tell us the story of grover and frances cleveland. >> grover was law partners and friends with frances'partner father. cleveland supposedly gave him the first a.b. carriage and became a fixture in the house. as she grew up, she started to call him uncle cleve. her father was tragically killed when she was 11 in a carriage accident. money manager,od some people who knew more about the family history said he was a bit of a roague. cleveland stepped in as executor and money manager to help handle the affairs and work with emma to oversee france s'education. >> i read all of these short biographies, and it tells a story that he became interested after getting into the white house on a visit from the mother and daughter, but your tail goes back further. all the time that she was in college, he was sending loads of flowers to her and writing letters constantly. his eye on her for quite a while? >> i think he did. one thing that is interesting, people know little of her history. there -- her alma mater will special about the train them would come so he could come visit her. he did write her letters a

grovere have grover -- cleveland running for president, we also have mrs.running for first lady. this is a set of campaign playing cards or you are actually electing a president emma vice president, and first lady. vice president, and first lady. and the second administration, she looks a bit different, a young mother, a confident matron. this is a pretty piece you could have in your home, a print of francis cleveland. notice that the image is used in this ribbon. the cleveland's visited the world fair. we are looking at a souvenir that not only commemorates the world's fair but also the cleveland's visit to the fair. host: they are moving to new york. why do they choose new york city for their next stop? host: i think that was probably a good place for francis with her interest in the arts and cleveland got a job. host: what did he do? guest: he worked for a law firm. andattorney for jpmorgan several other extremely well- known and financially well off and influential people -- he was considered counsel. he was not practicing law as much as overseeing acti

and in the 10:00 hour, two-- we've got grover norquist coming up and i've mentioned him and grover iss. also in the 10:00 hour i've got a couple of what i'm going to call outrage stories for you, first off, food stamps for illegal immigrants, we have the man who blew the whistle on it, he says he's forced to keep quiet. and next outrage item. the reporter who broke the story on the retired cop on disability, who wrestles people on a reality tv show, that's not the only story he's got. yes, another cop collecting disability. you will not believe what he's up to. that's coming up on the 10:00 hour. 7 early movers with the dow up 52 points. strong outlook for the business website yelp, up big time. and by the way, next week that graphic is going to change and they're going to make the percentage move bigger so i can read it without squinting next week. and strong demand making marriott raise its profit forecast and it is, whoa, what's that? now, that's down 1% on marriott, okay. lower profit at the data storage company, seagate technology better than expected up it goes. higher profits f

i actually asked grover norquist, chris. i thought it was important for the number of house republicans what i heard from the judiciary committee that this reduces the debt. which is something he cares a lot about. that was the focus of the hearing. you have conservative senators like john mccain, marco rubio, who not only push back on this report but have been leaders on immigration reform. we are ready for this like we haven't been ready before. we know that this is necessary for our economy, that it'll be a positive for our economy. 90 of the fortune 500 companies that we have right now were formed by immigrants we have to make that strong argument to democrats and republicans. >> can i ask you an honest question here? as a liberal, i remember going to a hearing on immigration reform few years back on the hill. alan are greenspan making the conservative economic argument for it. when i see grover norquist and alan greenspan and the chamber of commerce and mark zuckerberg and his ceo buddies dumping this money in. there's

grover cleveland, frances cleveland. this week on "q&a," cofounder and publisher of the website recognized with the 2013 peabody award for outstanding achievement in electronic media. >> tom goldstein can you remember when you named scotus blog and why? >> i think it was the very first day when we imagined hey what if we created a website my wife amy and i who is the editor it supreme court of the united states, there was this thing called blogging, we called scotus blog. >> why is what you're doing necessary? >> it's amazing the supreme court is really important institution. everybody got to agree with that to the healthcare decision to affirmative action and same sex marriage. yet with all the coverage of congress and the president, there was no place that was paying complete attention to what the justice was doing. >> why do you think there's so little interest on the part of the general media and

