secretary and allow the defense secretary and those in the defense department to determine how best to achieve those savings. i understand that was part of what they proposed. looking at it in hindsight, it might not have been the best way to achieve those savings. it was a decision that was made at the defense department. >> turning to afghanistan, i know there is a lot of -- are a lot of favorable comments. you deserve credit for your part in taking down osama bin laden. congratulations to you and the president's national security team for that accomplishment. i get the sense that people were prematurely declaring that the fight is over because we have degraded al qaeda in afghanistan. i am glad to hear you point out that they metastasized to other parts of north africa and the region. i want to ask you in particular -- there are other groups that may not be as familiar to .mericans as al qaeda - could you talk about the islamic jihadist groups that are out there and could easily more for -- easily morph into a threat as dangerous as al qaeda? >> there are other groups out there.

plans and a missile defense shield in europe is seeing little progress r.t. caught up with dr use of bought from the federation of american scientists who believes it will take both sides to make the system worked. the war of words on missile defense has been calling on for quite some time now between russia and the us with washington saying we need to link this actors against potential attack from some dangerous state that usually mean iran or north korea also saying why do you need interceptors for life and that those rogue states don't have what we do so it's against i still question the russians do you america's missile defense plan as an attempt to diminish that very precious parity principle that was said in the start treaty and now the federation of american scientists come up with a report that looks seemed to russia's concerns and i'm joined by bought from the very federation thank you very much for joining me dr thought thank you very much for the reply so from what i understand russians are not against all interceptors they are against the more adv

it's interesting enough to say well gee they're here so we can cut our defense you know defense spending so i think you can take you know take a look you know take a look at that so there are a lot of things that you can do it if you do it smartly we've done it before dick cheney did it when he worked for the first president bush well the layered unit when he worked for richard you know richard nixon it can be done and it could be done and if you do it right you got to manage the place better and the bush administration and you know even gay so you don't have a strong deputy secretary of defense to keep weapons costs under control under control that's occurred to me as i mentioned in the interim we are fighting three to four wars as a doctor current financial and. military spending didn't cause that that problem we have proposed cuts by the obama administration so why not just leave it at that and focus on other first of all what i'm talking about is not war funding war funding as supplemental which is the first time we've ever done that in korea and vietnam we didn't do supplements you

the phrase a dr of approach to missile defense is broken up into two parts number one and number two where the low. potency interceptors the block long interceptors are online and phases three and four were the higher speed interceptors will be brought online and our analysis shows if the system is reconfigured a little bit but it will have some ability against russian i.c.b.m. so there is some. jim a concern from from the russian side as to the technical ability in principle off the system being able to intercept russian i.c.b.m. i'd like to explain to viewers so they have got the missile defense plan that we are talking about and that is now for discussion it is the four stage plan and the two phases of wage they have and they think envision the installation of this and three into separate from the lower capability the last two phases of more capability and it is the last two phases that thought the russians and in the report you argue that the u.s. doesn't really need the last two phases could you expand on that in fact. it's sort of a paradox because. even neither of the first ph

spitz. >> blasting the defense saying work was shoddy.to a forensic pathologist who said he didn't think it was shoddy. how does the jury decide? is it just a case of which medical expert they decide to trust more? >> well, that's -- to some degree that's the case. but, no, dr. spitz is one of the five medical examiners who literally wrote the book that everybody relies on. he's a very, very respectable man. and i think his word will carry some weight with the jury. but what they're going to do, i think, or at least i think the defense hopes they would do, is look at what dr. spitz has to say and the problems with the tape we talked about before, the lack of dna, et cetera, et cetera, and say maybe it makes more sense. in fact, the remains were moved and if that's the case, of course, the suppositions of the prosecution regarding the tape as being a murder weapon are in serious trouble. >> we'll leave it there. paul henderson and andrea lyon, thanks so much. >> thank you. >> good to talk to you. >>> ahead, breaking news. new word iran is

