donna trump, if there is anything we have learned in recent years, it's a next. and while the latest case against trump can't stop him from running an administration, if he is re elected, we are committed to following the bashful transactions with millions of dollars and providing answers to the wilkins to do just that. but the house oversight committee has indicate democracy in this country is all, but did they like the exact opposite of what they say they represent? so the republicans will the conservatives in our country have ignored. we're facing the day. i think that what they're doing to president trump is absent. i think there's a couple of act poses that should face that scrutiny. but haven't that goal is to make sure that he's bored from serving public office. one of the things that pro the deep stay tactics in the, the ways that they were ok as we approach half past at 10 this sunday evening here up, it'll st. petersburg that is dominating our news in st. petersburg killing high profile russian war journey were wounded in the bloss 6 of whom are said to

about other things in some sense excuse the expression, but we are talking about donna trump, who mayg in our company, on our scene, yuriy, please tell me, i understand it's difficult to draw in yourself like that, but sociologically, many people say that it will improve it in court proceedings. trump's image for republicans , and others say that it can be improved, but only for a short time. it will get a little boring and only the nuclear electorate will stand behind trump. but everyone who doubts or still passes by , let's say those who watched and liked it. they stood up for him . well, they won't stand up for him anymore. trump's supporters, in this situation, republicans, it means tearing themselves in two, because the republican party, for example, always supports laws, order, laws, next to us, we will support our police. well, this type of statement. and what did their rebels do? on january 6, they beat the police. coincidence and now, what is donald trump doing, he says, "serve, you need to take money from the fbi in the ministry of justice, that is, he is generally just atta

donna edwards case. what do you see as the historical analog between that case and the trump case? donna edwards was a senator who ran for president and he covered up an affair with money that was construed by lawyers as a campaign contribution. he went to trial. there was a hung jury. some took away from this the lesson that it doesn't work. it is kindf a novel definition. he had not thought of it that way in the past. it was a new way of looking at it. a lot of people are saying this one is in trouble for the same reason. i think it is a little different. it was the jury who decided about that case. they were judging the facts resented to them. the juries in this ce will judge the facts as presented. and the facts are pretty remarkable. we have known this for six or seven years. michael: -- cohen told a lot of it. i think the intent comes through pretty clearly that he wants to cover this up before an election. that is at the heart of the case. trying to taint an election by preventing the public from having that information. >> one criminal prosecution is onerous enough. he has

trump. that will be the argument from a lot of republicans. >> george: donna, there's three different sets ofarges potentially filed against donald trump. >> look at the donald trump has a grip on the republican party. i was looking for my notes, chris. you get me to write my notes. as of friday, i think you mentioned six republican governors, 26 united states senators, 63 house gop members including the speaker of the house, then state attorney general's, all circling and supporting donald trump. he has a group of the republican party and whether you are in the non-trump lane, the anti-trump lane, there's no wiggle room because he is going to keep a grip on the republicans especially in the short-term. long-term, i don't think this will help him in winning the nomination. >> george: ron desantis can't seem to decide which side he is an. >> he can't decide which lane he is in. i think he knows that part of his appeal is that he is a bit like trump but not totally trump. at the same time, i think he is looking for some opportunities to create some daylight there. we have seen this on ukraine.

trump. that will be the argument from a lot of republicans. >> george: donna, does the three different sets potentially filed against donald trump make you want him to be the nominee? >> look, donald trump has a grip on the republican party. as of friday, george, i think you mentioned it, six republican governors, 26 united states senators, 63 house gop members, including the speaker of the house, 10 state attorneys general all circling and supporting downturn. he has a -- supporting donald trump. whether you're in the non-trump lane, the anti-trump lane, there's no wiggle room because he will keep a grip on the republicans, especially in the short-term. long-term, i don't think this will help him win the nomination. >> george: ron desantis can't seem to decide. >> he can't seem to decide which lane he is in. he knows par his appeal is he's a bit like trump but not totally like trump. at the same time, he's looking at opportunities to create daylight there. we've seen this on ukrainian and trump charges. i think desantis is trying to feel out what his overall lane in the party is going to b

