david plouffe do they tune into his speeches?se who are so curious that they are watching the speeches to try to make up their mind? >> if you have someone who literally hasn't made up his or her mind are they going to watch this whole speech? i really really doubt it but there's a process going on in your mind. they are thinking about it back-and-forth. the general impression trump leaves today will be important. a data point they put in in their decision who to vote for. david plouffe we know he's going to talk about things like legal issues he's got and will continue to talk about them as issue of persecution. we saw ds ago jack smith, special prosecutor working on a january 6th case against donald trump in federal court in dc, the judge allowed the unsealing of document he filed this week with new allegations, some new testimony. that's one side of that conversation. the defense, trump's legal team olanta that at some point but what do you make of the allegation that it was political in nature, times to the election? the doj

now is one of the architects of the harris battleground state strategy campaign senior adviser, david plouffe, nice to see you. thank you so much for being here let's talk about those blue wall states. >> she is in michigan today. does the campaign, do you now believe that those states, michigan, pennsylvania, wisconsin, that's the most favorable path to victory and is the sunbelt more out of reach at this point? >> not at all. i mean, we have multiple pathways to 270 dana that i think is really important in a presidential race so when you look at nevada and arizona, georgia, and north carolina they're all incredibly close as are the blue wall states. so there are seven states that are going to come down to a very small margin. and we're trying to reach every voter weekend that's voters who haven't yet decided who are going to vote. voters that we think are going to support us who haven't decided whether to vote yet and want to close as strong as we can know. we think all seven states now remain incredibly competitive. and kamala harris has a pathway to win in each of them let's talk about th

having said that, again, i'll go back to what david plouffe said.s who are remaining out there, who haven't decided yet who they are going to vote for, that's who this -- it sounds to me like a closing strategy is aimed at, reminding them, january 6th, he doesn't kid. if he tells you what he's going to do, believe him essentially, right? >> yeah, and if you value freedom and liberty in our country, and even if you think he's on your side on certain issues, there's no insurance that you're going to be protected from what he wants to do in the course of this. i mean, i hate to say this, but we have a long history in america where these types of appeals have some success. it worked against asians in the 1800s, it worked against blacks. it worked against women, of course in short periods of time. it's amazing this type of language is being used by donald trump in the 21st century in the diverse democracy that we have, but it has worked in our past, and hopefully it's not going to work this year or in our future but that's what this election is about. >>

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and david plouffe is on twitter right now saying that, hey, this was an ambush interview. >> laura: ambushying out loud all of the questions that they would like to ask of your candidate for three months and you have been watching the tv. you should those questions to your candidate and train her so she can answer them in inexcusable that over and over and over again she cannot do it. >> laura: david plouffe is trying to prepare for a potential kamala harris loss and he still wants to work an that. that's why he is saying that ben, it was not that much conversation about the economy. the number one issue in the country. bret tried to get her to really address it. let's play the soundbite. >> why do you think more people say they trust him on the economy than they trust you? >> i think that when you look at an analysis of our plans for what we would do as president of the united states, it has been clear to those who study and understand how economic policy works that moving forward. people are ready to chart a new way forward. they want a president who has a plan for the future and a plan

you saw david plouffe admits north carolina could be slipping away from them ever so slightly, georgia journal institution has a lead for trump there. you shrunk the battlefield. and so if trump picks off any one of these states, particularly pennsylvania, then that's the ball game here, folks. what i'm watching very closely is also the actions of some of the down ballot candidates. bob casey, senator from pennsylvania tight race, tammy baldwin of wisconsin, tight race. they're incorporating trump into their ads favorably, praising the work they have done with them, so what that tells me is there needs some trump, baldwin or trump, casey voters, they sit at the top of the ticket and they need to get crossover vote more than anything else. that tells me where the state of the presidential race is in some of these places. >> so, kelly, that brings me to you. madison, wisconsin, why there, why now for former president obama? >> reporter: well, good to be with you, chris. this is the point hours ahead of the event when the audio vendor is showing what he can by blasting the music, so, i ho

