dukakis when it was asked. i remember looking at her face and thinking, wow, this is where the rubber meets the road. this is the direct deal. this is the real thing. and it's hard. and the person answering may have not felt well, may have answered it correctly four days before, but he was her husband. he's a man, legahe's somebody w felt what he took in and to go to what bob just said, didn't have the best way of dealing with it, just the way governor perry may not have, but it's very helpful to remember these are individuals who have decided to make the tough choice to go out and expose themselves and their records, and everything about their lives to the american public and the world public. and try to make the case to the fact they're the ones you should support. >> let me frame the next reference point to something everyone can understand. people who watch the debates may be deeply involved in politics and policy or they may be casual observers or may be for the first time focusing on the candidates in the

dukakis not only opposes the death penalty, he allowed first-degree murderers to have weekend passes from prison, one was willy horton, murdered a boy in a robbery, stabbing him 19 times. despite a life sentence he received ten weekend passes. weekend prison passes, dukakis on crime. >> so that was september of 1988, a month later, this debate, the question that kicked off the debate with cnn's bernard shaw, let's watch. >> governor, if kitty dukakis were raped and murdered, would you favor an irrevocable death penalty for the killer? >> no, i don't bernard and i think you know i've opposed the death penalty during all of my life. i don't see any evidence it's a deterrent, and i think there are better and more effective ways to deal with violent crime. we've done so in my own state and one of the reasons why we have had the biggest drop in crime of any industrial state in america, why we have the lowest murder rate of any industrial state in america, but we have work to do in this nation. we have work to do to fight a real war, not a phony war against drugs and that's something i wan

the willy horton became a metaphor of other issues in 1988 the dukakis campaign faced. this is the pre-internet age but gives you a sense of how one issue moved the public opinion. >> there are a lot of examples and of course what we're getting into here is this broad view of how campaigns are won and lost, and it has to do sometimes with the single issue spots like that, commercials that happened to hit a responsive chord from the public. you have to give a lot of credit so to speak to the people behind the scenes sitting around a table like this. lot of people decry it say it's bad, we have so much spots to shift public opinion but that's the environment we live in, products and services, we have commercials that move back and forth so that's how we live today is that people respond kind of intuitively, kind of respond emotionally to these kind of ads and the persons themselves, and that can make somebody win or lose a campaign. dukakis, the example you showed there, if your wife was raped, what about the death penalty, and the problem of course pundits said was that

the first is the question from bernard shaw to michael dukakis. let's watch the moment, come back and get the full story. >> governor, if kitty dukakis were raped and murdered, would you favor an irrevocable death penalty for the killer? >> no, i don't. i oppose the death penalty during all of my life. i don't see any evidence that it is a deterrent. i think there are better and more effective ways to deal with violent crime. we have done so in my own state, and it's 1 of the reasons we had the biggest drop in crime in any sdprael straight in america, why we have the lowest murder rate in tamerica. we have work to do to fight a real war, not a phony war against drugs. that's something i want to lead, something we haven't had over the past few years even though the vice president has been, at least allegedly, in control of that war. we have much to do to increase that war, to step up the amount of agents, to work with our agents in this sem fear, and i want to call a hemispheric summit to fight that war. we also have to deal with drug education pre

certainly, he's very close philosopheically to michaeldi dukakis, jimmy carter -- dukakis, never electedwn problems. obama because of the maimplts in the first two years in particular, was able to ram through the new start arms control, through the senate, very detrimental to american national security, the budget cuts because of the horrendous sequestration deal cut on the hill, are going to have dramatically negative effects on our military capabilities all around the world. i think in a second term, obama's multi-laterallism, his affinity for international law and organizations will really come to the fore. i think he has been constrained in the first term because of the fear of the political consequences. i think it's katie bar the door in the second term. >> liz: have you done important work on the damage that this president has done to american sovereignty. i think that's something that people don't focus on or understand, but it's very real, as he continues to embrace international organizations that don't put america first. >> the u.s. sums up sovereignty very well in the first t

