you're not going to get that from ron desantis. ron desantis, i think, has less. ron desantis.from what we've seen and been on the national level now for a while i haven't seen the humor. i haven't seen the self-deprecating. i haven't seen the entertainment value of ron desantis. now, governor desantis does tremendous job in a controlled environment. when just him when he's got the mike, he's great. he's amazing. there's no one better but i don't know if you go and have a look at some of the debates. ron desantis against andrew gillum in 2018. the democrat candidate who ended up being cocaine addict or whatever was captured in a hotel room with a male prostitute. only the democrats so if you go and have a look at those debates, if you have a look at his most recent debate with crist. okay. desantis is not as good. not saying he's bad, but he's he gets the job done, but he's not as good on his feet. in a less controlled environment, i hope to vote for ron desantis for president in. 2028. i think he can wait for years. florida needs. him. florida wants him. not. so i want him. so

. >> desantis at 56%. donald trump's at 33%. >> could the math. >> subject 33 from 56, that's like 87 points, willie, donald trump getting -- donald trump getting crushed by 10 3 points right now. >> and ron desantis just governor of florida saying look at me, look at me. >> trying to own the libs. willie, that's pretty massive. >> a staggering number. really is. a recent trend just in the last couple weeks. donald trump a firm grip on the party, maybe still does. now you're seeing more people who don't want him to run for president than do in the party, and that head-to-head matchup, will certainly change dynamics of the way republicans are thinking. if there is an alternative with aspects of trumpism without being donald trump, there he is apparently. ron desantis. >> wow! >> whew. >> shocked by those numbers. they are breathtaking. >> okay. moving on as tesla's stock -- >> trump, okay -- trump. >> narrow down on trump. who do we have next? >> tesla stock drops amid takeover of twitter. found himself det

we talked about the reelection of governor desantis. a landslide election within the state of florida for the way things are being done there. caller: if the republican party does not change their view, they are not going to ever win another election. they believe is michigan. they will lose senator manchin, georgia, and they do not have a chance to win another election. host: if they do not change their view on what? caller: if they do not change their view about what a woman can do about her body and everybody woke about this and that. how to become up with a word like that in the first place? guest: i appreciate the call. if you look at what you mentioned, there has been a change in america. it used to be let the state of florida was the ultimate swing state, the ultimate melting pot in america. maybe it is not so anymore. they are looking at michigan, wisconsin, georgia, pennsylvania, arizona as states where the true swing will happen, moving forward, but if you look at georgia, governor kemp won reelection, decidedly. at the same t

desantis beat trump 52-38%. a 14-point margin. now, historically republican primary polling has not mattered this far out. at this point in the 2000 election cycle, elizabeth dole and dan quail were the front runners. in 2008 rudy giuliani seemed like a shoe in. and at this point in 2016, trump wasn't seen as a contender. this feels different. trump is an incredibly known entity. joining us now is mark leibovich, staff writer for "the atlantic," and thank you for your servitude, donald trump's washington and the price of submission. there's almost no one in the world i would rather talk to about this. i'm going to refrain from glee. >> high minded show, we don't. >> low hanging fruit. >> let's go back to the nfts. >> let's l do it. >> and let's talk about the disparity between the major announcement trump was promising and the reality of photo shopped images as a 10-year-old fantasy. >> stunning. stunning in the caveat that we have said stunning words like that before. i couldn't believe it, and the fact that stevend bannon, micha

desantis won women, won hispanics.he gets a chance to talk to the american people, he will do what trump can't do, rally his base, rally the conservatives that love trump and reach out to independents and swing voters that are going to make the difference in the election. >> martha: thank you, marc. good to see you. you'll be hanging on with baited breath to see who times person of the year is. >> i am. absolutely. >> martha: thank you. good to see you. coming up, voting underway in the high stakes georgia senate run-off where officials expect a race so tight, we may not have a winner by tonight. we don't know, right? we've learned this. we'll be watching though that is for sure throughout the night for all of the results. a win by raphael warnock could hand democrats their 51st vote in the chamber. that would have been ramifications. you'd have senators in the top two spots for each committee. that's a big deal. herschel walker could win and would restore where we were with kamala harris having that tie breaking vote.

