would you like halliburton and other contractors that defraud the taxpayer to stop receiving any morernment money? >> i think we are straying a bit afield. >> we are not. >> you mead the point giving money to defraud taxpayers whether it's a.c.o.r.n or ha halliburton or health insurance company or a bank seems to be the correlation. >> or a labor union. anybody who defrauds the government of money should get investigated. should i think in proportions to any of the allegations, sure. >> let's have an alliance here about going after all of those people. going after, for example, what happened with bank of america, defrauding its shareholders and giving merrill lynch bonuses without letting their shareholders know. the s.e.c. is saying no wrongdoing just give us $33 million and it's all over. so much happening across the system. >> well, you know this -- >> it's not just a.c.o.r.n. >> you know they -- >> politically motivated. >> those who accuse people in the mainstream media to distract attention from a.c.o.r.n. >> i'm not doing that. i don't care about that. i invited you here not on

but halliburton is involved in generally non-private security issues. idea of whether it's cost effective, in 20007 in the area of iraq, the department was defense was responsible for $75 billion, and that's a lot of money. but others will respond it's cheaper to use contractors in the long-term, but in the short-term it may be higher than personnel, and you need them 20 years before in place and carry them 20 years later. and a lot of people argue it's cheaper to pay them more in the short-term than spread out over the years. host: there is writing about managing contractors, and in the report they say that some analysts assert that d.o.d. has not sufficiently provide for contracts across military services. can you explain that? guest: absolutely, there was a lot of concern about a number of agencies, a report by the army, that discussed the state of preparation and execution of contracts by the department of defense. and the question was do they prepare for the number of contractors and the roles that will be played in the contract before it occurred.

>> now you're going off the top of -- are did you investigate halliburton? no. back to the bush white house. >> i'm sorry. >> that's not the point. we're talking about acorn. we're here talking about what we saw this past week the chain of events that happened in the past week. sean: didn't you find those tapes despicable? >> i thought they were terrible but you'll find that in any organization of thousands of people. sean: you won't find organizations where people go in offices and you support the idea of importing young, underaged girls for prostitution. >> you're just saying that and left the impression with your audience acorn supports importation. sean: the people that works for them obviously -- >> have you had anyone that worked for you that was a fruitcake? yes. you answered my question. that's all you've got to say. >> not like this. sean: we'll take a break and have more with our great, great american panel straight ahead. . ic prilosec otc. dominates heartburn. 24/7... including the eight hours you spend with your eyes closed. prilosec otc. heartburn

they actually have set up a shelter, we're told, at 7401 halliburton avenue at the senior center. do watch for that. do not drive in the water if you near that area. and you are, in fact, incounterring a road that hasn't been block -- encountering a road that hasn't been blocked. and we don't want to make a rusty situation possibility here. meantime, we'll keep you updated on these road closures. does not look like anything is going to be opening any time soon. so if you are headed to that area, if you know somebody in that area, you do not want to go towards that area. you are not going to be able to get out, unless you are with police and they assist you out at this point. you cannot drive. you cannot. you do not want to walk in the water either. that obviously can be a real danger as well. we'll keep you updated. back to you guys. >> thank you, sharon gibala. >>> coming up. >> we, of course, will stay on top of this main water main break that has flooded a staggering stretch of baltimore county. what you need to know is coming up. >>> here's what you're looking at. this is what

a shelter is actually being set up for those people evacuated from the home. 1741, halliburton avenue. again, don't drive in the water. you can see the water is very heavy. there are torrents, actually, because of this water. even though it's just a water main break, it's obviously very large water main break. we're told a 72-inch pipe that broke. so very heavy. rapid there. and your car could actually be swept away. flooding, obviously a major problem. and drowning could be an issue as well. and that doesn't even mention the fact that you could definitely mess up your car, if not ruin it completely. back over to you guys. >> okay, sharon gibala. thank you very much. of course, whatever else is happening in traffic pails in comparison to what is going on in dundalk now. let's go to weijia jiang. she is there on the ground, and bringing us incredible pictures of the actual break. >> reporter: absolutely. from our vantage point. you can see the water, it is still gushing pretty fiercely. since we've gotten here, it hasn't stopped at all. you can see that it's white water now. and there