trump. >> former democratic representative donna edwards join us as well. couldn't he have more strength as a general election candidate than ron desantis, if he had the nomination, or clearly donald trump? >> i think potentially the problem that tim scott has as well as other republicans is that there still is that very solid republican base that you can't win a primary without them, but you can't win a general election with them i think that tim scott would struggle, just as any republican is going to struggle in a general election, if they continue to want to court that base he is a likeable senator but whether he will be able to take on the likes of donald trump and really beat out ron desantis, as brendon said, in order to do that remains to be seen all of them have to figure out how they are going to deal with a trump base that remains solidly committed to donald trump, and whether they will show up for a general election at all >> ashley parker, of course, the frontrunner in the race, by all polling no matter what problems he may have, is donald trump

year. >> you're right. >> thank you so much vaughn hillyard, john kasich and donna edwards, as always. >>> and donald trump'sive members of the proud boys involved in the january 6th riot in court we're awaiting a federal jury's decision the jury is deliberating on their role in the capitol attack the latest coming from the courtroom on "andrea mitchell reports" right here on msnbc reliable 5g network. (seth) and it's only $35 a line. (cecily) not that you're bragging. (vo) with verizon unlimited for $35 a line, your family now gets disney+, hulu, and espn+. all three included. verizon ♪ gillette presents... the gillettelabs with exfoliating bar. the bar in the handle removes unseen dirt and debris that gets in the way of the blades. for effortless shaving in one efficient stroke. all with a lifetime warranty. and if you want to keep the beard, use king c. gillette. a lineup of products designed to cleanse, soften, trim, and style- for your best beard. gillette. the best a man can get. i have moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. now, there's skyrizi. with skyrizi 3 out of 4 people achieved 90% clearer skin a

trump. this happened when he posted picture on social media, and there was a target beside he face. so that is a dynamic tha the judge will be watching ver carefully. >> donna, some conservativ pundit on lawmakers have strongly expressed their support for trump, they ar crying that brags investigatio is quote, a witch hunt and politically motivated and of course, let's not forget tha we still do not know what th exact charges are. what do you make of these electe politicians and their blin loyalty to trump? what is this that he represents for the that they are simply unable to just be objectively critical o this moment? >> well, you have asked question that almost none of u can answer because to no explain, they've had so many opportunities to send donald trump packing. they've refused to do it. here we are again, i a circumstance where he is facing the state indictmen from the -- alvin bragg, and they still will not get rid of him so they are really tie together, and i think that i is so interesting to me becaus they have not taken an opportunity to step back fro donald trump and now, in addition to the base, all of the republican apparatus i tied to donal

donna marathon. it may be as you said donald trump left his apartment at trump tower around 9 30 this morning. he got here about 15 minutes later, and it's in the meeting behind me at the new york attorney general's office. now he was here before in august. at that point, he and refused to answer over 400 questions, asserting his fifth amendment writing itself incrimination, but today, his lawyers say, will be a different story, his attorney, alina haba, issuing a statement. saying that not only is the former president willing to willing to answer questions, but he is eager to answer questions today. this suggests a shift in strategy and one reason maybe because when he first came here in august that was part of the investigation since then, the following month in september , the file that $250 million lawsuit alleging that they inflated the values of a number of their assets, including even the size of his penthouse apartment at trump tower. now they know what those questions were from those that last deposition they also know what the allegations are. and in a civil case, if you refuse to an

that stuff down but ultimately donald trump' voice carries more tha anything, so ultimately he i responsible for what he says and what happens >> brandon and donnack around and b back later on this hour. >> and a programming note fo tomorrow ali velshi, the specia coverage of the indictment o former president donald trump. he will be joined by the reverend al sharpton, kati fang, simone sanders, an myself we will cover the latest developments and what might be next for the former president. watch, special coverag tomorrow night at 6 pm eastern only on msnbc. >> and, coming up after th break. defending the former president we are going to go in-depth on trump's legal team's possibl plan of attack and how a potential conflict might run a presidential campaign from prison we have more on msnbc' coverage of the indictment o donald trump don't go anywhere! need relief for tired, achy feet? or the energy to keep working? there's a dr. scholl's for that. dr. scholl's massaging gel insoles have patented gel waves that absorb shock to hard-working muscles and joints, for all-day energy. hey, man. you could save hundreds for safe driving with liberty mutu

