is not recognized by the united states because hamas won't recognize israel the logical question is can you name a single israeli government official political party which has ever recognized a palestinian state with then its internationally legal borders. you know i'm on ok how about international law then where of course you agree with that they say occupied palestinian territories the whole of the west bank and gaza you agree with the core no to the point yes i agree with the folks in this you know very well this is a. decision with the full by fall of the necessity to implement do you agree with their opinion. do you agree with their opinion. is what i'm the argument which i think as a certain amount of credibility as the argument that there was a look at this so the argument goes something like this i'll start as a special meaning for a jew graph from a book that will go on our interview for the point of view of history of the jewish oh i'll stand has a special resonance for the jewish people to imagine i'd sure stay in argentina you know in uganda or elsewhere simply the work

in the united states because hamas won't recognize israel the logical question is can you name a single israeli government official political party which has ever recognized a palestinian state within its internationally legal borders. who are you on your own ok how about international law where of course you agree with that they say occupied palestinian territories the whole of the west bank and gaza you agree with the court no the point yes i meet with the. indians you know very well this is a. decision with the full by all necessary to implement do you agree with their opinion. do you agree with their opinion. by you here is what i'm the argument which i think adds a certain amount of credibility as the argument but i want to look at this if so the argument goes something like this house armed has a special meaning for a jew the vast form of good will go in our interview for the order of three of the jewish. palestine has a special resonance for the true issue. to imagine i'm sure stay in argentina go and uganda or elsewhere simply the work of the jewish people who made no sense i'm

he's not a clear and present danger in the way that hamas is what he like and naples of terrorism. people who are creating a climate. incremental in which. israel's legitimacy is no longer considered axiomatic in which violence against civilians is no longer axiomatic. it's more more of a qualitatively more then the usual this content of proof in the fields with the world. i see as. radical is unfair and therefore it has to be radically changed other people who think it's wrong for the night with these are not radical in. the world go you know who you choose through whose eye is. through whose are these huge who see the world. this is all rather quickly unfair. and it requires a radical change. in the. way. mr. singh. you.

hamas was registered with nonexist event address and william mitchell the la president of the better business bureau. >> they ran the credit within 12 hours they were approved member. >> what did that cost. >> it was $425. >> how did hamas become bbd accredited business with a grade. >> plain and simple made a mistake. >> you can watch the entire 20/20 investigation tonight on abc2 at 10:00. tonight at 11:00 shall we will have reaction about those accusations from the better business bureau here in baltimore. >>> certain alcohol based energy drinks are being consumed more and more and they are filled with lots of caffeine and sugar. tonight we're going to hear from a family of a woman who blames one of those drinks for the death of their daughter. >>> he stole millions of dollars in the largest ponzi scheme. soon some of the items are going to be back to other folks. those stories coming up and more at 6:00. ♪ ♪ [ dad ] yeah! [ cheers and applause ] [ male announcer ] achievement gets points for living life. earn pnc points for your credit and debit card purchases. ♪ find out more at

northbound lanes that will continue to make the push to bell fast road and person has been hit by a car in hamas ssead. right at the carol county baltimore county line at brick road at beck el road and another accident in pikesville right on old fort road at 7 mill lane. for those travel on the belt way expect a slow ride on the south west portion all due to a disableddcar along the inner loop at wilkins avenue and slow speeds as you make your way up to liberty road. looking at 20 miles per hour here. it is very, very crowded along the nner loop and outer loop lanes. that's a lack at the traffic edge, now back to you. >> thank you lauren. baltimore waterfront is getting a new piece of art. >> artist john henry will build 2 36 foot metal sculpture on the westport new develop thament includeof homes offices shops and a hotel. it is being paid for

>> hamas. that was a real shocker. thank you, brian ross. and you can see a lot more of brian's investigation later on "20/20." >>> and someone we haven't heard from in awhile. cindy mccain, wife of senator john mccain, speaking out, disagreeing with her husband, who opposes a repeal of don't ask, don't tell. she condemned the government policy that prevents gays from serving openly in the military. >> our government treats the lgbt community like second class citizens. >> and by the way, today, the supreme court ordered that the policy should stand until a federal appeals court rules on the issue. >>> and still ahead on "world news," our undercover cameras track how 24 billion of taxpayer dollars are being spent at some schools. >>> and neighbors helping neighbors. banding together. an american experiment in generosity. >>> and a preview of our trip to china. what we've already learned about what they're doing to get ahead. i'm looking to save in insurance. don't want to deal with a lot of flibbity-flab or mumbo-jumbo. sounds like you need