but halliburton is involved in generally non-private security issues. the idea of whether it's cost effective, in 20007 in the area of iraq, the department was defense was responsible for $75 billion, and that's a lot of money. but others will respond it's cheaper to use contractors in the long-term, but in the short-term it may be higher than personnel, and you need them 20 years before in place and carry them 20 years later. and a lot of people argue it's cheaper to pay them more in the short-term than spread out over the years. host: there is writing about managing contractors, and in the report they say that some analysts assert that d.o.d. has not sufficiently provide for contracts across military services. can you explain that? guest: absolutely, there was a lot of concern about a number of agencies, a report by the army, that discussed the state of preparation and execution of contracts by the department of defense. and the question was do they prepare for the number of contractors and the roles that will be played in the contract before it occur

you mentioned halliburton. why isn't -- the double standard's at work. this isn't to excuse the problems a.c.o.r.n. has had. it is cleaning it up and it has helped so many thousands. the predatory financial institutions need a counter. >> they do. >> and the right wing needs to be taken on aggressively if we're going to have a more humane country. >> katrina vanden heuvel. i asked you on your thoughts of the baucus bill. could you support it? 7% said yes, 93% of you said no. that's "the ed show," back with you tomorrow night. for more information on the program go to wegoted.com. "hardball" with chris matthews is next here on msnbc. >>> listen to jimmy. let's play "hardball." >>> good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. leading off tonight, the color of politics. it strikes me that race is the san andreas fault of american politics, it's a huge divide right below the surface that always threatens to shake and split this country in the worst way. the fault line began to show itself in the claim richly enjoyed in the american south that president ob

where was their outrage when halliburton was overcharging the government and electrocuting american soldiersat's no excuse for a.c.o.r.n.'s behavior. i'm not here to defend them. they need to fix their problems fast. republicans are trying to broad brush this. it's not that simple. let me bring in the ceo of a.c.o.r.n., bertha lewis. let me ask you straight up, do you run an honest organization? the conservatives are saying everything about a.c.o.r.n. is dishonest. >> just because you repeat a lie over and over again doesn't make it true. of course we run an honest organization. we've been running this organization since 40 years, and we have been doing our core work of protecting people against foreclosures, absolutely making sure that people have affordable housing and affordable health care. >> what do you say about the videotape that's floating around out there about the sting operation that showed obviously your employees were doing something they shouldn't be doing? >> first of all, for fox and right wing to have to stoop to a made up scenario is one thing, but as you know and as i've

you are talking about an equivalent amount of money halliburton got every day in iraq. the fact of the matter is acorn got pennies compared to what these massive war contracting firms got. as you point out rightly, we are talking about murder, child prostitution and all sorts of misconduct against american personnel. the crimes compare to the crimes of the war contractors that go unconfronted by democrats and republicans. >> we saw such huge democratic votes in the defund acorn bills. do you think that is reversible among democrats? >> if representative allen grayson is going to say let's defund all these organizations and the rest did it as part of a witch-hunt against acorn, it's a said day in this country. that means there is no spine in that congress. >> jeremy skayhill, great to have you on the show. >>> news of some political movement in washington on health care. could conservative democrats be just plain democrats? the long-suffering health reform bill will join us next. en you m" tdd# 1-800-345-2550 he neglected to mention tdd# 1-800-345-2550 he also makes mone

