and i really find that ironic that they can spend money on an aircraft carrier and for gerald ford and yet flint michigan doesn't even have clean drinking water where gerald ford came from they got poisoned water but yet they'll build a new carrier why why is it that the government can afford all the stuff for weapons but yet fall short when it comes to supporting people like you and me when we're done serving in a veteran capacity. yeah that's a really good question and i think any one of us would be really hard pressed to find somebody who has served in the u.s. military and seen combat that would disagree with the idea that money is essentially being wasted on war not that war is a waste of money which could be argued in till the cows come home i understand but that money is being wasted on war and you know we can look at it from two angles on the macro we spend nearly two trillion dollars on a war on terrorism over the last fifteen years that hasn't done much to reduce terror or empower or provide strategic and bandage to anybody who is living under terrorism. and yet it's deal

. >> i'm not sure how you discussed gerald ford, how would you compare and contrast gerald ford as richardnixon vp at a time when everyone thought nixon would be leaving office versus mike pence, vp, while everybody wonders if donald trump is going to last, was ford on -- >> i cover the white house. i was a political reporter before i became a biographer. you have to feel for them. i don't think that ford was too allowed and orchestrating impeachment in the house. so -- and in the last three or four weeks he distanced himself, did not fall on the sword with nixon. we are not at the same moment of time and drama. >> , yes, what do you think would have happened in the 1968 election if george wallace was not a factor, didn't run? >> i think that in the end the number of blue-collar votes that wallace took from rump -- humphrey than less than the number of votes that he took from nixon in the border states and so if he had not run that would have meant that nixon would have taken those border states and humphrey ended uptaking the northern states anyway. probably nixon would have won no matter

i'm not sure how much you discuss gerald ford in your book but how would you compare andyo contrast gerald ford at a time when everyone thought nixon would be leaving office verses mike pence while everyone wonders was -- as obsequious as pence has been? >> might pence has a really tough job and i covered the white house. i was a political reporter for a time before it became a biographer and you have to really feel for them. i don't think ford was to obsequious. he was sending signals. one of them very famously at the time when nixon was under fire. he went out and played golf with tip o'neill at a golf tournament in massachusetts and allowed the photographer, tip o'neill was orchestrating impeachment in the house and allow the photographers to take a picture of ford with his arm around tip. in the last three or four weeks he himself did not talk much with nixon. i hesitate to make many comparisons to trump and tense because we are not at that moment of crisis. >> i think we may be able to take one more question. thank you for your question. >> yes, what do you think happened in the 68 el

he was a gerald ford guy not a ronald reagan guy. so, hopefully by trump taking his case to the public. these anti-growth republicans will get booted out soon and we'll get pro growth people in congress. david: it's clear, rich carlburn, that trump saw the disaster intent to repeal obamacare, said we're not going to do that with taxes and now he's taking charge, even overriding republicans to court some democrats. >> well, he should the point has been made, congressman ryan may be a good guy, but he's a wonk. he's constitutionally incapable of doing something simple. he loves being in the weeds because i think he feels it justifies his existence. look, steve forbes also wrote that if the republicans blow this, they might lose their majority in 2018 elections and if that happens, trump's new friend nancy pelosi will take about five minutes to launch impeachment hearings. david: that's right, that's right, with the house-- with the democrat house, they probably get impeachment hearings. steve, want to forget about your simple post card

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in trying to serve the president's needs or desires that we did not ask those questions. >> i, gerald r. ford grant a full, free, and absolute pardon on to richard nixon for all offenses against the united states which he -- >> president ford's pardon of richard nixon stunned the nation. nixon's legal problems were now over. >> when the president does it, that means that it is not illegal. >> by definition. >> exactly. >> the former president was still not accepting responsibility. three years after resigning nixon was paid to participate in an historic interview with the british television journalist david frost. at the very end, an inevitable question came up. >> do you feel yowl ever obstructed justice or were part of a conspiracy to obstruct justice? >> he would not -- he would not really admit anything, not even mistakes or whatever. he was really stonewalling completely. and he was beginning to look like the haunted nixon of the actual watergate hearings, rather than the californian ex-president. finally, i said to him why don't go further than the word "mistake"? >> what would you expr

