elements of the isi have been funding, arming and equipping the taliban right on through. are continuing to lose dozens of american -- >> greta: we are continuing to lose dozens of american troops. if the isi is working against us in afghanistan maybe if it new it is still occurring and not showing forward progress and we are losing people all the time. >> what we should be doing and i hope the administration is, leaning on the of pakistan in a big way to finish the job of cleaning isi up. when musharraf was president he changed it, in part, but not sufficiently. we leaned on him but we didn't lean on him enough. we need to really put pressure on the government. if isi is doing this now with a nominally democratic government in control imagine how bad it would be without our pressure on pakistan's government. >> greta: good idea in theory. the problem i have is president sar dairy of pakistan is -- president zardari went to his chateau in -- as 1800 pakistanis died and all their crops ruined, he went to france. he's also on the verge of possibility being indicted for crime

>> well, what the isi's motivation here is, is there are elements within the isi that is trying to hedgeheir betses. who think the u.s. is going to leave the region and they want to retain influence with the taliban and want to influence the reconciliation talks that are going on. the issues of the drone strikes in north waziristan and the border strikes that -- by the nato forces that killed the frontier corpsmen are related, but, is a slightly different issue. martha: interesting. now, we also know this week hamid karzai is in talks with the taliban, general petraeus said, you know, we're sort of bystanders in the process and watching that as it unfolds and hopeful, and guide where we need to. you know, there was a ton of stories in your paper and other places and reporters here as well, about whether or not, you know, karzai is trustworthy in this whole situation. what is your take on that based on the reporting you have been doing on the pakistani side. >> the pakistanis are nervous about the reconciliation talks and want a hand in them and don't think karzai is reaching out to them

and they report a taliban commanderer in kunar province saying that member of the isi are surging them to keep fighting u.s. troops, echoing a white house report to congress that pakistan's isi remains connected to certain terrorist groups. >> the isi's continued involvement with various entities, some of which we find troubling, remains an issue of concern between us. >> reporter: that assessment compounded with u.s. taxpayer dollars ending up in the hands of the taliban. raised eyebrows and concern of both parties on capitol hill. >> bret: jennifer griffin live at the pentagon. thank you. >>> bringing us to the featured text to vote poll. why are healthcare law waivers being granted? text your answer to 36288. type sr1 for the i election is close. sr2 for the law is flawed. sr3 for political influence. ñ÷ will bring you results at >> bret: we're back at the fox big board to look at the key senate contest. this is a balance of power, the current power in the senate has democrats holding majorities in both chambers, of course. the house and the senate in the house. they hold 57 seats.

one of the most important representations of isis is what we call the "isis lactans"; that's isis sucklingffspring at her breast. this is a kind of iconography that appears to have been terribly determinative in the early iconography of mary and jesus. >> narrator: worshippers of the age-old persian god mithras gathered in secret chapels throughout the empire. they would eat sacred meals together and celebrate their god's birthday on december 25. >> the egyptian cult and mithraism were two of the great religious movements of the time and certainly would have posed some of the most difficult competition for christianity. >> most people who study the origins of christianity are curious about how this unlikely movement would have succeeded in such a powerful and dramatic way. and it's not an easy question to answer, why this movement succeeded when others did not. if you think about the gods of the ancient world and you think about what they looked like, they looked like the emperor and his court. but this religion is saying that every person-- man, woman, child, slave, barbarian, no matter w

though the isi is maligned a lot in the media, it remains one of the closest allies, partners of u.stelligence. and in this particular instance, the united states is very happy, the american officials have told us that the quality of cooperation they have received from the isi is really 100%. >> so i guess the problem comes with the u.s. feeling that, okay, here you've got the suspected terrorist in northern wazirist waziristan, but the pakistani military will not go after them. that that's why they've had to throw these drone attacks into pakistan, because pakistan seems unwilling or unable to go get the suspected terrorists, or otherwise. >> i don't think that it's a question of unwilling or unable. it's a question of terrain, of geography. sometimes people in the united states think about pakistan and think that it's all flat land with everything visible. even the drones can not identify everyone in north waziristan because of the complexity of terrain. the pakistani military has fought very effectively in swath, in north waziristan. the only factor about north waziristan is the c

