as for george wallace, i mean, i knew george wallace. my first experience as a journalist in 1967 at university of oregon i spent five days with george wallace. george wallace towards the end of political career, called aids and was in a sad mood. he was in his wheelchair smoking a cigar and he said i'm so sorry, i'm afraid i'm going to hell and his aide said, you're not going to hell, you were born-again christian, you're going to heaven. you don't have to worry about this. george said, you know i flew those planes in japan i sent those bombs for those people but i don't fear for that, i fear i'm going to hell because i said things that killed people. i said things that killed people and so he did. his word set off people like shelton, set off the clan. george wallace worked with the clan. he did the dirty work for the white establishment that must never be forgotten in the beginning of the 20th century there are 180 black people who could vote in alabama, the white politically establishment couldn't stand that so new constitution was p

george wallace was understanding the white working class in the south. so i think he cynically took this issue. the same thing is true with muslims. not a lot of muslims in this country. maybe a little bit more of a possibility. there is that parallel. george wallace needed violent or the potential violence at his rallies. he wanted to have protesters there. he didn't want to break out, but he wanted to come close. trump did that. trump has backed off from that. the third part of it is both george wallace and donald trump is not just about races. george wallace when i spent that week in 67, the newspapers in the north were talking about him just as a racist. the first piece i wrote saying more than that. these white working class people are showing up to these rallies are afraid they are being left by. why is donald trump so popular question or because the kind of white folks, not just white folks, but we don't even like to use the word working class, that the inequality. they were a democrat overwhelmingly. they felt betrayed. many of them moved through

george wallace had run in 64, 68, 72, 76, but in 1980, first time in 1980, the segregationist, george wallace was not on the presidential ballot. so ronald reagan took that trip there, basically to mop up any remaining george wallace vote that might still be hanging around in the deep south, in a place like philadelphia, mississippi. that was famous for exactly what philadelphia, mississippi, is famous for. and come november that year, ronald reagan did win mississippi. he won mississippi over jimmy carter that year by one point. so maybe that trip was worth it for ronald reagan, for swing-state mississippi in 1980. well, this year, 2016, mississippi is no longer a swing state, to say the least. but this week, as the democratic party held its nominating convention for hillary clinton in philadelphia, pennsylvania, donald trump jr turned up in the other philadelphia. he turned up this week in philadelphia, mississippi, at the neshoba county fair. >> crowning national convention may be under way, but that doesn't stopping donald trump from trying to steal the spotlight. thank you for jo

at the same time, we have the worst republican nominee since george wallace. we have somebody who is so dangerous, in a number of ways, not the least of which is his attacks on the press. his pulling press credentials. the first amendment says freedom of the press. he attacks the press regularly. i'm kind of focused on the job

. >> there was a third-party candidate in this election, george wallace.lace was not affected by the vietnam issue. he was going to have a certain amount of support in the south come what may. >> there's not a dime's worth of difference in either one of the two parties. and if they don't give the people a choice, we're going to give them a choice by having a new party. >> it was just a plain, ordinary, anti-government streak in him. it was his act. you bastards in washington are not going to tell me what to do. >> and you anarchists had better have your day now, because i tell you again, you're through after november 5th in this country. see ya! when you're living with diabetes. steady is exciting. oh this is living baby! only glucerna has carbsteady, to help minimize blood sugar spikes. and try new glucerna hunger smart to help you feel full. okay! fun's over. milk! milk! milk! milk! milk! aw. aw. ♪ thirsty? my friend said i had to earn my way to the cool table. oh, sweet jamie. you got to stick up for yourself, like with the name your price tool. people

independent candidate george wallace finished third in the race.portion of the speech is just under 40 minutes. our coverage is from nbc news. ♪ hubert humphrey:

trump has not gone full george wallace on this issue yet. there have been comparisons to wallace and nixon. is hillary clinton the hubert humphrey? as you pointed out at the beginning, richard nixon won that race. the key was he won when there was a scared, white, silent majority as he called it. whereat we have now demographics have changed a lot. we said is there anything trump has done that put you on the defensive and made your job harder? the crafting of that speech today puts them in a position where they have to figure out how to respond. they may figure it out. but trump saying he is the law and order candidate is something they will have to look at and say how will we respond. we have not heard from hillary clinton yet on that. one doesn't want to make these things too schematic or two black and white. the criticism that the remedy trump is providing to obama, you also hear that from those on the left who criticize obama for trying to strike a balance when he andeir point of view hillary clinton should be staking out a strong argume