the war of words on missile defense is being going on for quite some time now between russia and the uighurs with washington saying we need powerful interceptors against a potential attack from some dangerous state usually named iran or north korea in moscow saying why do you need interceptors for weapons that those rogue states don't have what we do so it's against russia the question is do you america's missile defense plans as an attempt to preach that very precious parity principle that was said in the start treaty and now the federation of american scientists come up with a report that looks seemed to russia's concerns and i'm joined by bought from that very thing to ration thank you very much for joining me dr but thank you very much for the so what i understand russians are not against all interceptors they are against a more advanced and the more capable ones could you expand on that well we started the study a couple of months ago to look into the technical side of what might be behind russia's concerns so there's not a tip in the west has been that russia is ideologically o

defense secretary robert gates on the future of nato. then your calls and comments on "washington journal." on sunday, challenging the new health care law. the 11th circuit court of appeals in atlanta hears arguments on the department of health and human services brought by 2k6 states which oppose the law. they argue that the state is infrin -- that it's infridging on states' rights. we'll have that on sunday at 10:30 eastern time on c-span. nato members failed to increase defense spending and their commitment to military operations. he stressed the u.s. is shouldering most of the costs of nato missions in libya and said it would be increasingly difficult to support the transatlantic alliance without its allies. this is about 20 minutes. [applause] >> thank you mr. secretary general and for the opportunity to speak here today. this is day 11 of the 11-day international trip. so you can understand why i am very much looking forward to getting home. but i'm glad at this time and in this venue to share some thoughts with you this morning ab

budget. >> obviously, defense needs to play a role. when you are facing that size deficit, everything has got to play a role. >> i want to talk for a moment about one of the causes of those costs in both our defense budget and our veterans programs. they are a cost that is not necessarily in the headlines or even reported. those costs have to do with tobacco use, tobacco addiction, and the cost of tobacco-related diseases. i know the defense department is very aware of this costs. as a matter of fact, it asked all military personnel and next year to make their 2011 new year's resolution to quit smoking. in fact, about $1.6 billion per year in department of defense costs are related to medical care that is provided for tobacco-related diseases and among the retirees from our military for veterans, about 80% of the $5 billion in annual cost of treating pulmonary disease are directly attributable to smoking. the cost of smoking simply in dollar terms, medical treatment, is about at least $5 billion per year, not to mention the impact on r

secretary and allow the defense secretary and those in the defense department to determine how best to achieve those savings. i understand that was part of what they proposed. looking at it in hindsight, it might not have been the best way to achieve those savings. it was a decision that was made at the defense department. >> turning to afghanistan, i know there is a lot of -- are a lo of favorable cments. you deserve credit for your part in taking down osama bin laden. congratulations to you and the president's national security team for that accomplishment. i get the sense that people were prematurely declaring that the fight is over because we have degraded al qaeda in afghanistan. i am glad toear you point out that they metastasized to other parts of north africa and the region. i want to ask you in particular -- there are other groups that may not be asamiliar to .mericans as al qaeda - could you talk about the islamic jihadist groups that are out there and could easily more for -- easily morph into a threat as dangerous as al qaeda >> there are other groups out there. al qaeda

remember the defense made a big deal about this guy during opening statements the defense says this guyamed roy kronk was moeshlly bankrupt and that he hid kay caylee's body. did the defense bolster that today or did it backfire? we'll take a look. plus casey's father george anthony on the stand asked whether he had an affair with a volunteer searcher, a woman who says george told her caylee's death was an accident. and a closer look at the relationship between george and his daughter. be right back. an accident doesn't have to slow you down. introducing better car replacement, available only with liberty mutual auto insurance. if your car is totaled, we give you the money for a car one model year newer. to learn more, visit us today. responsibility. what's your policy? morning starts with arthritis pain... that's two pills before the first bell. [ bell rings ] it's time for recess... and more pills. afternoon art starts and so does her knee pain, that's two more pills. almost done, but hang on... her doctor recommended aleve because it can relieve pain all day with just two pills. this