people to the polls door knocking which is another thing they were talking about today including david plouffee. >> they're better at it than republicans that's always been the case and we've talked about that for the last year and a half. let me give you an example how things aren't like they were ini 20 20. in georgia early voting, in-person voting is higher than it was in 2020 and that's a big turnout in north georgia and south georgia that are big trump areas. but guess what's not big. absentee ballots? they're way down because georgia changed their election laws and they're not flooded with absentee ballots now. you have to really prove you need one and they're just not out there to be harvested if one might call it that. they can't be collected. so that's way off. that's going to change georgia. so some states they can do their turnout magic. some states, like georgia, it may be a little more difficult than everyone expected. >> laura: of course we've got elon musk spending an enormous amount of time in pennsylvania. he believes that's the key to the election he's smart has lots of algor

so this may take awhile given the fact that david plouffe, the senior adviser to the harris campaign's harris says, some of these states are going to be decided by less than a percentage point, which is crazy. people have to be prepared for that. a lot of people nervous about that as well. how long it might take to get a result. harris is now sitting down with nbc for an interview that will air tonight. she is also of course, has a cnn town hall tomorrow, 9:00 p.m. with anderson cooper. what is she hoping to do with this and get out of this her main goal in these final two weeks is to raise the stakes of the this election in minds of voters. >> and i imagine that is what you're going to see her. do you noted i think she's sitting down with telemundo. she's sitting down with nbc news each one of these interviews that she's doing, also going to do a cnn town hall tomorrow with us in suburban philadelphia in delaware county, pennsylvania their main goal, hermine goal, has been to draw a sharp contrast with trump on every issue at every moment of the day. and i'd be surprised if that's not

we press senior harris adviser david plouffe. >> two-thirds of the americans say the country is going in the wrong direction right now. for those voters, why is picking the incumbent vice president the right choice? >> well, i think she has been clear. she is not joe biden. she is not donald trump. elections are a choice. i think she is reminding people every day some of the concerns people have about putting him back in the oval office, back this the situation room. >> peter, this is vice president harris' closing argument tonight, but it's also the kickoff of the final stretch for her campaign. >> reporter: lester, vice president harris is hoping to capitalize from the energy and enthusiasm at this event with a frenetic 48 hours hitting five of the seven key battleground states, including a stop this week in las vegas with superstar jennifer lopez. lester? >> peter alexander starting us off tonight, thanks. >>> tonight former president trump with his own pitch to voters, going after vice president harris on the economy and the border while making no mention of those racist remarks b

say that the thing that we were hearing from the peanut gallery and from the democratic, i guess david plouffe would call the bedwetting caucus, a week ago, is she's not doing enough interviews, she's not out there, she's not doing campaign events. whatever the merits of those comments a week ago, you're not hearing them now. i think the combination of the two weeks now of solid media engagement across the range of mainstream, things that everyone in the washington beltway, kind of establishment media wants her to do, whether it's "60 minutes," go on fox news, she did those things. she did the charlamagne tha god. she did "call her daddy." every possible outlet you could do in the alternative media, the non-mainstream media. we're waiting for her to go on joe rogan. that was something the campaign was pursuing for various reasons, having to do with the target groups left for her. she's had this full-court media assault and has come through it, in some cases having done exceptionally well, in some cases having done just fine. she seems to be full bore on the campaign trail. you saw her in the w

. >> reporter: david plouffe is a senior harris campaign advisor. >> doing the speech in washington,the site of january 6th, will help with interest, and this is a time in the campaign where we can even get 15 or 30 seconds of the attention of an undecided voter, that's a victory for us. >> reporter: with d.c. sandwiched between two blue states, the campaign is predicting that tonight's speech could draw her largest crowd yet. outstripping the 21,000 who showed up in ann arbor, michigan, last night, and the 30,000 who filled a stadium for her in houston on friday. with just a week to go, the campaign is pulling out all the stops, taking over the famed las vegas sphere in battleground nevada. and while former republican president george w. bush has stayed neutral in this race, his daughter, barbara bush, revealed that she spent the weekend campaigning for harris in pennsylvania, telling "people" magazine that she is doing it to "protect women's rights." >> it's it is time to turn the page on the drama and the conflict, the fear and division. it is time for a new generation of leadersh