we're talking about ron desantis. ron desantis is deciding to run against the vaccine.e, why wouldn't he just talk about what he did in schools. why are they going back to the hot stove and placing their hand on top of it. when will they ever learn? >> you know, it's hard to find a commercial analogy because the company would be bankrupt. you can't keep doing this. if new coke kept coming out, and there would be no more coke. i don't think we can look into the world of capitalism to find that because it doesn't exist. joe, you know, as far as why desantis does what he does, you know, you've called it, you know, politics of gesture, i'll call it politics of stunting. it seems, you know, owning the libs, he backs off in the end. as far as why the republicans continue to just kind of bow to the god of this extreme right, and, you know, because the leaders are worried about their next election run, and getting primaried and losing because that 15, 20% of the base votes, it's insanity, there is no rational explanation. >> it is. it is insanity. >> and jen, go ahead, i'm sorr

ron desantis is an excerpt from your piece. rather have teeth pulled without an axe and aesthetic then beyond a vote with ron desantis. to sum up, desantis is not a fun and convivial dude. he prefers to keep his ear buds in. he is a step away from the vehicle vibe is strong and then this. on a debate stage, all of trump's strength go straight to desantis's weakness. trump's energy in presents, desantis is dour and doesn't improvised particularly well. people who are say he possesses a particular charisma. even people who votes for desantis don't say that about him. kim and launch any charm incentive unarmed. that's not exactly a ringing endorsement of what may come in 2024. >> he may have a complete personality overhaul? >> all can you completely do that? how can you possibly do. that >> he can do anything. >> look, there is a long tradition of sort of next big things who are built up, donors love them, they win elections like desantis did last month and pretty impressive fashion. then they come out to play and it's like oh, wh

desantis or racist.racist. >> the challenge is somebody like trump whatever you think of them even if you don't like him, you can't argue against the fact that he is performative qualities. that guy doesn't. >> no he doesn't. and again, those scenarios don't have to be as awkward as they looked. the thing with the masks. you can see where there is an appeal to like a bully kind of guy where he's maybe trying to make targets out of these conscientious high school students whatever they were. but i think in a case like that, you just sort of laugh it off. no one was laughing at that, it was cringe worthy. look at its presence. it's very intangible. this is not disqualifying necessarily. america does seem to like police to some degree. you don't have to be as charming. maybe gets you credibility as kind of an anti establishment doesn't play well with others kind of guy but look, i just don't think that he will wear as well as some think he will. >> america likes bullies that is true. i go back through the v

desantis -- >> okay.owing to this group of students inside, you can take off your mask, you can take off your masks. carlos, you are quoted in this piece. you, said the question that comes off, and what you want to have a beer with him, desantis has this robotic quality that he has to shed. i would say this, for a man. some of the other pieces in this quid are worth noting. trump would club desantis like a baby seal and one person said i would rather have my teeth pulled without and aesthetically to be at about with rhonda sanchez. you have to have some magnetism. that is what trump had, as i hate to say it, when he asked that draw with the. people desantis, does he really have it? >> katie, that is an important point. donald trump, for all of his flaws, there are a lot of people out there who find him fun to watch, interesting, somewhat charismatic. he can be charming, sometimes. it does not excuse all the damage he has done to the country. but for ron desantis, this is an important issue. he really has

he leads ron desantis by 26 points. among those moderately conservative, ron desantis leads by 30. do you think ron desantis is positioning himself to be in a better position to appeal to both groups than trump has been able to? or can you even really walk this line? can you win support of both of those? >> obviously, you could have all of the trump policies that you like. i think that's what you're seeing this this polling. i try not to give voters too much credit like effect blt, but it's hard to not see the stench of loser on him. lost the house in 2018. he lost reelection. all of his candidates in 2022 didn't fair very well voters are saying i don't know i can trust this guy can beat joe biden. now ron desantis is very conservative, but maybe he's a little more effectible. i don't know running against vaccines is a good strategy for the general election, but he's making the case. i'm more stable. i can beat joe biden fight the culture war for you, but i'm not going to blow up a campaign by doing something outrageous

