whose book just out this fall the man who ran washington the life and times of james baker the third. of two brilliant books about it too complicated and fascinating men. they were born a decade apart. baker in houston in 1930 and holbrook 1941 holbrook a democrat, student of foreign policy. their lives had different trajectories but they both ended up in washington. picking up on that, this is a man with great ambition and even before he came to washington. he was expected to do great things. he had a very dominating father who imparted on him the legacy of his family. one thing they were not meant to do his politics. they break away from his father's domination and at age 40 he suffers a great family tragedy. his wife dies of cancer and the tennis court helps pick him up from the george hw bush on a whole different odyssey that put them in the center of world events. >> host: george i'm going to be going back and forth because the stories of the books are so rich we could go so many different directions but i want to try to weave these together. george packard, i use the word compli

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. >> the bipartisan commission chaired by jimmy carter and james baker said back in 2009 that mail-ining is fraught with risk of fraud and coercion -- >> but since -- >> and so this -- no. let me talk. >> yeah, please. >> and since this, since that time there have been in the newspapers, in networks, academic studies saying it is open to fraud and coercion. the only time the narrative changed is after this administration came in. lou: just this week 19 people in north carolina were charged with voter fraud because they voted, and they lied about their citizenship status, and a couple from california pleading guilty to bribing homeless people with money and cigarettes to forge signatures on ballot petitions and voter registration forms. this year more than half a million ballots already sent through the mail have been rejekylled, and more than -- rejected, and more than 40 people have been charged or convicted of voter fraud. and it's early yet. >>> up next, the latest fallout from nancy pelosi's, well, or stunning hypocritical trip to a hair is salon. but she is, after all, the queen

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chief white house correspondent peter baker and susan glassner, staff writer at "the new yorker," the co-authors of "the man who ran washington: the life and times of jamescongratulations, this book is incredible. it is just an amazing panoply of american history. and through your reporting, deep reporting on this unique individual. let's talk about debates, for instance. he was involved in everything in american politics, diplomacy, finance, for so many decades. he's known for his role in several key debates. peter, what are the expectations for tonight's debate for president trump and former vice president biden, first of all? >> well, i think that jim baker would recognize the dynamic is because donald trump needs to change the dynamics of this race. he's losing by eight, nine, ten percentage points. he's only got 35 days left until the election and he needs to shake things up. nothing has changed this so far. his law and order message, supreme court nomination. none of these factors have changed the underlying dynamics of this race. he needs tonight to do something to change the minds and to rally his own supporters in a way he hasn't been able to do

james baker and dr. edward lynch. the original proposal was modified to produce more spectacular results. on december 9, 1954, the go-ahead was given, and lockheed's chief engineer called together his tiny 26 men special projects engineering group. here were the problems they faced -- to design, build an airplane and fly it in eight months. an airplane that would crews well above 70,000 feet. one that would travel almost as far as a b-52 and remain in the air for 10 hours. a plane completely reliable with forced landings out of the question. a plane that would be the world's most stable aircraft for high altitude photography. a plane that would be flexible in concept to carry at least 12 different equipment loads and have no one penalize the others in weight. a plane that would weigh only 1.5 times the weight of the power plant. weight was the critical factor in the project. designers said they would trade their collective grandmothers for 10 pounds of empty weight. pounds in fact were called grandmothers weight could

baker and susan glasser look at career of former white house chief of staff and secretary of state james baker. jennifer offers thoughts on how average americans suffer when rich commit white collar crimes. american conservative senior editor argues that american christians are facing encroaching totalitarianism and find titles this coming week wherever books are sold and watch for many of the authors in the near future on book tv on c-span2. .. >>> welcome senator murphy. it's a pleasure to be with you today. itself was pleasure reading your book, the violence inside us. i found it quite compelling and learned a lot.

