and e. jean carroll has entered a contribution that will live in history and will be of incredible value to every historian who's looking at donald trump 50 years from now, 150, 100 years from now and beyond. >> yeah, and it's important for us to know her as a human being and to know her story and to know not just how this fits into donald trump's life, but how this fits into her life. because one of the things we do when we learn history and we tell each other stories about citizenship and our country is we are giving one another models for what it means to stand up, what it means to be brave, what it means to do the right thing, even when it is hard, even when it's against unbelievable odds. and to know her story from her perspective about how this happened in her life in her eighth decade is something that i think is important in terms of us understanding the kind of bravery, the kind of guts, and the kinds of capital c citizenship that she and her lawyers have demonstrated here. it's importan

we will see e. jeanroll leave behind me when they do exit the courtroom, and we will also see donald trump's legal team exit as we have been discussing, he wasn't here for the verdict. but we have another colleague inside the room and we will get some more color reaction of what it was like -- it was like inside the courtroom, but the judge when he was excusing the jury, it is an anonymous jury, they are driven to a drop off and pick up point every day and then they go to their homes and the judge set it up pacifically in the case like the last one because of the concern for their safety. the whole case has been about defamation and attacks on i ching carol -- e. jean carroll . they said he could speak publicly about it if they wanted, they can't reveal the identity of any jurors, his advice to them was never discussed that you were on this jury and don't talk about it at all, he is advising them to stay quiet given the sensitivity of this which was on display throughout this relatively short trial. we a

e. jean carroll testified that she deleted some of the death threats that she received. attorney hala, your honor, at this moment i feel i have to ask for a mistrial. the witness has just admitted to deleting evidence herself, which are part of her claim of damages. and i haven't seen them. she has no evidence of them. she hasn't turned them over. the judge, denied. the jury had already seen plenty of death threats thid no. attorney habba insisted that e. jean carroll was not suffering because of donald trump's attacks on her and that in fact she enjoys the attention. question, at some level you enjoy this attention? answer, no. e. jean carroll's attorney objects to that question, and then the judge overruled the objection, and then e. jean carroll says this is not the kind of attention that i enjoy. question, then why ms. carroll, were you publicizing the lawsuits yourself? answer, because once i spoke up -- e. jean carroll continue speaking over her own attorneys objection, i want people to

the final day of e. jean carroll versus donald trump with closing arguments focused on a high-stakes question. what is the price to pay for using one of the world's most powerful megaphones to defame someone. first up her attorney addressed the factor looming over the trial, that is, trump's continued attacks on e. jean carroll. she pointed out trump spent the entire trial continuing to engage in defamation, trump dramatically stormed out of the courtroom. the judge noted the incident and kaplan continued. cnn repts that she said, quote, the case is also about punishing donald trump for what he has done and what he continues to do. shd trump tries to, quote, normalize conduct that could hardly be more abnormal. she went on to say, quote, typically when someone is found liable for defamaon, they stop making those statemeven if they don't like t jury's verdict, even if you d't like the jury's decision you follow it. those are the this trial is also about something much more profound. the rules that apply to eve

nancy, trump's lawyers argued that e. jean carroll relished the attention, that her career flourished after making this allegation. what message is the jury sending with this verdict today? >> i think they're sending the message stop attacking the victim. the victim didn't have to hideout -- i mean ms. habba seemed to be arguing that ms. carroll was supposed to go hide and not have any presence after being a public figure, someone people relied on for advice and a writer, an important writer for women. so habba was intimating that she should go hideout, she should be very quiet and sit in a dark room and be silenced. and scienciilencing women is tht of misogynists and sexists who don't want women to live in a safe world where we're believed and where assaulters, harassers, and rapists go unpunished. i think it's a really important message. it's also important to see ms. habba attack one of the foundations of our democracy which is the jury system. you know who doesn't have juries? iran and egypt and china. it's in our declarat