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you know we have labor day which is our sort of workers' day i think there was some sensitivity by grover cleveland you know early politicians and i think grover cleveland was president at the time about commemorating what happened at haymarket square since most of the ruling elite at the time thought what happened was there was very bad that this is what extreme politics leads to and it led to a major clampdown on extreme politics in extreme economic positions which in turn fueled more organization from labor communities and really drove the kind of the progressive era at the beginning of twentieth century and even then led to the new deal and and everything like that but you know why does the united states not get involved in this you know maybe maybe it comes from the fact that we in the united states don't think we have like the sort of labor issues that the rest the world does when in reality we do have the same in a globalized labor market we have the very same troubling work related issues that the rest the world has and fact you could argue that there are much worse than a lot of

and you know early politicians a grover cleveland was president at the time about commemorating what happened at haymarket square since most of the ruling elite at the time thought what happened was there was very bad but this is what extreme politics leads to and it led to a major clamp down on extreme politics in extreme economic positions which in turn fueled more organization from labor communities and really drove the kind of the progressive era at the beginning the twentieth century and even then led to the new deal and and everything but you know why do you notice this not to get involved in this no maybe maybe it comes from the fact that we in the united states don't think we have like the sort of labor issues that the rest the world does when in reality we do have the same in a globalized labor market we have the very same troubling work related issues that the rest of the world has gotten fact you could argue that there are much worse than a lot of other industrialized countries and less vacation time less rights for workers you know it really started and yeah it was one of

bill passes in the senate, pitting republican against republican, democrat against democrat, and grover norquist against big retailers. all that, plus click 3. we begin with new and mounting pressure on the united states to get involved in yet another war on the middle east. a war that just in the last few days has shown signs of erupting further into a true regional conflict. syria has been embroiled in a civil war for two years. what you're seeing are israeli air strikes along the outskirts of the syrian capital. this is the second time in three days on sunday. the syrian government responded with outrage calling the bombings a declaration of war and if that's not a warring enough sign the civil war could be poised to spill over the borders, iran has taken the opportunity to announce it is ready to support the syrian regime with military training. it is something many western officials believe iran has already been doing. but the fact they're now willing to go public is an important sign of the potential for this conflict to continue to spread. in another sign of the conflict's potent

we've been watching grover norquist testify this morning. he's pro immigration reform. getting all these different 2013s coming out on the heels of the her tanl foundation's report trace basically trying to scare moderates to move away from this as they're referring to it as an amnesty bill. jeff flake has tweeted here we go again, new heritage study claims huge cost for immigration reform, ignores economic benefits, no dynamic scoring. "haley bar boyer says it's not a good study analysis for good policy. when talking act moving forward with this and having a real debate and a concentrated debate on what this means for the left and the right, the right is worried about having fingerprints all over a failed immigration reform bill, aren't they. >> i would say the republican party is worried about this, the strategists who are thinking about the party's long-term viability, and presidential hopefuls like marco rubio and paul ryan, who want to support this bill, they know they need to support immigration reform to remain viable candidates in a national election. so i think

and then, the grover norquist organization, where they targeted?use those two items are coming up. right now i have liz with me and charles payne. you testified before congress about precisely this irs issue, didn't you? liz: political audits going back to fdr. we don't know if the white house is involved in this. the problem is so serious. stuart: whether or not he gets tax-exempt status will be directed to the office handling all these requests for tax-exempt status and they say it was that office visit. do you think they would do this blanket probe of conservatives on their own initiative, anybody in the ministration knowing? highly unlikely. liz: i can't say either way, their job is to stop profits for sure. what we need to know, under nixon it was changed, fdr,der tn administration. listen, they can deny tax-exempt status if your group is in politics. but with asking about the dollar amount of dues paid, how deep to these probes go, how deep does it go? stuart: the tea party asked for tax exemptions and asked by the cincinnati office of the ir

thank you, grover. i've got so many other elected officials here to thank. an old friend of mine and great member of the congress, but i do want to end before i get to the personal, and then i'm done. it is to talk about elijah cummings and darrell issa. i got the call from the chairman, and i thought he was calling to scold me for something i said about him, but, actually, i never did saynowhato i respect the person who has a different opinion than i do. when the chairman calls me and asked if i would help work on a common problem that we could bring red and blue together into the color purple that michael stehle and the other partners, mcman and i forged in this new company, purple nation solutions, he said he would reach out to his ranking democrat, elijah cummings, a hero for me as long as he's been involved in maryland politics. and when i went up to talk to him, we talked about many people we would want to involve to prove to the country that we can actually solve problems even while holding our political philosophies. i'm ad good -- i'm a good liberal