first we had reports today that members of pakistan's isi, that's the intelligence agency are encouragingtaliban to keep fighting nato. that echoed a white house report to congress suggesting that pakistan's isi is still involved with terrorist groups. here's what senator john kerry said outside the state department today. >> the isi's continued involvement with various entities, some of which we find troubling, remains an issue of concern between us. >> that's diplomatic speak, shep, for extreme frustration. >> shepard: extreme frustration. jen griffin at the pentagon. good to see you. thank you. now to the rise of freedom. our continuing series on fox report. our cameras have been following the rebirth of the world trade center site for months. we have made the commitment to do so for years to come. in fact, they are making so much progress it's really hard to keep up with all changes. we have also been getting to know some the workers behind this historic project. and for so many of them rebuilding ground zero is a lot more than a job. ♪ >> sean mcgwire is doing more than twisting pipe

aren't they supposed to be on our side, the isi? and admiral mike mullen has been somewhat outspoken and critical of the isi and some of their moves, urging them to sort of shift their strategic focus. again, there was a difference between, say, the intelligence arm of the pakistani government and the isi and some of the elements within it and the pakistani government, the generals an the officials with whom u.s. officials and u.s. military officials have very close ties. so again, this group you mentioned, they helped bring the taliban to power. they broke with them after the september 11th attacks. but obviously, u.s. officials have said there are elements within pakistan that want to make sure that pakistan has a place at the table. end la has also -- has interest there in pakistan. pakistan has interest there and more players on the table than just the united states. >> chris lawrence at the pentagon this morning, thanks. >>> the white house vastly underestimated the summer's oil spill in the gulf or tried to deceive the public

>>shepard: what is unfortunate, this is not new that the isi are supporting the enemy. >>reporter: everyone in the region has known this for a very long time. so, there is no news here. what is new is that the administration has decided to stop playing nice with the pakistanis and actually starting to come out with some of the things that have annoyed people in the military and the administration for a very long time. and there is a breakdown of that relationship between the u.s. government and the pakistani government and pakistani military and that is what is new here and we see that both with the incident offer the strikes and the accusations. >>shepard: everything that we are hearing, and help me if this, but it appears there is more of a strike according to our sources against the network in the north and that is basically a big crime syndicate. and there is a collision happen there and that is why we see more drone strikes and hear more about pakistan. >>reporter: that network is powerful with huge support from members of the isa for a long time and the americans

the cia shared intelligence to this effect with the pakistani interservices intel zbeps, though the isi'saligned in the media, it's one of the closest clab raters, partners and ally of the u.s. intelligence. in this particular instance, the united states is very happy, i can say this on your show that american officials have told us that the quality of cooperation they have received from the isi is really 100%. >> i guess the problem comes with the u.s. feeling okay, here you've got suspected terrorists in northern waziristan but the pakistani military about l. not go after them, that's why they've had to throw these manless, the drone attacks, into pakistan because pakistan seems unwilling or unable to go get these suspected terrorists or others. >> i don't think that is the question of unwilling or unable. it's a question of terrain, of geography. sometimes people in the united states think about pakistan and they think that it's all flat land with everything visible, even the drones cannot identify everyone in north waziristan because of the complexity of terrain. the pakistani militar

i can comment on my time working with isi, general kayani, chief of army staff with the head of isi atcounterterrorism success with the pakistanis. and at times, that was balanced with some tremendous counterterrorism frustrations. it's very difficult for the pakistanis to do some of the things that we think they have to do for our mutual benefit. >> for instance, going into waziristan and getting rid of some of these taliban and al qaeda that keep coming across the border in afghanistan. >> that's right. and that's north waziristan. and i have to commend the administration for their report to congress this past week that was both sober and somber, very candid in its assessment of what pakistan is and is not doing. and it attributed it not just to pakistani capacity, which is always stretched, but also to pakistani policy and willingness. i think that kind of laid down a challenge to the government in islamabad that we expect them to do more. >> we of course in order to make up for the lack of action in northern waziristan have been sending drones in record number in september. there i

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that is to ensure the legality of a debt t isis mechanism, we need to amend the eu treaty. >> the bestway to solve the problem is to tackle the issues and not sweep them under the carpet. >> the details of how a permanent crisis mechanism should work must be thrashed out in time for the next summit in september. >> we will have much more on that summit coming up later in this half hour. u.s. authorities are investigating what they're calling a potential terrorist threat after receiving intelligence that al qaeda in yemen may have shipped an explosive device to chicago. the security scare was triggered after suspicious packages were intercepted on their way to chicago. an american cargo plane in central england was intercepted, the other was at an airport in dubai. they then searched cargo planes in philadelphia and new work. so far, no actual explosives have been found. u.s. officials also ordered fighter jets to escort passenger planes from the united arab emirates into new york city's jfk airport because it was carrying a parcel from yemen. >>> at least 21 people have been killed, 45