. >> reporter: finally after years of wranging itook james baker to broker a deal. now there's just one large metal tappest tri representing the 1 hoot-foot cliff on the coast of normandy scaled by army rangers under german fire on d-day. >> the funny thing is how do you make a pap es tri. it's just a big chunk of land. anyway, i did the drawing and the family liked it. there we are. >> reporter: another person who like the new design is washington post art critic phillip kennikut which saw it at least at night. >> this big long metal woven welded kind of abstract reynoldsering of the beaches at normandy. and it was gorgeous. >> reporter: he also like the statue of iesk as a boy, now set off to the side. it is going to be a surprise to people to see a reynoldsering of a heroic figure as a child. that's just not something you see. >> it isn't. it's lincoln on his thrown in the lincoln memorial or it's this massive oblistic that represents washington. > reporter: do you think eisenhower is deserve of a memorial? >> his stock has risen very much in the last decades. ci

in 2005, former president jimmy carter co-chaired a commission with james baker. of their main findings, absentee ballots remain the largest source of potential voter fraud. and the always reliable pro-democratic new york times had a similar take just a few years ago, error and fraud at issue as absentee voting rises, they said. times change. in fact, mail-in voting is vulnerable to fraud. we've seen recent examples in dallas, north carolina, paterson, new jersey, and elsewhere. so today we're going to try to determine the risk to this election. joining me is jay christian adams, president and general counsel of watchdog group public interest legal foundation. he's also a commissioner with the u.s. commission on civil rights. using government data, his foundation found in the 2016 election there were more than 41 million mailed ballots and almost 7 million, or 16%, were either undeliverable, rejected or whereabouts unknown, unquote. christian, thank you very much, indeed. >> thank you. gerry: democrats say absolutely no, and the media join them in saying there's n

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wednesday that will be one to watch ok thank you for that for now that sound diplomatic editor james baker. is their senior political analyst now and bashar joins us again from paris marianna's talking there to james about the america cause address what were your takeaways what stood out for you but probably the most important thing is the is this serious speech in light of the blockade. that was lucky because of the talks was issued on those very specific issues that the emir emphasize to the speech.

about former secretary of state james baker and you're as plugged in to thasc national ter establishment as any reporter i know. so i have to ask you after listening to what nikole said, why aren't the sources for jeffrey gdberg speaking out, the possible former generals or former officials, why do they stay quiet at this critical peter: well, that's a great question. one we spent a lot of time i think you're right. that there has been great truffings among the generals who have served president trump and those who have just watched from the outside. that he respects the military the way that previous he sees them, military as another political tool or that he doesn't respect service the way he treated john mccain, i think, continues to rankle i ink a lot of uniform service, particularly the officers. but why they haven't come out is a goodn. quest i think there are some -- particularly those who served president trump who tell themselves that it's wrong for generals to participate in the political et lection season, t to come out and be an acto the campaign stage in effect is -- unbecom

on wednesday that'll be one to watch ok thank you for that for now that sound diplomatic editor james baker. is their senior political analyst now and bashar joins us again from paris marianna's talking there to james about the america as a dress what were your takeaways what stood out for you but probably the most important thing is the is this serious speech in light of that lucky. cut that was blockaded because you got us position on those very specific issues that the emir emphasized to being a speech. that was blockaded because of its position on the likes of syria libya also the question of yemen and the question of us are and of course honestly taken the lion's share of the mirror speech and that's also a very very interesting pursuit of course were seen over the last few weeks it in the moment as issue that israel and the. 'd sizing more importantly international law and white be spent on have been going on here we'll without justice and i think it's in back since the consistency. each rhetoric despite the blockade of course means that the locket has spilled i thought it would be a

white house of the state department even though the americans obviously knew how ill the emir was james baker who was the secretary of state back in 1991 during the time when kuwait was a video by iraq while he was told that the emir was ill and commented that the world will miss his steady and. thoughtful hand we know that there had been tensions between the u.s. and kuwait in recent years even though since 1990 there has been a very close bond between the 2 countries in fact kuwait one of the few places in the middle east where you find great affection for the americans because of course it was the 1st president bush who put together the global coalition here in a very short 3 do war managed to expel the iraqis from kuwait but there have been some concerns particularly with the donald trump white house that the kuwaitis went quite on the same page as the americans the kuwaitis had built up for a lation ship with the iranians didn't immediately praise donald trump when he pulled out of the iran nuclear deal had also built connections with the chinese which some people in this white house saw