i think right now, desantis is an unknown to most of america. i think republicans are bein fed his name by a lot of peopl who don't want trump but desantis has problems too. it's not like he is not wacky, he is banning books an arresting people on bogu charges who tried to vote, who have fallen apart. all kinds of things that he ha done, they will come front and center he is an extreme guy joe biden is not an extreme guy, he is a middle of the road guy who won because he is middle o the road if they nominate either trum or desantis, i still think tha the democrats are in a commanding position if the stick to their knitting at the kitchen table stuff. doing something abou prescription drugs, continuing to bang away on th infrastructure victories and working on gun safety and th things that they've gotten done i think -- presidential politics is going to come into play here because we have a president at the top of the ticket every election >> mark, you've reported on ro desantis and his likability, which is actually a real facto when it comes to

desantis is surging. joe biden, worst nightmare is ron desantis.d trump even with the very low approval ratings that kellyanne rightly speaks of. there was no bump nor the democrats in the mid-term. it was a repudiation of trump and trump candidates. i think desantis is ideally positioned. now, we all know that frontrunners early on, particularly those that are untested have a long way to go in a multi-candidate field. anything could happen. right now it's fair to say that ron desantis is the odds on favorite to be the republican nominee and potentially the next president of the united states. >> martha: it all seems so far away and then it doesn't. the months start moving quickly. everybody is gearing up. so this -- you said basically how kellyanne, the former president trump bucked the trend. all of these people that were long-time well known names in the republican party that everybody thought were likely to be the nominees. this time you have glenn youngkin, mike pompeo, nikki haley, mike pence. you could have another very broad field here. i'm

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wait until you get to know mark desantis.d with colorful language and descriptions of ron desantis and his personality. what's the deal, why is there a disconnect between those who have not met him and those who have? >> well, i think what you is see very often in politics, especially when you have kind of this 800 pound gorilla candidate that everyone is kind of looking to is the reality doesn't match necessarily the hype around him, and desantis is kind of a classic example of someone who, you know, now has a bunch of glitter around him, i think a lot of republican donors are very excited about him, and sort of someone who can rescue the party from trump, but ultimately, they have to come out and play some time, and they don't always wear it as as well as they think they might so we saw him reading to his kid, make america great, i mean very moving, i thought, speaking as a dad, i was really kind of moved by that, but hopefully for the sake of a child, that will not be repeated, and will never be spoken of again. >> you men

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and you know, does that really shake up a desantis race we'll see. richard is this it is hard to think about donald trump as candidate trump we think of him, many consider him uniquely dangerous to the country and the constitution but if you just consider him a republican presidential candidate in '24 who was the first to launch, he's a terrible candidate right now. i mean the messaging has been around anti-semitism, january 6th, and the indictment, and successful prosecution of the trump business empire. and so it makes it easy for ron desantis to make the case without really having to go to donald trump, because donald trump is making the case against himself week by week he's having a terrible, terrible launch and ron desantis is sitting back as a beneficiary of all of that. >> sam, we will bring up ron desantis here, considering the 2024 run, he is one of the governors expected to possibly do so, as was described, tailer what they do, day to day, potentially in the legislative work and as they move forward on their campaigns in terms of what will

quinnipiac had desantis up by two points when republicans were asked to choose between desantis and trumpw school came out today. look at that margin. among republicans, desantis is preferred 60% to 40%. this race, i think a lot of people thought trump would run away with it. but in fact desantis, if anything seems to be on trump's heels, if not ahead of him at this point. >> that's pretty stunning. as you know, donald trump loves to look at polls. so that obviously has -- he's got to be looking at that. so now take it a step further, harry. what about if you look at a general election against president biden, who said he intends to run, and certainly has some wind in his sails right now. >> look, ron desantis wants to make the electability argument. based on the poll that just came out, look here, what do we see? we see that biden and desantis are tied. tied when you patch biden versus trump, biden is up 10 points. right now the argument that desantis wants to make that he is more electable, the polling backs that up. >> he has done the one thing that seems to indicate for sure he is run

