calhoun said jefferson came up with nullification. jackson said jefferson is a nationalist and you're betraying him. and then the nationalists would soon become the wigs said the founding fathers were consolidationist, much more stronger than even jefferson and you are all betraying him. the nation entered a period of constitutional crisis that would really continue all the way up until the civil war. >> just stepping back, do you attribute his status, jefferson's, to the authorship of the declaration, or in terms of being poised to almost usurp intellectually and in terms of the prominence of the statues? >> the declaration is important, but i actually attribute jefferson's prominence to actually the formation of political parties because when he won the election in 1800, the opposing party were the federalists and they disappeared. they were utterly obliterated and went into decline and there were no more federalalists by 1812 or shortly thereafter. and what happened was that was the end of the first party system. and then the beginning of

the timetable was we must decide by early october because of that debate and because of the jefferson jacksonn iowa, the florida democratic party convention at the end of the month. they are now thinking no, let's wait until november democratic -- possibly. we can still make the filing deadlines, we can see whether clinton starts to turn it around and we can wait until after her benghazi testimony and see how that affects her. and crucially, we give joe biden and his family another month to heal and get ready to take this on if they are going to take it on. mark: there is no way joe biden will be organizationally up to speed with hillary clinton whether he gets into day or a month and a half. all they need to do is make a filing deadline and get biden in most of the debates, and wait to see how vulnerable hillary clinton is. i always thought, he can wait a good long time as long as he's on the ballot. he doesn't even need to campaign that much. he can say i'm busy being vice president, my family needs me, go to iowa and see if there is a groundswell and wait for hillary to falter. john: what

the democratic party has decided to end of the name jefferson jackson dinner. what are your thoughts about the revisiting of how we observe history when it becomes offensive? >> we should always remember the people who signed the declaration of independence and constitution were slave owners and most of our early presidents were slave owners. when you learn about the great things that they did, you should put it into context. they were slave owners and today that does not look very good. i don't think we should completely ignore these figures as being important but i think we should realize they lived in a different time. project, the next eight years have been a great deal of this kind of work. how do you decide which project you will give money to and tell me about your favorite one. >> i try to do two things. one is by historic documents and put them on display were americans can see them and do more to learn more about it and perhaps be better citizens. i got some copies of the declaration of independence, the 13th amendment signed by abraham lincoln, the c

the democratic party decided to in the name of the jefferson-jackson dinner. about theour thoughts revisiting of how we preserve history when it becomes offensive to people? mr. rubenstein: i think we should always remember the people who signed the declaration and constitution were slave owners. most of our early presidents were slave owners. when you learn about the great things george washington and thomas jefferson did, you should put it in the context that they were slave owners. today that does not look good. i think you should learn the good and bad. i don't think we should ignore these figures as important, but i do think you should recognize this is a different time and they did things we would now find offensive. whichafter this project, started in 2007, the next eight years have been full of this kind of work. how do you decide which projects he will give money to? tell me about one of your favorite ones. mr. rubenstein: i tried to do two things. by historic documents and put them on display were america can see them and do more to learn about it an

the democratic party has just decided to end the name jefferson jackson dinner saying the figures no longer represent the party. what are your thoughts about the revisiting of how we preserve history when it becomes offensive to people? >> i think we should a always remember the people who signed the declaration of independence, one-third of them were slave owners. when you learn about the great things that george washington, thomas jefferson did, they were slave owners. so i think you should learn the good and the bad. i don't think we should ignore them a as being important. you should recognize they lived in a different time and they did things then that today are offensive and immoral. >> after this project, magna carta, 2007, the next eight years have been full of a great deal of this kind of work. how do you decide which projects you're going to give money to? tell about about your favorites things. >> one, buy historic documents and put them on display where americans can see them, think about american history, and do more to learn about it and perhaps be better citizens. i bo

this is a dress she wore in 1952 to the jefferson jackson day dinner where president truman officiallynnounced to the people he would not run for president in 1952 and it was an important event for bess. she would not be in washington dc in 1952 and would come home to independence. we have a number of photos of her wearing the stress. we did not originally have it. bess donated this dress to her church and someone there bought it and realized what it was and then turned around and donated it to the library. that signaled to people how she felt about her time at the white house, not that she didn't necessarily like it, but it was something that was really important her. >> that dinner was two days after they moved back into the white house. thinking of clothing, the president was pure palm beach dresser. very modern and kind of young. he was a trim man in shape and he walked like a madman. his own military antiwar double colored shoes and good-looking and pressed and just fine. he was aware of close himself. >> on twitter -- >> absolutely. one of her highlights of her early days in the

