edgar hoover created the fbi and corrected the fbi in his 36 year reign as fbi director. his fbi did some good work but j. edgar hoover himself engaged in some of the worst things ever done by american law enforcement agency. he loved using illegal wiretaps, especially against the reverend martin luther king junior, who he put under illegal surveillance for no reason whatsoever, no legal reason whatsoever. wiretapped his phone calls and try to harass dr. king into committing suicide. presidents feared what j. edgar hoover might try to do to them or their allies. j. edgar hoover's legacy is a stain on american law enforcement but still, his name adorns the fbi headquarters building in washington, d.c. l patrick gray, served as acting fbi director served one year of richard nixon's criminal activity as president. he got ensnared in that criminal activity himself and left the office of fbi director, acting fbi director in disgrace before richard nixon was forced to leave the presidency in disgrace. after the nixon criminal scandals that involve the fbi, congress took action

for the last 50 years, the fbi, that the american people rely upon, the fbi that's independent from politics. the best way to defend that principle would be to remain in his position and force the president to fire him. >> so you think he should have stayed? >> i do, yeah, i do. >> and what does it mean now that that he didn't? because i was talking to someone today who said this idea of independent fbi directors or, you know, the next president leaves the former fbi director in place is over, because, i mean, if kash patel is confirmed, if a democrat is elected in four years, i think it's hard for people to see that they would potentially keep him in place. >> it may very well be over. and that's really a crushing thing to fbi people. the culture in the fbi has long seen itself, and for good reason, as being very different than every other government agency. and one of the reasons for that was because of their storied independence. independence. that's really was legislated by congress with the ten year term for the fbi director and i you know, i fear that what we're on the precipi

of fbi director by giving the fbi director a ten-year term. that meant that some presidents might not ever get to appoint an fbi director, and some didn't. it was inconceivable in the aftermath of the nixon scandals that a president would fire an fbi director for the offense of investigating that president, which is exactly what donald trump did when he fired james comey as fbi director in 2017, thereby becoming the first president in history to fire an fbi director in the middle of a ten-year term. president jimmy carter was the first president to appoint an fbi director to a ten-year term, and of course, he chose a republican, william webster. and i say, of course, because in those days, the way for a president to prove that a job was above politics was to give that job to someone from the other party. and so no one was surprised by jimmy carter's choice of republican william webster. but when it came time for republican presidents to appoint fbi directors, they too chose republican fbi directors. bill clinton was the next democratic preside

the question is, what sort of fbi director will kash patel be for the fbi and for the united states? >> well, and looking at that, you know, trump wanted to fire wray at the end of his last term, bill barr threatened to quit if he did so. he ultimately did not. but but when you look at this and what an fbi would look like with kash patel, what does that look like for people who are curious about this? >> you know, it's a great question because cash's background and his qualifications are aren't anywhere close to any preceding fbi director. right. >> take out, take out what he said about the media and the deep state, which all are important. we're not ignoring that. but if you were ignoring all of that and just looking at his qualifications, would you feel comfortable with him running the fbi? >> absolutely not. i mean, he can't he's not even he doesn't have half of the leadership experience. the law enforcement experience, the legal career that any previous fbi director has had. and for one example, caitlin, i'll have you focus on the few things he said about reducing the size of hea

the fbi investigated not only the january 6th attack, but the fbi also, chris wray's fbi, authorized the search warrant execution of mar-a-lago to go and retrieve the classified documents that donald trump allegedly attempted to obstruct justice and attempted to hide from the fbi who had privately worked with donald trump and his aides at mar-a-lago to turn over. but instead, when donald trump did not turnover those documents, those classified materials, that is when chris wray and the fbi authorized that attack on his home. ever since then, chris wray has been in his direct line of fire and it has been clear that if he were to win the presidency again, he would seek to have him not only removed, but replaced by somebody like kash patel to go and eliminate others who were allied with chris wray within the department who he is considered to be part of the deep state to undermine him politically. >> let me bring in former director for the office of public affairs, senior adviser to ag merrick garland. anthony, he told the town hall, made the announcement. told the staff there what he w

