we give the entertainment for 20,000 people and this is an event like so many events that you just heard of that add to the cultural fabric of san francisco. and once you lose them, they are gone, fortunately for us, swre been successful and we have enough to weather some of these increasing fees but, if we were to start out today, it would not be possible, i get asked by people in new york city in chicago, and in la, even in brazil how can we do a fair in our cities and the answer is i hope that you have a big budget because the way that it is here you have to come in with quite a bit of money and as the other speakers have noticed, if we could stream line the process there is a way to bring the fees down and if we can work with you as partners i think that it would greatly help us believe that what we are doing is something good for the city and recognized by you, thank you. >> and if i could ask you the same question, what do you pay? total in the city in fees. >> i think that carnival is getting off easy $5,000, tb and our tbs for plus two is over $10,000. and so our fees are up towa

while larger events can absorb the cost and uncertainty of the process, for smaller events, the cost and uncertainly can mean a difference between surviving and not surviving. these events are boosting the economic vitality of the city, and our residents, and we need to do more, to make sure that they succeed in continue to drive for the sake of our city. and we love our festival and our parades in san francisco, and we need to support them. this report will provide a starting point in guiding policy discussions in city hall and in our city departments so we don't just treat these events as problems to be managed, but rather important parts of who we are as a city. and i want to thank everyone who made this report possible particularly our city economist ted eagan as well as joselyn from the entertainment commission and the various who allowed us to circulate surveys for the event attendties which really provided the basis for the data that was collected. so mr. chairman, if or i tell you madam vice chair, if there are no other preliminary comments by members i would like to start wi

and this person could be supporting all outdoor events but particularly larger events that have significant community impact especially in the cases of halloween and saturday in the castro and there are from time-to-time, events that don't have a designated producer and therefore lack the organization that is required and many of us have also talked about another thing which is kind of a one top shop possibly an on-line portal where many of us could go and kind of ease the permitting process and many of us have to apply for five or more permits and many cases up to ten and that can become cumbersome and difficult to manage those. >> in addition, of course we want to thank the city for all of the support that they gave us through grants for the arts, and we have already been talking internally at the entertainment commission about ways to generate new money for outdoor events so we would like to explore that with you as well as legislative advances, and the breed legislation was very significant for the entertainment commission in terms of how the developing city growing and we would like to

for the base case scenario how many event for the hot case scenario for special event. >> two i think0 thousand so i believe its 20. >> it is 45 thousand square feet and the tenant approved a half that million dollar i want to understand how the derivative in terms of the special event will be duo to the engrossed we do have are a performer on the cost side but not the the other side. >> we have that detail i can provide that to you. >> how much of the revenue being driven on the performer and the question to the t n g side love of the skoenl will be for the special event but the improvement to make the space noviceer to understand how the special event will be marketed and what kind of a targeted and who's handling that we look at the crowds ships and so how will this be different and the special events it is one of the major differential measures. >> well, you get half of that required for the baits rent and this is the group we found operate in new york it is a company up and running they do this on a boos they provide all the costs of improvements when we make the deal with the yo

and a very controversial event. we're told by authorities here in garland that toward the end of that event, there were two men who drove up on the scene in a dark colored sedan and started firing. we are told that those two men in that car have been shot and killed and are at the scene right now outside of this civic center. authorities have cordoned off several blocks around the civic center and cordoned everything off. we had a cnn producer inside the event when all of this was going down, going on, and everything was immediately shut down and people were kept from going outside just as the event was starting to wrap up. so a very tense situation here tonight in garland, texas. just outside of dallas, john. >> okay, ed. so the very latest on the explosives in the vehicle, they still haven't ascertained that? and what about the evacuation of nearby businesses? what's the latest there? >> reporter: well, there obviously was some concern about what was going on in those buildings, if, indeed, these two suspects migh

the event center, evacuated businesses close by, evacuated the event center.ting people in garland school buses and away from the area. >> do you know if officer joiner heard anything from the suspects beforehand? >> i don't know that. >> any immediate threat right now in the area? >> not that we're aware of. you have seen police helicopters flying overhead. >> the parking lot, described seeing a third suspect being put in the squad car. >> i don't have any idea of that. the only thing that i have been told is the men out shooting that were shot and killed at the scene. >> to be clear, the officer shot, was he here working this event? >> yes. >> part of security? >> when this event was going, were you thinking someone like this could happen? >> we prepared for something like this because there were additional officers that were hired for this event by the school district. we had talked with them. and preparing for this event. and in case something like this happened. >> how many people were inside the event? >> approximately 200 attended the event. >> how long