e. jean carroll said, well, public e. jean is the cheerleader, the buoyant indestructible old lady who advises people on how to be happy and who just knows everything and is always a best friend and she will cheer you on. when i'm out in public my friends, that's who i am. there is the private e. jean who is quiet, she feels sometimes pain. i like the private e. jean. she and i are becoming better and better acquainted. and andrew weissmann, i certainly known the public e. jean for many, many years. i matter in my early days in new york. i've known her ever since and her description of the public e. jean as the person i know from dinners being friendly and cheerful all the time, and they're trying to use, the defense or is trying to use the public e. jean carroll against her, to say she just loves the attention. >> i think it's worth stepping back to understand the phase of the trial we are in. it has been adjudicated at a trial that she is the victim of sexual assault committed by the former president of the united states

e. jean carroll said, public e. jean is the cheerleader, the buoyant, indestructible old lady who, ais people on how to be happy, and who knows everything, and as always your best fen and will cheer you on. when i'm in public, or with my friends, that is who i am. there is the private e. jean who is, quiet. sometimes, she feels pain. i like in the private e. jean. she and i are becoming better, and better acquainted. andrew, certainly, i have known the public e. jean for many years. met her in my early days in new york. i've known her ever since. her description of the public e. jean is the person i know from dinners, being friendly, cheerful, all of that. they are trying to use, the defense, the public e. jean against her. to try to say, she just loves the attention. we >> i think it is worth stepping back to understand the phase of the trial we are in. it has been adjudicated at a trial that she is the victim of sexual assault, committed by the former president of the united states. this is not a judicial finding,

e. jean is on the stand and lisa rubin will join the program. we will begin with e. jean carroll's testimony so far. today she told the jury one of the most powerful men on the planet assaulted her, lied about it and ruined her reputation. to have the president of the united states, one of the most powerful persons on earth call me a liar for if three days, 26 times, i counted them, ended the world i was living in. hateful messages popped up on facebook, hundreds a day and some using the very same words trump used to defame her, carroll said. all of it hd because trump lied about her. quote, he said i made up an accusation to sell a book. is a lie. she said i made up the accusation for publicity's sake. that is a lie. he said my accusation damaged the real victims of sexual sault, that is a lie. he said pple like me who make false accusations are very dangerous and on very dangerous territory, that i shouldn't have done it for the sake of publicity. that is also a lie. her attorney asked her,

how familiar they were with e. jean carroll. how familiar they were with the former president of the united states, if they had an opinion on it. the folks that were more deliberate about their answers, i get my news from msnbc, from "new york times," "washington post," i'm very invested, this is who i voted for. those were the folks that were, for the most part, excused from this jury pool. the folks that were more vague were the folks that remained within this jury makeup. some folks saying they hadn't been invested in the news in the last year plus. i think that's important when we think about the deliberations this jury will have to go through and making this decision, and why it is these attorneys wanted this jury to be making this decision as well, and so we'll just have to wait. tomorrow, we could have an answer on this, chris tomorrow afternoon, and by the way, i keep saying this, but i think it's important, as we talk about the money factor theory, e. jean carroll looking for $10 million in damages and who knows how muc

as bad as what he did to e. jean in the sexual assault and as horrifying as the defamation was in 2019, the most amazing shocking part of it all is he kept on doing it. he kept doing it during the trial. what other person think they can openly break the law over and over again? donald trump. >> the punitive damages were higher , i don't know if they were higher than you anticipated. >> we were very happy with the punitive damages awarded. >> why do you think they were so high, because of his behavior? >> the lot punitive damages, the jury is allowed to and should consider what it will take, what monetary amount it will take to get the person to stop. >> the idea for the jury was it will take a big number to get this guy to stop. >> exactly. all he understands his money so you should reward an amount of money that will make him stop. whether that will succeed, i don't know. i hope it will. >> if he continues to defame her, will there be more, potential there's another case? >> i'm too good of a lawyer to tell you that