and what was happening at the fbi headquarters. i will go back to what i said, kash is a person that exposed what was actually going on and with the dossier report, with the russia collusion, with hunter biden's computer. it was kash that exposed that. to say he would weponized anything, i would totally disagree that. the only party that's weponized the fbi and doj was the democratic party. >> president elect trump with such ambitious agenda. i think senator cornyn earlier talked about how guy wills have to balance that with some of the nominations that could take some time and sort of asked trump -- [inaudible] >> political capitol. are you thinking about that, some of the -- the investigations can gone and on. how much political capital are you -- >> i don't think the fbi investigation will go very long. we can go to the process pretty quick. as far as the political capital. pam is going to go through just fine, kash is going to go through just find, tulsi, all of the individuals have to come here and earn the vote and keep the n

fbi, a 25 year veteran.come to both of you. andrew, i emphasize and chris wray emphasized how different this post is that most others. your thoughts on quitting early today? >> i thought the intro was dead on. it is the 10 year term that makes this such an important story and framing what's happening and the quitting in advance and what it does to the kash patel nomination which he by all accounts in a look at his qualifications, you know, doesn't have the experience to run leaving aside any sort of political views and policy views. i think the other thing i would look at is on monday, senator grassley had written a letter to christopher wray that headlined all of his perceived failings and it is clear that the hearing was going to be in many ways a referendum on chris wray and he was going to be attacked. maybe fairly, maybe unfairly, or some of each. i hope it was not a reason for his decision. it's also something you're supposed to welcome as the fbi and as fbi director, which is congressional and public

the fbi, d.c. sort of a dichotomy as far as mr. patel is concern as as those two factions arere concerned? >> not really. some of these, some t of these moms out it, the just not as known to the senators and so that processes procesu look at mike waltz. mark waltz is known by the people appear in the capital. you look at marco rubio, that he's not appear in this new issue really going on there. if these individuals that they're just not as come the senators were not asked my with them. i have been fortunate that most of these nominations i know and know these individuals well so i feel like i've got a unique seat here. but the rest of it is just that process. we take oversight very serious in the senate. t thing we actually do and do well is the oversight side of it.t every senator is taking a responsibility likee they should extremely serious. >> along those lines i do want to ask about the background checks. there was a time where it was unclear if those what happened or not. what happened, what

you have a former fbi agents that really do want the fbi busted up and shattered in a lot of ways. >> thank you very much. >>> richard blumenthal serves on the judiciary committee and joins me now. your reaction to the fbi director's announcement. >>'s resignation is a result of raw political pressure and a pathetic goal to what the fbi should be doing and what the 10 year term is meant to do, insulate it from this kind of political pressure. but i will say that i would have compelled donald trump to fire me. i would have stayed and spoken up. there is a lesson in the rise of tyranny in europe during the 20th century and a great scholar from yale listed a number of lessons, the first of which is, do not obey in advance. most of the power of authoritarianism is given freely. and i am afraid that democracy may be rolling over. it is a break the glass moment for all of us in defending democracy and institutions. i think christopher wray should have brought it to a head and shown america that donald trump very simply wants to weaponized all of these law enforcement agencies including the

here's his choice for fbi director kash patel two months ago outlining his plans for the fbi. >> the's footprint has gotten so freaking big. the biggest problem the fbi has had has come out of its intel shops. i'd break that component out of it. i'd shut down the fbi hoover building on day one and reopen the next day as a museum of the deep state. what do you need 7,000 people there? same thing with doj. what are all these people doing here? >> well, joining me now, don callaway, democratic strategist and founder of national protection voter fund, susan del percio, msnbc political analyst and david jolly, florida republican congressman and msnbc political analyst. i hope you had a great thanksgiving. the only thing missing from my thanksgiving table is having my son with me. here we go. don, does kash patel sound like swub who can win senate confirmation? >> unfortunately, he does sound like he can win senate confirmation. does he soupd like someone who should be in charge of our fbi? oh, god, no. i was prepared to come in with this canned response how these outlier candidate will be