event. in the back of the building a s.w.a.t. team was on stand by in case violence erupted. the shooting took place and lasted in 15 seconds. there were two men who drove up to the civic center in garland, texas, jumped out and started shooting. they wounded a garland independent school district officer. that officer has been treated and released from the hospital. he will be okay. those two suspects were quickly gunned down in the parking lot of the civic center of garland, texas. officials do not know the identities of the suspects but fbi investigators are on the scene beginning the process of figuring out the motive. this was an event that was controversial. the organizers describe it as a free speech event. those critics of these organizers which included a keynote speech by a dutch right wing politician on the target list of islamic groups around the world, they say this was nothing more than an anti-islam event. a great deal of controversy surrounding all of this and what many offici

the may be final up to 5 additional games could overlap so our focus from a transportation and dual event is large events the eir that katherine minutes is coming out in the first that of june looking at scenarios that can absent other further overlaps at apt apt and the 5 playoff games up to two playoff seasonal games and up to 3 conferences and houvent of other events that is roughly what we are think about i won't go there is transportation improvements coming to the mission bay neighborhood not not able the brt which is a protective bus line and mile carts replacement and other things that are coming we recognize this is one the growth areas of san francisco and many things underway to address that in addition to transportation you've heard briefly about the recreation of the france way building and the completion of the mission bay street hub and improvements to a number of signal intersection and bike and peaceful elements and the opening of the public safety that building that opened a few blocks to the north in january that was questions about parking so i pulled a few numbers fro

in the high case 20 events per year special events grows to 38%, office, 48, and restaurant at 14%. tmg in response to your we commissioner brandon related to the lbe utzation program tmg, has produced a utilization program. it's attached to the report, we have looked at it. it includes good faith outreach and a project specific website, it has clear and objective website, for lg -- contracts awards to lbe's i would note that the new legislation that the board of supervisors passed would not require this lease to produce this lbe utilization plan because they're not entering into an agreement plan with the city, but tmg produced a plan regardless of the requirement similar to peer 27. with that i'm going to turn it over to brad benson to talk about the rest of the items. >> thank you elai ne. good afternoon commissioners, brad benson -- they're not being set up or taken down, so there is going to be some constrained access to the that space, we have been consulting, quite a bit, with the fire marshal about the use of this space in order to lease it for a warehouse dead storage kind

to the smaller, you know the community based events in particular. so, yeah, i would like to maybe put together that data for the non-ticketed. >> sure. >> thank you. >> thanks. >> and so, colleagues, thanks, thanks for hearing this, item today and you know i think that it is clear that these events are really important for the city, culturally and economically, and i think that it is also clear that the city is not doing enough and i agree that i do believe that the city agencies want these events to happen to succeed and there is some really terrific people in the city government who are working to help make these events succeed and so this is not about the city not caring, it is about the way that we structure the system where there are too many departments that are involved or too many fees, involved, and there is not enough centralized coordination, and i mean that you go through the scott process to get your street closure which is supposed to be the departments working together and after that permit you have a bunch of individual departments t

had extensive discussions with the city with the cracking with the you felt with track pickup after events for several months that's been studied and addressed as part of supplemental eir but we've made process with the applicable codes. >> do you have outreach meeting in the future. >> the cac meeting on the 30th that relates specifically to one of the issues that you were referring to what happens whether there's an event in at&t one thing worth noting it is up to 18 to us attire the regular warriors game like 8 to 10 percent no shows a sold-out on stage concert 14 thousand you don't typically sell the seats behind the stage if you look at the average it is 9 thousand 10 for events we stress the difference between 9 thousand and 14 is a stress on the grid is different from thirty or 40 thousand at&t clearly there's a challenge with appropriate manufacture i measures it is not the same impact when a giants game that large population so we have that cac meeting set up i don't know if we have boxed after the 30th but continue the conversation with the cac and the other folks that are intere