al: maybe nixon, but also george wallace. he has always been comfortable playing the race card. tensions get inflamed, in this country he will no doubt , do it again and perhaps to his advantage. john: talk about that a little bit, al. the nixon context, the country was very different. i'm talking about the way the country has changed and the way in which that rhetoric may be less potent given a browner america than it was when richard nixon did it. al: it's a more diverse america and in some ways a more tolerant america. it was the vietnam war, too. if not a perceived breakdown of law and order at home, it was the sense that country was out of control, and in many ways, far more so than is the case today. i think it was a more appealing issue back then and to an extent, nixon split vote. i don't think that vote would be as big this time. mark: last week was a bewildering, upsetting series of events for the country. i'm wondering what you think tomorrow means for president, president bush will be at the service. i wonder what kind of context it is for what needs to happen tomorr

>> you'd have to go back to the george wallace campaign. people tend to forgot george wallace was at least mildly successful in 1968, and 1972. >> won a number of states. >> that's the closest we've come to having this kind of campaign. it's been almost 50 years ago but 1960 is the closest to what we're experiening in 2016. most americans alive today were not alive in 1968 and those that were don't remember. the country really felt wrecked at the time. anti-war demonstrations, assassinations not only of president john kennedy, robert kennedy, martin luther king, there were race riots in the streets. this is the closest parallel we have, not an exact parallel by any stretch of the imagine nation. there was no social media in 1968, that made a big difference here. getting back to the platform, it occurs to me, i think the democratic platform now as it is formed jerks hillary clinton some what to the left. i operate under the creed of beware of pastries, easy credit and politicians promises particularly on platforms. >> the big question for al

moved as were all of you by the appearance in this convention hall of the governor of alabama, george wallace. [applause] his votes in the primaries showed clearly the depth of discontent in this country, and his courage in the face of pain and adversity is the mark of a man of boundless will. [applause] all of us despise the senseless act that disrupted his campaign. governor, we pray for your full recovery so you can stand up and speak out for all of those who see you as their champion. [applause] in the months ahead, i deeply covet the help of every democrat , of every republican, of every independent who wants this country to be the great and good land that it can be. [applause] this is going to be a national campaign carried to every part of the nation, north, south, east, and west. we are not conceding a single state to richard nixon. [applause] i should like to say to my that ohio maying have passed a few times in this convention, but tom eggleton and i are not going to pass ohio. [applause] i shall say to governor gilligan, ohio is sometimes a votes,slow in coming the but when those v

george wallace was a proud democrat.democratic nomination. >> thanks god he glost. >> let's be clear of his party. in terms of the convention, it was a success. i agree with manafort, it wasn't doom and gloom. 70% of the country thinks the ton is on the wrong track. 5 a 6% think that hillary clinton should have been indicted. i don't think this is a time for sunshine and roses. i think this fit the serious mood that the country's in. and the desire for >> he just laid out two of the big challenges for hillary clinton this week. >> absolutely. my fear is that we're going to have -- the american public won't get the porridge that is just right. the republicans spent way too much time etch sizing that the country is off on the wrong frac and the people believe the american dream is dying or dead. that's a true statement. the democrats have to be careful not the swing the exact opposite way. everything is great. keep going. keep the status quo. the public is in the middle. they want to hear, yaeah, it's problem. understand w

independent candidate george wallace finished third in the race. this portion of the speech is just under 40 minutes. our coverage is from nbc news. ♪ mr. chairman,y: mr. chairman, my fellow americans, my fellow democrats, i proudly accept the nomination of our party. [applause] hubert humphrey: this moment, this moment is one of personal pride and gratification, yet one cannot help but reflect the deep sadness that we feel over the troubles which have erupted and the violence which have erupted regrettably and tragically in the streets of this great city. and for the personal injuries which have occurred. [applause] hubert humphrey: surely, we have now learned the lessons that violence breeds counter violence , and it cannot be condoned of whatever the source. [applause] hubert humphrey: i know that every delegate to this convention shares tonight my sorrow and my distress over these incidents. for just one moment in sober reflection and serious purpose, may we just quietly and , each in our own way, pray for our country and may we just share for