clinton going on after his and this nominating speech of -- endless nominating speech for michael dukakis, admitting to johnny carson that it was not the best hour of his life. >> but it is about the youth vote. in 2008, obama got something like a 67% of the youth vote. only 69% of 18-to-29 voters are registered, only 46% say they plan to vote. >> they are young. >> they at enthusiasm in 2000 it. > -- 2008. >> the things that inspired them in 2008 are completely gone. it will be a miracle if they turned out like then. >> every young person i knew was canvassing. i don't know anybody who is doing that now. >> youth is the ultimate dissolution of " over experience -- distillation of hope over experience. i think the lighting is back in the bottle. >> if you listen to to the treasury secretary this week, the benefits are not going to be there for them. >> i now it is jobs. for college person graduating, it is pretty tough. >> the kids who are fought over are the ones with certain skills that are needed. they are not majoring in english literature. i was talking to an electrician the other da

is it going to rise to the level of some of the other iconic moments one things of michael dukakis inhe tank, telegraphs something about a candidate and resonates with voters, though it starts out as a silly moment? >> i think that's the hope of democrats, right? i think they're hoping that it sort of portrays mitt romney in a specific way and a lot of people who hear the story say, really? on the other hand i think this is the worst the democrats and come up with about mitt romney, it won't be the only thing, but in terms of his personal life, this is not so bad. he's sun who is seen as a good father, a good husband. while this is sort of an eyebrow raising story -- and i think it's iconic in the sense, gail collins has done her best to make sure people know about it, and a lot of people do -- i don't think it's going to be michael dukakis in the tank but i think it's going to be used to try to el straigillustrate some about mitt romney. >> ann romney asked about her husband's campaign. >> i think that in terms of ann romney, she has been seen for a very long time, and i think for go

if you look at the republican lineup -- [laughter] it is like michael dukakis in an oversized tank hat. >> the idea that newt gingrich is now at the top of the heap. >> you do not want to be the top because they get shot out. >> it is seems like anybody but romney. >> herman cain is a breath of fresh air. [laughter] >> i am not going to reassess him as he reassesses his campaign. >> herman cain is fabulous. >> newt gingrich -- i am going to get serious on you. newt gingrich is an error lobbyist -- uber lobbyist. barney frank talk about michele bachmann. he also called out newt gingrich and said he held him responsible for the demonization of opponents that has contributed to the atmosphere we live in today. i do think he came into the house. he slashed all of the caucasus and civility. we are seeing this. this is a man who a few days ago talked about education reform in the context of firing the janitors in schools and putting the kids to work. a lot of the media called that unconventional. [laughter] let's repeal child labor ls

certainly, he's very close philosopheically to michaeldi dukakis, jimmy carter -- dukakis, never electedcart her his own problems. obama because of the maimplts in the first two years in particular, was able to ram through the new start arms control, through the senate, very detrimental to american national security, the budget cuts because of the horrendous sequestration deal cut on the hill, are going to have dramatically negative effects on our military capabilities all around the world. i think in a second term, obama's multi-laterallism, his affinity for international law and organizations will really come to the fore. i think he has been constrained in the first term because of the fear of the political consequences. i think it's katie bar the door in the second term. >> liz: have you done important work on the damage that this president has done to american sovereignty. i think that's something that people don't focus on or understand, but it's very real, as he continues to embrace international organizations that don't put america first. >> the u.s. sums up sovereignty very well

they're trying to say, barack obama is hopelessly in over his head, he's mike dukakis in the tank when it comes to domestic politics. obama has to answer that. i thought tonight he did a pretty darn good job of it. >> karen, let's listen to more of what president obama said tonight talking to people in his audience about giving them a realistic kind of frame for how much progress he was capable of making in his first term and how much time he needs to make progress. let's listen to this. >> i know the last 3.5 years, 4 years have been tough. i know there are times where we think change isn't happening as fast as we'd like. remember what we said during the last campaign. i said this was going to be hard. change takes time. sometimes it takes more than a year, more than a single term. >> karen, it sound like he's finding the language to rechallenge his audience to get the strength up to go at this again, that there's more to do and it takes longer than four years. >> right. that's why you hear people talking about it took us eight years to get into the mess, it will take more than 3.5 ye