the organizers of the event describe it as a free speech event. those critics of the organizers which included a keynote speech by a right wing dutch politician who has been on the target list of islamic groups around the world say this was nothing more than an anti-islam event. a great deal of controversial surrounding this. john, back to you. >> ed lavandera. ed said there were concerns that the gunman's car may have explosive devices inside. law enforcement had disabled the device. those attending the contest that was held to draw cartoons of the prophet muhammad say it was not anti-muslim, but pro-free speech. local police had officers and s.w.a.t. at the event just in case there was violence. >> we prepared for something like this because there were additional officers hired for the event by the school district. we talked with them in preparing for the event in case something like this happened. >> it's a pro-freedom of speech. why would anybody have to describe it as anti-islam? it is pro-freedom. that's what we're here for. we're freedom pr

whether they were related to the event or a random event. cull it can give them an idea of who the two people are and why they would want to attack this event. >> were they confident there were explosives or was it a possibility due to the sensitivity of the event and the fact that they could be tied to terror they have had so many events in the past. what do you know about the explosives on the ground or possible explosives. >> they are not saying for sure if it was explosives in the vehicle. they brought the robotic devices which clearly indicateded to me the police believed this couldere could have been explosives. what is important is the timing. the timing by which they tried to make their attack. it was right at the time you have 200 people that were about to come out of the building. >>> the time is now about 10 minutes almost to the top of the hour. right now it is unclear if this was a terror attack. but an islamic extremist twitter account taking credit for the ambush right before the shooting. what are invest griet toreigators loo

this was an event, highly the o deskrid describe it as the free speech event the a keynote speech by a right-wing dutch politician who has been on the target list of, islamic groups around the world, they say that this was nothing more than a -- anti-islam event. great deal of controversy surrounding all of this. what many law enforcement officials here in garland worried about has taken place. back to you. >> and a spokesman for garland police said that they were prepared for something like this. joe horn talked with reporters earlier saying it could take hours new to work the crime scene. >> our bomb unit is there. they're still working on the vehicle. and that's where we are at this time. so far as identification, we have not touched their body because they're close by the car. once that its cleared. weave will find out who they are, and exactly what was going on. we are in the process of interviewing any witnesses. along with the man that was shot. >> well the american freedom defense initiative is considered an anti-muslim group by an organization that tracks hate groups. cnn po

he won that event. and what unfolded towards the end of that event, as it was coming to a close, those two gunmen opened fire on a security officer, wounding him in the ankle. we are happy to report that he is alive and well and out of the hospital. and cooperating with police to give them more details about it. and then the two gunmen who had been opening fire they exchanged gunfire with the garland police department which had been on the scene in the event that something like this could possibly happen because of the nature of the free speech event in and of itself involving muhammad and cartoon caricatures of him. having said all of that those two gunmen are dead. their bodies laying on the ground near their vehicle they were driving. as police used a robot to move in to determine if there were any incendiary devices in that car. and we understand through our reporting from casey spiegel on the ground there in garland, texas, that he heard sort of a muffled sound as if a detonation had taken place. t

gunfire interrupting a art event called the hue hamd art event and contest. 25 miles outside of dallas police telling a crowd a police officer and two men were shot outside of the exhibit, including a police officer. now, investigators say two men drove near the building, opened fire, and according to nbc affiliate kxas officers shot and killed those suspects. the event featured images of the islamic prove etd, muhammad which some may think is offensive. the information that we are getting at this moment is still sparse, although at this time, at the hour there, early evening, i believe aren't 8:24 local time, and the information that we're getting is that at the moment, two men have been shot by police outside the curtis callwell center. that's garland, texas. that happened this afternoon. and that's what the garland police have confirmed to our affiliate there. they are saying that two men, again, pulling up in a vehicle, shooting a garland police officer outside that building. those men, who then shot that police officer, were shot and killed by other garland police. now, the office

this was an event, highly controversial, the organizers describe it as the free speech event the a keynote speech by a right-wing dutch politician who has been on the target list of, islamic groups around the world, they say that this was nothing more than a -- anti-islam event. great deal of controversy surrounding all of this. what many law enforcement officials here in garland worried about has taken place. >> freedom of speech under attack by jihadis. we don't know the gunmen religion or motives, police say it appears they did act alone. i want to bring in now, a terrorism expert at in the national security director for the asia pacific foundation in london. hello there, thank you for joining me. i just first want to got your reaction to this event that was held outside dallas and at take. >> natalie, this is now the third incident this year in just the last five months, a venue targeted in connection to the prophet muhammad attacks, there was at take at "charlie hebdo" in paris, and then in copenhagen, denmark, now in garland, texas. so it is very interesting how the scope of terroris