the defense made a big deal about this guy during opening statements defense said roy krung was morallyt and he hid caylee's body. did the defense do anything to bolster that today or did it backfire? we'll take a look. plus casey anthony's father george anthony on the stand asked if he had an affair with a volunteer searcher. we'll show you what george testified about that today and a closer look at the relationship between george and his daughter. be right back. [ female announcer ] now at red lobster a complete four course seafood feast for $15. start with soup then have salad and biscuits followed by 1 of 7 delicious entrees and finish with something sweet all for just $15. right now at red lobster. >>> crime and punishment topt tonight. in orlando the defense in the casey anthony trial is finishing up its case. as we move closer to deliberations the defense is hoping to find a crack in the prosecution's issue big enough to qualify as reasonable doubt at least in one juror's mind. crazy's father was back on the stand today asked about an alleged affair from a volunteer searcher. and

but that is only one seventh of the defense budget. and usually while you kill that program, you don't eliminate the need for something to be bought in its place. i would argue the real challenges here are structural and they're harder to get at. they're in things like overhead, they're in personnel, they're in compensation, they're in agency and business processes, logistics. a lot of the-- you can't just go into a line item in the budget an find it. you actually have to make changes fundamentally. and these are the things that even will on panetta may not have time to do with just a year and a half in office. >> brown: doing these things while maintaining national security. >> i think it's important to keep in mind in all of this atmosphere we have doubled the defense budget and we have the only military in the entire globe that is capable of global operations, global deployments, global flying, global sailing, global communications, global infrastructure, we're the only military that can do that and frankly even with a million dolla

is really a defense and it's not aimed at russia. let's face it. we do not consider russia as threat to nato and nato does not constitute a threat to russia so let's join efforts let us cooperate but russia sees it our as they can't go forward on promises why put you down to the russia on paper that a missile defense system would not be directed towards them. either but it's very easy to guarantee it because we do not we don't have any intention to attack russia not whatsoever but the best guarantee russia could get would be to engage in a close cooperation meant for instance to establish a common a joint center where we could exchange data that would clearly demonstrate that this system is not aimed at russia. mr rasmussen the sox might demonstrate otherwise thank you very much for taking the time out to be live with us from brussels it's very much appreciated help to see you. just. he. stopped stories on our t.v. dozens killed in the libyan capital as nato won barsaat its most intense bombing raids yet while there's been heavy figh

they were involved in drawing up the strategic defense review. the only port i have to make is that when we are at war, as we are in both afghanistan and libya, it is important whether you are a political leader or military leader to think -- carefully about what you are to say. >> john thurso? >> is the prime minister aware of the decision abruptly made to close the passport office in wicked, which has obliged a 6- year-old boy to make a 300-mile round trip for interviews and another constituent to travel to new castle? is that acceptable? >> they do not necessarily involve people having to travel to the passport office. it is having an official service of the people can get the documentation they need. >> thank you, mr. speaker. given the number of interviews the prime minister has made it is a wonder that he knows which way he is basing -- facing. >> mr. prime minister. >> i did not get all of that. the reminder of the government back benches so a prime minister can hear. how helpful that would be. the prime minister. >> it would probably be g

secretary and allow the defense secretary and those in the defense department to determine how best to achieve those savings. i understand that was part of what they proposed. looking at it in hindsight, it might not have been the best way to achieve those savings. it was a decision that was made at the defense department. >> turning to afghanistan, i know there is a lot of -- are a lot of favorable comments. you deserve credit for your part in taking down osama bin laden. congratulations to you and the president's national security team for that accomplishment. i get the sense that people were prematurely declaring that the fight is over because we have degraded al qaeda in afghanistan. i am glad to hear you point out that they metastasized to other parts of north africa and the region. i want to ask you in particular -- there are other groups that may not be as familiar to .mericans as al qaeda - could you talk about the islamic jihadist groups that are out there and could easily more for -- easily morph into a threat as dangerous as al qaeda? >> there are other groups out there.