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so even if trump is going after younger man david plouffe was on with dana bash earlier today and hed, basically, that's fine. he can go after younger men, but they don't tend to vote guess who does young women? but today, as you pointed out, he was asked, okay, well, get nikki haley on the campaign trail. let's just play what he said on fox news i think i do very well with women and i think it's all nonsense. i see the polls and we do well, yeah, i'll do what i have to do. let me just tell you, nikki haley and i fought and i beat her by 506090 points. i beat her in her own state by numbers that nobody's ever been beaten. like i like nikki nikki, i don't think should have done what she did and that's fine. that she did it he is not doing well with format but he cannot he cannot get himself to the point where he'll say if you support it, nikki haley, i want your vote i mean, i don't think that's even a part of the campaign's strategy anymore, which is why i think they are doubling down on some of those low propensity. >> i mean, the campaign strategists are telling cnn new the report,

and there is no doubt and david plouffe was on our air earlier today, a senior adviser to harris campaign talking about this, there's no doubt they see in these final 18 days they've done a lot of work of laying out some of her agenda pieces. they introduced her or they introduced walz, they had the joy that they see in these final 18 days. it has to be contrast with trump every hour because ever voters are left deciding between these two candidates. they need to take it to trump every day, which is why they seize on whatever sort of controversial thing he said says in the morning, you'll hear kamala harris referenced it now, in the afternoon and try to draw the contrast every single stop going straight to the cameras to do it. still hasn't sunken personally and it's only 18 days away. clearly, the campaigns have realized that based on what they're doing, david chalian, thank you so much and it's still ahead. hamas defiant after its leader has been killed by israel, the militant group says that is israeli hostages, however, will not be returned until the war ends in gaza and israeli troop

i will tell you that david plouffe is a partisan and he fights for his team.is i think as clear as both sophisticated and clear-eyed as anything anybody could say and the two campaigns don't disagree. he says if you see a poll with harris up by four points, throw it in the trash. if you see a poll that has trump up by four points, throw it in the trash. it's a tied race. it's uncomfortable for democrats. it's a tied race. it's going to be a tied race to election day. it's going to be maybe the closest election of our lifetimes. everyone is going to be scared if they care about the future of the country. but don't read these polls in this kind of insane way over the course of this period of time because there is nothing to learn from them for about a month and there is not going to be for three weeks. race was tied. the race is tied. >>> coming up on "morning joe," barack obama's 2012 campaign manager on the path to victory in 2024. that's when "morning joe" comes right back. (man) look at this silly little sailboat... these men of means with their silver spoon

. >> dana: david plouffe was with obama and now kamala harris campaign told "new york magazine" this is going to be close and this one may be close in more states than we've seen in a long time. we have six, seven states come down to a point, point and a half. call for number five and that's probably where this is headed. then if you just look at the fox news power rankings forecast map we put michigan as a toss-up. that had been lean democrat. then you look at these abc and nbc polls with harris 50-48 and 48-48. i heard it described as it is tied and getting closer. >> yeah, exactly. and if you believe these polls and there is a slough of them, it is all within the margin of error and comes down to those seven states. in the final three weeks it is hard to believe we're three weeks from the day. any little thing that moves the needle any bit could be a factor. so these events are big things. harris's town hall with the former president will be a big thing tomorrow. and we've invited the former president for the same format of this interview uninterrupted 30 minutes and we'll see if