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what was the community saying about this event? >> yeah the community was not happy really about this event. they were very concerned about security around it in this neighborhood. i mean, this is a place where you have major shopping. you have a school next door. the building is actually controlled by an independent school district. it was in response to a pro prophet mohammed event if january, which had a lot of controversy surrounding it. some of the people were in support of al qaeda and extremism. a lot of people thought that was going to be the next recruiting event in this country. so this proves today, we will have our event in the same exact place. we will put up this contest all over the world to depict the prophet mohammed will you win thousands of dollars if we pick your cartoons to be the best one. we will do this and not power down. even though people are very much in favor of sprooe free speech especially in texas. there were a lot of people concerned about this event. you and i could not have attended this event by

instances others airport and the last year but that concert or event at&t at in that particular case we're working first to identify and avoid those sclfts in the mission bay ball park commission committee and through the may be and when there are conflicts we want to separate those arrivals more and more most challenging everybody coming out the neighborhood at the same time the more we startle those the more we can utility it existing transit and streamline capacity we have 12r5rgd start times and regular participation in the committee and advanced notifications and cooperation on the large marquee events like a political convention or large events that generates a lot of attention that fills the arena. >> this is a handful of time when we have the city's full deployment for are the are the and the arena so the fairy land at at&t park will be actually and the parking control officers in motorbike will be deployed and will be take advantage of the way finding and mobile app and like us when they have a signage he can but staggering the start times didn't start before like the baseba

of that event. police officers were at the ready they thought the event might get a blow back from those who didn't agree with free speech. they killed them dead. wither going to stay on the story on fox news channel. i am harris falkner. >> two gunmen are dead in garland, texas. the heavily armed men drove up to the front of the building in a car where a muhammad art exhibit was taking place and opened fire on a security officer. the security officer's injuries are not life threatening. garland police officers exchanged gun fire with the gunman killing both of them at the scene. through out the night a police bomb squad has been using a robot to check for a possible incendiary device. they are concerned the two gunmen could have rigged their car with positive explosives. they evacuated people from wal-mart and sam's club and other businesses. they are not heuer if it is in response to an anti free speech event dating back to january 17th. the event was designed to say you cannot squash free speech

the people who organized this event billing it as a free speech event.ritics saying it was nothing more than an anti-islamic event. you have those two polar opposite viewpoints creating a very tense situation. that's what law enforcement officials here were worried about playing out here tonight. >> just in terms of what we know at this stage about the attack, do you have any idea just how close these two gunmen actually got to the civic center where this exhibit was being held? >> reporter: well, we've been told that the two men were in a dark-colored sedan. they were able to not make it through the parking lot, as close as you could get to one of the side entrances before they got out of the car and started firing. as we mentioned, injuring one of the officers, a garland school district offic working the scene. one officer tells us that that particular officer was not armed. within seconds, the two suspects were shot special killed. we're told the whole incident lasted about 15 seconds. >> the keynote speaker, geert wilders, the dutch right-wing politi

this is an event of the muhammad art event and contest. organized by a group called the american freedom defense initiative according to our affiliate kxas. the group claiming that the event an effort to stand up against violent intimidation. at the event within the last several hours, two armed men opening fire on a security guard there on location and then fire returned by garland police officers. the two suspects then killed. now, more background if you're just joining us on this muhammad art exist and contest organized by this group, they were also -- the organizing group also decided to invest up to $10,000 in increased security according to what the police were telling our affiliate. this follows another event that was happening in january that was as described by our affiliate pro-islamic and appears potentially the two groups at adds with each other. and, you know, as i'm looking here, clint, at the way that the affiliate describing what happened there, they make some allusion to what had happened in the charlie hebdo attacks and i