e. jean carroll's attorney, roberta kaplan, said in her closing statement, which we now have the transcript of, she said under closing statement today the don trump continues to verbally attack e. jean carroll to this day, and she asked the jury, quote, given donald trump's insistence on continuing to defame miss carroll, and given his immense wealth, how much will it take to make him stop? we actually have the opportunity, maybe even the responsibility, to put an end to this. what you should do, ladies and gentlemen, is make him pay for what he has done the e. jean carroll, in fact borrowing the same words, the very same words the donald trump used to attack e. jean carroll back in june

and as bad as what he did to e. jean carroll was and the sexual assault was terrible and as horrifying as the defamation was back in 2019 the most amazing shocking part of it all is he kept on doing it, and he kept on doing it even during the trial. what other person thinks they can openly break the law over and over again? donald trump. >> the punitive damages were higher than -- i don't know if they were higher than you anticipated. were they? >> we were very happy with the punitive damages award. >> why do you think they were so high? >> under the law of punitive damages the jury should consider what monetary amount it will take to get the person to stop. >> that -- so the idea the jury was it's going to take a big number to get this guy to stop. >> exactly. all he really understand is money and so you should award an amount of munthy that should make him stop. whether that will succeed, i don't know. i hope it does. >> if he continues to defame her will there be -- is there a potential there's another case? >> i'm to

later with the jury out of the courtroom, e. jean carroll's co-counsel sean crowley told judge lewis kaplan, quote, the defendant has been making statements that again we can be here at the council table. some of the jurors are sending closer to him than we are. he said it is a witch hunt, it really is a con job. and when you play the last video, he said, it's true. that was a video of donald trump lying about e. jean carroll. judge caplan said mr. trump has the right to present here. that right can be forfeited, and it can be forfeited if he's disruptive. and the judge, speaking directly to defended trump said, mr. trump, i hope i don't he to consider excluding you from the trial or at least from the esence. i understand you are probably

e. jean carroll. the unanimous verdict, donald trump is on the hook for just over $83 million in damages. $83.3 million to be exact. it took just less than three hours of deliberation by the jury to come to that verdict. which includes $11 million for damages to her reputation. $7.3 million for emotional harm and other damages, and a whopping $65 million in punitive damages. it's a huge increase from the $5 million verdict a separate jury awarded carroll last year after finding trump liable for sexually assaulting and defaming her. now, this is the part where if you have kiddos in the room, you might want to cover their ears because i think it's important to remind you that mr. carroll's case goes back to the 1990s. and she accused trump of doing exactly what he said on that infamous "access hollywood" tape where he said when you're a star, they let you grab women by the -- you remember the rest. ms. carroll told a jury that he did exactly that to her, forcibly putting his tiny fingers into h

that is really the only recourse that e. jean carroll would have but who knows if $80 million will teach him a lesson or not. >> two notes on what donald trump said, quoting him when he claims she is not my type, of course social sought is not about type it's about abusive behavior and power, but beyond that, one of the weaknesses in donald trump's defense if you can call that during the first trial was, while he did testify, he did sit for a deposition and during the deposition he was shown a pitcher of e. jean carroll in the 1990s, when this event happened, and he thought it was a pitcher of his wife at the time , marla maples. so in terms of the not my type thing, irrelevant to rape, sexual assault and sexual abuse but beyond that, he actually missed took the plaintiff in this case for the woman that he cheated on his first wife with and became his second wife, which i imagine when the jury saw that at the time, must have had some sort of impact? >> it had to have, and remember in this case that is just included, they saw that