maybe a combination of nixon but even more like george wallace.ways been comfortable playing the race card. as you know, that's what the birther issue was all about. if racial tensions get inflamed in this country, he will no doubt do it again and perhaps to his advantage. >> talk about that a little bit, just -- the nixon context, country was very different in 1968 than it is in 2016. talk about the way in which the country's changed and the way in which that rhetoric may be less potent given a browner america than it was when richard nixon did it. >> well, it's a more diverse america and in some ways, a more tolerant america. also, the context of '68 was the vietnam war, too. so it wasn't just any breakdown of law and order, perceived breakdown at home. it was the whole sense that the country was out of control. really, in many ways, far more so than is the case today. so i think it was a more appealing issue back then and wallace and to an extent nixon split that vote. i don't think that vote will be as big this time. >> al, last week was a bew

>> in 1968, we had a third-party candidate who did pretty well named george wallace, the governor ofbama who ran a based oncist campaign, a racist backlash to civil rights. they were fights outside when he held rallies. and he used the same kind of incendiary rhetoric. that was a candidate, not a main candidate, but a third-party candidate who did a little of what trump did, and it was certainly a contentious period, the 1960's, probably more than we have today. tom: of course, this is a historic moment now. officially, hillary clinton is the democratic party's candidate to run in november. americanink, are people excited about the fact they could elect for the very first time a woman? many would say about time. >> it's funny. i don't think many people have processed that historic nature of the candidacy, as they should. everyone has been so focused on donald trump, and what has been a remarkably odd campaign here in the united states, unexpected in so many ways, that they have glossed over that fact. i do think that last night that was really highlighted, and i think there was a mom

i mean, i remember when george wallace was running, you know, out of mississippi. all of the frustrations were polite people, would not talk about racism, would not talk about they think the blacks were moving too fast. there has been a lot of that in the united states of america. there's been resentment to a black president of the united states, even though people don't like talking about it. there has be you know it, to immigrants if they didn't come from europe. and it's just been boiling and boiling. you find somebody that's willing to pull the scabs off of all of it and allows someone to say, "well, he speaks for me," well, it's not america, but it is the poison that we all have a little bit in us and it's just boiling over. it is not donald trump. it's the frustrations of america in not believing in themselves, not believing that the country's giving them a fair share, and going for anybody, anybody, bigoted or not, that's willing to express the anger that they feel. that's not america, but it is the democratic process. >> you've been in new york for so many

mississippi went for the segregationist george wallace in the presidential election in

because of that, he will lose like other hatemongers like george wallace.s joe in denver. >> thank you for taking my call. i really enjoyed the convention. , i come from is west africa, the vision of the united states, i'm proud of the positive message that was given tonight. wins andat hillary becomes the next president. i do enjoy, especially with elizabeth warren, i love her message and how she was very clear about being positive and encouraging everybody to come together as one. i enjoyed that. i give her 100%. rate. -- great. susan: thank you so much for coming. clintoner said hillary -bernick would have made a much better one. he is the best. he speaks from the heart. steve is back on the floor. steve: with two delegates supporting bernie sanders. let me begin with you. your reaction to your home state senator's speech. >> at thought it was great. he hit on all of the platform issues, the policy issues that got him here. he was able to articulate everything clearly. kind of wrap up the campaign to this point and one of the great things about this all

and i think that trump has definitely tapped on that pulse in the same way george wallace did and the gold water did. and just like the two of them, we're going to make sure that he never gets to the white house. you know, i think that there is so much more good in oh our country and that is really what we need to focus on. >> are we recognizing all of the right people, all of the faces in this country? we're seeing the philadelphia police union condemn. the clinton campaign for having speakers of fallen african-americans, but there is no representation from some of the families of the officers killed. are we considering everyone? >> you know what, if you look at the hall of the democratic convention, i think you see all of america. and you compare that to what you saw last week where you saw just part of america. i think it's great that we are going to honor and acknowledge the mothers tonight, the mothers of the movement. and you know, the violence when you're talking about in our country, you're talking about it coming from a variety of different directions, and i think that people