events the public has asked for, tmg, agreed to two events a year two could be scheduled in advance the others would be 30 days of the planned event, when there is no other conflicting event planned for this space, it would be added with no cost to the fee so they would have to pay for security, janitorial services etc. and the groups would have to get all the necessary permits but we're pleased that tmg has made this into a public space. we have been port staff and tmg, and premier structures their joint venture partner, have been communicating, with the commission today today, you are asked to make an on the burden act, the port has gone to the state commission and ask them to issue a letter, finding a project consistent with the public trust. exhibit d, to your staff report, includes, trust analysis in consultantation with tmg, and land state commission and that further the purpose of the trust or land time use that will be available for water taxi public access on the north apron the spraunt use, and now the event use, the publicly oriented event use in parcel c. in closing, the por

today's event was in response to an anti free speech event back from january 17th. it was more than just about the contest for drawing a cartoon about the prophet of the mohammed. there was a contest that would give you a 10,000 dollar prize. it was also an answer back to you can't quash our free speech. they were evacuating the venue if you will took out an american flag and they sang together as americans began to pray for that officer the garland security officer who was shot when the two men tried to invade that venue. the officer is going to be okay by the way. but they met with that impartial -- i want to bring back rod wheeler a former dc homicide detective. 40 police officers a big number that we are now seeing more information about. they were at the ready. they figured there might be some response to this event going on. they were prepared. the suspects are did he do. are you with us? >> yes, i am. >> the police officers they had at the ready. for this event the organizer sent well over a million for the police officers. i wonder if there was threats or an

was this a free speech event or an anti-muslim event. >> it was absolutely a free speech event and it is protected by the first amendment. >> the initiative is considered a hate group is allowed to hold events like these. so was it the availability to hold the event sort of the epitome of free speech events to be held. >> this was in response to a previous event in january where they brought in their keynote speakers who had been co-conspirators speakers who had been all over the country preaching anti-american propaganda. i think it was the appropriate response to have the opposition in the same. >> okay. were you comfortable? you were at the event. were you comfortable with everything that was being said against islam at this event? >> i don't know if it was a matter of comfort. it was a matter of standing up for free speech. i live in that area and i protect free speech on both sides. >> the people that was referred was implicated in the 1993 world trade center bombing. they were never indicted and there is no connection made between them and the september 11th attack. they were ca

what happened inside of the event? describe what went down when you learned what was happening. >> well, i was in a hallway and the conference had just ended maybe five minutes before. several of us were in the hallway thinking about leaving and then a man in camouflage was running through the hallway shouting and telling us to get back in the conference room immediately. we all went in and doors were shut and for a few minutes we didn't know what had happened at all. we just knew something was going on outside. >> you did know that there was an enormous amount of security there. we just did hear from garland officials about just how much extra security was on. $10,000 worth. it included bomb squad, extra uniform police officers, even fbi on the scene and these would-be attackers, one named elton simpson, a news isis sympathizer with links to known isis members online. they were stopped by a barrier, a police car stopped outside to keep them from getting in. talk to me about the security that you saw. >> so the securit

, like being a speaker or getting an award at the event that's the difference. i don't think -- or is it any mention of the candidate would have to be reported >> you are right. to the extent it was a small reference to the candidate. it wouldn't trigger the reporting any way. the way we have it structured is you would look at the general set up of the mailer or whatever it was, if somebody was like taking up a tiny bit of the real estate, you would only allocate a small amount of the amount spent to that person. really what we're looking for more is the person takes up sort of a substantial portion of a mailer that goes out really, you are featuring that person. >> i believe if if there's a nonprofit every year or an event that happens, nonprofits are going to be -- the person running for office and will be weary about given someone an award, or a prominent position in aan event, or advertising that event, knowing they would appear to be promoting that candidate's candidacy. >> i think it does depend. i hear what you are saying if they do it the same time every

a lot of help in the beginning, but the correlation, between the event itself, and the cost of the event, and the impacts, perhaps they are not as clear in this intermediate stage as they once were. >> right. >> and that i would say, going, and you know, going forward, that correlation, is going to have to be demonstrated, i think more effectively, and the event is definitely evolving and i guess that there is some question as to how it is evolving and what the, participation, the financial participation should be going forward. >> okay. >> jonathan with the mta, and thank you, commissioners. and just to reflect in this allocation request, this one happens to be particularly high, but within the five y pp over five years we are actually tapering it down the over all sales tax report and based on the feedback that you just gave and so there will be the session expecttation that private fund raise tion happens for this event and the cost is $165,000 and it has gone up year over year and the mta recognizes that and we are working on the bike coalition on a longer term plan on how to make th

