in the case of doug doocy you see that doug doocy decided not to play the game with donald trump, and as a result he has essentially persona non grata in the republican party. not just in arizona better nationally as well because he is disloyal and in contrast to doug doocy they think that the former republican nominee for the arizona supreme court gubernatorial race last year is making this her entire platform. the centerpiece of her quest to become trump's future vice president. just this, week stephen richer who is the county reporter in that state, it wasn't a lone republicans who has said no, there is not an election fraud. he is suing kari lake because she has defamed him so much. that it is almost unsustainable for him to go on. his family is being threatened, he is facing a horrible situation it just goes to show how trump's word is not just one guy, and is a cancer. is the dominance popular vibe in the republican party. and until we can address that within this republican base, well to see more and more and more of that because that's how you win support among today's republi

this call to arizona governor doug doocy claiming a short fall of nor than 10,000 votes.ws susie wildes, one of trump's most trusted advisers leading his 2024 campaign could be a witness against trump after he allegedly showed her a classified map after he left office. new from the independent prosecutors prepared to hit trump and his allies with additional 30 to 45 charges possibly in another jurisdiction. in the new york times report that the miami grand jury is still sending out subpoenas in the trump documents investigation this long after his indictment. former governor reacting to the washington post article saying this is more than nothing than a compilation of articles from the past two years disguised as something new. and relying on shaky and questionable sourcing. frankly nothing here is new nor is it news to anyone following the issue over the last two years. meanwhile donald trump is denying any wrongdoing. join me right now we have washington post congressional investigations reporter and msnbc contributor, as well as lisa rubin, msnbc legal analyst, both fa

learned from sources that former president donald trump in 2020 called then arizona government doug doocy pressure him to overturn the state's presidential election results, former vice president mike pence is now denying reports that trump tried to recruit him and pressure him to help in that effort. >> i did check in with not only governor doocy but other governors in states that were going through the legal process of reviewing their election results, but there was no pressure involved, margaret. i was calling to get an update, i passed along that information to the president and it was no more or no less than that. >> and important to point out, there was never any evidence of widespread election fraud discovered in arizona or anywhere else. let's talk about these developments and what it means for donald trump's legal woes with our cnn legal analyst, he served as the house judiciary special counsel. what's your reaction to this news? >> well, boris, it comes as no surprise that donald trump is reported to have pressured arizona governor doug doocy because we've all heard the tape of

sources telling cnn new details about president trump's efforts to pressure then arizona governor doug doocyfter the 2020 election. president trump had a phone call with governor ducey that we previously knew about, but governor doocy had not share d details. now sources tell cnn that president trump pressured the governor to try to find enough fraud in the state to overturn the election in arizona. sources also tell cnn new details that president trump tried to enlist his vice president, mike pence, in this effort. vice president pence, he called governor ducey several times after the 2020 election to discuss the election, but a source tells cnn that vice president pence did not follow through with the request to pressure the governor. this all comes as special counsel jack smith is ramping up his investigation into efforts to overturn the 2020 election, including some of those efforts by the president and his allies to reach out to state officials. now, the governor's spokesperson, he downplayed the significance of this call to us saying in a statement to cnn, "frankly, nothing here is new

trump tried to pressure doug doocy when he was the governor of arizona to overturn the election results. and doocy rejected that saying he didn't have the authority to do that. when he was certifying joe biden's win, trump called him and he ignored the call and certified the election for joe biden. and jack smith's team has now reached out to governor doocy. >> that's critical. my justice department sources said to me, do not think this indictment is the end. it is the beginning. jack smith, quote, can walk and chew gum at the same time. so the fact that katelynn has this reporting about the former governor of arizona being called in as a witness we're likely to see that, see this indictment shortly and then we will see jack smith continue to do interviews. >> when you say they reached out to him, does ha mean he has gone to talk or you don't know? >> i asked the question, has he spoken to jack smith -- you go to meet with the investigators or the grand jury, they did not say which, just they reached out, he's been responsive and wants to do the right thing. >> this was reporting i had