grover cleveland remarried in office. >> was that the 21-year-old? >> yes, for instancis cleveland. >> howeled was he? >> he was around 50 at the time. >> was that a successfu marriage? it stunned the nation. it was a absolutely spectacular secret marriag house. he courted her. she was the daughter of -- >> what do you mean by ward? >> he was her legal guardia from the time that she was she was the daughter of a law partner of his and whe the man died he ended up adopting her as it was >> yes president at the time. she grew up and he did. but he carried out the romance secretly >> was she a loving wife? >> they were in love all th way through to his death >> he eventually died of -- was he ill during the presidency >> he was. hoo he had cancer and had to have part of his jaw removed. >> how was that undertaken? made for him to go to was set up on a yacht of a friend and he was secretl taken to this yacht. the public was never informed he had cancer or the operation had happene engineer all that? >> she did. conceal it >> was he disfigured? >> no. pro

grover norquist lost. >> grover and max baucus lost.gain another example why i don't think he will change his votes on guns. this one is an interesting deal. i think they -- i don't know that it is going to get to the house. i think there is much more opposition in the house. the senate debated it for ten days or two weeks. you know, a hopeful sign for the senate. especially something like this where it is not like a top tier issue but it is a difficult issue because you know, it's got taxes in it. even though they're not federal taxes and it is not going to raise revenues. the argument that this is a tax raising piece of legislation. legitimate one. the fact that they were able to do it is important. potentially. >> bill: even some democrats ended up opposing it because they come from nonsales tax states. certainly has a head of steam coming out of the senate. but you're right. that does not guarantee that will even get a vote in the house and you know the grover norquist will be working the tea party hard in the house. join us on the

grover norquist is a conservative. we believe, and always have believed in pro-growth policies. this is a pro-growth policy. we believe free people pursuing their dreams is good for society. that's what immigration is all about. >> why is a libertarian like rand paul against immigration preform? >> it's not obvious he is. he's come out in support for good immigration reform. i think it's a mistake to say republicans are deeply divided and there's not support for this. heritage is very much isolated. >> i like to think you're right. i think the house -- i'll predict it now. the house is a problem. apparently they're going to come out with a bill out of the house, the house judiciary committee that doesn't have anything about legalization. they might not even address it. anyway, thank you. douglas, formerly known as a great man with the mccain campaign. and carrie brown, politico is booming. >>> next, the eight-legged opponent. i think i'm on his side on this baby. that's coming up on the sideshow on "hardball," the place for politics. did you know peta cares for spiders? >>> ha!

someone said the of the grover norquist may be the most powerful person in america. the new pledge he has held canada is to. he has held candidates -- the new pledge he has held the new candidates to is keeping millions -- it has a role to play in a country rich in the land grant colleges, highways, bridges. i understand the bridge out here is about to be built. i am all for infrastructure. >> obama in a way has to be the luckiest politician. if you look at the republican lineup -- [laughter] it is like michael dukakis in an oversized tank hat. >> the idea that newt gingrich is now at the top of the heap. >> you do not want to be the top because they get shot out. >> it is seems like anybody but romney. >> herman cain is a breath of fresh air. [laughter] >> i am not going to reassess him as he reassesses his campaign. >> herman cain is fabulous. >> newt gingrich -- i am going to get serious on you. newt gingrich is an error lobbyist -- uber lobbyist. barney frank talk about michele bachmann. he also called out newt gingrich and said he held him responsible for the de

i want to thank grover norqu ke with. is this good news or bad news for the president?g with the president in mexico. what are the political ramifications of this? >> reporter: good morning, john, good morning, christine. this is cheery news for the white house, although i would expect as soon as the white house puts out its reaction it will be a measured one. they are always very careful not to overstate enthusiasm, even when they go down, it's positive news like this there are still 12 million people full-time unemployed, and the president always wants it to improve. on the positive note, though, something in here for both sides to crow about. the president will point out no doubt, there is still -- this shows the economy is on an upward trend. traction, and private sector growth. the argument that the private sector is growing and if people would invest more, take more money off the sidelines it would improve. the problem is largely in the government's -- in the government lately and government hiring, but the problem, he'll point out also no doubt is that what ken b

grover norquist is a conservative. >> paul ryan, haley barbour all penned the study, but it's not just republican objections that could stop immigration reform. senator pat leahy could offer an amendment to let gay couples sponsor their immigrant partners, something that now all four republican members of the gang of eight have said will doom the bill. >> a lot of people want to kill the immigration bill no matter what. we will have votes on this. people can vote for or against any of these amendments. >> lois romano and the editor in chief of the "national journal's" hotline, reed wilson. is there a big concern right now that all the amendments that may be added will make it impossible to pass this? >> i don't think it will make it impossible. i do think there's a concern about weighing the bill down with a lot of amendments. but i think we have to all keep in mind that the bill has some momentum now. mainstream republicans want some form of immigration reform. we just came out of a very bad election for them where they lost 72% of the latino vote. but they want to make sure they don'