we had so many different presidents including jefferson, jackson, lincoln, there were other founderse hamilton, adams who made it very clear that the courts can't make a law, the constitution is expressly clear that that's a power for congress. it's encome bent upon congress to code my that into law. >> how is this different from 1967 the supreme court ruling that struck down bans on interracial marriage? if a clerk at that time, my religious beliefs forbid me from issuing that license, would you support that in. >> it's an incredibly different situation. >> how so? >> it's not the same, it's not even close. because in loveland, you had a marriage that was man and a woman and it was equal protection but it didn't redefine marriage. >> you didn't have the laws defining that -- >> again, it's a very different equation altogether, because this is a redefinition. marriage is not defined in the federal constitution at all. it's a matter for the states. applying the 14th amendment for the equality of men and women -- is totally different of redefining marriage. the overreach of the judicia

the racist roots of planned parenthood just like with the confederate flag and just like the jefferson-jackson dinners that the democrats celebrate every year. if you watched the videos that have come out of planned parenthood, harvesting little baby body parts and selling those body parts for a profit. that's disgusting. this is not a debate about abortion or even nonabortion. pro-life or pro-abortion. those who are even pro-abortion agree that these tactics are unacceptable. they have no place in our society. and if federal tax dollars should go to fund an institution that harvests baby body parts for sale? is absolutely as nine. -- asinine. you want to talk about health care? health care doesn't mean planned parent hoo. planned parenthood doesn't mean woman's health care. you talk about defunding women's health care? there is no less money. there is the same amount of money that goes to women's health care. that's a false argument. we spend the same amount of money. you say you know what? if we have an organization that supports the harvest and sale of body parts, our tax dollars probably s

you didn't see any move in the numbers until the jefferson jackson dinner in des moines in 2011. >> someone many candidates running and trump has 30%, it's a totally different dynamic. >> you know, carly fiorina, you've debated her. >> i've had the misfortune and i'm still in therapy, for some reason cnn put me against her in debate. i'll say it before and say it again, her mind is so sharp it should be registered as a weapon. hey, listen, she's quick. i'm telling you. >> i want to find a tape of that debate. >> listen, it wasn't just me. there were four of us. she mowed us all down. she's a force of nature. you've got to have two ceos on that stage and that's never happened before not just a woman, two ceos. let's see it. >> i want to thank our panelists. i want to thank everybody for watching. we're going to talk to everybody throughout the evening. one hour until the first debate. we're coming up just one hour until the start of the republican debate right here on cnn. jake tapper will be your moderator. that's it for "the lead." i'm anderson cooper. turn you over to wolf blitzer. we're

there is the first debate, there is the jefferson-jackson event in iowa that is a big democratic event with a lot of political significance. there is the state florida convention at the end of the month. those events would be good for him to take part in if he is going to run, but on the other side of the going, if they wait a little longer, he can still get ahead of the filing deadlines that file up in november, looting new hampshire where you have to get on the ballot. you get to wait and see if quentin -- if clinton's slide continues. you get to wait until after her testimy on benghazi hurts her or helps her. you get more time to read the wind and weather politically. you get time to put together the infrastructure of a campaign in waiting and you give him a little more time to process his grief and to bring his family to a place where they need to be to say, yes. >> the details are available online at bloomberg politics.com. thank you for your time. congress, then senate returns tuesday and they take another procedural vote on a measure disapproving of the iran nuclear agreement. a

this is a dress that she wore in 1952 to the jefferson-jackson day dinner. that was the dinner where president truman officially announced to the people that he was not going to run for president in 1952. he had the opportunity to do that, but he chose not to. and so it was an important event for bess. it signaled she wasn't going to be living in washington, d.c., after 1953. she was going to get to come home to independence. and we have a number of photos of her wearing this dress. we didn't originally have this dress. bess donated this dress to her church bazaar, and someone at the bazaar bought it, realized what it was, and then turned around and donated it to the library. but that kind of signals to people how bess felt about her time in the white house, not that she didn't necessarily like it, but it wasn't something that defined her, something that was really important to her, and she could just give things away. william seale: two days -- that dinner was two days after they moved back into the white house. and speaking of clothing, the president was a

the racist roots of planned parenthood just like with the confederate flag and just like the jefferson-jackson dinners that the democrats celebrate every year. if you watched the videos that have come out of planned parenthood, harvesting little baby body parts and selling those body parts for a profit. that's disgusting. this is not a debate about abortion or even nonabortion. pro-life or pro-abortion. those who are even pro-abortion agree that these tactics are unacceptable. they have no place in our society. and if federal tax dollars should go to fund an institution that harvests baby body parts for sale? is absolutely as nine. -- asinine. you want to talk about health care? health care doesn't mean planned parent hoo. planned parenthood doesn't mean woman's health care. you talk about defunding women's health care? there is no less money. there is the same amount of money that goes to women's health care. that's a false argument. we spend the same amount of money. you say you know what? if we have an organization that supports the harvest and sale of body parts, our tax dollars probably s