the washington post first reported that trump pressured and governor of arizona doug doocy to overturnesults, and the story has really interesting detail. the governor doocy told a donor leader, he was surprised at the special counsel jack smith hadn't reached out to him about the matter. cnn senior legal analyst elie honig is here to help break down all these legal threats. we don't know for sure that jack smith has not reached out to the governor, former governor of arizona. but if he hasn't, what would it signal to you that that is not something jacks mitt was interested in? >> if he hasn't, my first question, why is he waiting for. with all the focus on, georgia let's remember, this was a seven state strategy, including arizona. if i'm in charge of this case, to meet governor doocy's testimony, even more important than brad raffensperger the georgia secretary of state. with raffensperger, there is -- so we can hear the, call you don't need raffensperger's testimony. you just play the audio, that is the key piece of evidence. with governor, doocy there is no known audio. so, all you

exclusive reporting from the washington post alleging former president trump tried to pressure doug doocyof arizona, to overturn the 2020 presidential results. three people familiar with the paul told the post that trump also asked vice president pence to pressure d.c.. pence declined. do you see said it was a rehash of previous reporting relying on, quote, shaking in questionable sources. this comes as the supreme court issued another key ruling. rejecting the so-called independent state legislature theories. it would've given nearly unchecked power to states and running elections. i want to bring in alexei mccann and political reporter for axios an msnbc political reporter. a lot of people may have missed this, considering the other big rulings we got. the ruling we are talking about now avoids the danger of giving state legislature, essentially, unfettered power over the elections. how big are the implications could this really have urged 74? >> it is a significant decision for folks like former president trump and his allies who used the independent state legislator theory to fuel all

the washington post reports trump talked on the phone with arizona governor doug doocy in late 2020.lling the washington post, quote, trump's spoke specifically about his shortfall of more than 10,000 votes in arizona. the conversation between trump and governor doocy allegedly took place after the governor publicly certified the 2020 election results. in a statement to nbc news, former governor doocy now says he stands by his actions, and added, quote, it's time to move on. what we do not know at this hour, well, special counsel jack smith is looking into the reported pressure campaign in arizona. but the claims echo what we heard trump say himself in his self-described perfect call with georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger. raffensperger met with justice department officials in atlanta this week. joining us now, msnbc contributor, and former watergate prosecutor, jill wine-banks. she is also the co-host of the hashtag sisters in law podcast, and author of the watergate girl. jill, thanks for joining me. do you think the contents of the call between trump and doocy are news

think as joyce, said this isn't surprising, we already know donald trump had made a phone call to doug doocy't know exactly what was. said and now we have a better idea. but i think he inferred that reporting with brad raffensperger that he could surmise that he was making similar requests -- lots of different people. the thing that so odd about mike pence is what sort of impact -- how he thinks he's threading the needle here. to kind of cover-up for donald trump or excuse donald trump even as he's running against donald trump and using his own standing up to trump about than you are a sex. it's inexplicable the strategy here. >> joyce, what do you make of the doj's push to investigate the fake electors plot. i mean jack smith was able to get to giuliani to sit down with them. do you think he'll have the same walk with witnesses like jenna alice and john eastman? >> yeah. a large part of that will depend on whether giuliani is in fact cooperating with the government. or whether this is an effort by rudy giuliani to signal to donald trump that he needs to keep him close. and perhaps help with

brian kemp, doug doocy, they say they couldn't do those things. he was trying to get my paints to do things that he said he couldn't do. of course, we had rudy giuliani and other attorneys going into states and trying to get slates of fake electors. that's more than just questioning it. they head more than 60 court cases that were all thrown out. >> a lot of those core cases were thrown out on standing issues and they were really thrown out prediscovery. as to pressuring people to do certain things that people say they can't do, that one of those things where you have to look into it and say were that really pressuring them to do something that is clear black little law that they're not allowed to do? or, again, is it one of those things that's open to interpretation. when it comes to mike pence, obviously there are different interpretations as to what his powers our under the electoral college act and that's one of the reasons why congress then went to amend the act to close it and make it a lot more clear that his role is purely ceremonial becau