i'm not asking you to take back your vote or put a halliburton sticker on the back of your ford f-350 pickup truck with charlie daniels blaring from the speakers. we're not asking you to do that. sure, we could start with toby keith, work our way from there, sure, you know, one step at a type. there's no reason to jump from this to nascar. i am just asking you this -- please, take a stand. take a stand. this is clear-cut unadulterated taxpayer-funded corruption. you love your children. you love your country just like i do. you must understand that what you have been seeing from acorn on these tapes this past week isn't compassion, it's corruption! i'm asking you, demand a full investigation from your representatives of everybody -- acorn, all the way to the top, everybody in government, all the way to the top, in your cities, and in our nation, and until that corruption is brought under control, we must quarantine washington, d.c. no legislation must come out of it. if you're still not convinced, give me the rest of the hour, because you ain't seen nothing yet. s glenn: now back to a

and the media reported on the cries of halliburton over and over again, you know, that sees acorn and sees the corruption there, and seiu and the apollo alliance and how the president is using these groups. >> the supreme court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth. the tragedy to the civil rights movement was because the civil rights movement became so court focused. i think that there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalitions, the power through which you bring through redistributive change. glenn: that is the most important thing that explains everything. that is the most important thing i think this president has said. does nobody in the media see that on the czars, it's not a political witch-hunt? americans are just uncomfortable with revoluntionary radicals having unchecked authority on all kinds of things. we don't even know who these people are. healthcare. healthcare. healthcare. americans are promised an open honest debate before overhauling the syste

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the famous debate between dick cheney and joe lieberman, and dick cheney said that his company, halliburtonhad made millions of dollars without any help from the government. it all came from the government! they were defense contracts! so, what's happened is the american ethos, which is a different thing from our political order. that's the rugged individualism, the cowboy, the frontiersman, the robber baron, the great explorer, the conqueror of the continent. for that aspect of our myth, the market has been the engine of it. so, what brought them together, is what we've seen in the right is what i call a politics of organized cultural enmity. everybody-- >> moyers: accusatory protest, you call it. >> accusatory protest. with liberals as the enemy. so, if you are a free-marketeer, or you're an evangelical, or a social conservative, or even an authoritarian conservative, you can all agree about one thing: you hate the liberals that are out to destroy us. and that's a very useful form of political organization. i'm not sure it contributes much to our government and society, but it's political

halliburton, alongside of weatherford, slchlumberger and smith. schlumberger and smith go from sell to neutral. cocoa, 5% higher. it's a buy rated stock now at argis. also lay, mosaic and potash, erin, i love to talk to you about pot, cut from hold to buy at citi group.p. the ball is in your court, as they say. >> i would know nothing about pot. >> or tennis. >> the financial meltdown, a once in a lifetime event, steve liesman sat down with the ecb, chief of the european central bank, jean-claude trichet. steve asked mr. trichet whether the regulatory reform is going away. as we get further and further from the brink of collapse. here's a little piece. >> it would be the major mistake we could do, and always a danger because we took decisions that were extremely bored, extremely not conventional in many respect. we could avoid a meltdown. we could be absolutely stupid to say now business as usual, the market are functioning as a force. we are bound to take in the public, decision, and we are not authorized to do that again. i would say it would be

with all the corruption we've had with black water, halliburt halliburton, the contractor, we can't controlorry to interrupt. what do you think about the original mission? the reason why we went to afghanistan in the first place? >> caller: that's not really clear. that's not been defined enough. they say it's for bin laden, but, you know, they just -- it's a misuse -- i think it's a misuse of our guard and forces to send them into an ambush situation. >> all right. >> caller: because of -- just the nature of the country. now we're supposedly building the country so the reasons are not very clear. it's a country in the dark ages. homophobic sexist country. i don't think we should be dying for that. i don't understand it at all. >> ron, thank you so much. we appreciate your opinion. we go to kathy in callahan, florida. what do you think? >> caller: i think we need to get troops over there now. >> why do you think that? >> caller: if he doesn't, the troops that are left there will be coming home in body bags without the adequate support that they need to eliminate this mess. >> kathy in calla