for the defense.ther, two police officers, one scientist and one tow truck driver, have testified they smelled the distinct odor of a dead body in that trunk. but the defense still has days of testimony left. the judge has told casey anthony's attorneys they need to tell him by friday how much more time they need. >> so gary, yesterday we learned the defense may call a woman who says she had an affair with george anthony and that he had told her caylee's death was some sort of accident. what's the reaction of george and cindy anthony to this? >> reporter: okay. i did talk to mark lippman, the family attorney about that, too, george and cindy's attorney. he tells me that george and cindy believe that krystal holloway is, quote, disturbed. totally denies the affair. they say they know krystal holloway because she was one of the volunteers looking for caylee's body. but they say none of this is true, that she is disturbed and they are very unhappy that she's come forward claiming this. >> well, also it i

that's what the defense review is about. libya shows that it's working and i think we should stick with it. >> stewart andrew. >> thank you, mr. speaker. will my right honorable friend recommend the campaign of high-speed rail campaigning outside of parliament today to bring thousands of much-needed jobs to theid lds and the north to help address the north/south divide and will he confirm that it will come to yorkshire? >> i can happily confirm all of those things. i do believe if we really are serious about trying to rebalance our economy, make sure we get growth across the country and not just in the southeast, then actually the time for high-speed rail has come and that's why it has my strong support. >> mr. wayne david. >> the secretary of state for wales has said that she is prepared to be sacked because of her opposition toigh-speed rail. will the prime minister take her on a very kind offer? >> i prefer to focus on the fact that in one year as welsh cretary she sered something that 13 years of your welsh secrety has n

>> this was the defense witness.efense's witness said that the smell in the trunk with you decomposition but it was the smell of trash. so on cross-examination the prosecutor, jeff ashton said, you want to see the trash. let's look at the trash. he takes it out and there's no meat products. there's no cheese products and the prosecution said there never was. it was just the wrappers and he asked for it to be passed around to the jury so they were to look at it and anderson, some of them decided they wanted to smell it and some jurors took out their hand sanitizers after that to sanitize their hands. >> it's also interesting that we heard so many prosecution witnesses earlier on talking about the distinctive odor of decomposition. if they were all sniffing trash that's an odor but not the same odor of decomposition. >> you're so right. this signifies that they wanted to smell so odor is important to them in the jury. you're right. >> the defense filed another motion asking the court to declare florida's death penalty

it's a crazy defense. and i use the word crazy purposely.s 100% true that's still crazy. who does something like that? so the jurist certainly expecting to hear something about that. this trial has been going on for weeks and they haven't heard anything about that. in addition, you have prosecutors who are at the top of their game, you have a judge who is very smart, he's gentle and strict at the same time and he's very careful not to allow any inadmissible testimony or questions to come in via the lawyers. and so far the defense lawyers have had most of the inadmissible questions. >> gave, thanks very much for the update. today is the first we've actually heard during the trial about this woman, april whalen, the woman whose child apparently died in a pool. i talked with jean kazarez and dr. michael hunter forensic pathologist and chief medical examiner in panama city, florida. >> jean, as we heard from gary, this woman april whalen in the same jail as casey for a brief period of time had a very similar story to hers about her own son drown

i have a copy of the motion that defense filed.permission to depose this witness because they went to mr. thompson and they wanted to speak to him. they wanted to ask him questions. he refused to meet with them. he also refused to speak to law enforcement. this press conference was the first time, i think, that defense heard this story, his version of events that in fact he didn't have this phone in february of 2008 or rather he got it in february of 2009. he didn't have it in the summer of 2008. but they didn't know that. >> not only would this man not speak with the defense, but when their investigator found him, that he, vasco thompson, called the police on the investigator. so they felt they had no other course but to do what they did. they still don't have confirmation that he got the phone number in 2009. they say they want that. they may do a deposition tomorrow afternoon of this man. >> sonny, you've been around a lot of courtrooms. have you ever seen people waiting to get in to look at -- to watch a trial actually end up i

and pledged he would stop declaring unavailability in criminal defense cases. for the most part, he has lived up to that. the only exception is the community justice center, or the public defender has made itself unavailable since august of 2009. that's a fraction of the cost of the $9.3 million before you. or the upcoming fiscal year, the court has decided not to request an increase or decrease for criminal indigent defense because there is too much uncertainty right now. if we look at the first chart i gave you, this is the recent trend, the five-year trend of indigent defense cases and expenses. i will walk you through this chart. if you focus on this top line, this is the number of cases handled by the conference panel. you can see five years ago we were at 6200 cases and has been a roller coaster since then. this year, we expect to be around 8000 cases. the red bars are the total cost for the cases depicted appear. it is a roller coaster, $7,000,000.50 years ago. it went to 9.5, now back down to 91 again. the good thing on this chart is you will see the av