cnn questions whether ron desantis was spreading russian disinformation by asking about that.ned, it allowed the entire media to ignore the story and they suppressed this, suppressed the "new york post," twitter never suppressed ayatollah, mick las maduro has a twitter account, chinese foreign ministry, cuban dictator has a twitter account, "new york post" had its twitter account suss pended that is where we've come with social media in this country. >> and reserved up until then for child pornography, things everyone sees as egregious and this sunlight was quashed. >> harris: what you said, marc, about the president allows the press or wider media not to cover this, is that what is happening, though? i thought we had an independent free press, whichen moos we means we would cover everything and ask the questions no matter what answers the president prefer we give the public, if we're not free, what are we? is he trying to take that freedom away? our answer back to him, you can't have it, we're going to tell the whole story. with that disinfectant of sunlight is that what is g

favorable ron desantis 39. unfavorable donald trump 57, desantis unfavorable 37.can we take from this? >> probably not much. president trump has been on the national scene ever since 2016. ron desantis has not even declared. it's very important what president trump has done to the republican party. i became a republican because of president trump. more minorities left the democratic party because of president trump. you talk about president trump's effectiveness. look at j.d. vance, newly elected. look what happened to liz cheney. president trump by far as you said in the outset has a hardcore 30% base within the republican party. it's going nowhere. i would submit to you that he has a record to run on. people get caught up on trump's personality. you look at what has happened. your interview with bill melugin. that did not happen during the trump administration. i'll tell you right now, supporters like myself will stick with president trump not withstanding those polls. >> martha: it's very interesting. juan, there's a lot of discussion in the media circles about

and governor desantis has surrounded himself with individuals like dr.ho especially puts that up for the governor. and what's happening, alex, when it's gone under stress. governor desantis has invoked the national guard because he is ultimately the commander of the national guard. and can leverage that capability to his liking to support health systems as needed. and that tells you something. he's done it repeatedly. and when you have that ability to pull that lever at your will. when you're only listening to physicians and the medical establishment that thinks like yourself, that's only getting one side of the story. it's not giving you a holistic, scientific view. then morals come into it because that's the only reality you that know. >> i just wonder if there's not an echo effect here. you don't have to be living in the state of florida for this to affect you. i would imagine, please correct me if i'm wrong, from a public health system, just by a man who may well be a candidate for president in 2024, starting something like a public health integrity

>> i'm not sure taking the legal route is the correct way to go for gravity desantis.o look back. i agree with kim the development of the vaccine was extraordinary accomplishment but at the same time the selling in the policy around the vaccine was probably misleading the people. here's a headline from the new york times in november 2020. a new pfizer result, corona vaccine is safe, 95% effective. the virus itself has changed in the vaccines have not been able to keep up with it. i think it is good to look back into look at what are public officials have done in terms of informing the public, i'm not sure a lawsuit or prosecution is a right way to do this. >> coming up congresswoman maxine waters, the guardian of your financial services called blowing kisses to a person who is accused of crimes. the question will democrats get back the political donations that they receive from that same ♪ over the last 100 years, lincoln's witnessed a good bit of history. even made some themselves. makes you wonder... what will they do for an encore? ♪ flu symptoms hit harder than the

governor ron desantis wants to run for president against former president trump. months now. and so, if you are going to run against president trump, you have to be antiabortion. you have to be very extreme on your antiabortion positions. but i would argue that running for president as the ticket for the republican party, trying to appeal to every american -- it's not popular to ban abortion. so, desantis finds himself in a really interesting place, where he's feeling pressure from the right to ban abortion but he knows it's not popular in the state, which is why during the campaign cycle he avoided it. but candidly, we know his positions. he suspended state attorney andrew warren in hillsburgh county because andrew warren said he would now than corp incarcerate women or doctors in the case of an abortion. and he hand edited that executive order to remove him using anti abortion rhetoric. so, we know he is extreme. he just being very effective in hiding from it >> yes, but eventually, he's gonna have to do one way or another. that's why they made. he ran away from

i feel like ron desantis is somebody who pushes for the people. when you think about really the bench and how deep it goes for democrats, i don't see anybody. president biden said he will make his decision if he will run in early 2023. i don't know if the democrats are excited about that. we recently heard people say they would support him -- >> todd: begrudgingly. >> ashley: like pulling teeth to get the democratic party behind him. 65.3% say the country is going in the wrong direction. >> todd: not like the democratic bench will lower that number, pete buttigieg, we did a thing over him in the last hour, he shouldn't be president. take a look at kamala lack of track record and inability to speak herself and 42% of americans strongly approve of president joe biden and economy part and parcel of what people are worried about. inflation, joe biden has done exact opposite what he needs to do for that. the range you mention is where most ceos lie, you haven't lost too much energy from youth, 25 year old will be more energetic than a 55 year old, but