he understands -- is that fair to michael dukakis? no, it wasn't fair, but sometimes images set in, and they're in cement, and that's the way the game is played every four years. and he'll be a better player because of that. >> it's a gutting, ruinous process often on families as well. >> that, too. >> it's very difficult. in the end, the delegate math was against rick santorum. and after his young daughter, bella, was recently hospitalized, santorum said the decision to leave the race is best for his family. # his announcement came two weeks ahead of the pennsylvania primary where tightening poll numbers suggested his home state was in jeopardy. >> ladies and gentlemen, we made a decision to get into this race at our kitchen table and against all the odds. and we made a decision over the weekend that while this presidential race for us is over for me, and we will suspend our campaign effective today, we are not done fighting. we are going to continue to fight for those voices. we're going to continue to fight for the americans who st

john kerry, bill clinton, and michael dukakis. he believes the republican challenger is in good position. >> mitt romney has gained the nomination, and as the race tightens, i think that his supporters will rally around and i think he will have plenty of money. >> the supertax supporting president barack obama is off to a slow start with just $5 million in the bank. but the barack obama campaign is in good shape after the president attended a hundred and 23 fund-raisers, they have $104 million. 10 * the mitt romney cash on hand. is the money is roughly even, does it matter how much they spend? >> i think there is a point of diminishing returns by the beginning of november 1st election day comes everyone will be so sick and tired of all these negative ads. >> already there are projections of $1 billion overall could be spent on behalf of each candidate. anthony mason, cbs news new york. >> it is the worst off of birds in northern california wildlife refuge in a decade and the u.s. fish and wildlife service knows what is to blame. a

any person who has any breath of memory will remember when it is that dukakis ran for president, that the linchpin to his demise and failure was, in fact, raising up the portrait of criminality was a black man. you don't even have to go too many days further than that, when a distraught woman in south carolina claimed that her children were, in fact, kidnapped but she, in fact, killed her own children, was racial profiling. you remember when it is that "time" magazine darkened the hue of o.j. simpson so he would look for criminal in his intent, causing the publishers and the editors having to apologize for making o.j. seem darker to make him give a more criminal tint to his extinction of his own wife. ladies and gentlemen, we stand today in 2012 and my heart is asunder, knowing that 49 years ago this very day, martin luther king jr. wrote a letter from a birmingham jail. only this day, that 17th of april, he had to raise the question, why are we here, we're here because injustice is here. and 49 years later, we come into this room in this senate building, muslim, jew, catholics, they

was finance chairman for three democratic presidential nominees, john kerry, bill clt, and michael dukakis. he believes the republican challenger is in good position. >> romney has gained the nomination, and as the race tightens, i think his supporters will really around, and i think he'll have plenty of money glaits superpac supporting president obama is off to a slow start, with just $5 million in the bank. but the obama campaign is in good shape. after the president attended a 123 fund raisers it has $104 million. if the money is roughly even, does it matter how much they spend? >> i think there's a point of diminishing returns. by the beginning of november, when election day comes, everybody is going to be so sick and tired of all these negative ads. >> mason: already, there are projectionprojections that $1 bn overall could be spent on behalf of each candidate. the utah republican state convention today forced six-term u.s. senator orrin hatch into a primary fight against former state senator dan liljenquist. hatch faced strong opposition from tea party activists, and fell just a few

remember mike dukakis and of course you do and happy about these guys. audrey saylor inn inaudible) >> we have a question. how has the national debt personally affected your lives. >> i did vote for it before i voted it >> we'll go to south dakota and washington and michigan and then we'll go to washington d.c. and take back the white house. yeah. >> i would do away with education and -- commence and let's see. i will look at it and then we'll respond. >> joe, let me start with you. this is it a major moment. the president i think is damaged by this particular gaffe. it is not a campaign goof on the trail and this is a policy issue. he said i will keep something from the american people and i am absolutely going to get reelected. problem for him in november? >> it will be. mitt romney or the republican nominee will see this tape over and over again. and i thinklet reality is, he's telling the truth. why would you want to do a treaty or anything like that right now when it would turn in a political football as the gaffe or statement is. >> mike: he's not