>> jefferson davis, stone wall jackson, am i right?arning the confederacy. >> pretty much lilly was the virginia flaggers' poster child. they loved to take pictures of her with confederate hats and shirts and bibs. i don't see her playing with toys in any picture. i see ammunition. he's allowing my daughter to play with live ammunition. i spoke to megan about it, and it was, oh, well, you know, take me to court. [ gunshot ] >> robert baumann came in to me, very concerned about his daughter lilly. i told him he needs to establish formal paternity and also request custody. >> i got to know robert very well as a parent. he asked me to write him a character reference to take to court. it was about lilly's best interest. so siding with robert was the right thing to do. >> the mother's own mother was prepared to testify for robert. and the mother's own sister was prepared to testify. now that is a total oddity. usually blood is thicker than water. >> it was going the be her way or no way. the baby was not going to go to school. she was not g

they can read you a law, interpret one but jefferson, hamilton, lincoln, jackson all were very clear.words were if you have the supreme court in essence making a lie you turn the constitution into and i quote a thing of wax. the court makes the decision but the people's elected representatives need to enable and empower that decision by legislation that code of fis it. exactly what statute did she violate? in fact there are 75% of the kentucky voters voted to affirm marriage, nothing in the federal constitution says a word of marriage. stuart: what i want, me personally, what i want is a campaign based on prosperity, return to growth, united states economy. what you are talking about is a distraction. you are arguing over something the supreme court has said this is the way it is. you won't get that change anytime soon. we want prosperity now. >> if the decision had gone the other way, 5-4 decision in favor of traditional marriage, that is it, the law of the land, would that have happened? stuart: no but i don't think the left would base their campaign on that issue. >> i believe they

i'm talking about the reality of when the courts venture into the territory that jefferson adams and lincoln and jacksonbody of law. separate from the two other branches of government, that is dangerous to the future of the republic and it is something to which we should absolutely resist. >> mike barnicle. >> governor, one more quick question here on msnbc morning bible class. it is this. what do you figure jesus would say and do if he were in little rock arkansas this morning about a flood of refugees in europe coming from syria and northern africa, what do you figure he would say about what the united states ought to be doing and what would you say? >> well, first of all, i think we need to be providing humanitarian assistance and providing food, helping them to be able to have a shelter. there are many ways in which we can be helpful. depending on again whether these are refugees that are truly escaping for their lives or they are merely running, that's a determination that has to be made on the ground as they are being evaluated. but absolutely we should provide humanitarian assistance for them. th

book i say he had the charms of thomas jefferson, the persona of george washington, the wily instincts of abraham lincoln, and the populace instinct seven andrew jackson. he was an incredible politician, and an incredible leader. what is interesting is a however hands on he may or may not have been, frankly almost aredost every day at 5:00 a.m. he had something called the children's hour where he would have advisors are good friends come in and he would mix the drinks and because he was a cripple this was an activity and activiref would energize him. they would never talk about politics. his days when not always be the toughest of days, sometimes he had a light schedule. i think it is safe to say that it all the major decisions that came not from his staff, not from his generals, they came out of what i put earlier, his fertile imagine natiover u it was done in shat hte of what marshall said they said that invasion would go down as the blackest day in american history. how wrong could they have been. roosevelt was able to peer out into the distance and in so many maes r decisions it was his doing. even when they were getting assistance from - lynn was

[laughter] jefferson: in her drive to save , to save him on death row, as it accelerated, it all comes down to what president jackson -- so she has to convince them. she writes an 18 page handwritten letter in which she , second by second detail, it, and everything that followed, so you get a very -- you learn firsthand exactly what she saw and what had happened. >> you had access to that letter? i found that in the pardon papers of the president. all petitions for the president go into a file. in the petition file, i found anna thornton's appealing for of arthur bowen, the original. --doesn't that raise for you how many other fascinating stories are just sitting here underneath another piece of paper? jefferson: after writing this .ook, many, many her i'm sure they are there, and i think they can be very unexpected and surprising. i'm still looking for it. [laughter] be one of the main lessons you got from writing this book or was there another one? jefferson: that was the big one, taughte way history is can be so misleading. the key is to get to the reality of how people lived, not the politics and the way history

think that that's one of the jackson is one of my heroes because he did get rid of the second national bank. and the first national bank was heavily criticized by jefferson and mason and some of the other founders. but, however, the nation or people saw fit to have the federal reserve act of 1913, i believe it was, and what the federal reserve act did, it enables the, enables the government to steal from its citizens through inflating the currency. that is, if you see the effect, the economic effects of inflation, it is to redistribute income from creditors, the debtors. and you ask is, well, who's the greatest debtor in our country? who is the great interest in inflation? namely, it's the united states government. i would suggest to people that if they're ever on trial charged with, charged with counterfeiting, they should just tell the judge that they were engaging in monetary policy. [laughter] >> so is i have, i think, an easy question, and i have no idea what your answer is going to be though, dr. williams. you been at this for a few years. are you optimistic for the future or pessimistic, and what is your reasoning for your answer? >> well, people