and governor desantis has surrounded himself with individuals like dr.o essentially kowtows and puts of policy position that he knows the governor is going to agree with -- and the governor, i will say this -- the best analogy here is, what happens when the florida health system over the past two years -- what has happened when it's gone under stress? governor desantis has invoked the national guard because he is, ultimately, the commander of the national guard and can leverage that capability to his liking to support health systems as needed. and that tells you something. he has done it repeatedly. and when you have that ability to pull that lever at your will, when you are only listening to physicians and the medical establishment that thinks yourself, that is only giving you one side of the story, it's not giving you a holistic scientific view -- well, morals then doesn't even come into it. because that's the only reality that you know. i just wonder if there is not an echo effect here too. you don't have to be living in the state of florida for this

but i think desantis can.t of it is, he is younger, but if you are a populist, nationalist republican, and you are looking around, donald trump is putting out videos and he is kind of irrelevant now. ron desantis, say what you will about him, but if you want somebody who is engaged in fighting the culture war, that is what he is doing in florida. the martha's vineyard stunt made a point about immigration, but it was a stunt, let's be honest. discrimination, he has taken on big tax, going up against mickey mouse and disney. he is fighting and he won by 19 points in florida. i think you can cobble together an interesting coalition of republicans who hate trump and people who are republicans who also do kind of like trump. i do not think anybody else could do it. if ron desantis can get donald trump head-to-head matchup, go ahead. host: let's take more calls. what is your question or comment? caller: my comment is pretty much about governor desantis. i believe that he oversteps his role. there are places, other t

. >>> plus, the rise of ron desantis. a new cnn poll finding he leads the pack when asked who republicans would want besides trump. should trump finally be worried? >>> and first on "outfront" tonight, exclusive reporting on the missing american college student missing in france. his host family speaking out for the first time. let's go "outfront." >>> and good evening. i'm erin burnett. "outfront" tonight, locked and loaded. russia raising the nuclear stakes today by loading its most powerful nuclear bomb. it is able to reportedly carry six or possibly even more nuclear warheads instead of one. and putin's message in this is for the united states. the icbm is said to have a range of about 7,500 miles, which means that its targets could be any city in the united states. they say it could carry six or more nuclear weapons. putin sending this warning to the west and to the united states at the same time as he is facing some damning new criticism about the war in ukraine from at home. a former fsb officer, someone who used t

do you think ron desantis, and i've asked carlos this before, do you think what desantis is going tothe ring now that a criminal referral comes? i mean we are going to kick it at the county seal? >> i think before we get, there we need to see that trump has a hold in the republican party. this hold also has a great deal of that bass. that base, we have to figure out whether or not they're going to go along with somebody like iran desantis, and along with, that run desantis get some logistical things in a state that we have to deal with because they repealed the -- to prevent rodriguez from going into congress. now they repeal, that the governor can run for president, that opens up another can. then, even if the governor decides that today, or next week, where next, year that he is going to run for president, he's going to have to putts every policy that he has gone through, that he's put forth in the state of florida, i'm not sure national display. what's that going to be? whether or not republicans nationally are going to stand up to iran desantis and say, we do not want donald trum

>> it's desantis and everybody else.ht now, donald trump is running a terrible campaign right now so you have to give the nod to ron desantis. can donald trump up this game? maybe in survival and political race he will do that. this feels more like 2000 nomination process where george w. bush was coronated, start to front, he was the front-runner, and there was nobody else. but desantis, as you and i discussed on election nature, the nation did not choose the politics that was offered. desantis will make the case that he's the better choice. that's why he's so strong in florida. and republicans have said we don't want that. they said that in '18 and 2024. >> i guess the question is if the rest of the field sees him as the front-runner, and they see him as the front-runner because he's trying to be even trumpier than trump, do they attack in the opposite direction? or do they just try to out-trump him? >> well, here's the inside ball game, you rattle ron desantis. he is somebody who has an incredibly fragile ego. easily r