ford this new aircraft carrier of that cost billions of dollars we've built i find it interesting gerald ford comes from michigan as a congressman he was never elected v.p. he was never elected president he assumed the position and was appointed to them when he did run he got beat he changed the bullet wound of the warren commission sort of fit the single bullet theory of me admitted that he now gets an aircraft carrier costing billions of dollars named after him while the people of his own state of flint michigan are still drinking polluted poisoned water so it's more important for us to build a mayor craft carrier than to give the people of flint michigan clean water that is a travesty and of course this network has been accused of propaganda we were the first ones in in flint michigan telling the story about the water being tainted and people getting sick from drinking it so is it propaganda if we do a story showing that the american people shouldn't be consuming their water the fact of the matter is corporate america is in the back pockets of county commissioners mayors governors state re

ford this new aircraft carrier of that cost billions of dollars we've built i find it interesting gerald ford comes from michigan as a congressman he was never elected v.p. he was never elected president he assumed the position and was appointed to them when he did run he got beat he changed the bullet wound of the warren commission sort fit the single bullet theory may have made it that he now gets an aircraft carrier costing billions of dollars named after him while the people of his own state of flint michigan are still drinking polluted poisoned water so it's more important for us to build a mayor craft carrier than to give the people of flint michigan clean water that is a travesty and of course this network has been accused of propaganda we were the first ones in in flint michigan telling the story about the water being tainted and people getting sick from drinking it so is it propaganda if we do a story showing that the american people shouldn't be consuming their water the fact of the matter is corporate america is in the back pockets of county commissioners mayors governors state rep

one of the reasons the pentagon after a lot fof pushing and shoving from gerald ford agreed to go along with the treaty was that the pentagon concluded that it was not that essential to the defense of the nation. >> we certainly want to thank adam clymer for a fascinating evening. we are fortunate because this is one of the few opportunities to hear from adam clymer on his book as one who spent time in panama panama. it is a fascinating topic that goes back to teddy roosevelt and before. thank you very much. thank you all for being here and i encourage you to join us in the lobby where he will sign copies of his book. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2017] >> we have a facebook question from peter who says are there any historical resources on the policeman people who died in detroit. >> "detroit free press" -- you could be featured during the next live program. join the conversation on facebook at facebook.com/c-span history. and twitter at c-span history. >> c-span where history unfolds daily. in 1979 c-span was

pentagon, reasons the after a lot of pushing and shoving from gerald ford, agreed to go along with the treaty, was that the pentagon concluded it was not that essential to the defense of the nation. >> we want to thank adam clymer for a fascinating evening. --are fortunate because of because this is one of the few opportunities to hear from adam clymer on his book as one who has spent time in panama. it is a fascinating topic that goes back to teddy roosevelt. thank you all for being here, i encourage you to join us in the lobby where adam clymer will be signing copies of his book. thank you very much. [applause] >> on history bookshelf, here from the country's best-known american history writers of the past decade, every saturday at 4:00 eastern. you can watch any of our programs at any time is when you visit our website, c-span.org/history. you're watching american history tv, all weekend, on c-span3. labor day weekend on american history tv, at 8:00 p.m. eastern, fears about overpopulation. some of the issues talked about at earth day -- decide -- a big one,as pollution, oil and gas

. >> i'm not sure how much you said just gerald ford, but how much would you contrast your old ford and richard nixon at a time when everyone thought nixon would be leaving office versus mike pence has trims vp whileisi everyone wonders, with vs and equally assessed in sin? >> the vice president is a really tough job and i've covered the white house. i was a political reporter for a time before it became ae a biog biographer. you really have to feel for them. i don't think ford was too secret. in the last six months before nixon's resignation, he was sending signals. one of the very famous places when nixon was under fire, he went out and played golf with tip o'neill at a golf tournament in massachusetts and tip o'neill is orchestrating impeachment in the house and allow the photographers to take a picture of ford with his arm around tip. in the last three or four weeks, he distanced himself, did not fall on the sword with nixon. i hesitate to make any comparisons to trump because we are not at that same moment of crisis and drama. >> i think we may build to take one more question. than