there is politicsow at the boomfit nd on tamanngid mein-dep reseachnta lk a tis sthawe p ren b bush/dukakissh. and then we could go on to the races '96, 2000. and when we went through them, the consensus was that in every case, the person you'd rather sit down and have a beer with was the person who won. are we underestimating that sort of niceness, coolness relate ability factor? >> i like the phrase the brew factor. and, yes, it does matter. but what also matters is what's indehebottle. and so if i don ke the bee i'morhe gog ry ai ansoutoure gh ckindo maer eayesge e rled ds at reagan, someone who you'd really love to have a beer with to do just that job. and so substance does matter, but the label, the packaging also matters. and i think the president certainly plays well into that. as for mitt romney, he'll have a harder time. i mean, this guy was a suit before he got his first suit. he's ery, very sort o tighy un anyogo t nd ifhe in brtll d ha'sog be prlefom >>tcmney's folks. if you get to know him will, he's hilarious. it's an acknowledgement of a problem. >> and let's all face it, the

shots but >> bob farmer was finance chairman for three nominees, john kerry bill clinton and michael dukakiselieves the republican challenger is in good position >> romney has gained the nomination and as the race tightens i think his supporters will rally round and will have plenty of money >> to super pak is off to a slow start for president obama with $5 million in the bank the obama campaign is in good shape after the president attended fund- raisers with $104 million, 10 times from the cash on hand. if the money is roughly even, does it matter how much they spend? >> i think there is a point of diminishing returns by november 1st election day comes. everybody will be so sick and tired. already there are predictions that $1 billion overall would be spent on behalf of each candidate. >> the worst scandal to hit the secret service in decades. and what went wrong in colombia head of the president's trip on face the nation at 8:30 a.m.. meanwhile, big headlines around the bay, an ethics commission and hearing starts tomorrow for ross mirkarimi. mayor ed lee wants him out of office permanentl

carried pennsylvania 24 years ago when george hw bush beat dukakis.he id law requires voters to show photo id at the polls. and letting those coming to cast ballots know about the change. >> democrats nationwide argued this disenfranchised foreign minority voters. and it's unclear what impact the new law will have here in pennsylvania. registered democrats 50-37% in philadelphia fox news. >> mitt romney won pennsylvania and four other states tonight. we're starting to hear broad themes of the general election. >> we need to send a message to folks to don't seem to get this. that you know that is not an education plan. you're on your own. that is not an economic plan. we can't just cut our way to prosperity. >> this president putting us on a path where our lives will be ruled by bureaucrats and boards, commissions and czars and asking us to accept washington knows best and to provide all. we've seen that where that path lead. it erodes freedom and hurts the very people it's supposed to help. >> let's breng in our special panel tonight. brit human and j

carried pennsylvania 24 years ago when george hw bush beat dukakis.he id law requires voters to show photo id at the polls. and letting those coming to cast ballots know about the change. >> democrats nationwide argued this disenfranchised foreign minority voters. and it's unclear what impact the new law will have here in pennsylvania. registered democrats 50-37% in philadelphia fox news. >> mitt romney won pennsylvania and four other states tonight. we're starting to hear broad themes of the general election. >> we need to send a message to folks to don't seem to get this. that you know that is not an education plan. you're on your own. that is not an economic plan. we can't just cut our way to prosperity. >> this president putting us on a path where our lives will be ruled by bureaucrats and boards, commissions and czars and asking us to accept washington knows best and to provide all. we've seen that where that path lead. it erodes freedom and hurts the very people it's supposed to help. >> let's breng in our special panel tonight. brit human and j