you have a group of individuals outside the bureau, former fbi, special agents that really want to fbi busted up and shattered in a lot of ways. >> ryan reilly, thank you very much. >>> richard blumenthal serves on the judiciary committee and joins me now. your reaction to the fbi director's announcement. >> this resignation is a result of political pressure, it is anti-pedicle to what the fbi should be doing and what the 10 year term was meant to do, insulated from this kind of political pressure. i will say, i would have compelled donald trump to fire me, i would have stayed and spoken up, there is a lesson in the rise of tyranny in europe during the 20th century. a great scholar, tim snyder alejo issued a number of lessons, one of which, the first of which, do not obey in advance most of the power of authoritarianism is given freely. i'm afraid democracy may be rolling over, break the glass moment for all of us in defending democracy and defending institutions and i think christopher wray should have brought it to a head and shown america that donald trump, very simply wants to weap

if we go back in history for just a moment, the idea of the fbi is that the fbi should be outside political fbi director position is so powerful, so influential in terms of things like what you saw before, the russia investigation for example, or the investigation into hillary clinton. that position is so powerful that congress said that should be a ten-year position so it's outside the presidential election cycle. what does congress do? they watch the president-elect purposely put this position within the presidential election cycle, violating what the congress wanted to do and the congress is saying, at least republicans, we don't care. my first impression is it's really important for the fbi, but an embarrassment for the congress. >> guys, let's hear from someone who has been in wray's shoes, former fbi deputy director andrew mccabe who was dismissed by then attorney general jeff sessions. >> i believe strongly that the principle of fbi independent is worth defending. in this moment the way to best defend that principle, this post watergate reform that's been the core of the fbi for the

so at this hour, we know that the fbi director is talking to to fbi employees. he wanted to make sure they heard the news from him, while he also tries to make make it clear that he plans to get out of the way before the new president takes over. boris. >> yeah, it's a real politicization of the fbi, even as people argue. oh, it's been politicized. so there needs to be change. it's sort of this wheel in a way that keeps going on this issue. evan, i wonder if you have a sense of how people working inside the fbi are feeling about this and the effect that this may have internally on those folks who are doing this work day in and day out. >> there's a lot of there's a lot of concern inside the fbi. look, chris wray is actually pretty popular inside the inside the bureau because, you know, one of the things he has done is he has tried to lower the temperature for the fbi. there's a lot of criticism from from the previous leadership of the fbi, james comey, and the way how he handled the office, especially when donald trump first took office in the in the first term.

the fbi had their woman. her infant daughter before they would be separated, perhaps, forever. and she requested that she use that time to make herself up because she was fully aware that there would be a tremendous amount of media coverage and cameras upon her arrival. so she was more concerned about making sure she looked good than about spending her last moments with her child? yes. interviewer: did that surprise you at all? it did not surprise me. it's the queen of selfish. yeah. narrator: it was september 24, 2015, almost 10 years to the day since adam's brutal murder. for the anhang family, abe's relentless pursuit of urea had come to this moment, urea in shackles brought back to finally face the charges against her and face abe himself in court. when they finally brought her back, somebody said to me, what words do you have for her? i said, welcome back from your european vacation. narrator: but urea was not about to go down without a fight and without trying to do what she did best, exploiting people

and the fbi building.ng, why do you need all these people there? that that he'd want to just make it a museum. um i, i think there are people out there that that say, oh, that's just rhetoric. he's not he doesn't really mean it. um, and i think that they also thought that about, you know president-elect trump, who was very honest about what he wanted to do with the fbi and about political retribution. um, what do you think? >> i have said, jessica, for for a long time now, that we should take donald trump at his word. and he's been very clear about what he said during the campaign and i with this, i feel like he's speaking clearly with this nomination as well. what he intends for the fbi, what he intends to do to the fbi. we should stop giving him the. oh, well, it's just him. that's how he talks. he maybe doesn't mean it and actually start crediting the guy with saying the things that he's actually going to do. now, i think that the clip that you played of kash is really fascinating, because i know that i

