i didn't do what hornaday did. i didn't say beyonce caused.ous effect on these children and they perhaps may act out. this is a cause and effect. i mean, this is yearous when a "the washington post" film writer says that judd and seth rogan just by appearing in the film, they are somewhat responsible for this guy i don't blame niece guys for being teed off. >> she is saying i never said that they were responsible. >> yes she singled them off. >> i'm telling it you what this woman is now saying oh, i didn't blame them. i'm just raising questions. is what she says. well, you know what? read that column. >> that's right. it's on my web site. it's easy to get. you cannot escape the conclusion that these films, that portray women in certain roles and men to don't get the girl as feeling that the world is against them and life is unfair. and guess what? one of them went out and killed a whole bunch of people. you can't help but conclude that she is linking at absolutely linking if not gleam. >> cause and effect. >> the film on the murders. >> stosse

so, ann hornaday goes on to say this man's delusions, he was a virgin and didn't have the love that so many men had. his delusions were inflated and created by the entertainment industry he grew up in because he was the son of a famous hollywood director. brent, your take on it? >> for the love of god. look, entertainment media, movies, tv shows, music, they do have an influence on the young. there's no question. there's no question if you have the genre that grand slammerizes ultraviolence it has an influence on violent behavior. it's true programming that grand slammerizes irresponsible sexual behavior is going to have an impact on people behaving irresponsibly. to suggest programming that focus on irresponsible sexual behavior leads somebody to commit violence is such a anti-male pro feminist whacko belief system. this is a guy who killed. i don't know that he was sick or evil but on this one you can't blame hollywood. >> richard, if it's hollywood movies that's causing this to happen then why doesn't everybody who goes to see these movies go out and start shooting up the joint? >>

at the same time i have a lot of sympathy for hornaday. i don't think of rogen's and apatow's readings of her couple are quite fair. while we always search to find other things to blame, i don't think asking what kind of g for our kids is nearly as stupid a reaction as blaming sarah palin's facebook map for the gabby giffords shooting. you can find lots of narratives that you can feed into this. the idea that judd apatow invented the story line of young shlubby guys getting the girl is bizarre. martha: you can find that way back in film and story history. but there is a point to be raised here about the crassness of society, about the way that women are portrayed in a any sonin amisogynistic right. it becomes all about one thing, sex and sort of these -- >> men are also portrayed as grunting neanderthals. martha: we are not saying these movies are to blame for what happened. we are saying they are part of as i call it this potent cocktail that mixes very badly in certain individuals. and we can't ignore all of these elements. everybody wan

. >> this article is exactly what anne hornaday in the "washington post" op ad that seth row began blew up about. it is the same logic and it is horse you know. >> usb is a tragedy, but he said nerds can't differentiate between reality and fantasy. he is saying nerds read too many comic books and sci-fi and think it is true. >> to traiten this all out -- to straighten this all out, he is recognizing the fact that there is a nerd culture that a is glorified in movies and in pop culture. but we need to recognize that and buy into that. >> he is not wrong. nerds cannot get laid. they can only get with nerds. >> i have it on authority that steven hawkings frequents strip clubs. >> so he gets tons of chicks at the strip club? >> are you an attractive gentleman and rafi you are melt in your mouth gorgeous and you get tons of broads. >> actually i am married. >> you could be doing back flips and be the funniest guy in the world. >> but revenge of the nerds are working at google and making hundreds of billions of dollars and that's how you get laid. look at steve balmer. that dude is up to his

ann hornaday wrote this for the "washington post."es like "neighbors" and feel as rodgers did did and just as shut out of college life that should be full of sex and fun and pleasure? how many men had comedies in which the adolescent always gets the girl? those happy endings always elude them and conclude it's not fair. >>> seth rogan the star of apatow's xhoo comedy said how dare you imply me getting girls in movies caused a lunatic to go on a rampage. apatow said she uses tragedy to promote herself with idiotic thought. hornaday says it was a mistake to single out apatow and rogan. >> i by no means meant to cast blame on those movies or judd apatow's work. i do think, again, it bears all of us asking what the costs are of having such a narrow range of stories that he we constantly go back to. >> the gunman's father is the director who worked on the crew for "the hunger games." >>> this morning president obama spelled out america's next challenge after ending his combat mission in afghanistan. minutes ago in a speech at the u.s. mili

"washington post" film critic ann hornaday is blames hollywood. and she names names.delusions were inflated, if not created by the tant industry he grew up in. as rodger bemoaned his life of rejection and unfulfilled desire and arrogantly denounced he would prove his status as the true alpha male, he unwittingly expressed the toxic double helix of insecurity and entitlement that comprises hollywood's dna. how many students watched out -- how many conclude that it's not fair. actor seth roguen responded "how dare you imply that me getting girls in movies caused a lunatic to go on a rampage. miss hornaday responded on. >> it bares all of us asking what the costs are of having such a narrow range of stories that we all buy into. as a film critic, what i wanted to do was think about what echos we heard from the larger culture and maybe pose some questions that might be useful. >> what do you think? >> you know, i think there's good points on both sides. i think she has point. i don't know what we could do about it. i was reading all the tweets coming through and the respo

it was this chilling video of santa barbara gunman elliot rodger's rant that ann hornaday says got hertely put "the washington post" film critic on the defensive. >> the whole reason i weighed in on this issue was that he had created this video on youtube that seemed to be such a product of the entertainment industry, that he did grow up in, literally, and also just as a member of the culture. >> reporter: hornaday weighed in in this sunday op-ed, suggesting films like universal's "neighbors" starring seth rogen, and comedies by judd apatow may have been partially responsible for encouraging the killer. how many students watch outsized frat-boy fantasies like "neighbors" and feel, as rodger did, unjustly shut out of college life that should be full of "sex and fun and pleasure," she asked. and how many men raised on a steady diet of judd apatow comedies in which the arrested adolescent always gets the girl, find that those happy endings constantly elude them and conclude it's not fair? rogen slammed the article as horribly insulting and misinformed. how dare you imply that me getting g