that was the big issue for george wallace, the third party candidate that year, but also for richard in his acceptance speech at his convention in miami said, when you have unprecedented violence he said, of the kind we have seen, that's time for new leadership. >> rachel here in new york. >> hi, rachel. >> good to have you with us. there was an interview on "60 minutes," the first interview with his running mate, mike pence and i want to play a clip of this because i'm wondering if you can give us any historical analogy or context for a presidential candidate and his running mate, having a really fundamental difference on an issue that we thought the presidential candidate wanted to run on. this is about the iraq war, obviously. donald trump has been going after hillary clinton for having voted for the iraq war. mike pence also voted for and vocally supported the iraq war. they were asked about that tonight, and i want to play that clip and i would love to hear if this reminds of you anything or if this is brand new. here we go. >> when the world trade center is coming down, people

it's george wallace. we have to go back to the wallace campaign in the 60s to hear some anti-semitic and racist rhetoric. the bottom line is this. he should just admit the offense, apologize and say and i think this would satisfy all of the public on the right and the left, just say white supremacists, extreme right, you have no place in my campaign, hate has no place in the public square, you have nothing to do with making america great again. if donald trump would say that clearly, unequivocally -- >> he has. >> -- this issue would be over. >> he has said that directly? >> after the whole interview with jake tapper, he came out a multiple number of times and said i do not want the support of anyone involved with the kkk or david duke. it the people who want to caricaturize him that -- >> you'll get the first word on the other side. that's why i drink the champagne of beers. ♪ is it a force of nature? or a sales event? the summer of audi sales event is here. hello welcome to holiday inn. running our own

, donald trump not for the first time talking about law and order, that was the big issue for george wallace, the third party candidate that year, but also for richard nixon, who, in his acceptance speech at his convention, miami, said, when you have unprecedented violence, he said, of the kind we've seen, that's time for new leadership. >> my thoughts, rachel here. it's good to have you with us. there's an interview tonight on "60 minutes", first big media interview for donald trump and his running mate, mike pence, and i want to play you a bit of this, not because i want punditry reaction, but i wonder if you can give us historical context for a presidential candidate and his running mate having a really fundamental difference on an issue that we thought the presidential candidate wanted to run on. this is about the iraq war. obviously donald trump has been going after hillary clinton for having voted for the iraq war. mike pence also voted for and vocally supported the iraq war. they were asked about that contradiction tonight on "60 minutes". i want to play that clip for you, and i'd lov

order -- >> law and order is a dog whistle to blacks, it started in the nixon administration, george wallaceard nixon used it. >> we need a world where we don't talk about how blacks feel about certain politicians. >> when blacks are treated equally in the criminal justice system, maybe we don't have to say black lives matter. >> thank you, guys. >> great conversation. >>> how much money is being spent on this whole thing in cleveland? who benefits from it? we'll break down the numbers. >>> plus which easy one. was old hickory. go to your history books, folks. come back for the answer, next. ♪ real is touching a ray. amazing is moving like one. real is making new friends. amazing is getting this close. real is an animal rescue. amazing is over twenty-seven thousand of them. there's only one place where real and amazing live. book a seaworld vacation package and eat free. the full value of your totaled new car. the guy says, "you picked the wrong insurance plan." no, i picked the wrong insurance company. with new car replacement™, we'll replace the full value of your car plus depreciation. li

george wallace slightly more muted than that in 1968.y were never able to get nominated by a major party. that's what makes donald trump's situation so interesting and novel. >> sreenivasan: beverly gage, one of the things that came up at least historical, doing searches for this, the daisy ad, lbj campaign, one of the most striking one minute ads we have ever seen, a little girl picking petals, and we zoom into her eyeball and see this atomic explosion with the narrator coming up. >> that was a lyndon johnson ad targeting barry goldwater. came one of the most shock political ads, which suggested if you vote for barry goldwaiter you would get a nuclear holocaust. the establishment didn't like goldwater at all, they thought he was an extremist, using violent rhetoric, taking groups like the john bimp society, really -- birch society, divided the party, one thing that we are going to see playing out now is just how much control does a party have over its own nominee. >> sreenivasan: michael beschloss does selling fear work? >> it sometimes