this morning about just today about the need for reform at the fbi, that the fbi needs to be reformed and cleaned out. what do you think that actually look like looks like what should people expect? >> yeah look, i think the vast majority of fbi men and women agents out there are in it for the right reasons. they go out there to keep america safe, to put the bad guys in jail. and my guess is, if you talk to many of them, they're completely fine with the top brass of the fbi being reformed. i think there's a big want for reform, both in the government and also from the american public. and so, look, i think you've got thousands and thousands of people sitting here in the j. edgar hoover building here in washington, d.c. nobody knows what they do. all day long. they're sitting in cushy jobs. they're a bureaucratic mess. and meanwhile, what i'm told is that some of these top field offices around the country don't have the requisite amount of agents in them. so i think that's the type of reform that we're going to see with somebody like a kash patel or whomever comes in to, to clean this

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the fbi's footprint has gotten so big. biggest problem the fbi had has come out of its intel shelves. i would break that out of it. i would shut down the hoover building on day one and reopen the next day as a museum of the deep state. i take the 7,000 employees and send them across america to chase down criminals. go be cops. you are cops. >> you have reported in the past about concerns within the intelligence community about donald trump's choice to fill roles. if confirmed, what sort of pushback could there be from within the intel community? i want to point out what susan del percio said on our show. she said listening to that clip that we just played made it sound like it was an endorsement of de-fund the fbi. >> what he is saying is radical and unprecedented. when he refers to the intelligence activities that the fbi conducts, of course, this is very much linked up with trying to stop terrorist attacks. a lot is counterterrorism. it is trying to track down and ferret out potential spies inside the u.s. and inside eve

so i had to rely on files from the fbi to try get at like some primary sources in the fbi was. i, shall we say, less than cooperative and, in some cases less than truthful about if they had files or if they didn't, if the files, even existed or if they didn't. so i ended up having do just a lot of like trying to figure out how how can you piece something together when the accounts from witnesses are unavailable to you. and i did a lot of that by visiting archives like birmingham, sam, bull connor, weirdly enough, kept a ton of stuff from that era. and so every time would correspond like with the national police department that's in that file. and also whatever material the nashville police department sent him. so i was able to get some records some lists of songs that the police had and. so that was one way i had good luck with the florida archives. i found that other historians of this era were incredibly generous with, you know, so when i wrote somebody in, i was like, what do you know this? they would either say, here you'll find this helpful or they would be like, hey, you

typically, the fbi is following leads. often a lot of their work is assisting local law enforcement. you know, they have these labs that have great technology that can assist a lot of local law enforcement. so that's definitely what you sort of see the hollywood image about the fbi being. but truth be told, the fbi does have a lot of issues, especially i think technologically. they're just not as advanced as the hollywood image might necessarily say. so there's definitely some major issues, i think, on the horizon and even happening right now for the fbi. there's this joke internally that the fbi has yesterday's technology tomorrow, and i think that that technology question is really going to be a key one going into the next several years of the bureau. but if you have somebody heading it up who's sort of an overt partisan, that's going to definitely bring it in a different trajectory. and i think, you know, you're going to see a decline in trust in the fbi. john: this morning on nbc's meet the press, senator chris murphy,

abbate served in positions with the fbi. serving as the deputy director for the bureau for the past three years, mr. abbate with investigative and intelligence activities. moderating the session will be steve, the security ceo microsoft federal. so please welcome them. [applause]. >> thank you, paul, for spending this time with us. i think you have the distinguished honor of having the most provocative title at billington taking the cyber fight to the bad guys. that's pretty exciting. so look forward to digging into that with youment so really taking a look at-- this has been a big year for the fbi. the department has been more aggressive at taking on cyber adversaries. what has changed in the world and what has gotten us here. tell us about your approach. >> first, thank you, steve, for doing this panel with me or the chat. it's a privilege to join you all for the 15th annual summit. thank you for billington cyber security and tom for having us here. when i think about it, that the idea of an aggressive approach, i think th

fbi racked.from liverpool new jersey, maybe the jersey drones are being operated by confidential nonhuman informants. at first i thought they were aliens so i've been sitting outside on my porch with a shotgun waiting to get abducted and probed. haven't seen one since. chris from jefferson kentucky, in the words of ll cool j, don't call it a comeback, i've been here four years. cindy from bloomfield, new jersey,, trump is ushering the new rowing 20s r it's going to be good. but do not take financial advice from him. dave from fairfax station virginia, jesse, really finalist four times person of the year? runner-up again. greg from alberta, canada,, all i want for christmas is to be named the 51st state. you got it. i think that congress would vote for that. what would it take for you to wear a suit like charles? i have to lose a bet. he could pull it off, i can't do it. only clay travis and charles penn. jim, jesse, wire you dissing subaru owners when you drive a volvo? i told you, remembered sub