. >> michael, just 13 days away, david plouffe, who's a senior role in the harris campaign gave an interviewe believes and their internal numbers say all seven battleground states are about a 1-point margin. they're all within 1 point. are there parallels and think back through history, if you will, about other lections that have been this close this late, and do they tend to stay that close or break one way or the other at the last minute isn't. >> well, it's not going to be like 1980 where ronald reagan and jimmy carter have a debate ten days before the election, and almost exactly the point we're at now, reagan did extremely well and a huge number of undecided voters turned a close election into a reagan landslide. that is unlikely to happen. plus, you know, look what the polls did in 2016 and in 2020. 2022 they were not very accurate. so not only is this a close election, but we feel we can't rely on information. at the same time i just want to repeat once again, look through american history, all of american history. we have never seen a situation where there's been such a dark differen

remember it like yesterday, i do, and i hope jen o'malley dillon gets to give the same speech or david plouffeepeated before the election. nothing would make me happier. >> that is very like you to look forward, that's from the war room documentary which as a student of the game, i watched more than once throughout my life and now we get to talk to you and a lot of our listeners and viewers get to hear from you and the better for it, we think. let me show the mcdonald's of it. it's an people magazines, it's viral online, it's fake, it's a photo op, it's donald trump pretending to do the job which kamala harris actually did as a paid job. so he's doing the photo op of a cosplay of what he did by contrast, we are showing some of her actual event this weekend. is it weakness, desperation, smart image politics? >> you know, i happen to be a fan of mcdonald's french fries like most people. let's talk about something serious, october 27th, he's giving a rally at madison square garden to mimic a rally that was held in 1929 by the nazi party. i don't care about the photo op , i do care that he says an

essentially reflecting that the former president of the united states, president barack obama feels and david plouffeo is now running kamala harris' campaign. i owe them a lot of credit from my childhood teaching me how to do community organizing, knock on doors, communicate. she has some of the best tacticians on her campaign. the problem is they have a terrible candidate. they were used to dealing with barack obama go out there and speak and communicate to the american people. who wanted the moderates to come and vote for him. who was called deporter in chief. now you have a candidate that has had years to craft some sort of message and she has nothing? nothing at all for the american people i mean, good luck. >> brian: this is why the answer is donald trump is unelectable, unhinged too old. that's why she is going to be at the ellipse, january 6th. that's what she is going to say. vote for me because you don't want to vote for him. that's pretty sad when they look around with their communications experts and say judging by your performance, we have to make him unelectable because we can't make you

. >> david plouffe said about 4% was just hard to fathom, but still.ays anxious every october. so don't make that freak you out. there are positive signs of life. tommy, it's great to see you. thank you so much. we'll all be listening to your next several episodes between now and election day. >> thank you. >>> multiple ballot drop boxes were set on fire today. i repeat, multiple ballot drop boxes were set on fire today. we're eight days out from the election. it's crazy to say that out loud. mark elias is standing by and joins me next. ins me nex litary and a certified dog trainer. i started noticing that the clarity wasn't there that i needed. and that was frustrating. i'd seen many commercials about prevagen and i thought, "why not give it a try?" after taking prevagen, i'm a lot sharper than i used to be. my memory is a lot better. it has made a huge difference in my life. prevagen. at stores everywhere without a prescription. if you have wet amd, you never want to lose sight of the things you love. some things should stand the test of time. long-l

david plouffe told "the washington post" the fact they are going to texas mean they hope it will happen in the seven battleground states. going to a red state, how does that help you in the seven battleground states? >> in a number of ways. beyonce is great and we will reach people with the time they spend together. number two, they are going into ground zero in the abortion issue. texas is a near total ban on abortion and they can highlight some of the stories there and they will be talking about that. this is something we haven't had a large-scale national election since the fall of roe v wade and we know that this is a really top of mind for so many folks and this is a really important place to fight it because we know what has been happening in texas. they can talk about those stories and remind voters in this final stretch here what is at stake. and so i think it makes a lot of sense for them to spend some time in texas. we will be talking about it nationally about it no matter what. >> i want to play this for you that coincides with harris visit to texas. >> for 54 years they were