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but i think desantis can.t of it is, he is younger, but if you are a populist, nationalist republican, and you are looking around, donald trump is putting out videos and he is kind of irrelevant now. ron desantis, say what you will about him, but if you want somebody who is engaged in fighting the culture war, that is what he is doing in florida. the martha's vineyard stunt made a point about immigration, but it was a stunt, let's be honest. discrimination, he has taken on big tax, going up against mickey mouse and disney. he is fighting and he won by 19 points in florida. i think you can cobble together an interesting coalition of republicans who hate trump and people who are republicans who also do kind of like trump. i do not think anybody else could do it. if ron desantis can get donald trump head-to-head matchup, go ahead. host: let's take more calls. what is your question or comment? caller: my comment is pretty much about governor desantis. i believe that he oversteps his role. there are places, other t

desantis has not faced the national stage.antly, as we have discussed, on election night, the nation did not choose the type of politics that trump and desantis in the state of florida have otherwise offered. desantis will make the case that he's the better messenger, and that's why he is so strong in florida. the rest of the country has said that we don't want that, and they said that in 18 and 20, and 2022. i'm not sure the desantis hot hand is good enough to carry him through 2024. >> i don't disagree with your analysis, but my question is that if the rest of the field sees him as the front runner, and they see him as the front runner because he is trying to be even trump year than trump, do they tack on the opposite direction, or do they just try to outrun him? >> here's the inside ball game. you rattle rhonda scientist, he's somebody who has an incredibly fragile ego. easily rattled, easily defensive, loses his temper, boxes people as we saw him do with that college student who is wearing a mask. >> i don't disagree with

desantis land.here the people have rights and the sheriff will meet you right at the corner there with a double-barreled shotgun if you are trying to steal property. >> rachel: curtis this is a weather story. >> it's a crime story. it's also a culture story. the democrats and people like kathy hochul have done so much to take god out of some of our institutions to secularize this country to denigrate families and marriage. and then should we really be surprised that we have kids, young people with no morality who are looting on christmas while people are suffering from a storm? >> not only that. but she knew in advance what was going to happen. she should have had the national guard on thursday. do you know where she was? she was right here in new york city. because our mayor, the swagger man with no plan eric adams was vacationing, raising the roof in jamaica. she had to come where there was some flooding as a quid pro quo. she should have been in buffalo from thursday. should have declared an emer

and then in a biden desantis matchup, desantis would have 47 and biden 43.ll today. >> yeah, it is consistent with what we've been seeing, that there's been a precipitous drop in the number of republicans that want donald trump to be the standard bearer. in october 21, 78% wanted trump to run again. now it's in the 30s. a lot of trump supporters are coming to the conclusion after the mid-terms in particular that look, he was an incredible president, he did great things in office from the abraham accords and treated unfairly by media and adversaries in congress but he's made himself toxic to swing voters and independents. without those, you can't win. they want to win. so they look at ron desantis that just won florida by 20 points, won independents by 20 points, won hispanics by 14 points and they say here's a conservative that share as lot of trump's policies and goes tag woke agenda just like trump is, but he can win. why don't we go with a guy that can win? >> martha: ron desantis spoke to south florida donors, save. basically focused on the winning that

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gerry: let's come back too quickly we talked about desantis, the other names like mike pence he mightbe nikki haley, any names there everybody is focused on desantis and trump, the rest of the field who do you think has the best chance of coming through. >> don't forget chris christie there's could be people that are in here one that i heard recently which is very interesting is tim scott in one of the reasons i had senator tim scott from south carolina people are drawing him apart the one thing a lot of republicans are missing is optimism the reagan happiness shining city on the hill aspect in gop needs to think about that as well. >> jessica democrat who would you most fear is a republican nominee. >> really anyone but trump, i do think trump is easiest target for us. i think tim scott is an exceptionally powerful communicator he proved that when he did the rebuttal a year ago or two years ago, i thought it was really good and if you want to play identity politics it's hard to call the republican party a bunch of races after running a black eye at the top of the ticket but asa hutch