we think their strategy was to get to the event center into the event center, and they were not ableto get past that outer perimeter that we had set up, that was part that have security. >> what about the whole idea of holding this event in that venue. is that something that the police department can put on, where they would give recommendations or in retrospect, was holding the event something that the police department thinks was a wise idea? >> well certainly after this event and after the event that was in january i feel its safe to say that officials will look into this, but that's not for us to address. we'll focus on what happened yesterday, making sure that we do everything that we need to do at that crime scene and that everything that we believe happened we can prove happened. >> and the officer who was shot, he got out of the car unarmed. did he look for cover or did he try to attack. >> god no, he did not try to ago. he was hit in the lower leg. we're told he simply stepped out of the car and that was the time that the gunfire started. >> was this the first time that they

but this was an event highly controversial. the organizers describe it as a free speech event. of the organizers which also include add keynote speech by a right wing dutch politician who has been on the target list of islamic groups around the world, they say this was nothing more than a anti-islam event. so a great deal of controversy surrounding all of this and what many law enforcement officials here in garland had worried about has taken place. back to you. >> our thanks to ed for the latest there. for more, let's go to our intelligence and security analyst. he is now live from newport beach in california. bob, clearly this could have ended a lot worse. having said that, is it too early to say that it all looks pretty amateur? >> it looks pretty amateurish. clearly there was a lot of security around this site. the fact that the swat squad was in place. these guys didn't have a chance getting in. i'm looking at this from the outside. a true islamic state attack would have been better organized. it would have involved ramming the building, any number of techniques they under

any idea what the motive was behind this event, and why in garland, texas? >> well, the professed motive according to the event's organizers was to advocate free speech. but the fact that they picked this community center in this neighborhood in dallas is telling. it was in january this exact same place hosted a pro muslim community event. it was an event of solidarity that happened five days after after the hebdo attack in paris. the police are saying there are things that are coincidental and. >> ben carson is running for president. carson and his wife stood side by side at the detroit you music hall. carson was born in detroit. hehe said he was not anti-government but felt that they need to follow constitutional powers. >> i'm ben carson and i will bid for president of the united states. i feel its time for the people to take government back. >> carson is sore far the only african-american to enter the race. but the nomination he has has never run for any public office before. carly fiorina announced her own bid for the white house. the former ceo of hewl

additional security was added to this event tonight. luckily it was because ends up we had a threat and they executed that threat. >> how many officers were there? >> i don't have a number. >> dozens or -- >> i don't know. i can give you a number later on but i don't have those numbers now. >> will this impact the high school next door tomorrow? >> i wouldn't think so. simply because we would expect to get this clear, the car cleerd. of course we have a crime scene there that will take hours to work. i wouldn't think -- it's not close enough to the high school that it should delay any school opening there. all i know is it is two males. >> can you describe the aftermath of the shooting? >> locking down, securing areas, making sure there was no one else moving toward the event center that may be carrying guns or trying to harm anyone else. >> were there a lot of people in the parking lot? >> not a lot of people in the parking lot. it was ten or 15 minutes before the event was going to be over. that's pretty well it. >> update on when you

we had talks with them, in preparing for this event. in case something like this hatched. >> well, we can go live now to our reporter heidi zhou-castro. near the scene of the shooting. heidi, what is the latest you have for us? >> this shooting happened in mere seconds. there was no description given of these two suspects. we know their bodies are still bethe car which they used to come to the parking lot where they opened fire, hitting one security officer in the ankle. that officer has since been discharged from the hospital. but again there's nothing on motive nothing on description of the suspects. the police have evacuated a perimeter around the complex,ing a neighborhood and sthopg shoapg complex. shopping complex. the group that was hosting this event is a far right new york city based group. they at the time said that this was not mint to be an insult to muslims or an attack ton faith but rather an expression of free speech in light of events, the charlie hebdo attack in france. it is too early to draw any conclusion, they are n