they have been closed down under hamas, have been reopened under a non-hamas management. user before, i do want to go at length, a hamas initiative which has meant that preachers who are agitating for suicide bombs have been removed from ask. this is i think had a huge impact and there's an effort to start reforming the sharia colleges where they trained. so this is an important mosque initiative. it doesn't get much media attention you but i think it's worth most important projects going on. israelis, because of the security cooperation, hasn't able to cut its number of battalions in the west bank from a few years ago was a 43. i think now it is at 21. just in the last few years. the last israeli personnel is devoted to the west bank because they are in cooperation to israel's has cut checkpoints. israel has reduced as rob pointed out, thousands of cores would like to get the numbers 20. because of this cooperation, and so there statistics on average 24 hour period that there were 12, now it's down to 3.6. of course, the palestinians want at zero. israelis we ask them wi

reopened under a non-hamas management.you heard me before. i don't want to go on at length about the mosque initiative, which is meant to preachers who are agitating for suicide bombs have been removed from mosques. this is a had a huge impact in the start reforming the sharia college where the training amount. so this is an important mosque initiative that doesn't get much media attention here, but you think is one of the most important projects going on. the israelis because of the security cooperation has cut its number of times in the west bank from a furious sickos a 40 is now a 21. just in the last few years, the last is really personal is devoted the west bank because there was this cooperation. israel's checkpoints from the west bank for 4211. israel has reduced rates as robert pointed out. if i could get the numbers to zero because of this cooperation and so, there are statistics on an average 24 hour. if there were 12 nls 3.6. of course the palestinians want the missouri. the israelis when you have to both fight

if we begin to make progress on palestinian peace, hamas can not afford to be left out. we take away some of the leverage they have now to say no by beginning to move. they will feel compelled to participate. >> i think the west bank is where we start. what this state will look like at some point. that does not mean that you cannot make progress. trying to fix this now will only impede progress of getting the to stitch together in the future. >> if you get a peace deal that involves the establishment of a palestinian state of the west bank, you are in a position to go to hamas and said, are you in or are you out? if you are in, you have to give up terror. if you can get that piece, and show that a palestinian state is coming to the west bank, it will be -- a double shuffle the deck. >> [inaudible] is a hopeful sign when president obama extends its $3 million inducement to israel in return for simply it 90 days of a settlement freeze? >> this is the matter of the table as to what is the -- what makes it worthwhile. in exchange for a 90 day settlement freeze. the israelis,

they can't offer them peace in the north that's hezbollah they can't offer them peace in gaza that's hamas so the palestinians are offering less and demanding more they're not in a particularly strong bargaining position israel is a democracy it just passed a law now requiring a plebiscite before it can return land that in the next day after the sixty seven war the united states is simply following a course that has happened for many many years and that is israel has been willing to come forward and make peace on a reasonable basis the palestinians have said no the palestinians won't even pronounce the words that israel is the nation state of the of the jewish people and so you know i'd like to see peace i'd like to see those two state solution i'd like to see the end of the occupation but the palestinians have to come forward with some. compromise as well it can't all be on israel's side you talk about bribing israel the power the united states bribes the palestinians all the time constantly pays them enormous sums of money gives them support give support to their joining neighbors jordan

the palestinians big deal iran then tells has ball ought to send rockets into downtown tel a bit of hamas begins to send rockets into stay wrote what they have bought is nothing in exchange for having virtually a civil war to try to dismantle the settlements what does israel get return very very little right so that's why i need us as a this time if men. a lot of points here and i think generally if i go back to getting here professor dershowitz is talking about the oss flow agreement so what did and he's saying that they were given a deal what was what if they'd gotten the palestinians out of oslo because a lot of people say well no wasn't no i'm going i'm just kind of putting it all into one m one basket in your the last twenty or twenty years that's all ok and if i can put it under that rubric ok so i'm not a ten i was talking about ten years right all right well we can't even go we can know that we're ok by clinton all right fine and i and all the rubric right there who told me ok are gay and so what it what it what are the palestinians got out of that how much they control of the wes

one is clearly a converging interest between israel and the palestinian authority when it comes to hamas and limiting them from acting in the west bank. they got a call there was a little bomb factory. 10 people were arrested. it is not done for our benefit. they said it was true. the operation is fantastic. there is an over arching convergence of interest. one is clearly what i would say culture of accountability. that is a driving scene of the prime minister. you cannot really speak of a bottom up without a top-down approach we are doing this because of it. there are a key element here. it depends on your point of view. some people say feed do things of this self interest in mesa tactical -- less tactical. it is sustainable over time. no one thinks the government is building a two-stage solution. i sought in a positive light. i will take of the 120 new schools have been built in the west bank. you do not need this idea of double shift. there is no more double shift. 1,400 kilometers of water and networks, 15 new health facilities. 1,700 kilometers of roads paved this is a big issue. a