this one to former arizona governor doug doocy, allegedly pressuring him to overturn the results afterore than 10,000 votes in arizona. governor doocy says in response quote, this is nothing more than a copy and paste of a compilation of articles from the past two years, disguised as something new and relying on shaky and questionable sourcing. frankly -- what's your reaction to the story? >> it does tell us what we already knew about donald trump trying to twist arms, and we knew he did it in georgia and they came under a state indictment in georgia. but what's interesting about the governor to see is that when he was governor, he had a back and forth relation with trump, but he never sought to antagonize him. and i think not talking about a different conversation, he is given the same answer can systole that he won't reveal the details. and for some reason he feels very comfortable standing there and's -- and telling everyone what actually happened, because he feels that he did the right thing. i certified it, what does it matter what he said to me? i didn't listen. >> michael, let's

a source tells cnn that the current republican front-runner tried to push doug doocy to help overturn the source says that trump called doocy and pressured him to find fraud. sources also say that trump leaned on vice president mike pence to talk to doocy as well. a trump spokesperson responded saying, these witch hunts are designed to interfere and meddle in the 2024 election, in an attempt to prevent president trump from returning to the white house. cnn's jeremy herb has been digging into these revelations and has more details from new york. >> reporter: sources telling cnn new details about president trump eefrts efforts to pressur governor doocy after the #2020 election. governor doocy had not shared details about what president trump told him during that phone call. now sources tell cnn that president trump pressured the governor to try to find enough fraud in the state to overturn the election in arizona. sources also tell cnn new details that president trump tried to enlist his vice president, mike pence, in this effort. vice president pence, he called governor doocy several t

according to the "washington post," in late 2020, former president trump called then arizona governor doug doocy in an attempt to pressure him in overturning the state's presidential election results citing multiple people familiar with the call, the former president claimed if enough fraudulent votes were found it would overcome the narrow loss in the state. the post reporting that trump repeatedly asked then vice president mike pence to pressure doocy as well, into helping him stay in power. of course, governor doocy did not go through with that plan and certify president biden win in arizona. here with me now is "washington post" investigative reporter josh dawsey, thanks for joining us here. tell us more about what you learned because there is so much focus on the one call in january of 2021, when trump called the georgia secretary of state but now we know about another phone call that trump apparently made, who did you talk to for the story and what do we know about the details of the call? >> we know in that frenzied period right after the election, former president trump was trying to pre

a source tells cnn that after the votes were cast, former president trump called then-governor doug doocy of arizona in an attempt to pressure him into overturning that state's results. sources say trump also pushed then-vice president mike pence to help him in this pressure campaign. cnn has more now. jeremy, what more are you learning about trump's attempts to pressure the governor? >> reporter: good afternoon, paula. now we heard publicly at the time governor doocy acknowledge he had this call with president trump but did not know the contents of the call. now sources are telling cnn that doocy has said that the president pressured him to try to find enough fraud in the state of arizona so that he could overturn the election. the governor stood against trump and certified this election despite these pressure calls. sources also told cnn that the president talked to his former vice president and pushed vice president mike pence to try to also pressure doocy. we know that pence was call -- called doocy about the elections several times, but a source said he did not pressure doocy as he w

doug doocy, former governor i should say, in late november 2020, certifying the results of the presidentialg that paperwork, his cell phone rang. i don't know if you caught the ring tone there, but it was held to the chief, a dead giveaway that it was their then president calling donald trump. now, he dropped the voice mail. he said he did call donald trump back, but he would not publicly disclose specifically what they talked about. well, thanks to a massive scoops on the washington post, we now know what the two men discussed. according to the post, while doug ducey was certifying the results of the election arizona for joe biden, trump was calling to ask him not to do it. quote, in a phone call in late 2020, president donald trump tried to pressure arizona governor doug ducey to overturn the state's presidential election results, saying that if enough fraudulent votes could be found, it would overcome trump's narrow loss in arizona, according to three people familiar with the call. we know that special counsel jack smith is investigating donald trump's similar attempt to pressure georgia

on the heels of reporting that donald trump pressured the former republican governor of arizona doug doocyerturn the election results, with a doozy leader telling a donor he was surprised that special counsel jack smith hadn't called him. my first guest tonight testified before the january 6th committee about a call that he got from trump pressuring him to do things he couldn't do to overturn the election results when he was arizona's republican speaker of the house. and rusty bowers joins me now. rusty, as you are looking at this and we are learning about the subpoena to the secretary of state's office, what does it say to you about the state of this investigation? well, that it keeps going. and, you know, it appears that a justice, whatever that means on any given issue in america grinds on. and it has taken a while but it just seems to keep going. and ultimately i hope that all concerned have their time before justice. and i don't wish anybody any ill. but justice grounds on. >> have their time before justice. i, mean we are hearing about trump also pressuring the governor of your state

