i do want to ask you about what has been described as this inciting between you, the dccc and some ofes in the democratic party. "the new york times" had an article describing, quote, open warfare between the dccc and the party's progressive wing over weather democrats should primary other democrats. whether progressives should go after some of the incumbents that they don't think are progressive enough. you think not. obviously people like alexandria ocasio-cortez believes they should and so where are you with this open warfare? >> well, i have one job to accomplish as the head of the political arm of house democrats and that is to make sure that we hang on to this what i call a fragile majority. we only have a 17 seat majority. so we've got to hang on to that and then job number two is what can we do to expand the majority. what i was just talking about, what we're going to be doing in texas with our monetary investment, with our personnel investment, that will be to expand our majority. but we have 44 what we call front line members of the congress and being on the front line means

the dccc says the policy is in place to protect all incumbents and congresswoman pressley says this could color and alexandria ocasio-cortez sakes it further urging people to sidestep the dccc. she tweeted if you're a small dollar donation pause your donations to the dccc and give directly to swing candidates instead. one way to get their attention. attack the money. it's interesting in the sense that you have the three new members who won by beating incumbents saying stop. let it be. let's just have it open, all incumbents, i assume they mean even themselves, let people challenge us. >> democrats are afraid of turning into republicans eight years ago when the tear party just started challenging left and right incumbent senators, incumbent house members and it really drove the republican reign as they were constantly afraid of the right flank. they want to put a stop to this now and in particular there are lots of older cbc members, congressional black caucus members, on the target list for the next generation democrats that want to primary people. >> if you're the capital "d" democratic

we want to make sure that the public knows that the dccc of course has raised and has spent a lot ofot only in flipping seats but also helping to elect democratic and progressive candidate members and progressive causes as well. >> you obviously don't like to hear a message that says don't donate to the dccc but you are saying people should have freedom to donate wherever they want and they do. final question, presidential candidate bernie sanders, senator bernie sanders will release his medicare for all plan today. you have been a big proponent of this. you know that even the left leaning urban institute says, look, the cost is $32 trillion over a decade. how specifically would you propose paying for that? >> well, i think part of my reason for wanting to sponsor a bill like medicare for all and to push for it is because i think we need a lot more conversation, whether on capitol hill or throughout the country, on how we can make sure that more people have equal access to healthcare. >> totally, but how would you pay for that, because that's the price tag. i'm wondering is this just

mean, it's almost as though the democratic house is not members of congress, they are members of the dccc. when do they start legislating? when do they start working for the american public? it's a very terrible standard to set for this nation and it's scary if it would be taken forward. reporter: do you -- now that the ways and means committee is demanding that the i.r.s. hand over six years of donald trump's tax returns and tax returns of businesses linked to him, do you believe speaker pelosi should release her tax return and the tax returns of businesses linked to her family for the same period of years? mr. mccarthy: i think to use it or political means is wrong. for any side of the aisle. there are standards what we have to file. financial disclosure statements to run for statement. that is what the law says. just as i don't go back to somebody four, five years ago and say, you went faster than a current speed limit or something in the past. we believe in the rule of law in this nation. for the idea that we're going to let government become so owerful, to go after and intim -- intim

but there has to be a balance between supporting the dccc, which has been a wonderful fund-raising andm for democrats, and also taking matters into your own hands. if you want to tweet support for somebody, go ahead and do that. but there's no reason to be tearing down infrastructure that supports democratic candidates. >> kennedy: the two-party system seems to be anachronistic at this point. there are so many competing factions. it is impossible to bring them together? >> james: i think there is democratic -- i think this democratic primary campaign will be interesting. obviously barack obama knows how he will be elected. it was running as a post-partisan he would. not a lot of sharp ideological message. i think he is looking at what's happening now, where bernie sanders -- for example, every senate democrat running for president, to endorse the green new deal. which includes socialized medicine. if these are the purity tests at -- >> jessica: not all of them have. >> james: with a ball cosponsored the green new deal. some of them later said, "i meant it," or, "i didn't mean it." but