the siege on gaza, the boycott on hamas.you know, the west wanted democracy in palestine. israel wanted democracy in palestine. they almost forced those elections on the palestinians. those stupid palestinians didn't understand that democracy means to vote for -- not for those that they want to vote for them, but to those that israel and the west want them to vote for. but it happened to be like it happened to be in any other country that the palestinians country voted for the alternative, and the alternative was the hamas. which is not my cup of tea, but they are there, and they are totally excluded now in their peace process. and, you know, i keep on asking myself why is it legitimate to discuss with hamas for four years now over the site of one israeli kidnapped soldier, and it's not legitimate to try to discuss with them of the fate of two peoples? but the hamas is there which is a very good excuse for israel, again, to say no. israel is really very creative and imaginative one should admit. for years we say there is onl

-- out to hamas? >> gen. jones, you take that one. >> why my answering the question? [laughter] i will just venture to say that i believe that if we begin to make progress on palestinian peace, hamas cannot afford to be left out, and we would take away some of the leverage to say no by beginning to move. they will feel compelled to participate. >> that's right. we talked about the top-down or bottom-up approach being complementary. if we can get those two things working, the whole situation with hamas is different, and the whole situation with iran is different. i really think that the west bank is where we start. we recognize that ultimately, what the state will look like at some point -- that does not mean you cannot make progress now. trying to fix this now means you will only delay the process of getting the key -- a state solution in the future. >> if you get a peace deal, president abbas is in a position to go to hamas and say are you in or out? it can -- if hamas says no, we are out, he can go to the people of gaza and say it is your choice. i think jim is righ

he is obviously a hamas and not hezbollah but the american eyes are sort of considered to be the two terrorist organizations that are supported by iran and syria. >> and there is a very tight relationship between iran, syria, hamas and hezbollah as you well know they are not one and the same, but they are tight strategic parts and share a lot of the same goals and values, where hamas and hezbollah are going to diverge, is in their very practical concerns. hezbollah operates in a territory in lebanon that is independent from israel, it is its own country, presently there are no israelis in lebanon, they are not under occupation and knots resisting an occupation. so they are a defensive -- they -- as long as they are defensive resistant organizations they maintain as soon as they look like they are invading israel or let's say crossing the border in defense of the palestinians when the palestinians themselves are not fighting they are going to lose a lot of the support they have on the lebanese street from people who today add mire them. >> rose: admire them because? >> the heart of he

you have political divisions, not only between thoughts and hamas, but within hamas splinter groups. the growing -- there is a growing role of the very extremist zealot is groups in gaza. there still a minority but they're gaining. and they are gaining inheritance because children have nothing else to look forward to. and also, remember that gaza is cut off from the west bank and the west bank horse from gaza. not only demographically but economically and politically. and this is a very serious problem in my view. it is the single most single problem confronting palestinians in confronting a sustainable solution to the conflict. an attempt to port and to preclude any kind of attempt of unification between fatah and to mosque, which our government has pursued as well as others i think is absolutely dangerous and will confine, ultimately will confine both palestinians and israelis to continue conflict. in the outcome of the are many, but economic devastation can never possibly lead to any kind of positive long-term workable solution. nobody in this room would want their children to hav

it with but e wasn't hamas. it was a blogger and a group of business owners to prove a point. what did it cost to get an "a"-minus? >> this was $425. >> reporter: how did hamas become a bbb credited business with an "a" grade? >> plain and simple, we made a mistake. >> reporter: lots of mistake. and it's more than just a mistake, says the connecticut attorney general, richard blumenthal. in a set of demands set yesterday to the better business bureau, blumenthal called on them to stop using the grading system, which is harmful and potentially misleading. >> we look for bbb. we look for that label. >> reporter: you'd be surprised who got "fs," and who got "as." there's a neonault nazi group. a nonexistent seuushi restauran. >> i know you've been on top for this for quite some time. brian, thank you very much. you can see all of brian's report tonight on "20/20," 10:00, 9:00 central. >> neo-nazis and hamas? my goodness. >>> we're going to get to the stranded carnival shuz ship, in port now. the passengers, every one of them seemed to have a video tape machine. they're sharing th

in the arab-israeli a redneck, whether home loss -- arab-array -- arab-israeli agreement, whether hamas, or others. even beyond the discussion of the nuclear issue. this common worry dominated discussions with every leader with whom we met. secondly, we were impressed by the fact that there seems to be the foundation for real politics in this part of the world. i am referring specifically to our visit in egypt and jordan. in egypt, holding parliamentary elections later this month, we met with courageous reforms who offered a message of liberal change. in jordan, where were your wife to days after their parliamentary election, which was -- where we arrived two days after their parliamentary elections, this was a positive note. the jordanians permitted international election observers to monitor the election. we had quite an exchange with the egyptian political leaders about the importance of their agreeing to universal standards for elections, including the role of international monitors this election. the pushed backward and continue to push back as we followed this closely in the last