. >> fbi bombshell. >> president elect trump looks to fire his fbi director and replace him with a political firebrand. will loyalist kash patel be confirmed and follow through on his promise to pursue trump's political enemies? >> we're going to come after you, congressman jamie raskin is here exclusively to respond and rebel rising shocking images from syria where rebels overtake a key city. >> what does it mean for the region and the u.s. push for a broader mideast peace? white house national security adviser jake sullivan is next. plus, it's complicated, as trump's cabinet picks face skepticism in congress, his tariff threats raise consumer fears. >> it's going to make us wealthy again with a razor thin house majority. >> are there more bumps ahead? republican congressman mike lawler joins me exclusively hello i'm kasie hunt in for jake tapper and dana bash in washington, where the state of our union is watching a new battle brewing. president elect donald trump is closing out his thanksgiving weekend by setting up another major political fight. he wants longtime loyalists and partisan f

the fbi has a role in the fbi lost a lot of credibility.he fbi does not have credibility so -- there will be backlash and donald trump once again has picked another conservative who happens to be a friend, ally and that's what you need this white house because we don't pick people you trust, that's when weeks happen and backstabbing happens. for once he got people surrounded by him and i don't trump is a loyalist and believes in the people who are loyal to him you know you're not going to get that with a lot of nominees he's chosen to elect. >> two assassination attempts so he really needs to trust his inner circle. >> the key points should have been made, his cleansing the fbi here, department of justice. he wants loyalist. he talked about loyalist, kash patel here was the one who said those documents declassified and stood up to the fifth amendment something trump remembers. the attacks he leaves weekly related patel set up for him and then the uk and the smart operator in the department of defense as said, he's highly skilled. >> like th

they are comfortable with the fbi after all the fbi does not bother them.ing they'll get information from the fbi. isn't that really what is going on? kash patel is a reformer use things at the fbi the entrenched rule classes now him to do he knows how they do it how the d.o.j. the fbi corrupted the whole place. that is the advantage she has. that is why they do not want him in there. i will go furthermore, this it brings an important component i don't think we've had in fbi director before. kash is served at the beginning of his career on the other side he served as a public defender defending criminals against the fbi. against law enforcement agencies we transfer from a public defender that into the d.o.j. as a prosecutor. at a time we need people to understand both sides of the issue of we are going to restore the fbi and the department of justice in this country again where justice should be blind that is how it was set up by the founders of this country. and, if you do not have a solid reliable system your whole country falls apart. if it was not for p

the fbi says director wray's focus remains on the men and women of the fbi. people we do the work with and the people we do the work for. trump also announced he has selected son-in-law jared kushner's father, charles kushner, to serve as the next u.s. ambassador to france. kushner was pardoned by trump in 2020 after serving time in prison as part of a two-year sentence on federal criminal charges. as trump fills his administration, he's also meeting with world leaders. canadian prime minister justin trudeau had dinner with trump at mar-a-lago on friday, then posted, i look forward to the work we can do together again. but trump's threat to impose a 25% tariff on canada and mexico remains, unless he, he says, the countries take action to stop migrants and drugs from entering the u.s. border. both north american allies say they are preparing retaliatory tariffs on u.s. exports. now trump has issued a new threat against a group of nine countries, including brazil, russia and china. he says if they try to shy away from the u.s. dollar on international trade, he

it was the fbi. it was james comey who gave donald trump basically a life raft to paddle to shore and win the election 10 days before. it was over. until james comey did what he did. >> i think you might have heard about that from bill clinton a few days ago. when i sat down with the president. that lingers. >> they do not forget. >> is another interesting element to this. it is a little bit of blowback on the pressure campaign that's being brought on senate republicans. you have people like lisa murkowski coming out of this meeting saying, the calls we are getting, the pressure we are getting from trump people are not appreciated. she is saying politely what i think a lot of senators are saying, which is, back off. we have and advise and consent role. a lot of them will go along with whatever donald trump tells them to do. but you have heritage putting up ads saying we are going to primary you unless you vote for all these people. getting pressure from outside. pod casters. >> at least with murkowsk