secretary and allow the defense secretary and those in the defense department to determine how best to achieve those savings. i understand that was part of what they proposed. looking at it in hindsight, it might not have been the best way to achieve those savings. it was a decision that was made at the defense department. >> turning to afghanistan, i know there is a lot of -- are a lot of favorable comments. you deserve credit for your part in taking down osama bin laden. congratulations to you and the president's national security team for that accomplishment. i get the sense that people were prematurely declaring that the fight is over because we have degraded al qaeda in afghanistan. i am glad to hear you point out that they metastasized to other parts of north africa and the region. i want to ask you in particular -- there are other groups that may not be as familiar to .mericans as al qaeda - could you talk about the islamic jihadist groups that are out there and could easily more for -- easily morph into a threat as dangerous as al qaeda? >> there are other groups out there.

tomorrow the defense begins making its case.ars ago today this video was shot of 2-year-old kaylee, the last home video of her, flipping through a kid's book while visiting her great grandfather at a nursing home. the defense claims one day later after that video was recorded caylee accidentally drowned in the family's swimming pool. that's the defense argument. they say that george anthony casey's father covered up caylee's death. mr. anthony already who's been on the stand denies that. he's sure to be a target of the defense in the days to come. we'll have more on that angle in just a moment. the prosecution says that casey killed her daughter, stored her body in the trunk of her car then dumped her body in the woods near the family's home and didn't report her missing for weeks. today the defense turned to the judge for help saying the state didn't do a good job proving its case. gary tuchman. >> reporter: prosecutors have finished their case against casey anthony. >> your honor, at this point the state of florida would rest.

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draw cools down from the ages european missile defense say that it wants a bigger role in this project all details in just a couple of minutes. iran confirms to russia its total renouncement of plans to possess nuclear weapons at a summit they should leaders here in kazakhstan to join me for the details leader in the program. the west bring the deadly air superiority to yemen u.s. drones allegedly kill schools of civilians as the u.k. readies helicopters and to send to the rest of. internationalising come and live from our studios here in central moscow this is our t.v. greece is boiling point with police firing tear gas to crowds of protesters thousands of demonstrators are trying to block access to the parliament building where the government is discussing more cutbacks to secure the rescue learns first reports from inside the clashes that. the clashes between the police and the protest is still going on at the time for the state. building. fired into the crowd you can see the dysfunction in following the feds flare that was killed at a time. people him watching it was going to go to

say it backfired on the defense. >> the defense tried so hard to get testimony out of george that could the harder they tried the more it failed. let me give you one example. a question was posed, you were walking in the woods around here, weren't you? and the response from george anthony was, yeah, we were finding a new command center so we could try to find caylee. at the corner of these two streets it is a wooded area. and that's where we set it up. at one point also he said, look, i never wanted to believe that my own daughter was capable of killing her own daughter. that stunned everyone in the courtroom. >> and it certainly seems to verify what gary tuchman learned from his attorney days ago that his attorney told our gary tuchman that anthonys do not believe their daughter is innocent. they didn't say what she was guilty of but they just said they don't believe she's innocent. it was, jean, an incredibly dramatic day in the courtroom to see george anthony just breaking down on the stand like that. >> he was sobbing on the stand. and anderson in that courtroom the jury is so close

were some renounced experts on the side of the defense. as they testify and especially on cross-examination it appears as though they don't know the facts of the case. they don't know what the defense believes to be the case or factually is the case. so when it comes to cross-examination and the facts are brought out by the prosecution, they become prosecution witnesses. and i think the challenge for the defense with these forensic witnesses is immense in this case. >> jean, also george anthony's alleged mistress was subpoenaed. what is the defense going to try to prove with her testimony? >> i saw her in the hallway today. well, here's what she testified to authorities. she said in a sworn deposition that george anthony had told her -- and by the way, she denies any affair in the sworn testimony before law enforcement, but she came out public to the national enquirer saying she had an affair. but she said under oath that george anthony said to her in an intimate moment that this was an accident that snowballed out of control. but was that