e. jean carroll 83 point $3 million, approximately one trump park avenue, for defaming her. breaking that number down a little bit more, the jury awarded e. jean carroll 18 point $3 million to compensate her for the harm trump's lies caused her. they awarded her another $65 million in punitive damages to, well, punish donald trump, to deter him from defaming e. jean carroll ever again. we will have more on that in just a moment. a nine member jury took just two hours and 45 minutes to reach its verdict after hearing final arguments from trump, and carroll's lawyers. mr. trump himself spent the final day of the trial causing disruption. and when ms. carroll's lawyers were given closing arguments, he stood up and walked out of the room, at which point the judge interrupted ms. carroll's lawyers and order that the official record reflect donald trump's abrupt exit. at one point the judge had to caution trump's attorney, elena habba, that she was on the verge of spending some time in lock-up for

again, e. jeanroll seeking $10 million in damages, and who knows how much more for punitive damages as well. >> okay, so vaughn, trump coming there fresh off his win in new hampshire. he's in full campaign mode. he's been raging on e. jean carroll, raging on the judge overnight, he can't do that in the courtroom in front of this jury, why does he want to testify. >> donald trump thinks he is his own best defense. not only when it comes to the defense of his business, his political and campaign defense, but also his legal defense. you'll recall that last year in the first defamation case against him from e. jean carroll, he did not attend those proceedings, and he did not testify, and ultimately it was ruled that he had sexually abused e. jean carroll, and he defamed her and owed millions of dollars in damages. this go-around, donald trump wanted to be there and he made it clear he would like to testify. what you saw overnight was, again, a string of more than 40 social media posts undercutting the r

e. jean carroll for repeating defaming her after she accused him of sexual assault. the jury spent four days hearing about what donald trump did, and witnessing his ongoing contempt towards but the proceedings in front of them, and e. jean carroll with their own eyes. carols attorneys had asked the jurors to reach a verdict that would stop them from further defaming the woman that he has been defaming and harassing for the last five years. today, after deliberating for less than three hours, the jury came through. they awarded carroll $73 million in emotional damages, $11 million in reputational damages, and a whopping $65 million in punitive damages, which is there essentially to stop him from what he has been doing. such a shocking and divisive verdict against the ex president. even fox news cover the decision realtime, breaking the coverage complete with images of a triumphant carroll leading the courtroom with her lawyers. trump, for his part, who had been trying to dry attention to himse

e. jean carroll defamation case. how much will they find donald trump owes carroll for continuing to attack her, and continue to go deny what a court of law has already established that he sexually assaulted her. msnbc legal analyst, lisa rubin just stepped out of the courtroom for the first time today to let us know what it was like inside. so, lisa, tell us. >> reporter: i listened to both sides' closing arguments and then the rebuttal of e. jean carroll's lawyers this morning, and then i listened to judge lou kaplan instruct the jury on the law as well as the legal process and the rules that they are required to follow as they deliberate. i think one of the things that was most interesting this morning is the emergence of big themes that are much bigger than e. jean carroll and donald trump alone. what you heard from e. jean carol's lawyers is this isn't a case just about defamation by donald trump against our client e. jean carroll. this is a case about the rule of law and who is bound by

e. jean carroll. a c? plus fighting intensifies in gaza. you'll hear from an american doctor who has just returned from the area. why he calls this conflict and what he saw on the ground the worst he's ever seen. >>> and new tonight a border shutdown. cnn learning a key group of senators have now agreed to close the southern border if m specific number. let's go out front. >>> good evening. i'm erika hill in for erin burnett. out front tonight, breaking news. $83.3 million. that is what a jury says donald trump must pay e. jean carroll for defaming her while he was president. this is the woman of course trump was found liable for sexually abusing. $83.3 million is a massive number. there's no way getting around that. it was agreed upon after nearly three hours of deliberations. here's how that number breaks down. 7.3 million for emotional harm, $11 million for damaging carroll's reputation. the bulk of that money, though, as you see some $65 million is in punitive damages. that's money intend