george wallace was running for president.ied to exploit that and say the rioting that's happened is an example of the need for people to realize that i'm right in saying there is a big need for law and order. we are not seeing that here this week. sometimes you have to be grateful for what you are not seeing. i think one thing if you go through the entire history is that the way we've dealt with a week like this best is when we take a moment to absorb this and then decide what to do. that was easier at the time of george washington. if you wanted to argue with george washington, you would either have to get on your horse and go see him, that would take days, or write a letter, which would sometime take weeks. the result was if the democracy had a moment to take a breath and do this with some deliberation. one advantage we have got that at the didn't have in those days, because of our means of communication nowadays, we can have the kind of national conversation about this that was impossible at the beginning. >> we also throu

the course of 400 years, have dealt with all kinds of blowhards, whether we''re talking about george wallaceothers. we know how to deal with the donald trumps. so it is not about who we are voting against, but rather, who we are voting for. amy: thank you for being with us , dr. jawanza karriem colvin. that does it for our show. i will be doing a report back from the conventions after tupac weeks of coverage come on friday, july 29, in massachusetts. and then saturday, july 30, from martha's vineyard. check our website for the latest from

. >>> on an historical level i've been kpiecomparing donald trump george wallace.re elements of the pat buchanan. where do you see the antecedent to what donald trump is doing? >> i would say more nixon than reaganesque for sure. and i think the law and order piece of this is really really important. when you think about what law and order means to different populations in america, like to black folks and people of color and poor folks, law and order is a history of nixonian politics really put in place a sort of police state reaction to the civil rights movement that evolved into the mass incarceration and aggressive policing tactics and evolved into the militarization of the police itself. it sounds for pessimistic. people looking for reform that looks like leer moving in the wrong direction. but the reality is trump is a figure unto himself. and every time we try to situate him in a particular historical context it doesn't make any sense pause he's not playing by that rule book. >> and ben, you know, you had some republicans who are of the really steeped in reag

degree no major party nominee in memory, really no nominee for president from any party, since george wallace ran as a third-party candidate in 1968. there was the answer to jake tapper on the sunday before super tuesday when he clearly refused to disavow david duke. there was gary johnson, quoting paul ryan, quoted the condemnation of a u.s.-born hispanic job as a mexican who couldn't do his job. there's this tweet, which originated in a white supremacist website, and he's retweeted other tweets from those kinds of sources before. trump has had a consistent pattern. if you look, i think it has clearly cost him in the polls. i think his two biggest personal vulnerabilities are questions about temperament and preparation, also the perception on a big part of the electorate that he is consciously stoking racial division. >> in many corners, his polling has dropped as a result of all those things you just listed, particularly after the judge didn't really seem to take a particular hit. then you listen to donald trump. when he's losing he says, polling, it doesn't even matter. of course when the

mississippi went for the segregationist george wallace in the presidential election in 1968.hen four years after that, 1972, mississippi went for the republican, richard nixon. then four years after that, in 1976, mississippi went for the democrat, for jimmy carter. so four years after that, in 1980, it was, admittedly, hard to predict how mississippi was going to go that year. you couldn't really see mississippi in 1980 as a solidly

what donald trump did is what donald trump does best, which is this 1968 george wallace type rhetoricwhich we attempt to divide the country even further. speaking of 1968, i would challenge donald trump just to read a book, go back to tom brokaw's boom 1968, the death of king, kennedy, you have the kent state shooting. our country has seen these things before, we're not more divided, but we've always had to deal with these issues of racial strife. god bless us all, he may be president of the united states, but if he is, he's going to have to do a better job with his language, because right now he's part of the problem we're attempting to solve. >> was today the day? a day when everyone just felt a sinking feeling, right, that how can this happen again? that this has to stop. why come out and talk about how divided the country is. >> what he wants to talk about is the support of the law enforcement community. he's talked about that a lot. he's been a candidate who i think in general the law enforcement community has supported. he wants to show his support of this community. look, we ha