. >> these should not be so close to hamas. >> as she waits for heart surgery, she worries this is all taking a toll. >> i do not have a pension. i do not have an ira or a 401-k, and this is my money in the bank, and they are robbing me. >> this has turned into a two- year battle. >> this was not ok because it would impede access for anyone with a disability. >> over $900 million. >> that is quite a telephone bill. the nearly $2 million is the estimated cost of burying the phone line. verizon tells a different story. the estimate was not for the resident, and she knows that. >> that is a total misrepresentation. >> she has her supporters, including one council member. >> probably what makes the most sense is for verizon to pay for it and pass it on to all of their ratepayers. >> she is not the only one. there is another up the street. the next battle in this pressing problem will be waged before the public service commission, but that will take time. we have all of the documents online. take a look for yourself. kris van cleave, abc7 news. >> wow. >>> coming up on abc7 news at 11:00, a

for which hamas speaks. we have still the lovely delusion that by getting to negotiate with israel we might actually achieve a two-stage solution to the israel palestine conflict. good night. you are not going to be able to resolve the arab-israeli conflict without hamas being centrally involved on the palestinian side. you are not wish to be able to resolve the arab-israeli conflict in a way that is deliberately designed to, quote on quote, marginalize iran in the region. kuran's allies are going to be front and center in any genuine settlement to this conflict. as i said, i think shift back to offshore balancing has to be what else needs to be there? okay. i will to got three things and then i will stop. one, this point, as any surprise to anyone who has followed the work i've done over the last few years mostly with my wife and frequent coauthor about iran. i think it is indispensable to the united states realigns its relations with the united public of iran as fundamentally and comprehensively at realign

in 2012, 75 senior hamas veteran will be able to live out their lives in dignity. i just cannot say enough about the job the city does of stepping up to the plate. it is not just about platitudes and waving banners, it is about getting the job done. we are great -- we are very grateful. >> randy martina's is the president of the city college. randolph will explain, through the gi bill, how they are now funding the gi bill. it is not about where you are from but where you are going to school. because of the high cost of living, they provide more than just about any other city college in the state. >> thank you. but i am also a marine, [inaudible] thank you, mayor. policy advisers. thank you for having us here. i served seven years in the marine corps. i am here as the president of veterans alliance. our mission has been to create a home where veterans can come in and have a school that can offer so many things to them. one of the things that we've pushed the last semester was the better the resource center. dr. griffin made that happen along with walter newman. this

meanwhile, on the palestinian side, you have the split between fatah or hamas. who are you negotiating with, fatah, and abbas, and gaza and the control of hamas. >> larry: do you see any optimism? >> you always have to. if you are going to play in the mideast you always have to have a sense of optimism, you can never quit, never walk away. stakes are too high. lives are at risk. our interests are at risk in the region. you have to stay engaged as difficult as it is. >> larry: if they ever got together wouldn't it be a major power? >> they being israelis and palestinians? awe. >> larry: yeah. it would be -- >> intellectually and both of them, the palestinians and the israelis have -- believe it or not -- entrepreneurial spirit about them. aren't we all? >> larry: good point. >> if we could ever create the two-state solution that we have all wanted for the many, many years and bring them together with -- with a sense of respect for each other, it has to be a real palestinian state, not some area cut into a thousand pieces. if we could ever cause that to happen, i

that immediately changes the equation with regard to hamas and other organizations. dramatically i think enhances abbas as a heard. so to me, strategically in a geopolitical sense, this would be a good thing. >> i'm going take a quick break for what we call sponsors. i want to thank sammy and hudia farouky for sponsoring this. leading to a question. i see gene case here, and buerle bernhardt and bill maher. and general jones before you went into the administration, you worked with a lot of us. the u.s. palestinian partnership and the investment initiative. to try to build up the chi in the palestinian territories and in particular the with westbank. we worked with fayed, the middle east investment initiative that they're involved with, has how much money in loan guarantees? >> 70 million in loan guarantees out. our u.s. palestinian partnership, i think gene case you just stood up a vent churpund now to go with it. do you want to say what that is? >> we're excited and coming to our first $50 million venture fund all ta -- all targeted in the westbank. we're excite abo