i wanted to talk about especially that dccc issue. i am watching the democrats.it backblican, it is and watch it happen. -- as you block them six like the nine and the and the middle, i am watching the middle sit there and go the point of where i do not think reaching across the aisle or getting anything done -- and i have watched the speeches and how disrespectful they have been to anybody that sits in the chair. saying this is imploding. this is actually imploding the never seen some that point.ch you aree article referencing is in the headline ocasio-cortez and other house new incumbentt rule. one called it divisive and harmful. for the campaign committee to adopt a policy preventing challenging sitting democrats. is tweeted out the dccc cruel to blacklist anyone who does business with primary challengers. my recommendation -- if you are a small donor, small the roller donor, halt your donations to the dccc and give directly to swing candidates. we have some great ones. fungus woman presley desk congresswoman presley saying i believe in the -- in our party but

of files containing malicious computer code, malware, and stole emails and other documents from the dccc and dnc. the conspirators began to plan the release of materials stolen from the clinton campaign and the two democratic party organizations. beginning in or around june 2016, the conspirators staged and released tens of thousands of the stolen emails and documents, they did so using fictitious online personas including dc leaks and guccifer 2.0. the conspirators also used guccifer 2.0 persona to release additional stolen documents through a website maintained by an organization. organization one, wikileaks, that has previously posted documents stolen from u.s. persons, entities and the u.s. government. organization one is wikileaks. wikileaks is the organization whose founder was arrested today in london pending extradition to the united states. now, according to the special counsel's office and this live indictment that has since been handed off to the national security division at the justice department, here's how prosecutors say wikileaks helped in the russian military intelligen

. >> congressman you trimmed the dccc for a number of a candidates, given how big the tent is, how important everyone on the same page? >> first of all, every poll i see is active doesn'ts would rather have a candidate that could beat trump than one who agrees on all issues. so practicing ma tism is trumping -- we're seeing a whole new world. it used to be you posted numbers, but it's not how much money you've raised, but beto, for example, 6 to $7 million, but he also said from 128,000 separate donors. this thing is just exploding, i don't know how many dozens of times a day from candidates saying i need a dollar, i need $3. >> because every vote counts. >>> and stephanie, on that point that's another problematic situation for joe briden. he's never grown an online rea national fund-raising base to begin with. on top of that you need your online folks. he's going to have to start that day one growing that fund-raising. what he's going to end up doing is going to the cocktail parties in new york, in last, in the hamptons, shakesing do you think rich people. >> but if that's not the way that

they hacked into more than 50 computers at the dnc, the dccc. aye very serious attack. and donald trump welcoming it. in the mueller report, just read it. he gets off the phone from an unnamed caller and looks up and says to the other person on the phone, there are more leaks coming. the idea that he was welcoming what was happening from the russian government, and by the summer of 2016 the report documents that by that point the trump administration -- the trump campaign actually had a worked out formal process for dealing with the leaks that were coming in from the russians. so that's part two. part three is when the federal government starts to investigate part one and part two, donald trump took repeated steps aggressively to try to halt the investigation, derail the investigation, push the investigation somewhere else but otherwise keep that investigation from going forward and turning into a serious investigation about a hostile foreign government that it attacked us and about his own personal interests. so here's how i see this. if any other human being in this c

apologizing for the fact that they got the benefit of all the emails being hacked into at the dnc, the dcccleased to the public. that's quite brazen and remarkable to me that's their position, but so be it. not all ten to me seem to be real obstruction or attempted obstruction, but at least 6 or 7 of them do appear to be pretty definitive evidence of attempts by the president to interfere with the ongoing mueller investigation. and we still haven't acted sufficiently to try to protect the 2020 election. and we have a president in charge who seems to think there's no problem and continues to beat around the bush and say that we have real problems in protecting our electoral system. maybe they weren't involved in the attempt to go in and break into the mouse. i think this is a very serious matter, obstruction of justice has been the cardinal impeachment offense. certainly, that was the main cause of action against nixon and it's what the republicans impeached bill clinton over over a lie of one private act of sex. what we're seeing in the mueller report is far more sweeping and serious than a

and jeremy bash, and former chief of staff to the he dccc.oe, it continues his branding exercise. i'm exonerated. >> it turn act it doesn't really work. only 29% of americans believe he's been exonerated. i think that number has actually gone down since the mueller report. still, it means that some of his most hard-core supporters that really do follow him? the swirl of a personality consult he's a billionaire. it's what he claims he made not even a million nair. it's probably what the case is. first of all, have you ever met anybody that's intelly intelligence and goes around telling you that i'm intelend. a lot of stupid have tried to convince me how intelligence they are by telling me how shatter they are. we can't see the transcripts. the same thing he attacks obama for he's guilty of everybody knows he wasn't a good student, and of course he's claiming he's exonerated when we all know he's not he tried to change it to car aadvance, he tried to make up stories about disease-ridden foreigners coming to our lands, having to send troops to t