we have seen the george wallaces and people like that but never seen a major party candidate that is this ill prepared and this divisive. and this angry and this hateful. >> but what was interesting about i think what "all in the family" tackled is you tackled the generational struggle and culture wars where this is late '70s. culture wars. to me we are in a similar moment. we've add lot of cultural change in this country and some people that think it happened too fast. >> well, we've had cultural change but oddly enough some of the same arguments we've been having are the same ones. still arguing about race. i've talked about this many times but the civil war ended and it wasn't a hundred years until johnson passed the civil rights act. >> all men created equal. >> and the conversation about race and race and divide was tapped down aun put underground. and then donald trump comes along, starting with the birther stuff and unearths all of these feelings that have been kind of submerged for a long time. and it is very scary to me. >> it is interesting though. did it tell you, because

. > what did you think of your fellow southern governor george wallace of alabama and what he was doing at that time? linwood: i was tolerant of george and he became a fairly good friend as a matter of fact because we overlapped together for several years. i understood his situation. he was in alabama and had an electorate that was much more segregated than we had in virginia. he could not have done what i did and i understood that but i recognized that he was wrong but that he could not help t. we got along fine. i do not think he was offended by the activity that i led in virginia. there were some who did. i remember some of the republican activists who had supported my election in virginia were very offended because of my position on race. i did not let that bother me either. >> there was a story that the -- that had spiroing a nure stepped down, "the washington post" had a piece prepared that you were going to be richard nixon's choice to be his vice president. linwood: i think it was an effort are some of the right-wingers in the nixon and illustration to embarrass me in the washin

that word, that terrible -- >> no, because i was lucky enough not to be born around the time of george wallaceld have hit the bell, rang the bell. >> if there's tim kaine, there's going to be some sustained criticism. >> what do you think it will look like as we report next week? do you expect a nominee -- will there put a name in nomination to challenge him on the roll call next week in philadelphia? >> no. the democratic party is very focused on unity, particularly after watching melania and ted cruz last week. i don't think that will happen. hillary clinton is running a campaign that she should have run two decades ago, maybe another woman, do something that was more -- elections today are about turning out your base and it's not clear tim kaine is the right person necessarily to really inspire the base. that's where i think -- >> you're right. go ahead. >> i actually disagree. >> go ahead. >> to cornell's point, senator kaine is very well-respected among the base. those are the activists. they are going to volunteer every day. >> moderate women, not all democrats, republican women who live

. >> host: what did you think of your fellow southern governor george wallace in alabama and what he was doing it at this time? >> guest: oh, i was tolerant of george. he became a fairly fairly good friend as a matter fact because we overlap together for several years. but i understood his situation, he was in alabama and he had an electorate that was much more segregationist than we had in virginia. he he could not have done what i did. and i understood that. but i recognize that he was wrong and he could not admit it but he cannot help it. we got along fine. i do not think he was offended by the objective that i lead in virginia, there were some who did. i remember some of the republicans activists who had supported my election in virginia who are very offended because my position on race. but i do not let that bother me either. >> host: there is a story that the washington post had a piece prepared that you were going to be richard nixon's choice to be vice president.

"the name of the honorable george corley wallace ..." "the honorable shirley chissom!" "and i nominate senator of the presidency of the united states, george mcgovern." the 1972 quixotic nomination of the senator from south dakota was a bit strange from the start. "we've spent 150 billion on the vietnam war alone." he began his campaign polling at only one or two percent across the country. he had zero political operation and it seemed like almost the entire democratic establishment was against him. "it's a wage price formula ..." but come july, 1972, mcgovern's grassroots campaign had buried the competition "mcgovern. democrat." and all facets of the democratic party were convening in miami. "good evening. the democratic convention meets tonight in hopes of choosing the man to replace richard nixon in the white house, next january. by the last count, five names to be put before the convention." those five names did not make much of a dent to mcgovern's 1757 delegates but that didn't stop those on the left or the right from organizing resistance to the mcgovern camp. a g

