobody. he was very loving and he had, like, a gift of healing. >> reporter: authorities say o'connell was found dead in his home with a gun shot wound to his upper torso after someone called and reported that a person was not breathing. authorities have not said who made that phone call or whether a weapon was found at the crime scene. in a tweet a spokesperson for the l.a. county sheriff's office said they're working diligently to seek those responsible