for me i've been national security advisor to gerald ford came up to give a talk and it was i was a second-year professor at stanford. he got to know me and he said i want to get to know you better. i was numb for my work on the soviet union of all things. he really mentored me into the field.ed me i often say there is another lesson in that. we also say the role models and mentors who look like you. stil instead my role model in indy my mentors were white men. those were are the people thatte dominated my field.entors j your mentors just head to be people who believe in you.t: so so he have to get a job there. he asked him to be the national security advisor. he said he said the fellow gerber shop is doing some interesting things in the president will need someone to help them sort it out.and as get to be the soviet be specialist at the end of the cold war. i do speak russian. after that administration was over you back. and then when george w. bush was running for president how did you get involved in that., i'm very happy applicanthappy academic. use them my son is think about running thinki

had gerald ford not pardoned richard nixon, that itt task force my eventually have toad to charges against nixon, too. he was caught on tape explaining how he had taken care of that whole itt prosecution at the justice department. that itt case has always been an interesting loose threat. it looms large in the what-if questions what charges could he have faced if ford hadn't pardoned him. it also looms over the too trump with the first use of the pardon power. if trump, as has been reported, if trump in fact tried to get his justice department to quash the federal prosecution of convicted sheriff joe arpaio before he issued him a pardon, then that successful itt task force that was formed by the watergate special prosecutor in the 197 ons, well, that's the model for how the mueller investigation now might expand its inquiries to cover that potential obstruction of justice receipted to the arpaio pardon today. we know that the mueller investigation is already looking to po it tenchal obstruction of justice in the fire of james com comey. we know there's a new wrinkle, and that's coming up c

the relationship between jimmy carter and gerald ford was extraordinary. early daysn the between john adams and thomas jefferson. it does happen. with it, there would be more collaborations if people put their political differences aside and let's work on the causes we both share. >> the back. >> my question has to do with the women. i think there was some evidence that hoover reached out to eleanor roosevelt before the hoover's out of the white house, but i was wondering if there was any response from eleanor roosevelt, anytime she reached out to hoover in your knowledge. mr. walch: one of the interesting challenges or dilemmas -- the relationship between herbert hoover and franklin d roosevelt. and how they responded to one another. it was always through third parties, comments they would make about one another. even when you have a life-changing event. when the president's mother, who lived at the white house, passed away, hoover did not send his condolences to the president, he sent it to eleanor roosevelt. i'm not quite sure if there is a subtext ther

she was echoing a comment made by gerald ford along those same lines. it's really not true.ical decision because it's made by politicians but members are supposed to honor the text and the purpose of this provision. the framers wanted to insulate a president from the changing winds of politics. they didn't want to be able to have a president who could be impeached simply because people disagree with how he views kneeling in the national anthem. that's a dangerous concept. we need to seriously take a breath. >> dana: it's interesting because the left has been calling for impeachment even before he was sworn into office either because of alleged collusion with russia during the campaign, now you even saw after charlottesville some people thought it was insufficient what he said in response to alt right groups or neo-nazis. when it comes to speech you can't impeach somebody for that. >> right. the old adage if you only have a hammer every problem looks like a nail. democrats seem to act like impeachment is their only tool. >> dana: they want to run the nixon playbook over and o

you, working for you and for me brent scowcroft who i had been national security adviser since gerald fordcame up to give a talk. i was the second-year professor at stanford. he got to know me and said i want to get to know you better. i like your work and i was sort of getting my -- not for my work on soviet military involvement. he started taking me to the strategy group and he really mentored me into the field. i often say there's another lesson in that you also say you have to have role models and mentors who look like you. it's great if you do but if isot waited for lack female role model and still be waiting. instead my role model is going to be my mentors were white men. those were the people who dominated my field. i always tell my students now your mentors are people who believe in you and see things in you that you don't necessarily see in yourself. >> said he hoped to get a job under bush 41? >> when george h.w. bush was elected he asked brent, he called me and he said this is 1988 remember gorbachev is doing some interesting things in the soviet union. the president will need s