i'm not defense secretary ed. ultimately, he made it pretty clear that he -- defense secretary yet. ultimately, he made it pretty clear that he works for the president but that there is not much daylight between him and the secretary either. >> did he say much about libya? >> he is mostly in the same position that the united states has taken, which again, is a difficult one. the president has verbally said, look, our position is that mr. gaddafi, the leader in libya, should go. of course the military mission is to protect the civilians and to put the pressure on mr. gaddafi to go. it is not being led by the united states. it is being led by nato. one question he was very definitive about however in answer to a bunch of questions from the senators was whether or not there was any indication the ground troops would ever be necessary either during the conflict as it is now or after mr. gaddafi would leave. mr. panetta said absolutely not. i do not know of anybody who is thinking of boots on the ground. >> michael shearer covering the hearing today of leon panetta. you can read his work

the defense is expected to rest its case today. talk more about this with holly hughes, a former defense attorney and former prosecutor. >> the 64,000 dollar question. right now great drama going on. the defense called to the stand crystal holliday. a woman who alleges she had an average with george anthony. two days ago, george anthony denied that affair and a little scoop for you. that very night, river crews went on blog talk radio and she was hot. george anthony denied being with her, she was cussing like a salty sailor. i'm waiting to see what happens in this courtroom this morning. could be explosive testimony because she was just so angry and giving out nasty details and all of the stuff on the radio. so it was quite the interview. after she is done, we need to see if they are going to put casey on the stand because legally speaking, kyra, they he stood up in opening, jose baez, the lead defense attorney for casey anthony, and he alleges all of these things. sexual abuse by george and sexual abuse by lee, her father and her

then a group of defense reformers were examining the pricing of spare parts at the defense departmentvered some real horror stories, like $750 toilet seats and $695 ashtrays all going into military aircraft. ridiculous, of course. as news reports of these horror stories were hitting the street, offices of inspectors general -- we call them o.i.g.'s -- office of inspector general -- these were sprouting up in every federal agency as a result of a recently passed act of congress in 1978. the defense department o.i.g. officially opened for business march 20, 1983. today, thanks to the inspector general act of 1978 and the taxpayers, we now have a real army of watchdogs. the question is, to what extent are they doing their business? this mushrooming ig bureaucracy is very expensive. it costs over $2 billion a year. but it now occupies a pivotal oversight position within our government. a very important role to play. as a senator dedicated to watchdogging the taxpayers' precious money, i looked to the i.g.s for help. that's because i just don't have the resources in my own office to invest

or the defense? >> no, sir. >> we'll be in recess. >> all rise for the jury. >> you're watching the casey anthony trial. the defense putting on its own witnesses and roy kronk, very important to the defense here. this was the water meter reader who had discovered the 2-year-old little girl's remains, the skull and the other bones. joining us is holly hughes, our legal expert, to kind of explain and put this all into perspective. why was he so important today? >> he is key, because they are trying to say, they being the defense team, that roy kronk is the one who applied that duct tape to the baby's skull. they're saying he found the remains in august, reported it, nobody did anything about it, so he went back and took those remains, collected them up, held on to them for four months, and then decided oh, now there's a big reward so now i'm going to take them back out, put them back into that same area, scatter the bones around, and boy the way, while i'm at it, why don't i take duct tape and place th

is really a defense and it's not aimed at russia. let's face it. we do not consider russia threats to nato and nato does not constitute a threat to russia so let's join efforts let us cooperate for us to seize it our as they can't go forward on promises why put new baronetcy russia on paper that a missile defense system would not be directed towards them. you have a very easy to guarantee it because we do not we don't have any intention to attack russia not whatsoever but to the best care and russia could get it would be to engage in a close cooperation and for instance establish a common joint center where we could exchange data that would clearly demonstrates that this system is not aimed at russia. mr rasmussen the facts might demonstrate otherwise thank you very much for taking the time out to be allied with us from brussels it's very much appreciated hope to see you again. in one thousand nine hundred two dr ralph brin straight university of pennsylvania said what if i can take the gene responsible for growth in human beings and