. >> after president grover cleveland loses his bid for re- election 1888, his wife tells the staff -- >> i want you to take good care of the furniture and ornaments in the house, and let them not get lost or broken, for i want to find everything just as it is now when we come back for years from now. >> we continue our series on first ladies tonight at 9:00 eastern on c-span, c-span3, c- span radio and c-span.org. >> i do not underestimate the difficulty of doing this option because it has ever been done before it is very complicated. there are a lot of moving parts. i know they're working diligently at the fcc to get it right. our job is to make sure they are adhering to the law, that we're in constant communication so our intent is clear. we want much of the spectrum to be available for sale and the auction as possible so we can bill that more wireless infrastructure. >> oregon congressman on the fcc spectrum auction and other communications issues in front of congress tonight on "the communicators" at 8:00 on c- span2. >> the tomb of the unknowns at arlington national cemetery. we

. >> after president grover cleveland loses his bid for reelection, his wife tells the staff -- and they did return to the white house. the wife of frances cleveland as we continue our servers -- series of first wiveladies. >> i do not underestimate the difficulty of doing this option of thisest ever -- option because it is never been done before. our job is to make sure they are adhering to the law, that we're in a constant communication so our intent is clear, that we want as much of the spectrum be made available for sale in the auction as possible so we can build out more wireless infrastructure. >> or in congress member on the fcc spectrum auction and other communications issues in front of congress. tonight on "the communicators" on c-span2. >> president obama heads to an arlington national cemetery for laying a wreath of the tomb of the unknown. a discussion about the employment picture for veterans for joining us, randy plunkett. thank you for joining us. guest: military.com and kyrgyz military and veterans to stay connected and stay informed. we have about 10 million members and

number three, grover cleveland's love child. number two, grant's whisky ring.ber one, the teapot-dome. >> who doesn't know teapot-dome. the warren g. harding administration. the bribery scandal before watergate. it was the biggest political scandal in our country's history. who doesn't know that, john? >> obama is being compared to president nixon. how does he feel about that? >> again, i don't have a reaction from president obama. i can tell you that people who make those kind of comparisons need to check their history. >> welcome to "morning joe." it is may 15th, as you take a beautiful look at new york city. with us on set, steve rattner, mike barnicle, willie geist and in d.c., we have lisa myers, kelly o'donnell, david ignatius and unbelievable amount of news

the whole grover norquist, get it small enough to drown in a bathtub. less influential than the club for growth which is punishing these guys if they talk about any kind of spending out, you know, forget about paying for it, any kind of spending fed. they want to see tax cuts and see government go down. this is their entire identity at this moment. it's very strange, jared and i were talking about this before the show, why this has between reaction in the wake of a financial crisis that was caused, you know, here on wall street. why has it been a right-wing reaction. >> there's another piece. when the economy is going down, the economy is going up. it's going up too slowly but the idea you could say, you know, we're headed into recession which is when george w. bush got behind a stimulus that actually passed and ended up with, you know, 150 billion going out, that one of the problems for stimulus is that, you know, the economy is improving but improving very unequally. doing pretty darn well at the top. look at the stock market on a tear. for middle and

president grover cleveland loses his bid for reelection in 1888, his wife staff --that -- the they didreturn to the white house, winning the election of 1892. the life of frances cleveland as we continue our series on first ladies, live tonight at 9:00 eastern on c-span, c-span 3, c- span radio, and sees and outdoor. -- c-span.org shot of the tomb the unknowns at arlington national cemetery. live ceremony, wreathlaying ceremony taking place at 11:00 today with president obama and participation. you can see that on c-span. thefocus this morning for remainder of the day, we will take a look at veterans issues in our first guest joins us, responding, with the u.s. naval academy. fleming, with the u.s. naval academy. he has written a book. welcome. the state goes on, several issues dealing with the military as we speak. how would you give your assessment as far as how the military has fared over these recent news that we've heard over the last few weeks but things going on within it? guest: things are not looking quite as good as it might how much of put it mildly. we have a problem with t