around the fundamental problem, which is the bipartisan commission chaired by jimmy carter and james baker set back in 2009 that mail-in voting is fraught with the risk of fraud and coercion. let me talk. >> please. >> and since that time, there have been in the newspapers, in networks, academic studies saying it is open to fraud and coercion. the only time the narrative changed is after this administration came in. but elections that have been held with mail have found substantial fraud and coercion. for example, we indicted someone in texas, 1,700 ballots collected from people who could vote. he made them out and voted for the person replaced the same address with several generations of occupants. do you think that's a way to run a vote? >> the only thing i'm saying is that so far we haven't seen widespread fraud. >> so far we haven't tried it. >> there are several states that only have mail-in voting -- >> this is playing with fire. we're a very closely divided country here. and if people have to have confidence in the results of the election and the legitimacy of the government, and pe

the life and times of james b. baker iii. just out today. to susan glasser and the guy she lives with, peter baker, thank you for coming on tonight. we appreciate it. that's going to do it for this extended bit of our coverage tonight. thank you for staying with us for our extended edition of the "the 11th hour." our post-debate live coverage continues with our friend ari melber right after the next break. these folks, they don't have time to go to the post office they have businesses to grow customers to care for lives to get home to they use stamps.com print discounted postage for any letter any package any time right from your computer all the services of the post office plus ups only cheaper get our special tv offer a 4-week trial plus postage and a digital scale go to stamps.com/tv and never go to the post office again. but my dream is to help young women feel empowered. i'd like to have online courses teaching them body positivity and self-confidence. but when covid hit, i needed a financial plan to make it a reality. without andrea, m

city it means they'll be no closed roads and no traffic jams with calm voice on the city's streets james baker is out at the united nations. running through the headlines now on al-jazeera u.s. democratic presidential nominee joe biden says donald trump's plan to replace the late supreme court justice ruth bader ginsburg before the election is quote an exercise in broader political power he wants senate republicans to delay a confirmation vote until after november the 3rd to jam this nomination through the senate is just an exercise in raw political power please follow your conscience don't vote to confirm any were nominated to the circumstances president trump consumer economy created don't go there and pull your constitutional duty your conscience let the people speak. in other news antigovernment protests are taking place across egypt demonstrators one president at the thought of sisi to step down security was heightened after calls for protests from the exiled opposition figure mohamed ali he is a former contractor for the egyptian military. well how do most egyptians unite out of love for

which expelled at the iraqis in a very short war in 1991 in fact a few days before the emir's death james baker who was the secretary of state at the time on being told how ill the emir was said that the world will miss his steady and thoughtful hand but of course there have been some tensions between this white house and the kuwaitis in recent years particularly because the kuwaitis had built bridges to the iranians refuse to be a few sit in praise for donald trump when he walked away from the iranian nuclear deal and also the kuwaitis had been building bridges with the chinese which some in this white house seemed to suggest was disloyal but having said all that donald trump just 10 days ago awarded the legion of met it to the emir in his absence in a private ceremony here at the white house during that ceremony he said that the kuwaitis were perhaps on the very edge of recognizing israel the way that other countries had done notably the m. ratties that immediately dispelled by the kuwaitis well aware of the strength of feeling not only in the national assembly in kuwait city but also on the

what would james a. baker of texas make of what passes for the republican party as we have this conversation right now tonight? >> well, i heard at least on a rival network they were allowed to use the word blank show on television, on live television. but i have a feeling that jim baker, he was known for his colorful expletives, and he'd use a lot of them after watching something like this tonight. honestly, this isn't something like we've ever seen really in american politics. and, you know, baker, although he fought hard and in a partisan sense, this is a man who always wore a tie and a suit and had a sense of decorum, and that obviously has been blown up in a way that probably doesn't serve anybody very well, at least those of us who had to watch the debate tonight, does it, brian? >> no, that's right. and, peter, i watched the conversation you both had with our friend nicolle wallace this afternoon, and i had not caught up with this and was kind of surprised to learn he is not a never-trumper. in fact, he