so e. jeanfiled another lawsuit in november of 2022, suing him both for the underlying sexual assault in his defamation in october of 2022. that case was filed november, on thanksgiving day, or the day after, of 2022, and went to trial last may. >> this one comes back around. he is no longer president. whatever civil immunity he may have had is gone. side note, you can understand why a person answered had an 83 million dollar judgment, would love to be president again, with the cloak of legal protection that gave him in the past. just a note. ultimately, what is the lesson here, though, about accountability? >> i hope and i believe very strongly after today that the lesson is that actually no one is above the law. and that your behavior and your statements and your threats and your lies are going to catch up to your sunday. >> i have to say, i haven't had an opportunity to meet your client, but i'm completely in awe of her fortitude and insurance, and ecstatic on her behalf. but i think she woul

i think what we'll see is e. jean carroll's trying to bolster the compensation measure of damages in order to also convince the jury that a punitive damages award and the tens of millions of dollars is also worth their while for a total verdict that exceeds $100 million. if i'm a betting person, that's what i think they're trying to get here. >> when you watch the joorts, and -- jurors, and watch the reaction, can you tell me what that was like, what you were able to glean if anything, especially when donald trump's defense attorneys brought in carol martin, and tried to get her to say that e. jean carroll was enjoying the attention. from the reading of the transcript, it seemed like she kind of admitted that she was? >> reporter: carol martin will admit she said the things she said. she also acknowledged that in texts she could be a little bit hyperbolic, and unlike e. jean carroll, she was dealing with her own fear of what could happen to her and her family. carol martin's grown daughter was concerned folks were goi

e. jeanarroll says donald trump shattered her reputation as we are learning the former president is reacting physically and verbally to her testimony. new details from inside the courtroom. >>> hitting nikki haley with her birth name, a strange attack by the former president with racist dog whistles he is used against other opponents with a critical new hampshire primary and a big step towards the republican nomination just days away. >>> the standoff intensifies between the federal government and taxes over a strip of land along the mexican border one group is calling for people across the country to help stop the "invasion." we are following these major developers were and many more right here on cnn news central . ♪ >>> thank you for joining us. we are in the nations capital. right now, the woman accusing donald trump of sexual abuse and defamation is testified in front of the former president, e. jean carroll has offered dramatic testimony in federal court, saying, "i am here because i wa

and e. jean carroll's attorneys brought this up multiple times saying and i quote, at one point, donald trump has said on the record he can pay $1 million every day for the next decade and he will still have money in the bank. and so the decision here for the jury going into these deliberations is we go back to that question that you posed at the top of the show, right, chris? how much are they going to have to offer here to make him stop and also to make up for those compensatory damages that she's asking for, $10 million for e. jean carroll. now it's just a wait and see game. >> yeah, renato, she's absolutely right. that was their argument, for example, as trump's team was objecting to proposed damages, carroll's lawyer pointed to trump's claim that mar-a-lago alone is worth $1.5 billion, and they continued from where yasmin left off saying this is a man who defamed and continues to defame, a man who has time and time again shown contempt for the rule of law, thinks they don't apply to him. he

e. jeanit ran for more than a quarter of a century. it's one of the longest running advice columns in the history of american publishing. that column was so popular, it gave way to a daily television show by the same name which aired on the predecessor to this very tv network. she was asked to appear as a contributor to the big mega talk shows, like that today show, and good morning america, and oprah. at one point, she was even hired as a writer for snl, saturday night live, that pit stop at snl earned her an emmy nomination. that cell phone game that i mentioned at the top, the breakout cell phone game, it wasn't her only business venture outside journalism. in the early 2000s, she started a successful matchmaking service. she also started a dating website. the latter was sold for six figures. she's also written five books over the course of her career. it's a body of work that spans decades. she has had that kind of career in publishing that a lot of young woman in journalism dream of havi