advocating for you, working for you and for me, broke the law who had been national security advisor to gerald ford came up to stanford to get to talk and i was a second-year professor at stanford and got to know me and he said i want to know you better, i like your work and i was getting new known for my work on the military. so he started taking me to the conferences like the aspen strategy group and he really meant for me into the field and i often say there's another lesson in that, we also say you have to have role models and mentors who look like you. it's great if you do but if i've been waiting for a black female soviet specialist, i'd still be waiting and instead, my role models and indeed my mentors were white men. they were men, those were the people who dominated my field so i always say to my students, your mentors just have to be people who believe in you. and who see things in you that you don't necessarily see in yourself. >> so he helped you get a job on bush 41. >> when george bush was elected he asked me to be a national security advisor and he told me, he said this is 1988 remem

always someonerk advocating for you and for me brent who had been national security advisor to gerald ford came to stanford and gave a talk and i was a second your professor atr stanford and he got to know me and said i want to get to know you better. sort of getting known for my work on the soviet military, so he started taking the two conferences like the aspen strategy group and he really meant toward me into the field and i often say there's another lesson in that. we also say you have to have role models and mentors who look like you hurt its great if you do, but if i waited for a black female specialist role model, i would still be waiting and instead my role model and indeed my mentors were white men. they were old might-- white men, the people who dominated my field, so i we say to my students that your mentors just have to be people who believe in you and see things and you don't necessarily see in yourself. >> so, you got a job on bush 41. >> when george hw bush was elected he has to brent to be a security advisor and brand calledsa me and said, this is 1988 remember, he said the

for you, working for you, and for me, brent scowcroft who had been national security adviser to gerald ford, came out to stanford to give a talk and i was the second year professor at stanford and he got to know me and said i want to get to know you better. i like your work. i was getting anyone for work on the soviet military. so he started taking me to conferences like the as -- as spend strategy group and he mentored me into the field. therapies another lesson in that. we also say you have to have role models and mentors who look like you. it's great if you do but if i'd been waiting for a black female soviet specialist role model i'd still be waiting, and instead my role models and my mentors were white men. they were old white men. those were the people who dominated my field and so i always say to my students now, your mentors just have to be people who believe in you and who see things in you that you don't necessarily see in yourself. >> host: so he helped you get a job on the bush 41 -- >> guest: when george w. bush was elected, he asked front be his national security adviser and b

gerald ford, 158, jimmy carter, 52. ronald reagan -- george w.ush was 491,000 because it just opened. william clinton was at 334. ronald reagan, 383,000 and george h.w. bush 136,000. enough people? anthony: it depends on what you want to do. certainly not enough people in the research rooms. it was difficult for me to self-fund all of these trips and to spend time in the research rooms. but it also depends on what -- as a system what do we want the system to do? do we want it to be a place to attract tourists or a place 20 -- place to preserve and make available the records of the presidency. brian: are these funds tax deductible? anthony: they are not. brian: why not? anthony: as far as donations? it would depend on how they set it up, if it's a nonprofit, then yes. brian: and how much do we know about who contributes? anthony: we only know what's voluntarily disclosed by some of the foundations. there is no law that requires disclosure and there is no law that prohibits donations. brian: why do foreign governments give to these presidential lib

actually, gerald ford gave speeches. he was criticized for taking $10,000 for a speech.cal of this was harry truman who said that anybody who had the honor of being president should not reset -- should not accept renumeration points. david: in her new book, hillary clinton said it was a mistake to accept money from wall street if she was going to run for president. being president, you do have to pay the bills. you could argue how big his bills might be, but there is not anything necessarily unethical about it. remember after leaving the fed, he received quite a bit of money for a speech. but 400 thousand dollars for obama? a report that george w. bush give about 200 speeches that averaged between 250,000 dollars. they do do pretty well. jonathan: do they actually mean it when they try and score political points on wall street with a certain man -- a certain amount of the electorate? when they leave office, they ultimately do something different. >> one thing we do not know from the bloomberg story is to whom else has obama spoken? one would presume he has given more tha

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