. >>> james baker is a man that understands the presidency and the politics of withining the presidencyso it is noteworthy he calls president trump nuts and crazy. now baker's resume is the stuff of legend. white house chief of staff. secretary of state. an adviser to four republican presidents. ford, ronald reagan, both george h.w. and george w. bush. the man that ran washington is the appropriate title of a book, they detailed his powerful role in republican politics and government for decades and they detail how he considered voting for joe biden because of his exasperation with president trump but republican loyalty appears to be withining out. quote, rather than reject a president they feared damaged the party and may drag it down to defeat republicans like baker doubled down on trump even at the cost of a trump presidency is too real for the country and baker personally. susan glasser joining us about this book. there's nobody not president of the united states who's not been president of the united states who had more influence on this town over 30, 40 years than jim baker so tru

glasser look at the life and career of former white house chief of staff and secretary of state james baker. jennifer taub has her thoughts on how the american suffer when the rich commit white-collar crimes and big dirty money. live not by lies american conservative senior editor argues that american christians are facing encroaching totalitarianism. find these this coming week wherever books are sold and watch for many of the authors in the future on book tv on cspan2. you're working book tv next poulter prize looks at the first 39 years of john f. kennedy's life, than author juliet sure the gig economy exploits users and workers and because of this weekends national book festival watch "after words" an earlier time, 6:00 p.m. eastern. tonight former fbi deputy assistant peter discusses his career in the work he did on the russian investigation find more information on your program guide or online @booktv.org. back good evening i am alan price director of the library and museum. on behalf of my library and colleagues i'm welcome all of you are watching tonight's program online. thank you

a former secretary of state james baker helped negotiate a compromise. >> jim called and, how about normandy shows the cliff's u.s. soldiers took on d-day. it's especially impressive at night. do you honestly, do you like the memorial, or are you just happy that something was built while members of the greatest generation are still around? >> both, probably. it's like legislation. you know, you finally vote for a bill. it's not the best possible bill, it's the best bill possible. >> chris: the memorial is on prime real estate across from the air and space museum. roberts hopes that will draw schoolchildren to take in one of the key lessons from eisenhower's life. they go from a small town america, a youngster from a great family and then west poind then the rest is history. it's just a tribute, really, to young people to really set their goals high and try to achieve it. >> chris: the eisenhower memorial will be dedicated on thursday and it opens to the public friday. and that's it for today, have a great week, and we will see you next "fox news sunday." ♪ we're living in uncertain times, bu

i think it was ap amazing testament to baker's skills really that they wanted him. >> the new book is "the man who ran washington. the life and times of jamesbaker iii" susan glosser and peter baker of "the new york times." thank you both. >>> jonathan lemire says tonight's debate could be a pivotal moment in a race that has otherwise remained stubbornly unchanged. jonathan joins us with his new reporting. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. ♪ k. ♪ bipolar depression. it's a dark, lonely place. this is art inspired by real stories of people living with bipolar depression. emptiness. a hopeless struggle. the lows of bipolar depression can disrupt your life and be hard to manage. latuda could make a real difference in your symptoms. latuda was proven to significantly reduce bipolar depression symptoms, and in clinical studies, had no substantial impact on weight. now i'm feeling connected. empowered. latuda is not for everyone. call your doctor about unusual mood changes, behaviors or suicidal thoughts. antidepressants can increase these in children, teens, and young adults. elderly dementia patients on latuda have an increase