and e. jeanll as been very clear about this, particularly in going on his campaign and saying what is this about. is this about accountability and it's about controlling the narrative. so even as trump's silent at the hands of the advice of his lawyers, e. jean carroll is not. and she's using this as an opportunity, i think, to fight back. >> you know, it's fastening to think about, jennifer, the idea of automating one's message, like needing to keep your hands clean from here on out because you've -- done the groundwork. now, your minions can do everything else for you. i'm really curious though as to why we have not heard from the courts on the other cases. circuit court, on the immunity issue in particular, the supreme court is going to have oral arguments coming up. in fact, justice sotomayor was speaking today about her frustrations on the court more broadly. listen to this. >> change happens because people care about moving the arc of the universe towards justice. and it can take time. and

e. jeanroll trial gets underway once again. >>> and the other major question, if he does take the stand, can he stay within the parameters set by the judge and what are the consequences if he doesn't? we're live at the courthouse. >>> plus, nikki haley sending a message to trump that sounds a lot like you don't scare me. her new fund-raising hall that has him threatening her donors and has given her new energy. >> the political elites in this state and around the country have said that we just need to let donald trump have this. we are not going to sit there and just give up. . >>> and the severe weather that just won't stop. among the dramatic new images, this woman, how she got stranded on top of her car for 14 long hours before she was rescued. >>> we begin with donald trump off the campaign trail and back in a federal courthouse today. e. jean carroll's lawyers have rested their case and trump's team just started the defense in a trial to determine if he has toay the writer millions of do

we talk about e. jeanng to learn more about nikki haley in a few weeks. he's signaling, as many dictators have in the past, that this is what it's going to look like under me. i'm going to go after everybody who was a critic, who was legitimate opposition, who was a journalist. is that sinking in with the electorate? >> i want to go back to david's point about trump winning the iowa caucuses. he did, but it's important we talk about turnout. because it was 110,000 people turned out yesterday. it was cold, but if you compare that to 2016, it was 187,000. this base is shrinking. so yes, he is very scary. the stuff he says is scary. the stuff he's doing where he refers to people as vermin, i don't want to go to gitmo. it's scary having a president talking about that. if if you look at these numbers, 70,000, 77,000 less people are going to caucus for him. this is a guy who needs to turn out voters. he won by turning out voters. so i have to wonder, yes, he won in iowa, but he really won with much smaller turno

e. jean carroll in punitive damages, just like yesterday, the courtroom was wild again today, judge kaplan, again, admonished alina habba for arguing with his rulings, this time telling her, quote, you are on the verge of spending some time in lockdown. now sit down. then after the jury was brought in and e. jean carroll's lawyer was in the middle of her closing statements, donald trump abruptly stood up and walked out of the court according to our reporters in the room. that's when the judge said, quote, the record will reflect that mr. trump rose and walked out of the courtroom, said the judge. what did carroll's lawyers say that got under his skin and how will they react. they have seen a week of donald trump grumbling under his breath, interrupting proceedings, defying the judge and storming out. does his behavior help or hurt him? and if it hurts, what's the point. joining us outside the courthouse is msnbc legal analyst, lisa rubin. they have had the case now for about an hour. what can

writer e. jeandeclaring victory after a jury ordered former president, donald, trump to pay her more than $83 million in damages for repeatedly defaming her. and now trump's sole remaining primary opponent is speaking out, nbc news senior legal correspondent has the latest. >> another victory for, writer e. jean carroll. a long running defamation battle against donald trump. the former president now facing a staggering $83 million in damages. carol saying in a statement, this is a great victory for every woman who stands up when she's been knocked down, and a huge defeat for everybody who is -- trying to drag a woman down. they appealed the verdict -- [inaudible] his attorney, blasting the judge, saying the deck was stacked against her client from the beginning. >> [inaudible] the judge decided that every single defense president trump had we were not allowed to raise in front of the jury. >> carol -- orders, she was a liar. [inaudible] >> it's terrible, it was a total -- anything about her. >> it i