trump called arizona's been governor at the time, doug doocy to put the squeeze on. in fact, there is even video of him trying to reach the governor unsuccessfully in this instance as he signed papers certifying president biden's victory. the audio is a little rough here, but the rent out you here is hail to the chief. >> so when he finally reached governor ducey, a source familiar with the cold house asked the former president did talk about the result and a source says he pressured ducey to find fraud that would help him reverse his defeat. separately, the washington post reports that mr. trump spoke specifically about his margin of defeat more than 10, 000 votes, then talk about a range of false claims that he says would show he overwhelmingly won and encourage governors ducey to study them. cnn reporting, former vice president pence was pressured by his boss to call ducey as well. here's what he said about it. >> no, i don't remember. the president and i, things can to hit at the end. i have spoken about that very openly. the president and i continue to have a st

we learned this week that donald trump pressured arizona governor doug doocy in a phone call after the020 election to help overturn trump's election loss. that's according to a source familiar with the matter. as you know, trump is under investigation for a similar phone call in georgia. is that acceptable to you and could it be criminal? >> you know, we'll let the prosecutors decide whether it's criminal or not. i did do that for seven years, and you have to know all of the evidence to make that kind of judgment. but is it acceptable? it's absolutely unacceptable, to be pressuring a governor or any elected official as it was with the secretary of state in georgia, to try to find votes to be able to win a state that you didn't win or to try to somehow come up with some kind of ridiculous theory to overturn the results in arizona. let me tell you why he lost arizona. he lost arizona for the same reason he lost pennsylvania, he lost michigan, he lost wisconsin. and he lost georgia. because he had become a caricature of himself. because he had not done the job the american people elected

just one day after cnn learned that then donald trump president pressured then arizona governor doug doocyhelp overturn his 2020 defeat. pence said he didn't pressure doocy to find fraud. >> i did check in with not only governor doocy, but other governors in states that were going through the legal process of reviewing their election results, but there was no pressure involved, margaret. i was calling to get an update. i passed along that information to the president and it was no more, no less than that. >> according to the "washington post," doocy told a donor that he was surprised that he hadn't heard from special counsel jack smith's office about the phone calls with trump and pence, at least according to that donor. we do know that smith spoke to brad raffensperger about this call. >> so, look, all i want to do is this. i just want to find of 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have. because we won the state. >> repor >> still surreal every time i listen on it. pressure on state and local officialses is one facet into the investigation. one where it seems prosecutors are getting c

detailing it another trump phone call relating to the 2020 election, this went to arizona governor doug doocyically to his shortfall of more than 10,000 votes in that state. it comes as federal prosecutors investigating efforts to overturn the 2020 election have now interviewed former trump lawyer rudy giuliani as well as georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger. do you think donald trump should be bracing for another indictment? should be bracing for anothe >> well, you know, today is sunday. we learn again that donald trump lost arizona. and if you read the article on the washington post this weekend, it's very clear that the governor of arizona told donald trump that he lost arizona, that they investigated all these alleged false claims, and found there were not any. and we have multiple court cases in arizona all showing that the voters in arizona voted for joe biden over donald trump. trump simply lost. these, he is a loser. and he's trying to cheat his way into power. and, again, we find that the system held, and it prevented cheaters like donald trump from claiming the presidency

over in arizona, doug doocy has also been contacted by the special counsel and this week was -- we confirmedr this year by fbi officials as part of the investigation. let's bring back my panel. charles, i'll start with you on this. what do you make of these moves from smith's team in getting the state officials to cooperate with him, and the fact that he is speaking to them? >> amen, like i said, prosecutors go where the facts take. you and what we are learning as this investigation continues to go forward is that this was a very large scale planned by donald trump and many of his allies to just dropped, if not we >> it is not a crime to believe that you did not lose an election that you lost, it's not a crime to believe that you may have been cheated out of that election, it is however a crime for you to try to overturn the results of an election. especially if you have reason to believe or should have known that you actually lost the election. so what i glean from everything that's going on from jack smith and his current pursuit is that he is trying to get as much evidence as possible tha