>> after president grover cleveland lose his bid for reelection his wife tells the staff. you take care of all the ornaments in the house. i want to find everything just as it is now when we come back again four years from today. they did return to the white house. the life of frances cleveland as we continue our series on first ladies. >> now, president obama in moore, oklahoma to survey the damage of last weeks for nato. -- last week cost tornado. he spoke to reporters near what was left of the elementary childrenere several were killed. he spoke for about 20 minutes. >> good afternoon, everybody. obviously, a picture is worth a thousand words. what we are seeing here gives you some sense of what the people of moore and oklahoma have been dealing with over these last days. there are a couple of acknowledgment that i want to make. let me begin by just saying that whenever i come to an area that has been devastated by some natural disaster like this i want to make sure everyone understands i'm speaking on behalf of the entire country. everywhere. fellow americans are prayi

. >> after president grover cleveland lose his bid for reelection his wife tells the staff. grip you take care of all the ornaments in the house. i want to find everything just as it is now when we come back again four years from today. >> they did return from the white house winning the selection in 1892. as we continue our series on first lady. live monday night at 9:00 eastern on c-span, c-span 3, c-span radio and c-span.org. >> now president obama in moore, oklahoma to survey the damage from last week's tornado. he met with affected families to offer his condolence. he also spoke to reporters what's next of plaza tower elementary school. president obama spoke for about 10 minutes. >> good afternoon everybody. obviously, a picture is worth a thousand words and what we're seeing here it gives you some sense of what the people of moore and people of oklahoma has been dealing with over these last several days. there are a couple of acknowledgements that i want to make. let me begin by just saying whenever i come to an area that's been devastated by some natural disaster like

we had one particular incident at 65 oak grover, a beautiful mural, and it was slightly obliterated. he went back and fixed it. and then they came back and completely obliterated it. and he told me he could not go back up there because the people that did that would hurt him and he knew who it was. so, instead of hiring another muralist to go up there because he gave us that information, we just had -- we buffed it over and had a blank coat of paint put over it. so, in our program we can utilize the artists to get the information we need to keep them safe and also we let the police -- law enforcement know this program is happening and when it's happening so that they're hypersensitive to it. >> i'm going to go back over here and we have a couple comments. i think we're going to stick with this topic a little bit because it looks like there's a lot of interest. i'll get back to you after this gentleman back here. and i'll hold the mic and you just speak into it, okay, sir. let me get on this side of it and go ahead. >> don't wait until somebody gets assaulted like i did. make sure you

senate for this bill for one there's a lot of anti-tax advocates and the americans for tax reform the grovernorquist crowd is a lot more power in the house and they have in the senate and they're not too pleased with this bill either there's also democrats who aren't pleased with this bill. last night senator ron wyden democratic senator who voted against the bill spoke out saying it's going to put undue burden is on small businesses the president today the senate is voting on whether to take a few more inches off the little guy with this vote for the so-called marketplace fairness fact what you have is big business is being given the ability to force here first mind you new regulations on kids the startups to prove the point if you look at the industries that were lobbying for this bill you have wal-mart you have target you have amazon you have some of the biggest retailers in the country pushing for this bill so there must be something there for why why they want this and they say that it's because they want to close a tax loophole it just so happens to be the one tax loophole that they ca

. >> after president grover cleveland lost his bid for reelection, his wife told the staff that i wantedeverything just as it is now when we come back again four years from today. >> and they did return to the white house winning the election of 1892. the lice -- the life of francis cleveland on "first ladies"tonight on c-span. month, formers arizona congresswoman deborah giffords received a profile in courage award at a ceremony in boston. our coverage begins with the beginsal hunt traducing caroline kennedy. this is 15 minutes. >> we have a very high-powered committee. senators and house members, republicans, democrats, ceo's, america's greatest lawyers, most distinguished law school attendees and distinguished newspapers. all of us know who our leader is. she inherited her father and mothers intelligence, charm, grace, and diplomacy. the heart and soul of this magnificent place in this marvelous award, caroline kennedy. [applause] >> thank you, thank you, al. going tod that ken was introduce new that was nicer than anything ken ever said. thank you all for coming. this is always a spe