george w. bush nicolle wallace. also bbc world news matter katty kay.snbc political analyst eugene robinson. we have so much to talk about as far as a lot of polls out. the race is changing by the moment. but speaking of politic, let's talk katy kay about what's happening in britain very quickly. you think it's crazy here -- >> you think it's crazy here, try our politics at the moment. >> you have the new prime minister. >> david cameron is packing his bags as we speak. he'll be out of 10 do you think street by wednesday evening. the person who is going to replace him teresa may has been in charge of homeland security. you like her, she's in the conservative party. >> i hear she's a moderate. >> more of a moderate. here is an interesting thing. she voted to stay in the european union and now has to lead the campaign to leave it. our politics is mad. >> it is mad right now. nicole, speaking of mad politics, jeb bush telling you why he was not doing to vote in november. talk about how jeb was and just ort of the temperature there regarding the republican

only in twitter but these public remarks that's unprecedented in american politics since the george wallace68. >> on the democrat side, which you've been covering, hillary clinton is trying to tamp down her own controversy. a three and a half hour interview with the fbi on saturday. it's possible there are not going to be charges. in the end, does that make everything go away for her or is it just there's already a lot of damage done so that doesn't even matter. >> i think there's damage. i don't think you'll see this completely wiped away for her. it does feed into this broader narrative that's been built up over the years around her and her husband. they don't play by everyone else's rules. they are people that can't be trusted and we've all heard on the campaign trail this echo from voters and we see that basic pressed in the polls there's this mistrust built up around her. >> it was so extraordinary how she addressed that. hillary clinton admitted this weekend that this was not ideal. her husband met with loretta lynch in phoenix on the tarmac. this went on for about a half hour. at the

. >> for some people, law and order, that's what george wallace said in 1968 when he was running fory, or maybe it was '72. in any case -- >> nixon said it too. >> it means different things to different people. >> we're out of time, unfortunately. we're going to have to get more thoughts, because joe, jonathan, and david will be back later in the show, save those thoughts, you guys will be back. >>> coming up, more from philly voters on what matters to them. stay with us. if you need advice for your business, legalzoom has your back. our trusted network of attorneys has provided guidance to over 100,000 people just like you. visit legalzoom today. the legal help you can count on. legalzoom. legal help is here. to folks out there whose diabetic nerve pain... shoots and burns its way into your day, i hear you. to everyone with this pain that makes ordinary tasks extraordinarily painful, i hear you. make sure your doctor hears you too! i hear you because i was there when my dad suffered with diabetic nerve pain. if you have diabetes and burning, shooting pain in your feet or hands, don'

it's george wallace.e wallace campaign in the '60s to hear some anti-semitic and racist rhetoric. the bottom line is this. he should just admit the offense, apologize and say and i think this would satisfy all of the public on the right and the left, just say white supremacists, extreme right, you have no place in my campaign, hate has no place in the public square, you have nothing to do with making america great again. if donald trump would say that clearly, unequivocally -- >> he has. >> -- this issue would be over. >> he has. but the -- >> he has said that directly? >> yes, he has said that. >> after the whole interview with jake tapper, he came out a multiple number of times and said i do not want the support of anyone involved with the kkk or david duke. or any of this. it the people who want to characterize him as racist and simplify him in this little box -- >> very respectfully, you'll get the first word on the other side. we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ [so i use quickbooks and run mye entire business

george wallace played the race card. and racial uprisings were everywhere.gh summer for relationships between african-americans and police in the country but it's nothing compared to what happened in 1968. there were effectively wars in detroit, omaha, washington, d.c., and here in cleveland in an area known as the neighborhood. the black nationalist had a home here and police suspected he was storing weapons of all kinds. the fight broke out and the fight quickly became a war. it was war so violent cleveland's black mayor barred white police from the neighborhood and brought in the national guard. it didn't work. it went on for three days. nine people were killed. policemen and black nationalists. a major cleveland project to rebuild black neighborhoods started before the uprising came to an abrupt and bloody end. it was that kind of year. the other thing about that time, quite honestly, it was not just all that we're seeing there but there was a cultural revolution. the young people were defying everything their parents stood for, the generation i call the