susan glasser look at the life and career former white house chief of staff and former secretary james baker. jennifer offers her thoughts on how the average american suffers when the rich commit white-collar crimes and big dirty money. and in live, not by lies, american conservative senior editor argues that american christians are facing encroaching totalitarianism. find these titles this coming week wherever books are sold. and watch for many of the authors in the near future on book tv, on cspan2. and welcome to book tvs coverage of the 20 annual national book festival. its first year, 2001 it was held on capitol hill. then it moved to the national mall as it grew in size. and the last several years it has been at the washington convention center. this year, for the first time, it is virtual. book tv has several hours of coverage coming up tonight and tomorrow night as well. including live call-in opportunities. tonight you will have the chance to talk with "new york times" columnist gail collins and pulitzer prize-winning historian john beauchamp. that is all coming up along with author

and for that i have to thank, personally secretary james baker, who played such a key role and an importantectory, to make sure that we had a concept that was big enough to serve the purposes of history. all of these various thoughts coming together, made this memorial bigger and more meaningful and more monumental and. i am so deeply grateful for that. it was secretary baker's idea, to make the backdrop the beaches of normandy in peacetime. think of the wonderful significance of that. not only victory in europe but winning the peace after the war. and i hope many of you will have a chance, to visit normandy yourself to see the iconic spot it really is. for the last two and a half years, i've been working on a book called how ike lead, and it was released about a month ago. in any case, i studied my grandfathers presidential career and also dip back into his wartime leadership. that really form so much of his presidency. i was astonished to see, how many things i didn't know but also to see this enormous alliance between the person i knew, and the person who was depicted in the history book

. >> the bipartisan commission jimmy carter and james baker said back in 2009 that mailing voting is fraud with the risk of fraud and coercion. since that time, they are thin -- in the newspapers, and networks, academic studies saying that it is open to fraud and coercion. the only time that narrative changes is after this administration came in. >> martha: is so your state is not a universal male and state, but you will have a lot of mail-in votes. from the perspective on that, it looks like democrats, 68% of them say that they will be much more likely to mail in their votes, as opposed to only 17% of republicans. given that, do you think that it could be a long time before we know, or several days at least before we know how they did vo vote? >> that was certainly evident in the primary. i think most people know we are at the time of a pandemic, it's going to take a little longer. the idea that there's some kind of problem here with fraud is really just the data and the study show it's just not true. i think it's important for the administration, whether the president or attorney g

also stands as a symbol of compromise and progress. ,or that i have to thank personally, secretary james bakerh a key role and an important part in this trajectory. making sure we had a concept that was big enough that would serve the purposes of history. thoughtsese areas coming together made this memorial bigger, more meaningful and more monumental, and i am so deeply grateful for that. it was secretary baker's idea to make the backdrop the beaches of normandy in peace time. think of the wonderful significance of that. not only victory in europe, but winning peace after the war. i hope many of you will have a chance to visit normandy yourself to see when the iconic spot -- what an iconic spot it truly is. for the last two and a half years i have been working on a book. it was released about a month ago. in any case, i studied my grandfather's presidential backr, and also dipped into his wartime leadership that informed so much of his presidency. i was astonished to see how many things i did not know, but also to see this enormous alliance andeen the person i knew, the person who is depicted

it's the big biography of james baker. it is fantastic.ongratulations to you and susan, peter, with that. so welcome to all of you. peter despite me helping you sell that book, i'm going to claire mccaskill. claire, what can democrats do about this confirmation fight and what should they do? >> well, i think the most important fact is this is an abuse of power over a thick layer of hypocrisy. not a good look six weeks before the election. they need to treat the nominee with respect to point out that the nomination is abusive, and then they need to really just focus on health care, civil rights, voting rights, women's rights. this is an extreme candidate that would never have been nominated before 2017 because it would have been obvious she couldn't get 70 votes, 60 votes, so i just think they have to focus on the policy and treat her with respect and make sure the hearings don't turn into a partisan circus. >> lahnee chen, can this confirmation hearing become a benefit to the president without it becoming a partisan food fight? >> i think