this is one thing that david plouffe will tell you.t like -- this is not like a soccer mom election. here's the one demographic we're going after them entirely. it'll be chipping away at small pieces of a lot of things, and some of them will be the nikki haley voters. some of these are going to be white working class women who are more independent, never trump voters from the beginning. i'll get back to your important question, but there's another thing that will happen on this ellipse thing. you know, trump, when he talks about that day, as he often does about everything, he boasts about it, talks about how it was the biggest rally he's ever done. a million people on the mall, ridiculous, right? there will be images, not just what happened on january 6th on the capitol, but images of the actual rally. i'll be stunned, given the organizing muscle the harris campaign has, the money they have, if they don't turn out a larger crowd that day. if you go back to the politics of joy, a joyful, younger, larger crowd than trump had. is celebrat

extraordinarily focused on a daily contrast with trump you know, they had not been putting out david plouffe, the senior adviser from the obama days, who's now responsible for building the strategy to get to 270 electoral votes. >> but he did a couple of interviews with pod save america and a new york magazine certainly and you can hear where they are turning their attention, which is they want to draw a contrast with trump every day it's why harris wanted that second debate that she's not getting with him so badly in all her answers to charlemagne tha god. yes. she was working the african american vote and targeting black men. but it almost every answer she said and now let's compare it to where trump is. and so having them out and about daily is something that they welcome in terms of trying to draw the contrast and they are seizing on his whatever headline he makes in the day, right? so whether its enemy from within his world, discuss they then season on that and drive that home in their daily message. she's trying to be far more responsive and aggressive in going after her opponent on a

if kamala harris if there was anybody my harris or tony west or david plouffe or anybody else came out and said kamala health care is praised. adolf hitler how would you be right now? >> oh i would be. that's a bad thing to say i would say it's a terrible, terrible thing to say, right but i guarantee you that kamala harris key would say she didn't say it just as what's happening now. the same thing habits. so that's why people in america don't believe half the stuff. bakari, because it comes out, half the people say it did have and have people say it didn't happen, and everyone's left 14 days from election shrugging their shoulders, saying white noise. >> so, you know, so fortunate but i didn't watch the news all day today. i've been good for you and so the first time i heard this report was sitting and makeup coming onto this show think that's how most americans are living their day-to-day, just trying to get by dropping their kids off to school, going to work and i'm sick to my stomach right now. that this is even needing to be discussed and it's just not i can understand saying he d

independents, republicans who are still on the fence i don't know if you heard from her director to 270 david plouffe this morning, he thinks there's still gettable. and if those are persuadable voters, you got to get them where they are and they're watching fox news, the people really maga-type republicans. they think fox is too liberal i mean, they really do. i know this because i know a few now, why do i docks is really plays for nikki haley land voters. >> it's actually i mean, i think there's a misconception about who watches fox and it's really a lot of different types of people that she might need to talk to you. i need to talk. i was actually surprised that she's never done a fox interview. >> you go what it was amazing to me about this is, you know, she turned down the fox news debate they offered a debate and she didn't want to do it. and now with three weeks to go, were scrambling over to fox news because this campaign is in a full-blown panic. i do want to say a word about bret baier. everybody's seems to be crapping on him today. brett baier is one of the best journalists out there. he's

the challenge for harris figuring out how to top that in an interview with our isaac dovere, david plouffe, who's the kind of coup wrote on harris he'll say, okay, we've got to figure out how to fit our target, hit our target, whether it's 50% in the state, 49.5% in the state. bottom line, it's incredibly close what does what harris did yesterday, what she's doing today, say to you about her strategy here in the final weeks? >> yeah. >> i mean, we saw her out in all three blue wall states yesterday, right pennsylvania, michigan, wisconsin, and what they're trying to do is speak very directly to this slice of independent moderate, republican leaning voters who aren't thrilled with donald trump and maybe are persuadable. and of course when it's this close and has been this close, as you know, pretty much the whole time well, since since harris she's stabilized stable, she she she she improved on biden's numbers, but it's been very stable since you took the race. there just aren't that many persuadable voters are. and so they are really micro targeting on both sides, which groups are talking