after president grover cleveland live -- loses the bid for reelection in 1888, his wife tell the staff went what i wait to take the care of all the furniture and ornaments and not let any of them get lost or broken for i want to find everything just as it now when we come back again watcher years from today. thend they did return to white house, winning the election of 1882. the life of francis cleveland as we continue our series on first ladies on c-span, c-span3, c-span radio and c-span.org. >> this morning, cindy schild from the american petroleum into two discusses the keystone xl pipeline. then kurt zimmer of the newspaper association of america discusses the proposed shield law. and later, environment and energy publishing reporter emily yehle looks at how automatic budget cuts are impacting national parks. "washington journal" is next. ♪ good morning and welcome to "washington journal" on this saturday, may 25, 2013. it's the start of the memorial day weekend. monday is the federal holiday honoring men and women who have died serving in america's military. as we reflect on the m

. >> we have heard from grover norquist, and he says we shouldn't read too much good news into these numbers, but come on. >> look this is a positive report. christine nailed it. everything she said was very accurate. you know, christine, one of the most important things was the fact that you saw the upward revisions in the previous month. no question right now, the economy is picking up a little bit of steam. carol, i would like to see the economy grow a little faster. not quite dancing a jig right now, but i had swill say this. the one thing i am most concerned about right now. it's what christine mentioned at the end of the report. more and more people are getting hired. getting hired involuntarily in part-time jobs and i do think th there are a lot of reasons. people are still skiddish about bringing people on full time. but the obama care law is inc t incentivitizing businesses not to hire people full time because of those new costs of that law. >> that's right. a lot of small business people aren't hiring many people because of obama care, and, you know, they are really a major

go head to head. >> another classmate, ballmer, grover. what an era. did i experience a fabulous era? >> what a great institution producing those great minds. don't forget fdr. >> i never forget fdr. >> and jfk. we had three initial hitters. >> jjc, but not harry s. truman who would have been better. >> signers include a memo for the move and 52 conservatives demanded house republican leaders not bring a senate bill and the keeper of the no-tax pledge and he is a fighter for small business, except for when it's small business. we'll talk more about the bill's channes in the house later today, too. >> when we come back after a rough few months and apple mounting a comeback as you may know up almost 20% and the meantime, google trading near all-time highs. which one, though? which one do you choose? we'll tell you how to play it,u akeover. today and he will join us live after that mng talked about. take one more look at futures potentially the 17th straight tuesday up in a row when we come back. change makes people nervous. but i see a world

grover cleveland, again, he was a drunk and drank four beers a day at least and he and his friends would have a competition and i think that's cooler than what obama does. >> four beers is a drunk? >> that was their dare. he used to drink 10 to 12. he and his friend are like, we have to stop drinking. we will cut back to four. >> bill, don't think about it. what do you make of this? is he one of those guys that functions great as a fat guy? >> i like christie. i didn't like him for a longtime and now i love him. this is what a self-centered ass i am. i did "hannity" with him and it it was before he won the election. he said hello and i neglected to get a photo. i cannot live with being in the same room with a man who would be president and i didn't get a picture with. >> you have lost a lot of weight. >> thanks, greg. a little stick to itness and self-hatred moments. >> no lap band for you? >> no, it is just literally i just pinched my fat breast one too many time and i finally had to do something. >> come on, please, i popped out two kid and lost the baby weight twice. that's an accompl

very fluent actual right-wing think tank here in austin, which is involved in a lot of visit sort of grovert approaches to government. and they're behind perry they're with the governor. even this moment, even this morning, the legislature was dealing with some of the new appointees to the regents, and they were making it clear if they did not want these regents these perry-appointed regents to be mucking in the business of the university of texas in a micromanagement way. so this is a big big battle where you have titans really on both sides. we don't know where this is going to lead. one other thing, this is modeled for the rest of the country. you see the governor of florida the republican governor of florida, wisconsin, north carolina, you saw some activity at the university of virginia where you have republican governors seeing can we turn our schools into more efficient glorified community colleges, trade schools, if you will, and down play research and the pointy headed intellectual that is my tea party supporters don't like any way. this is a national battle. >> michael: the most im