carried pennsylvania 24 years ago when george hw bush beat dukakis.the id law requires voters to show photo id at the polls. and letting those coming to cast ballots know about the change. >> democrats nationwide argued this disenfranchised foreign minority voters. and it's unclear what impact the new law will have here in pennsylvania. registered democrats 50-37% in philadelphia fox news. >> mitt romney won pennsylvania and four other states tonight. we're starting to hear broad themes of the general election. >> we need to send a message to folks to don't seem to get this. that you know that is not an education plan. you're on your own. that is not an economic plan. we can't just cut our way to prosperity. >> this president putting us on a path where our lives will be ruled by bureaucrats and boards, commissions and czars and asking us to accept washington knows best and to provide all. we've seen that where that path lead. it erodes freedom and hurts the very people it's supposed to help. >> let's breng in our special panel tonight. brit human and

remember mike dukakis? remember this? of course you do. and then, how about these guys? .y saylor (inaudibl (inaudible) >> there you go, all right. >> we have a question right here, how has the national debt personally affected each of their lives. >> i voted for them. and before i voted against it. they're going to south dakota and oregon and washington and michigan, and then we are going to washington d.c. to take back the house, ahhh! >> the third agency of government i would do away with the education, away with-- commerce and let's see-- i can't, the third one, i can't, sorry... oops. >> mike: oh, boy, i'm so glad i never had a gaffe on the campaign trail and that fox would not dare show one on my own show. how does the campaign deal with damage control after there is a mess from the mouth? let's ask ann marie, the former communication doctor. and fox news contributor, howard dean's 2004 campaign manager. >> all right, joe, you know, we had to throw that howard in there. truthfully. we've had them where we say something because we're tired and have the moments and som

the dukakis' rapid-response room had a ticker. no idea of an internet. msnbc, fox, nothing.is all brand new. >> i agree. george you would hand me my talking points and i was supposed to read off of them and some days i didn't read the script. perhaps this is setting a narrative for the fall. during the summer months, the campaigns must pivot. they have to rebuild their infrastructure and how they reintroduce themselves to the independen independents. and for mitt romney, i'm sure the reason they reacted so quickly to bring up the dog meat episode, i grew up in louisiana, my mother tell us, think about the recipe, was bit of advice that i didn't follow from my mother. i have been known who could cook that thing. so, mitt romney has to be concerned about this because it might be into the narrative that he's not like us. he went to the cookie shop and said, did you bake those cookies? most politicians start talking and not what's in them. president obama has to be careful, too, when the campaign or whoever raises these things in a social media campaign. >> part of the reason th

dukakis in the tank, mitt romney wind surfing, gerald ford stum plink down the steps -- >> john kerry. >> yeah. and in mitt romney's case, he cannot shake the image of the guy who put the dog on the roof of his car. >> and ann romney dwebded it saying the dog had only gotten secretary because it had eaten something bad but but the fact is then the romney camp tweeted out a picture of the president with bo in response to david axelrod showing the president and his loving dog and suggested that because the president in dream of my father wrote about eating dog meat in indonesia, that that somehow reflected badly on the president. >> yeah, he implied that the president was only nice to bo because he was fattening help up for a midnight snack. >> the president was writing about getting to indonesia and discovering that they ate things like dog, snakes, and grass ame lot of dogs. >> but this does talk about the quality of the debate. we're not talking about budget deficits and the need for tax reform. >> maybe part of us would rather not deal with problems we think are almost impossible to

any person who has any breadth of memory will remember that when dukakis ran for president that the linchpin to his demise and fair was raising a portrait of criminality with a black man. you don't have to go to many days for them that when a distraught woman in south carolina claimed that her children were in fact kidnapped but she, in fact, killed her own children was racial profiling. you remember when "time magazine" a dark and the view of o.j. simpson so he would look more criminal and his attend causing the publishers and editors to apologize for making o.j. seemed darker to give a more criminal intent to his distinction of his own wife. let we stand today in 2012 and my heart is a thunder knowing that 49 years ago this very day, martin luther king jr. wrote a letter from a birmingham jail. on this day, the 17th of april, he raised the question why we are here. we are here because in justice is here. 49 years later, we come into this room and this senate building, muslim, jews, protestants, catholics, african- americans, latinos, asians and want to know why we are here with visitor bad