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the militarization of the fbi the same fbi that went after trump before.told might there be retribution? yes, yes, yes. donald trump is against democracy. we here, we are all for democracy we are four elections, let the majority when booth got to tone it down excuse me you unleashed -- the fbi, the cia, federal prosecutors, the entire department of justice, local prosecutors, local courts, you did everything criminally, civilly, impeachment, special counsel, you threw everything through everythingmore than the. you through the whole toilet bowl everything you had. and now it donald trump a one because the american people said not only do we find him not guilty, we find you guilty. we have had near enough of this. the whole thing blew up in their faces. and now they are worried about kash patel as the nominee for the fbi. kash patel wrote about going after people who conducted themselves in certain ways. we cannot haven't fbi director excuse me, we just did. we had a senior fbi targeting people we had it going on and our intelligence agencies we had it comi

. the fbi.u very much indeed for keeping us i the fbi. take you very much l indeed for keeping us updated on that story tonight. us secretary of state antony blinken testified in front of the house foreign affairs committee about the hurried us withdrawal from afghanistan in which 13 us service members were killed. blinken's testimony comes nearly three months after the committee voted to put blinken in contempt of court if he did not appear before the panel to discuss their investigation. the republican—led committee released a lengthy report about a years—long investigation into the us's exit from afghanistan. republicans on the committee accused the biden administration of misleading the public about the end of the 20—year war. here's mr blinken explaining the events leading up blinken says he firmly believes the decision to withdraw was the decision to withdraw was the right one. american troops are no longer fighting and dying in afghanistan. the fightin

by shutting down fbi headquarters? you kidding me? that is just for starters. what should not be lost in this conversation is the role and test for senate republicans. how are they going to choose to handle these extremist nominations? will they be loyal to their oath of office? loyal to the constitution? or loyal to donald trump? every time he says neal and they say how fast? >> sounds like you are a definitive no for kash patel. do you think there are republicans on the committee who would join you and other democrats in requiring background checks in order to move forward? >> i would like to think so from our conversations. behind closed doors, those who want to respect the process. i have seen a lot on national news of late, there is a lot he and i may not agree on in terms of policy, but the way he has approached the process is a little bit encouraging. he's not on the committee. and so, it will be a test for the members of the judiciary committee whether anybody appoints the fbi, the attorney general who oversees

the military as a nation at the fbi, the same fbi that went aft.old until my goodness might there bghe retribution? excuse me? yes, yes, yes, donald trump is against democracy. we hear, we are all for democracy before elections, let the majority win. we have to tone it down. excuse me, you at least holy hell.or ths,e fbi, cia, federal prosecutors, local prosecutors, local courts.y, you did everything criminally, simply, impeachment, specialin councils go to get throughugh everything and even more than the kitchen sink but the whole toilet bowl and everything you have and how donald trump won because the american peoplewe said, not only do we find him not guilty, we find you guilty. we've had damn near enough of this. tell the whole thing blew up in their faces. and now look at they are rightea about kash patel as the nominee for the fbi. kash patel may have an enemy's list. kash patel what about goingn after people conducted themselves and wwa.e can't haven fbi director -- excuse me, we just did. we just had an fbi director targeting people. we had

a lot of them like it, because some of the people that were in the fbi or are currently in the fbi thoughtore political, and then there are some that are in there, saying wait a second, this is not the norm, this is someone that trump is going to be able to call, and the fbi's independence is going to go away, so, i think that relates to the bigger tomorrow within the bureau, and i think it came from actually under bob mueller, where headquarters started taking a bigger percent of how the fbi did things. for that, it was all in the field. and when you do that, when you bring it back to d.c., i think things get more political, instead of the field office is running all the investigations, and i think you're seeing something that has been happening over years now culminating. >> about rob, for those who are concerned that the fbi is becoming more political, and the last hour, i spoke with christopher o'leary who said the general consensus is if anything, it has tilted to the right is that the direction that people are suggesting? >> i think the bureau has always been more conservative in tha