i don't know if you heard from her director to to 270, david plouffe this morning, he thinks there's still gettable. and if those are the persuadable voters, you got to get them where they are and they're watching fox news. the people really maga-type republicans. they think fox is too liberal. i mean, they really do. i know this because i know a few now is really plays for nikki haley land voters it's actually i mean, i think there's a misconception about who watches fox right? and it's really a lot of different types of people that she might need to talk to you. i need to talk i was actually surprised that she's never done a fox interview. >> you go what it was amazing to me about this is, you know, she turned down the fox news debate they offered a debate and she didn't want to do it. and now with three weeks to go, were scrambling over to fox news because this campaign isn't a full-blown panic. i do want to say a word about bret baier. everybody's seems to be crapping on him today. brett baier is one of the best journalists out there. he's going to ask her a good questions. and i

studied who these voters listen to, set a campaign official, which kind of reminds me of what david plouffe was saying on this show on friday, which is when he was talking and unhinged and all of those things it was pretty clear every one of those terms, never mind the strategy to go after trump. it's all based on the data that they are seeing. >> it does sometimes from afar have the spaghetti against the wall feeling because they're careening from talking about abortion to democracy, to trump's lunacy, to narrowcasting at these very specific swing groups that are up for grabs. and in a way, when everything is so close, you have to play small ball in order to get those incremental percentages that gets you across the line. >> i like that. i got i got that sports >> thank you what sport is that? i think you anything about football. you got it, right. >> i mean, go yard by yard okay i had okay. all right. let's cheney yeah spent the day with kamala harris yesterday and she had so many interesting messages one of them was reminding people, particularly women that nobody sees who you vote for m

david plouffe did a interview. i think it was somebody new york magazine and depose or 48. 48. that's just where they are. i refuse to believe that we're going to lose. i just don't i don't hit that thought anymore. but we have got to tell people what exactly is at risk here. and if we don't then they'll make a choice based on some proceeds thing that a migrant is slow and fema doubt or something makes no sense. but if they're not making a decision based on the whole body of knowledge about donald trump then i'm afraid we could lose this if we make our case. well, i don't think we're going to lose. i have a very positive attitude as i'm it is 48, 48 right now. i don't i don't think anybody can really deny that. that's just where we are 22 days left to james carville. always an honor to have you, sir. thank you well, thank you. >> thank you. thank you. great respect for you and your show. glad to be on it. the pay attention to what they say, please pay attention >> thank you. >> either the national lead, a north carolina man has been charged for allegedly threatening workers wit

some of the obama people like david plouffe came on board. so imagine if things weren't to go well, this there there would be quite a bit of finger-pointing, but i want to ask you about some of her campaigning style. we've seen harris going back to these biden style attacks if you will, against donald trump. do you think the harris campaign is really now in these final days hoping to make this a referendum about trump well, this is also adding to the anxiety because some people inside the campaign were like, i thought we were about calling trump and jd vance weird and sort of dismissing them as unserious people. >> and now we're back to where we were in june which is to say democracy is on the line. donald trump is a fascist. and she's going to lean into this. this is her closing argument according to a person i talked to on the campaign, she is going to give a speech on the ellipse on tuesday where donald trump gave his speech on january 6. this is going to be a week from election day. this is going to be her final argument and alex, from th

now, that is different from like everybody that we're talking to, including david plouffe and you're terrific he's but even people who are not affiliated with the campaigns who say over and over, this is a jump ball. >> so i'm not going to bet against james carville. maybe he is right. but james carville also famously once said it's the economy stupid. and i think the reality is, we don't know yet what's going to happen this race. but i spoke to someone who is knocking on doors in western pennsylvania registered democrats, and independents know republicans very limited. there were two issues. one obviously, abortion, and there was a gender gap there but the other issue that the person heard the most about grocery store prices, yeah, the economy and they are worried about it. and over and over again, the people were saying because i said to this person who was knocking on doors, is anyone really undecided? and the person today? yes absolutely. and it's over the economy. >> and on that note, let's listen to a little bit of what the vice president said on nbc yesterday. that question sh