if you have a right to hold this event. you have a right to hold this event. we won't debate if violence is okay in light of this event. absolutely not. i don't even want to debate the line between free speech and provocation. i want to talk to you and get your take in light of the fact that there was violence attempted at your event and you want to hold more events, do you now need to change plans. >> we have to take adequate security measures. we did at garland. jihadies were stopped. they want to replicate the "charlie hebdo" massacre and kill massive numbers of people. they weren't able to get into the building. garland police did a tremendous job. we'll have to have that security and more in the future. >> there is at least one police officer there who knows how to use a service revolver. >> we owe him a great debt of gratitude. >> have you met him? >> we're trying to catch him now. >> robert spencer, thank you so much. >>> ahead for us "at this hour," a harmless man is how the former attorney for elton spencer remembers him and now what does she think af

it was a muhammed art event.when you say being security because of these types of events what do you mean? >> because around the world when they put an event like this on. >> can you give us age and description? >> do not have one. >> twitter account claiming responsibility do you know of that? >> i have been hearing about it but do not know. we will be looking at that. >> do you know if the fbi is here? >> they will be assisting us along with atf. >> can you tell us how wide the perimeter is and the reasoning are for that? >> because if a bomb goes off no one will get hurt. >> has anyone been evacuated? >> yes they have been gone for about two hours now.there was a sports store that was evacuated there was a walmart store evacuated, sam's i believe was already closed. the business across the road were still open. >> what was the purpose (inaudible). >> because of what we have witnessed in the past around the world, it would be customary somebody to come up and start shooting to possibly have incendiary items in

we think their strategy was to get to the event center into the event center and they were not able to get past that outer perimeter that we have set up which was part of that security. >> our ed lavandera following the events in garland texas outside dallas and rose sa flores watching what's going on. did the police say whether there was a specific threat made against the event? >> they didn't mention -- haven't mentioned anything about a specific threat and we asked about one of the suspects who's been named, a man by the name of elton simpson, a nimame or picture put on the radar. authorities in garland saying not that they were aware of but say the security plan had been put into place several months ago and that the event organizers were -- had to pay an extra $10,000 to beef up security teams which also included a s.w.a.t. team in the back of the building. look at the scene beyond the cars less than 100 yards away is that perimeter where the car, the two suspects were pulled out, it was two officers in a car monitoring who was coming and going from the civic center that first con

often times you will hear, we , are dealing with an event that is a 100 year of event.here are a lot of hundred year events that happened several times per year. we often have limited data. if we only build back to past historical data, we are often times not incorporating what we need to to protect against future impacts when you talk about population growth, population density, and climate change. there are a lot of factors you have to look at to make sure you are building and rebuilding infrastructure in a way that reduces future disaster risks. reporter: can you tell us about a city that may be doing some of this, try to mitigate its flood risk, and some cities that may not be looking at this as much as you would like? host: there are a lot of places -- guest: there are a lot of places that you need to look at, but i was in miami beach yesterday. what they have done there is they have seen these astronomically high tides. miami beach is literally a porous rock that they built on. they were getting flooding that was getting worse and worse outside of a storm. so, the

this was in direct opposition to that event. >> first off, about the event itself the leadup to the event, did you have any concerns personally this event would be targeted by people who did not want to see it take place because the security was so great and the publicity around it? >> well absolutely. i think everyone there in the back of their minds knew that something could potentially happen. which is why there was so much security. there were about 250 people. the event was sold out. but you know what? we are a in our time where americans are going to have to stand up and not live their lives in fear. we have the right to free speech in this country. those of us at that event are going to fight to keep it. >> you should pray at some point, in fact correct, what did you pray for? >> yes, well the main prayer we offered after singing and chanting usa was mainly for the officer that we had heard had been shot. we began to pray for the police department and everyone who was outside putting their lives on the line for those of us on the inside. we prayed for our country and our country's

why this event there?in the wake of the "charlie hebdo" slaughter, muslim leaders held a stand with the prophet conference supportsing the sharia restrictions on free speech against free speech and they weren't even buried yet. okay? but you asked me a question i just want to answer you fair, completely. so we held a an event in defense of free speech. the objective was, first, to show depictions of mohamed over the past 400 years where they didn't slaughter people for drawing them in pieces of artwork. we know this is being used by islamic supremacists who seek to impose the sharia restrictions on free speech in the west, and it's working. it's working, because the media won't run cartoons. if the media had run the cartoons in 2005 if all the media had, there would never have been this power given to it. now, anyone that runs car toorntoons is targeted. if all the media ran it you couldn't kill everybody. >> that's a separate issue, but i want to ask a question about the specific event. this morning, when