e. jeane woman who sued him and won for defamatory comments that he made about her assault allegations. cnn's kara scannell is outside of the courthouse right now. bring us up to speed, kara. >> so john, both e. jean carroll and donald trump are in the same courtroom and it is the first time they have seen each other in decades since the assault took place. and so e. jean carroll is at a table where she is surrounded by her lawyers and a second table behind her and donald trump is behind her, so he is about a table apart from e. jean carroll and so far she has not turned around to look at him when he walked into the courtroom. and the judge is laying out how this is going to play out, and there is nine jurors to hear this. and he has given a warning to carroll and trump not to say anything within earshot of the jurors and say anything to communicate directly or indirectly in front of a witness. and now, if he has said anything while campaigning and this is a shot across the bow for trump and

e. jean carroll $83.3 million for defamation. their courtroom victory sends a message to other women who have been victimized by powerful men. >> she is overjoyed. she cried. she showed more emotion. i've known her for a long time. than i've ever seen her show. she feels she got justice from the jury today, from the court. and she feels she's really stood up, and she has, stood up for almost every woman who's been defamed, who's been kicked down, who's been shut up. >> now trump was not in the courtroom when that verdict was read. we have the story. >> reporter: amara, victor, a significant win for e. jean carroll. the jury deliberating for just about three hours and delivering this verdict awarding her $83.3 million. the way that they broke this down was that they said that herr emotional harm they would award carroll $7.3 million. to repair her reputation, $11 million. and for punitive damages to punish donald trump they awarded her $65 million. carroll's attorneys had argued to the jury in

e. jean carroll was back on the stand today, first under cross-examination by trump's attorney, then under redirect examination by her attorney. team trump suggested that carroll actually benef from her accusation. abc news reports the defense suggested that carroll craved attention, took on trump to revive her flagging career, and relish the verdict in an earlier trial known as carroll 2. it established trump was liable for sexually abusing and defaming her. did the verctn your opinion provide you with bigger status in new york? itvide me with -- you have continued to publicize every lawsuit you had had agait president trump. yes, carroll responded, because wanted people to know that a woman can speak up and win a trial. i wanted people to know. i'm 80. i don't want to be quiet. it's not right to make a woman be quiet. it's gone on for too long. during redirect, carroll countered that despite all the notary tie s gned, she wants nothing more than to get her life back. quote, would you prefer

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jean and a private e. jean, and the public e. was raised to be a buoyant cheerleader who is always cheering people on, knew all the answers, gave advice, and the quiet e. jean was quiet, contemplative and a person who is living with fear. she said i've gotten to know that e. jean better and i like her. >> so chris, in your case against alex jones, the jury ended up awarding your clients $1.5 billion. e. jean carroll is asking for 10 million. what do you think of that as a number? i'm always curious where these numbers come from, but going back to the question that lisa posed very early this morning, is that enough to get trump to stop doing what he's doing? >> i think it's a modest request and one that's probably aimed to increase the plaintiff's credibility before the jury. i wouldn't be surprised if the jury concludes otherwise and things that actually a punitive damages award far in excess of that is what's necessary to stop donald trump from continuing to defame her. i mean, i think what the plaintiff's team is going to want

this is obviously an effort to undermine e. jeanll's position, that all of this ruined a reputation. what do you make of the strategy? >> that is a very relevant area for the defense to capitalize, so e. jean carroll is saying that her life was severely impacted by these particular comments, the comments that are at issue in this case. the dominant adam egg phone that brought about a lot of vitriol and hatred, and her fear for her life. so any evidence that's out there, that she did not have such an extreme issue with emotional distress, or that undercuts that argument, is absolutely where the defense should be focused. this is damages only, and the whole purpose is to present evidence relating to the nature and extent of the damage is, which the jury will -- decide the value. anywhere from zero to the sky is the limit. we know what the numbers that the plaintiffs are looking for. that is absolutely very relevant, that's where the focus should be from a defense perspective, undermining any claims of actual damages incurred. >> misty