. >> donna edwards, let's talk about the numbers when it come to should biden and trump ru for president sayin that he should not but 70% saying that joe bide should not when you break that out, the strongest reason many voters are claiming is a. there's a four-year age ga between these two man. you look at the bide administration and the accomplishments that they've had over the past four years it's been productive, -- in the first two years how do they turn this around how do they turn those numbers around >>, well i think that's why yo can account for the fact tha even though democrats say that they're concerned abou president biden's age, the also say overwhelmingly th full vote for him and so i think the presidents gonna hav to take some of that and the way you counterattacks him getting out on the campaig trail he enjoys campaigning an talking about hi accomplishments. clearly, you see some of tha playing out in his numbers o the economy but his numbers ar right about where barack obama's numbers were frankly right about this time. i wouldn't rule anything, out think the president'

stay with us i can see gary donna you all are corresponded in new york setting himself up and will bring in shortly. we continue to watch the trump watch the trumpjets on the tournament —— or tarmac. let me bring you back in barbara for a final word. if people are tuning around now. explain to them what they'll be watching and them what they'll be watching and the significance of these moments. we are watching the former president donald trump are about to take off from parma beach airport in florida to go to new york where he used to live to face legal action. he's going to be entering the courtroom there and handing themselves over after being indicted on criminal charges and will be facing the judge to hear what the are and we are told he would plead not guilty. the significance is that he is the first former us president ever to face criminal charges which is a big step, historically speaking in the us. it does cross a certain boundary line because, although it is been legally possible to implicates or indict former presidents, it is never been done. and the other thing is this is happening as the election seasonis is this is

trump. he pled not guilty to 34 felonies in a manhattan. >> courtroom today. we want to get some insight on this. now joined by san jose state political professor donna crane. thank you for joining us here during kron. 4 news at 3. i want to start here. do you think this was a strong or weak indictment on former president trump? >> i think it's somewhere in the i i think that there needs to be accountability for some of his behavior. i'm not sure this is the strongest case i would have led with. but i also think that if we don't pursue these kinds 2 cases as technical as they might sound and we're basically telling elected officials and candidates that they can ignore campaign finance laws with impunity. so i would put it right about in the middle. >> is this a crime and alleged crime that a lot of people come in and if you think he's just getting singled out here. >> so my experience working in washington is that mistakes get made all the time and sort of tallying expenses to the right account. but this is or the least. the allegation is that this was done with the lib written us and that does not happen often. i think that there's, you know, sort of a litt

democrati representative donna edwards o maryland and former republican representative david jolly o florida. david, let's start with you. i want to get your take on former president trump's behind closed doors las night at the gathering i nashville. according to remarks obtaine by politico, trump argued that he single-handedly saved the republican party from th establishment class when he wo in 2016. also he said that if given another term he would make the gop an unstoppable genre dru or not that would dominate american politics fo generations to come and as h listed off promises he says he will accomplish it in office you know many of the types o people who are in the room for trump's speech last night. how do you think they ar reacting to what he had to say >> well, i would suggest h didn't receive the republica party and he is incapable of creating a running party for decades to come considerin that once he got elected after having lost the electoral vote in 16, republicans got trounce in 18 and joe biden won and 20 in the red wave that shoul have happened in 22 didn't happen so nationally the countr continues to push back o donald trump and trumpism an in most cycle

trump is a criminal. he wants to be a gangster. this man needs to be imprisoned. he's just a sad fellow, man. that is my comment. host: donnarom butler, missouri, republican. caller: yes. i was just wanting to make a comment and a suggestion. my comment is, president trump has done nothing wrong. my question is, if president trump had done such bad things -- i see all the good stuff he's done for our country. he loves our country. if trump is so bad, why haven't you guys investigated joe biden and his dealings and the laptop from hell with hunter biden and the money they have gotten from over in china and stuff and letting the balloon go past -- over our country and different states, and waiting a week before he shot them down? i would like to know why they are not investigating biden. why don't they kick biden out of the white house? get him out. host: dwight from fairfield, california. independent. caller: it is good to see you on a weekday. i'm used to seeing you on saturday morning. it's a pleasure to see you hosting. concerning former president trump, but we have to do is let this thing play out. let it play out throug

trump, it is likely to be desantis. i think the challenge is that the republican primary audience and the audience of people who vote for the presidents are two very different audiences. as donnat republican primary voters want and what the american voters at large want are two very different things. some people are going to want ron desantis. i think that on a national level, what ron desantis' policies play as is going to be very different from what they look like in florida. >> you want to make some news today about your plans for 2024? >> i'm staying with donna this morning. >> no announcement now. desantis signed this six-week abortion ban, signed it at night. i have seen him do live on fox news bill signing. this was a photo released at night. then he went to liberty university for a speech. liberty university and he didn't even mention what he had just signed. how does this play out? >> look, i have been saying for years as someone who's pro life that the way these decisions should be made is state by state. they shouldn't be federalized in any way. if you care about the constitution, you believe in the constitution, this is one that should be made state by state. state