this one, to arizona governor, doug doocy, referring specifically to his shortfall of more than 10,000ws, susie wiles, one of trump's most trusted advisers, leaving his 2024 campaign, is the pack representative who trump is alleged to have shown a classified map after he left office. nbc has yet to verify that report. and new from the independent prosecutors have prepared to hit trump and his allies with an additional 30 to 45 charges, possibly, in another jurisdiction. and a new york times report that the miami grand's jury investigation of the trump documents case continued after his indictment. trump is once more denied wrongdoing, but is now bracing his arrest for campaign punchlines. >> i was arrested! and every time, my polls go up. we are leading them by a lot, -- notice that, we are leading by a lot. every time they go up, they get more and more radicalized and vicious. >> and here is governor doocy's reaction to the washington post story. quote, this is nothing more than a copy and paste of a compilation of articles from the past two years, disguised as something new and relyi

this was new reporting for the washington post that trump tried to pressure governor doug doocy who was the time the arizona governor, to overturn the states presidential election results in 2020, saying if enough fraudulent votes could be found, it would overcome his loss in that state. the size and the scope, it seems, of jack smith's january six investigation is expanding. i mean, we have been focused on georgia. we know about the electoral electors scheme. but now, this new reporting from the washington post suggests that there's a lot more -- there's a lot of substance. >> well, i think what it shows is a pattern of behavior, ayman. in other words, a common scheme or plan. molly had mentioned the fulton county case. there, of course, he was pressuring brad raffensperger, the secretary of state. there is also a call to a man who is now deceased, who i believe there's a call to a speaker of the house in georgia. here we have another piece where he is engaging in similar behavior. he's trying to pressure the governor in arizona. we also know about his efforts for state legislatures in

pence confirmed that he did call and governor doug doocy about the vote count. that he wasn't trying to influence arizona's results. >> i did check in with not only governed to see, but other governors and states that were going through the legal process of reviewing their election results. but there is no pressure involved. i was calling to get an update, i pass along that information to the president and who is the war, no less than that. >> pence is responding to a washington post report about trump's own phone call with then governor do you see. trump pressured doocy to overturn his states results. while nbc has not verified where trump and you see discussed on the phone, we do know what trump posted on twitter on the day in question. saying of doocy quote, why is he rushing to put a democrat in office? republicans will remember. monika pressley is back with us. so, monique, even if pence was just checking in about the election, how significant are his and trump's calls to various governors like governor doocy? >> when you get a check in from the vice presid

quote, in a phone call in late 2020 president donald trump tried to pressure arizona governor doug doocythe straits presidential election results. say that if enough fraudulent votes could be, found it would overcome trump's narrow loss in arizona according to three people familiar with the call. we know the special counsel jack smith is investigating donald trump's similar attempt to pressure georgia secretary of state officials to overturn the election. but according to the washington post, it is unclear if doug ducey has been contacted yet by the special counsel's office. if it is front page news i am out in that governor calling the governor ducey will be added to jack smith's growing to do list if he hasn't already done so. jack smith is under an extraordinary amount of scrutiny as he continues to lead criminal investigations into donald trump. who as we speak is the republican party's front-runner for president. unprecedented might be a word you are tempted to use here but, investigating someone like donald trump has fact been done before. in 2018, the usual occupant of this hour r

doug ducey in the days following the 2020 election. over the weekend "the washington post" reported trump tried to pressure doocy to overturn the electionon's capital where police are looking for the person who used explosive devices and a molotov cocktail to hit a bank, a nike shop, and grocery store. they were all targeted within 15 minutes. >>> with no big winner in saturday night's powerball, to ght's drawing is now orth an estimated $522 million. for more, download the cbs news app on your cell phone or connected tv. i'm matt piper, cbs news, new york. >>> another deadly mass shooting, this time in baltimore. 30 people shot. at least two killed, ages 18 and 20. it happened at a neighborhood block party. the mayor of baltimore calling this an unspeakable tragedy and reckless, cowardly act. >> i want those who are responsible to hear me, hear me very clearly. we will not stop until we find you. >>> also, weather alert. coast-to-coast heat plus strong storms moving through the south and the east. how it could impact your fourth of july celebrations. >>> and picket lines. as many as 15,000 hospitality workers walk off the job in los an