now, e. jeanll's lawyers, according to our colleagues who are in the courtroom giving us these updates, ask him a few brief questions, but then he was off the sand and the defense has rested, and the jury has been able to go home for the day. they will return tomorrow to hear closing arguments, get jury instructions, and the judge expects that they will begin deliberating by lunchtime. i just want to say, while a lot of intelligent legal binds, are debating -- will he take the stand? won't he take the sand? the one thing that everyone seem to agree on was that if you got on the stand, he likely would not be able to stick with the program and stay within the guidelines that the judge had set out. but it appears, again, just based on these realtime updates we're getting from our colleagues inside the court, that alia habba and trump did stick within the judges rules. she appeared only ask him the question she said she would and his answers appeared to stick within the boundaries of what he's allowed

and here in the e. jeanoll, damages over the defamation and sexual abuse that a jury found him liable for last year, a jury will be hearing this case this week will determine to what extent he owes damages to e. jean carroll, who has put in for up to $10 million in damages. for donald trump, somebody who has not met scrutiny from his republican rivals, when we are talking about e. jean carroll, specifically, you have not heard anything from ron desantis or nikki haley for him being found liable for sexual abuse, and his comments from the debate stage were notable, and the governor that endorsed him was -- he smirked, and he said doug struggled to gain traction because he's not a controversial figure, and in order to be a popular figure, you have to have controversial. ron desantis suggested he would protect donald trump if he chose not to turn himself into new york authorities, saying he would not extradite trump from florida. take a listen to donald trump last night on that stage talk about his victory. >>

in a statement tonight, e. jeanrroll called it a huge defeat for every bully who has tried to keep a woman down. her attorney responded with anderson cooper just moments ago. >> do you think that act of getting up and walking out hurt in terms of, or made a difference with the jury? >> i think it hurt him terribly. our whole case was about the fact that donald trump is unable to follow the law. unable to follow the rules. he thinks they don't apply to him. as bass ad it was, as bad as the defamation was in 2019, the most amazing, shocking part is that he kept on doing it. and he kept doing it even during the trial. he should be on notice if he keeps saying it, it could cost him a lot more money. >> in july 2019, it was this email that you see here that introduced e. jean carroll to that attorney, roberta kaplan. i'm putting you on this together so you can get in touch. the person who sent that email is here with me now. conservative attorney george conway. i just wonder what your reaction was as we've been watching

and roberta kaplan, e. jean carroll's lawyer, has commented that, you know, she looked at the jury compilation in that case and noted they weren't, as you said, avocado toast eating new yorkers. this was a wide swath of people, many of whom she did suspect were trump supporters who nonetheless could put that aside and obviously unanimously voted in favor of e. jean carroll. >> let me put you on the spot. this is fascinating following this jury selection and the questions that are being asked. one of the questions is where do you get your news? these are back to back, right? one person who works in westchester county, north of new york, says he recently moved to queens and gets his news from espn and tiktok. another resident who has been in manhattan for 40 years said that he reads "the wall street journal," "the new york times," and bloomberg. another says i get my news anywhere and everywhere. what are they looking for each side here? >> yeah, well, if you're roberta kaplan for e. jean carroll, you're going for

senior legal correspondent, laura jarrett, has late details. >> reporter: tonight, writer e. jean carroll smiling, a victory lap outside a manhattan courthouse after a jury awarded her a staggering $83 million in damages in her ongoing defamation battle against former president trump. the jury reaching its verdict in just three hours following a two-week trial earlier today, mr. trump abruptly leaving the courtroom during the closing argument by carroll's attorney, who accused him of engaging in defamation during the entire trial after mr. trump put out this video overnight. >> i don't even know who this woman is. i have no idea who she is, where she came from. this is another scam it's a political witch-hunt >> reporter: carroll originally sued mr. trump saying he sexually assaulted her in a department store dressing room in the '90s he said she was a liar >> it's terrible, what's going on. it's a total false accusation, and i don't know anything about her. >> reporter: in may a different jury found mr. trump had sexually abused and defamed carroll after he left office, awarding