>>host: he inherited the legacy of james a baker the third and it didn't hurt him at all he still has grit and resilience. talk to me about build on - - warren buffett such a mentor for bill gates. >>guest: in the history of the world nobody has made as much money as an investor for himself other people as warren buffett starting with nothing and one of the richest people in the world now he gives away the book of this money to the bill and melinda gates foundation you'll see a person bragging how rich or smart he is it's great when you can meet people that they are humble that's i like them to show his self-deprecating humor and not taking themselves too seriously. >>host: who have you not interviewed? >> queen elizabeth does not do interviews. the pope doesn't have never interviewed andrea mitchell i thought maybe i could interview her. >>host: that would be such a great pleasure. one of the most unguarded questions? >> i always like to ask people what makes them a leader sometimes i throw and whimsical questions one time i interviewed the ceo of an automobile company. i buy a car a

stands as a symbol of compromise and progress and to that i have to think personally secretary james bakerrial bigger, more meaningful and more monumental and i am so deeply grateful for that. it was secretary baker's idea to make the backdrop and the beaches of normandy in peacetime and think of the wonderful significance of that, not only victory in europe but winning the peace after the war. i hope many of you will have a chance to visit normandy yourself to see when iconic spot is truly it is. for the last two and half years i've been working on a book called how ike led and it was released about one month ago. in any case, i have studied my grandfather's presidential career and also dipped back into his wartime leadership that informed so much of his presidency. i was astonished to see a many things i did not know but also to see this enormous alliance between the person i knew and the person who was depicted in the history books. i was impressed by his craft of human nature, his belief in our country and commitment to service of the constitution of the united states. he always put hi

after years of wrangling between the commission and the family, it took former secretary of state james baker now there is just one large medal tapestry, representing print to oak, the 100-foot cliff on the coast of normandy scaled by army rangers under german fire on d-day. >> but the funny thing is, how do you make a tapestry? it is just a big chunk of land. anyway, i did the drawing. and the family liked it. and here we are. >> reporter: another person who likes the new design is "washington post" artt( critic philip kennicott, who saw it first at night. >> and the lights were just coming up on the tapestry, this big, long, medal, welded kind of abstract rendering of the beaches of normandy, and it was gorgeous. >> reporter: kennicott also likes the statue of ike as a boy, now set off to the side. it is going to be a surprise to people to see a rendering of a heroic figure as a child. that is just not something you see. >> it isn't. it is lincoln on his throne in the lincoln memorial. >> reporter: do you think eisenhower is deserving of a memorial as these things go? >> i think his legacy

it's called "the man who ran washington: the life and times of james baker." let me start with you, peter baker, on this stunning piece of reporting in "the times." take me through any highlights i missed or add context wherever you think it needs some. >> i think you hit the highlights. i think this tells us a lot about the president's own businesses, it tells us about his current and past financial conditions. hit i. it tells us a lot about his reasons for hiding these income tax forms all these years, taking that case all the way to the supreme court. and i think it tells us that this is a president who has presented himself as something that he is not, which is to say, you know, a high successful businessman who, you know, is top of his game and has always been successful when, in fact, what he's told the irs, anyway, is that he's taken loss after loss on business after business over the years. and i think that there are so many different details in here, the $750 figure is obviously just stunning and striking so many people, americans, of course, pay so mu

my wife and i have a biography of james baker coming out next week. he was george w. bush's man in florida. i think how those two campaigns handled it. it was very tough competition. in the end al gore and george bush had a fundamental respect for the process. neither was willing to push the system over the edge. both of them called on americans to come together and have faith in the outcome. even though democrats were unhappy with the supreme court ruling in the end there was the idea that ruling had been made and the election was over and we could have some faith in the system. that doesn't seem where we're headed right now. we're headed towards the scenario where the sitting president will cast doubt on the legitimacy of the outcome based on the facts. there will be a lot of democrats if joe biden loses that will have a question about the legitimacy as well. we're in for a rocky few weeks. >> one of the differences, ben rhodes, every count that was done and every count that ensued confirmed the outcome. it helped, but didn't go all the way to make people comfortabl