trump. because i will never vote for a godless man like joe biden. host: donna in vero beach, florida.publican. caller: hello. i appreciate you taking my call. i have a unique idea and i do not know if it is possible, but asa hutchinson does not have enough polls. mike pence does not have the polls. ron desantis is young, that he is vibrant -- but he is vibrant. also, with donald trump being as possible as he still is, if there was a way to put in donald trump as vice president -- host: vice president to who? caller: vice president to ron desantis or mike pence. mike pence and ron desantis are good god-fearing men. they have a lot more decorum. and at least donald trump would still have his home in the pie. host: do you think donald trump would accept a vice presidential slot? caller: i do not know. but if you wants to be successful, that would be my ideal. that gives donald trump a second opportunity to be part of our government. if he is a legit man, he would accept that. host: connecticut, frank, republican. caller: thank you for taking my call. it would have to be donald trump. he

trump. because i will never vote for a godless man like joe biden. host: donna in vero beach, florida.blican. caller: hello. i appreciate you taking my call. i have a unique idea and i do not know if it is possible, but asa hutchinson does not have enough polls. mike pence does not have the polls. ron desantis is young, that he is vibrant -- but he is vibrant. also, with donald trump being as possible as he still is, if there was a way to put in donald trump as vice president -- host: vice president to who? caller: vice president to ron desantis or mike pence. mike pence and ron desantis are good god-fearing men. they have a lot more decorum. and at least donald trump would still have his home in the pie. host: do you think donald trump would accept a vice presidential slot? caller: i do not know. but if you wants to be successful, that would be my ideal. that gives donald trump a second opportunity to be part of our government. if he is a legit man, he would accept that. host: connecticut, frank, republican. caller: thank you for taking my call. it would have to be donald trump. he is

donna papi, fascinating going inside. well do some good reporting, as you always do. and we'll see you later tonight. i'm sure today on the air and then tomorrow morning coverage of the trumprraignment continues with cnn news central right after this great day. think about the best night's sleep you've ever had a temper pedic were dedicated t to helping you sleep like t that every night. so you get the deep , comfortable, undisturbed breast you deserve for a limited time. save $300 on select tper pedic mattresses. they said. you can't create an app without coding. we said whyot? today created apps using abby pies, no code platform. so you start to wonder can i do even more without code like, can i create fully customizable apps automate workflow? the answer is yes. because we are leveraging the power of a i so you can achieve exponentially more create a i powered apps without coding visit abby pie now. hey, man. you could save hundreds for safe driving with liberty mutual because demise your car insurance. so you only pay for what you need. who we gotta go again for what you need. liberty liberty. liberty liberty. last year i got stuck paying for my exes internet for month

donna from south carolina, democrats line. caller: good morning. i am having a hard time as i watch all of this craziness surrounding the former i would not say mr. trumpid everythiht. i would not did everything wrong. as with many of our past presidents. what isay is this. i would likto understand, from the american public, why they find acceptable to hav individual with a character that donald trump has display over the many, many years representing the peohe united states. thank you. mentioning the word character, previous caller called what was happening character assassination. a columnist using that topic this morning, character matters is the headline. leaving aside the sometimes legitimate and sometimes illegitimate responses from defenders of the former president following his indictment by a new york grand jury, there is something that would have made all the difference for the 45th president had he focused on it as his top priority rather than himself. that is character. dictionary.com defines it as features and traits that form the individual nature of some person or thing. there are those with good and bad character. people who demonstrate

donna from south carolina, democrats line. caller: good morning. i am hina hard time as i watch all of this craziness ouing the former president. i would not say mr. trumpid everything right. i would not say he did everything wng. as with many of our past presidents. what i will say is this. i woul like to understand, from e amican p whyhey find acceptable to have an individual wh a character that nald trump has displayed over the many, many years representing the people of the thk you.tates. host: mentioning the word character, previous caller called what was happening character assassination. a columnist using that topic this morning, character matters is the headline. leaving aside the sometimes legitimate and sometimes illegitimate responses from defenders of the former president following his indictment by a new york grand jury, there is something that would have made all the difference for the 45th president had he focused on it as his top priority rather than himself. that is character. dictionary.com defines it as features and traits that form the individual nature of some person or thing. there are those with good and bad character. people who