campaign, the people there, whether it's jen o'malley, dillon, or stephanie cutter, brian fallon, or david plouffe know oh, what works and what doesn't i don't also he has been out there and he has been out there with her. >> i just want i believe he's done you know, we haven't had a situation in 24 years where you have that question of a vp using their boss and it will complicated with who, but also to some extent you want to be we're on parson. i don't know that there's often as much thought about it, but bottom line, joe biden has done more to help kamala kamala harris's chances that anybody anywhere take a guarantee you the harris campaign thinks about this every day about what biden is going to say, should we use them? >> should we not? i mean, he is a look i can look at the guy now and not think dana carvey, i when when you had that quote up there, i was like, i was picturing in a carrier that's a compliment that is a compliment and they probably wish dana carvey would go out as biden and campaign for vice president harris but he is a gaffe machine at this point. every time he has been out,

. >> another educator who has written a biography of frederic douglass is david plouffe of yale university sure a good friend of ears and if you'd like to listen to her companion podcast you can do so. we'll try to leave it up there long enough so you can do that so you can hear the companion podcast in the companion podcast is more about the life of frederic douglass rather than about the book which we are discussing tonight. jason washington d.c., you are on c-span. please go ahead.u' >> thank you so much c-span for these programs ever and for taking my call. just a quick question, something i think that was covered. there was research done to figure out frederic douglass' biological father. >> i don't think anyone has determinedk who that was that i would think most historians who studied douglass believed it was the person who was his aaron anthony who was a clerk and a superintendent at the colonel lloyd plantation. we know he most likely was a white man. we also know that aaron anthony would have had access to his women laborers and we just assumed and we can't prove it. >> joining o

but it's why the harris team is so eager and david plouffe previewed this in a couple of his interviews. the senior adviser from obama days who's now devising all the strategy to get to 270 electoral votes for harris they see this as a critical component. it is not, as you said, you have to do everything now, there's no doubt about that. yes, they have to piece together pieces of the democratic coalition, but they believe they have to close the sale on this notion of a choice between harris and trump? and they want that to be front to them every day. and one of the things that if you listen to harris aides, things, they're doing is trying to seize on his news. so enemy from within was his new soundbite. have her seize on that. i wouldn't be surprised if our interview with charlamagne tha god today, she references this weird dancing at the rally they're going to try to swim in the daily news waters to draw that contract or baiting him the way she baited him during the debate. and they believe that the more you see of donald trump, the more the public sees or less sell like right? >> yeah

you can sense that david plouffe is saying when they go to grand rapids, we will do what obama did in iowa and go to counties we are going to lose and instead of losing by 80%, we will loss 65%. you start adding these up and it makes a difference. the fact she is going to places like savannah and grand rapids, suggest this campaign nay, they may be saying behind the scenes, we don't know, this looks tough, but they are actually doing the obama strategy. they are expanding the map, whether it's in georgia or in michigan. it's a fascinating strategy. we will see if it works. >> tim walz was in wisconsin yesterday and harris goes a pretty leaning republican district in wisconsin this week, to that point. ed, the harris team, they got a plan but they do acknowledge it's going to be really, really close and you've written in your new piece, even if she wins and you've made clear the dangers this nation and world would face in trump wins, but you're writing if harris wins, the air of bitter polarization likely continues. tell us about it. >> i look at four scenarios, the best of which is ha

at the same time, at this point of the campaign, they have to have, you know, david plouffe and the number crunchers doing all the granular work, sort of county by county. making sure they know who their voters are and who they still want to get. but that really says a lot, the contrast in favorability is usually a significant indicator. if it is this year, it is very, very welcome news for vice president harris. >> it's also an extraordinary effort by the vice president to try to win over these republicans. they spent a lot of time and resources there. on one hand, it shows how close the election is, and also the campaign clearly sees an opening. katty, let's talk about the economic numbers, though. writ large, the poll suggests americans relatively unhappy with how things are going. 60-odd percent of americans say they don't feel good about the economy. that said, it is an 11-point improvement, as we can see there, from a year ago. that is trending in the right direction. then when we see the individual categories, though, as joe and mika mentioned at the top, harris has really made inro