because he modeled his fund raising operation on bernie's, not the freaked out crazy ex-e-mails from the dcccing but the come with me and build a thing so it's very interesting to see whether beto just picked up because he was facing cruz or whether this is the model for the future. >> the early beto numbers proved -- a lot of people they are people giving against ted cruz and his early numbers showed that's not the case. i want to show the comparisons. bernie sanders, 900,000 contributions, 88 pfgs them under $200, meaning those people can give more. keep going back to the well. 218,000 contributions, 98% under $118. 64% of puget yeg's donorsorors had an average contribution of $36. thanks to the internet and thanks to who can tailor the best message to use social media, but the best thing, a, if they give to you once, they can give to you again. >> this is a new way of fund-raising that's taken hold since 2016. berns was at the forefront of it, and what i find interesting is the social media presence is better and warren are strong competitors with sanders in that arena. they have really tr

other piece on the attacks and we knew more about this, the attacks on the networks at the dnc and dccca lot of americans can do to stay more secure and keep their networks more secure. the other big thing, wolf, and you were alluding to it in your conversation there, what a remarkable description of just gangster-like behavior on the part of the president being rescued by the refusal of his subordinates to do things they felt were illegal or ill advised, ordering people to give messages to jeff sessions. i mean, just lying, knowingly lying. the press secretary knowingly lying. again, i believe that the leadership in the house is probably very skeptical of impeachment because they know that there is no fact pattern. there is no crime that would cause republican members of congress and most importantly republican members of the senate to turn on this president. >> you need a majority in the house for impeachment but two-thirds majority. 67 senators to convict. but that's clearly not on the books. not likely to happen at least right now. what big questions, and i know you say you haven't

our party but we cannot lay claim to prioritizing diversity and inclusion when institutions likely dccc amp limit policies to silence new voices and historically marginalized communities. let's go to charles in new jersey, independent. what do you think of these lawmakers? caller: i am glad to see fresh young people in the congress. i am an old guy, i am 70. i was a democrat. i have always been independent. will vote for the person not the party. as far as these young people in ,ongress, young and middle-aged they have fresh ideas. i think that's what this country needs. as far as climate change, something is happening. they can call it what they want. the polar caps are melting. we are having more floods and storms and something going on. as far as what a person is or where they come from, i am a christian also and it is not for us to judge, leave it up to god. green is a new republican congressman in tennessee representing the seventh district. a former nominee for u.s. army secretary, served in the u.s. army and former health care executive and former state senator. he is also the fr

they launched the dccc lack list to stand up against what they say is the bullying of the movement.n just a second but talk about what motivated the croatian bit motivated the creation of this website. >> just like a week or two ago, the head of the triple "c." she announced the policy that any organization who works on a primary challenge like alexandria ocasio-cortez, they could not work -- they would not be recommended to basically the d triple c. incumbent democrats who are worried about aoc challenging them, are going to boost us in saying, we give you dues, what are you doing for us. i need help. and primaries are kind of going mainstream in 2018 there were just a few organizations working on the races. i think the it's getting worried that they're going to be some incumbents who are going to face formidable primary challenges in 2020. >> is your goal to factual that system or is it to get -- to pick sides, to give rise to new groups? >> i think we're creating an alternative that can help working class, progressive, women of color, to have a path to power, congress, where so m

and what we are hearing about the dccc and their blacklists not providing money to firms that work forike we are blocking progress. it just in an attempt to keep the house, which is obviously very important. i think there are some districts where we can show that we are in favor both in the competition in those races and not risk that house majority. steve: okay. you know, robert, when not everybody pays attention to the politics as much as the three of us do. and the people who are watching right now. but, you know, you hear so much these days the democrats are talking about policies that seem like socialism or, you know, you hear about a.o.c. and her ideas on the green new deal and stuff like that. is it your worry that that is taking the party too far to the left and you could lose in the next election given that? >> yes. i mean, steve. i felt last night. i mean, i applaud bernie for going on fox and doing that town hall and applaud bret and alma mater fomartmartha ford balanced. mod democrats feel those can't be executed important to talk about gun reform and immigration and health