so looking at this has been a big year for the fbi. you have really -- the department has been more aggressive at taking on cyberadver saries. what has changed in the world and what has gotten us here? tell us about the approach. >> first, thank you for doing the panel with me and the chat. it is a privilege to join you all for the 15th annual summit and thank you to billington cybersecurity for having us here. when i think of the idea of an aggressive approach, i think that is historically, we have been around for a long time, the fbi, that's a hallmark of our approach to everything that we do, whether it is battling violent criminal gangs or taking down child predators, preventing acts of terrorism, or going against spies, we take that and we have applied that in the cyberrealm. now our cyber division has been in place for over 20 years now. it has really been an evolution. i think it is a matter of keeping up, adapting, and working to stay as we all are ahead of the threat, being preventive but in instances where bad things occur, t

doj and the fbi people looking at mar-a-lago. what do next and bluntly whether or not to carry out the first ever search of a former president's. they had been arguing for weeks about this and they going to this meeting it devolves into a shouting match. they're screaming at each. they don't trust each other. and the head of the washington field office for the fbi is named stephen don tano. he spoke to me on the record. he in the end of the meeting, he just says, i am not searching mar-a-lago. we're rushing this. and his it wasn't he was in tank for trump. what i found that these career people tend to be biased towards their own institution, towards their tribe. and he arguing if we do this search where it's we're into trump's m.o. we're into his conspiracy theory of the evil jackbooted fbi searching marla, go on the other side. there were more senior fbi officials and most of the just department officials who were like he has had a year. he has had more time than an average american gets. we have to uphold the rule of law and. t

also, the fbi does other stuff. there's a story by david ignatius about kash patel i think from 2021. just about how he kind of almost screwed up this rescue operation to rescue, i believe it was a missionary in nigeria just through oversight and incompetence. there's the kind of political persecution part, but also just the fact that he, we will all be more dangerous to have someone like this in that position. >> can i talk to you about this, mary? you are an insider with the department of justice. we know that president biden chose to keep wray on again to honor that tradition of having fbi directors serve for ten-year terms. also, an effort to restore trust between the bureau and the white house. what will it mean for the relationship between the bureau and the white house if donald trump is successful in installing patel as director of the fbi? >> well, it just shows that the fbi is now going to be used as a tool, right, just to undertake whatever sort of political whims that the incoming president wishes. that

and the trust of the american people, they do not trust the fbi and i tell you half of the fbi reallyeeds to happen they needed new director to come in their internally to the employee say we are broken i realize there's a lot of people doing amazing work at the fbi but there's a portion that is run the reputation for the entire organization and this must stop now not just to gain the morell of the fbi employees but want to go internally and say we have a problem, christopher wray continues to testify before congress over and over say everything is great at the fbi, nothing to see here, the fbi employees are not buying at the broken people are not buying it but for ship to address it internally with your employees and go to the public and say we have made many, many mistakes our boss is you the american people. at the fbi they had the same the needs of the bureau is not the needs of the bureau at the needs of the american people you should be able to trust your fbi that they're knocking to be able to come after you because your conservative or republican or you support trump that's no

again, i have no idea why the fbi can't give us some answers, but understand this is the same fbi that can't tell us who planted the pipe bombs on january 6th. this same fbi can't tell us who leaked the dobbs decision. and this is the same. fbi can't tell us who put cocaine at the white house. so, again, i don't know, maybe if they were focused more on their fundamental mission, maybe things would be different. but the good news is, i think the guy who's president trump has nominated is going to clean things up. >> i hope you're right. but we do have known terrorists in the country. we have cartel members in the country. we have murderers. we have rapists, we have violent criminals in the country. and getting rid of them first. that is going to be a monumental task. even though we know they're here, we don't know where they are. finding them is going to be a hard job. jim jordan, great to see you. scary times when we come back. wait until you see what jill biden said this time. that has a lot of people definitely thinking jill biden voted for donald trump. we'll check in. joe concha, e