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here is what he said about the isi. >> the isi's continued involvement with various entities, some of which we find troubling remains an issue of concern between us. >> reporter: that's a diplomatic way of saying what is on everyone's minds today here in washington. the white house, the state department, the pentagon, all concerned about deteriorating relations with pakistan right now and isi's involvement with the taliban in afghanistan. jon: hundreds of nato supply trucks are still getting stuck at the border there where pakistan shut down the border crossing and our troops can't get the supplies they need as they fight theafter began war. >> reporter: there are hundreds of supply tracks lined up at the main supply routes. there are two main routes from pakistan into afghanistan. ann patterson apologized for the killing of the three border policemen who were killed by a nato helicopter. many here in the pentagon thought that after that apology took place that the border would be open. just yesterday 70 nato trucks were torched and ended up in flames by militants inside pakistan in t

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just the, ah, corrupt government ministers who are benefiting from the drug trade, but you've got the isi in pakistan, the inter-services intelligence agency, they get a large part of their, of their budget from the illicit narcotics traffic from afghanistan. but a lot of people have got their hand in the till there. >> vanda, do you want to comment on the question of infiltration by organized crime in government? >> another good example is mexico where, um, the mexican state for decades has a corporate arrangement with organized cartels. essentially, the key law enforcement mexican institutions, ah, managed the drug cartels. they protected them to some extent, but they also told them what they could do and they couldn't. as a result of democratization in mexico from the 1980's onward, as well as a result of pressure from the u.s., the mexican state, and this kind of corporate arrangement has started targeting the cartels. but now the cartels are extraordinarily powerful because they had decades to grow, penetrate, ah, law enforcement institutions and when the state challenges them, the s

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isis because the president is the commander in chief and as we see his generals boxing him into a corner what does that say about who's running the government in this country do you think the day will calm where this war will follow us home well we've already suffered that that's what nine eleven was it wasn't blowback for our interference in that part of the world and now it comes back to us in many other ways. obama himself said he hasn't ruled out the possibility of another similar terrorist attack that would be blowback for our continuing involvement there but also it comes back in what's happening to our own country in. as our soldiers come home in terrible condition with. appalling physical and mental injuries and casualties and of course in what it costs this country to fight these illegal unnecessary wars and jones thank you very much for your time thank you. lead. showbiz stylist entertainment value of the insults really nice presentation high production success it's graphic so you see all of this is a way it's a little slow these people's attention by using techniques that are

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there are reports that the pakistani military and the isi have been warning the various factions that are battling the afghan government, the haqqani faction, the taliban, don't make a deal. don't make a deal. the americans are going to leave, you will still need us, and we need to make sure that pakistan's interests are safeguarded. we need to make sure that pakistan's equities are taken care of, as the phrase sometimes goes. what is your reaction to hose reports? >> i do not have personal evidence or intelligence that supports that interpretation of what has been going on. >> what about the litmus test for the pakistani military? we have discussed this before, and i asked you wing it was the last time you were on, i said, would it be fair to say that the test is, does pakistan go into north whaziristawaziristan. north waziristan, to explain to our viewers, is where most of the militant group that attacks non-pakistanis are based. those who attack afghans, indians, and western. so far, the pakistani military has launched a bunch of operations, but never yet went into north waziristan

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when we used to talk to president musharraf, he would say, i'm head of the army and the isi works for and the isa follows orders. we said are you giving them orders to hedge your bets and deal with terrorists. he said no. this goes back and forth. as i say, there is a lot of suspicion. there is some evidence it's not clear. and it is an issue that the united states does and must continue to push the pakistani government. the pakistani government has to understand you can't have halfway measures with terrorists. you either fight them or not. >> let's talk about the reports of potential negotiations or reconciliation inside of pakistan with elements of the taliban and the karzai government and that the u.s. presence over there -- seems like they're monitoring and not approving but not disapproving. >> two things. low level fighters out of the insurgency making peace with the government. that's what they call reintegration. that's going on. when you talk about reconciliation, that's an issue whether you should have negotiation with the highest levels of the taliban leadership. that's dis

job, we've had interviews with myself and others here, you used to say, you weren'ture et whether the isi, pakistani intelligence and or military, at least elements were aiding and abetting these extremists. is there any doubt in your mind now that that is going on? >> i think that's a very difficult question. because there is evidence on both sides of the issue. they, as secretary clinton said today, they are our closest collaborator in the counterterrorism efforts. and there's an he more-- enormous amount that goes on where we work together. on the other hand, there are areas which are very disturbing. and the general with cha charles ree rose segment alluded to them. i'm to the going to get into dispute of details. the fact is that we, that i think people are so into the narrative that you are hearing that they have not k3578 in-- examined the fact that we are working together closely against the terrorists, but not in every area. and one area in particular, north waziristan where the network is poised against the eastern part of afghanistan and cuts in towards kabul is an area of enor