it's a reflection of a purpose that began with thomas jefferson to keep people on the farm and to keep that farm healthy. >> thank you. mr. jackson any comment on that question? >> yes. the most fundamental issue is is that farmers are working and producing and deserve fair price prices for their production. farmers want parity and not charity. 600,000 farmers have been driven from their land with no place to go. and now there's a move in the government to bail out the farm credit system, which i happen to support. on the other hand, these agents of government have -- it has to be defined by how quick we get those 600,000 farmers their land back. and then kb beyond that. supply management. agriculture is an international industry. we must have an international commercial on food and agriculturier, to. >> our character's at stake. we as a nation turned our backs on the hands that have fed us and that is a condemnation. if we can bail out europe, bail out chrysler, europe and japan, pay $18 billion cost overrun for a b1 bomber, we can bail out the family farm person. >> thank you. mr. dukakis? >> i think there are four things to do

jefferson to keep people on the farm. and to keep that farm healthy. >> thank you, mr. jackson, any comment on that question? >> yes, the most fundamental issue is that farmers are working and producing and deserve fair prices for their production. farmers want parity and not charity. 600,000 farmers have been driven from their land with no place to go. now, there's a move in congress to in effect bail out the farm credit system, which i happen to support. on the other hand, these two agents by government have 3.5 million acres of land taken from the farmers. it must be defined not by how many big farmers get more subsidy but by how quickly we get those 600,000 farmers their land back. and then go beyond that. supply management. agriculture is an international industry. we must have an international conference on food and agriculture, such to stabilize prices worldwide, establish a floor beneath which no farmer will fall. farmers want parity and not charity. if we give the farmer charity, we give ourselves a chance. i character it straight. we as a nation turn our backs on the hands that have fed us and that

jefferson warned about judicial tyranny and said this happens when you let the courts make law. that was followed by hamilton, adams, jackson decision. the courts then said that black people weren't fully human. i don't think anybody said we've got to follow the law because that's what it said. abraham lincoln ignored it because he knew it wasn't right. i think we're missing the bigger point. it's not just religious liberty but whether or not we're going to follow our constitutional prescription of three branches of government or whether we're going to have people that act independently of the other two branches. my problems with obama's overreach is just that. he acted without authorization from the congress. an executive can't act independently. but, ed, neither can the supreme court. it is not the supreme branch. >> we've been talking this morning about how it's been the summer of trump. ben carson also, carly fiorina, anti-establishment candidate. you're an anti-establishment candidate as well even though you served as governor. you like to run against the mainstream n 30 seconds, how do you make this, instead of the su

that he had the charms of thomas jefferson, the persona of george washington , the wily instincts of an abraham lincoln, and the populist instincts of an andrew jackson. he was an incredible politician and an incredible leader. what is interesting is that however hands-on he may or may not have been -- and frankly almost every day at five or 6:00 o'clock he had something called the children's hour or the cocktail hour we would have his advisors are good friends command, and he would makes the drinks. hehe loved to mix the drinks and they would never talk about politics. his days were not always tough. he sometimes a-uppercase-letter schedule, but it is safe to say that on all of the major decisions they came out from his staff, not from from his generals, not from his military advisers but as i put it earlier come out of his fertile imagination. indeed, the invasion of north africa that came in 1942 was done in spite of what eisenhower and marshall said. that invasion would go down as the blackest day in american history. how wrong can they have been? roosevelt was able to peer out into the distance, and in so many of the major decisions it was is do

franklin and jackson so i'm concerned with keeping the district stribt of that neighborhood what is our mission we trying to bring art to the city it is a fun entertaining night jeffersonpeaking we run from 6 to 8 or 7 to 10 and no alcohol served before or after with a 42, of course, no byob so this shouldn't be of concern either and then also i see none under the age of 21 will enter the premises and we make the point of ushering own out at 10 o'clock as far as community february not only nationally sponsored charities but work with nonprofits that's a from way of assisting the market and giving back it the community if so a big focus of the business as far as supporting the local economy going to the restaurants and bars under that area we hope to bring people in this is the first paint studio, if you will, in san francisco with my franchisee agreement he have the city locked up and no one else can come in we've b be doing marketing aaron social media that creates a buzz for the area generally speaking the layout i can only get thirty folks not 60 folks so that will pretty much element eliminate no byob and it end and 10 and the music is turned adopt and people have