the fbi did not publicize the only way you could see this change was sent down the fbi updated crime data compared to the previous year. fbi disclose the revision and a footnote to the 2023 crime in the nation survey stated the original 2022 numbers have been updated. this updated include thousands of murders, rapes, other violent crimes originally omitted from the fbi crime data. fbi did not mention the significant data at revision in the september 2024 press release about violent crime data for 2023. fbi revision of violent crime data confirms with the committee oversight is shown. biden/continues to escalate local policymakers in the interest of criminals over the needs of their communities. radical pro- criminal policies include defining the police, belt reform, make it harder to violent offenders behind bars and keep them out of american neighborhoods. the biden/harris administration claims crime is down reported 40% of americans said 2023 they are afraid to walk alone at nights, even within very close proximity of their home. that is the highest percentage in 30 years. the init

and the trust of the american people, they do not trust the fbi and i tell you half of the fbi reallytrust the fbi internally, what needs to happen they needed new director to come in their internally to the employee say we are broken i realize there's a lot of people doing amazing work at the fbi but there's a portion that is run the reputation for the entire organization and this must stop now not just to gain the morell of the fbi employees but want to go internally and say we have a problem, christopher wray continues to testify before congress over and over say everything is great at the fbi, nothing to see here, the fbi employees are not buying at the broken people are not buying it but for ship to address it internally with your employees and go to the public and say we have made many, many mistakes our boss is you the american people. at the fbi they had the same the needs of the bureau is not the needs of the bureau at the needs of the american people you should be able to trust your fbi that they're knocking to be able to come after you because your conservative or republica

now patel has been tapped to lead the fbi.ch this. >> i would shut down the fbi hoover building on day one. and reopening the next day -- as a museum of the deep state same thing with doj bringing in the right people you have to shrink government. people need to know there's a deweaponization of the department of justice and that in my opinion is how congress can most importantly secure the trust or resecure the trust of the agencies and departments. >> we have team coverage tonight madeleine rivera is live at white house but first we're going get to live to west palm beach florida where mark meredith travels with the president. hi, mark. >> julie good evening to you president-elect trump excuse me, president-elect trump is repeatedly criticized the fbi saying they are corrupt and full of political malpractice now he's hoping that his new nominee to head the bureau will be able to overhaul the nation's premier law enforcement agency. now kash patel and trump go back a ways and somebody served as a public defender, a staffer on

now patel has been tapped to lead the fbi. watch this. >> i would shut down the fbi hoover building on day one. and reopening the next day -- as a museum of the deep state same thing with doj bringing in the right people you have to shrink government. people need to know there's a deweaponization of the department of justice and that in my opinion is how congress can most importantly secure the trust or resecure the trust of the agencies and departments. >> we have team coverage tonight madeleine rivera is live at white house but first we're going get to live to west palm beach florida where mark meredith travels with the president. hi, mark. >> julie good evening to you president-elect trump excuse me, president-elect trump is repeatedly criticized the fbi saying they are corrupt and full of political malpractice now he's hoping that his new nominee to head the bureau will be able to overhaul the nation's premier law enforcement agency. now kash patel and trump go back a ways and somebody served as a public defender, a staffe

it be the deputy director of the fbi normally under the succession rules of the fbi, it would be the deputy director but with president-elect trump indicating that he wants somebody who is loyal to him, there is i have a question and i think there is a question as to whether or not he would accept the normal succession. the deputy director, or whether he would use some loopholes that exist in the law to reach into government and find other people that he think would be more aligned with what he wants to see done in the bureau. >> interesting development indeed lance trover is still with us lance. it's not just democrats who are slamming this pick. this is how trump's deputy national security adviser, trump's deputy national security advisor charles kupperman, who worked closely with patel during the first term of the trump administration described the selection to the wall street journal. let me quote he's absolutely unqualified for this job. he's untrustworthy. he's an absolute disgrace to american citizens to even consider an individual of this nature. how do you respond to that? >