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>> another criticism by the white house is that the spy agency, the isi, continues to give sustenance and support to the taliban. how can that be happening, again, nine years into this war and after billions of dollars that the u.s. is pouring into the pakistani government and military? >> i take very strong exception to these statements which have been going on maybe since 2004 because of a misunderstanding of ground realities and which i used to be saying after defeating the taliban after 9/11, i always was of the view that we need to change strategy. we need to go in for deals, so my strategy always was to strike a deal, strike a deal to wean away packtun away from the taliban. this is in my views are vindicated now when everyone is talking of going into some political agreements with moderate taliban. >> why is pakistan still a place where terrorists can plot and try to execute attacks against the west? >> yes, there is problems that pakistan is facing that we have extremism in our society, we have al qaeda and taliban, but what we maybe not understanding are the other causes. ter

and today's "wall street journal" alleging far worse, that the pakistani intelligence, the isi, is actively encouraging the taliban to keep up the fight. "washington post" doll up nist david ignatius has just returned from pakistan and joins me now. not just the military, we praised the head of the military for doing better than some of his press seders, but not good enough. but the situation with the civilian side with president zardari is really going downhill fast. >> the white house report that was just sent to congress gives a devastating picture of the zardari government, its declining popularity, the lack of confidence that the pakistani government has in government as a whole. according to this report, the only institution, really, that's trupsed by the public, is the military. you almost have the sense that the military's taking over more and more of the functions of government, while nominally staying out of politics. >> and not wanting to change it. there's tradition of the military warning the government. but general keyenny and his colleagues don't really want to take on the go

you have the network functioning as a proxy for the isi hitting indian interests in the interior of afghanistan. so until the pakistanis sort through what -- what they want to do and we work with them to establish some idea of who's on which side, we are going to see chaos. and this is where our being there in the numbers we are in afghanistan is not really helping the real heart of the issue, which is pakistan which is an extension of the cold war between the pakistanis and the indians. so we are two levels away from the the real source of the issue. >> so, what do you think would happen if the president of the united states came out and said we are pulling out of afghanistan, we are going to launch into -- a series of diplomatic and economic leverage with stack stan to try to sort out mess that that is? what would happen to our national security? i don't care what about what happens there? what would happen to american national secure fit it made that decision? >> frankly, i think enhanced on two levels. first off, expense, talking $800,000 per soldier deployed in theater. >> per day? >> $800

the role that the isi has played is known. there is a conversion in public opinion and perhaps that has not been fully appreciated in the u.s. line > >> the recent aid branding controversy gets at the question of goals. we do not have to choose between bolstering the u.s. brand and our relationships and saving lives and livelihood in most places of the world. both are in the u.s. national interest. some parts of pakistan present a rare exception in which the choice is required. what is best for long-term u.s. interests and the interests in pakistan? steady and quiet support for relief and development that instability over the long term or more limited but more explicit support that provides potentially a from wrote gains in popularity? how does investment in evidence based analysis factor into the strategic trade off? >> you are asking about putting usa on the delivery of goods, just for the translation for the audience. >> i think this is an important and serious issue and not one that has an easy answer. i will say from my f

also, the isi is not exactly simple to figure out. they have to aid us and we have to aid them. the drones are not exactly helping the situation, because we are killing too many innocent people and that has to stop. but i definitely believe they are an ally. host: "the new york post," and editorial opinion piece, from an american enterprise institute visiting scholar. "nato supply trucks being set ablaze an accent should send chills up the spine of every american -- set ablaze in pakistan should send chills up the spine of every american." he goes through some of the concerns he has. "last year, the u.s. launched 45 predator drone attacks into pakistan. this year we may almost triple that number, with 22 in september alone. u.s.-led nato forces in afghanistan are running cross border raids into pakistan to flesh out taliban insurgents. all this adds up to a u.s. effort in pakistan had the reminiscent of the one we undertook in laos in the 1960's, one of the springboards into the vietnam quagmire." jean-marie joins us, democratic caller. caller: i think the united states should s