this is the united states marine corp story in many ways that jeffrey goldberg was reporting. and so i immediately wanted to reach out to seth molten, congressman, former marine captain, four tours of combat duty. he's going to join us tonight. as i was in the middle of the article, i wanted to reach out to bob kerry, former senator bob kerry who left half a leg in vietnam. rachel, that was before i got to the horrible, horrible ending of this article in which you quoted where donald trump talks about his attitude toward not wanting to ever see amputees and wounded veterans because he said nobody wants to see that. >> yeah. and i just -- i don't have room in my -- you know, hopefully mildly empathetic understanding of the range of human emotions that is available to any of us to be able to con your that. i can't think my way into somebody feeling that way, let alone being repulsed by someone's decision to join the military. goldberg reports he sees that as a sign of a lack of intelligence or a lack of talent that you would sign up for the military and that he's repulsed and do

so that is mary trump's specific response tonight to what she has read in jeffrey goldberg's reporting. >> wow. and you couple that with the fact that she is the one who just, in her book, reported that the president threatened to disown his own child if he chose to enlist in the military because the president was so against it and so repulsed by that prospect. i feel like this is a part of this president that i'm not sure i ever wanted flushed out. >> and that cemetery that he refused to visit, of course, has many marines from world war ii. and so i immediately wanted to reach out to seth molten, congressman, former marine captain, four tours of combat duty. he's going to join us tonight. as i was in the middle of the article article, i wanted to reach out to bob kerry who left after a leg in vietnam. rachel, that was before i got to the horrible, horrible ending of this article in which you quoted where donald trump talks about his attitude toward not wanting to ever see amputees and wounded veterans because he said nobody wants to see that. >> yeah. and i just -- i don't have room i

unnerving report from jeffrey goldberg at "the atlantic," revealing that president trump has described members of the armed forces who have died in battle as losers and suckers. among the revelations in goldberg's piece is that upon learning of the passing of the late senator john mccain, trump vowed that the white house would not support his funeral, calling him a, quote, effing loser. the story also says that trump insulted the service of the late son of former white house chief of staff john kelly while literally standing at his grave. following the release of that upsetting reporting tonight from "the atlantic," a.p. reporter james laporta, who is very, very well sourced as a military affairs reporter, james laporta tweeted out this in support of goldberg's reporting. he says, quote, a senior defense department official i just spoke with confirmed this story by jeffrey goldberg in its entirety, especially the paragraphs about the late senator mccain and former general john kelly. joining us now is james laporta, investigative reporter for the "associated press." i should tell you h

but jeffrey goldberg at "the atlantic" very quickly got some important backup here on his reporting. veteran military affairs reporter james laporta, who no writes for the associated press, posted this within 90 minutes of jeffrey boldberg's art going life. a senior official i just spoke with kwirmted this story by jeffrey goemtdberg in its entirety, especially the graphs about the late senator john mccain. that reporter, james laporta, who says he has confirmed all of this reporting font, he joins us next, as does a combat veteran former air force helicopter pilot who was shot down while serving in afghanistan. she has had a blistering response to this from the president tonight. that's all ahead. stay with us. ♪ ♪ you can go your own way ♪ go your own way your wireless. your rules. only xfinity mobile lets you choose shared data, unlimited or a mix of each. and switch anytime so you only pay for the data you need. switch and save $400 a year on your wireless bill. plus, get $400 off when you buy the new samsung galaxy note20 ultra 5g. >>> so tonight we just got this unnerving report

jeffrey goldberg will be here to talk about that in just a moment. the story has been confirmed in part or its entirety by reporters at numerous other media outlets. okay? remarkably, a correspondent at fox news included in that line-up, whom trump promptly called on the network to fire. some of those corroborating stories included even more damning details about the president like this one from "washington post." "the president told senior advisers that he didn't understand why the u.s. government placed such value on finding soldiers missing in action because they had performed poorly and gotten caught and deserved what they got." and this from the "new york times." people familiar with mr. trump's private conversations say he has long scorned those who served in vietnam as being too dumb to have gotten out of it as he did through a medical diagnosis of bone spurs in his heels." back in 2019 trump's former lawyer and fixer michael cohen testified that trump had admitted to faking those bone spurs, telling cohen, "you think i'm stupid? i wasn't goin

jeffrey goldberg's reporting about donald trump refusing to visit a military cemetery in france because he was afraid his hair might get injured in the rain that day and the attitudes in that article that he expresses about the military. we got a statement from mary trump, and i was so -- about this, i was so fascinated to see you begin your coverage tonight with mary trump because as i was reading this, that's who i was thinking about this because

jeffrey goldberg, thanks for taking some time with us. i appreciate it. >> thank you. >>> for more on trump's view of the military, i'm joined by kernel lawrence wilkerson. you have been around high levels of the armed services. what is your reaction to what is happening now both in terms of the actual content and what it means about what's happening beneath the surface? >> chris, let me say one thing first. the interview you just did with jeffrey and the interview yesterday that paul and jeffrey did were the best modern disposition, if you will, on the need of a democracy for the media, for journalists like jeffrey and like these others i ever heard. and i think that's important to get that point out there. and their defense of anonymous sources, especially karl bernstein, he was eloquent in his defense of the anonymous services, for example, he and bob woodward used when they essentially helped to get rid of president nixon during the watergate crisis. so i think that is an important point to make. i want to emphasize that point. it's t

editor in chief of the atlantic jeffrey goldberg and republican strategist al carden as.elcome to sunday. it's "meet the press." >> from nbc news in washington, the longest-running show in television history, this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. >>> good sunday morning and we're going to get to all of the political news of the week and boy is there a lot of it in just a moment, but we're going to begin with the epic wildfires out west. fires burning in california, oregon and washington state have now consumed some 4.7 million acres this year alone. at least 33 people have been killed throughout the pacific region and with many people missing officials fear the toll will go much higher. whole towns have been wiped out by these fires which have consumed areas the size of some of our smaller states and the tragedy has renewed warnings that unless we take serious steps to control climate change and now scenes like these will become more and more common, perhaps maybe it is too late that this is the new normal. nbc news' aaron mclachlan. aaron, set the scene and is there

jeffrey goldberg is the top editor of "the atlantic". one of the most respected journalists in washington. he has sources at high levels who have confided in him for years. this has to be taken seriously as your panel just said, and other outlets are starting to match this. i think, don, we have to keep the white house's credible in mind when he cover this. but it is also incumbent on the sources, on the people that are talking to goldberg, on the people that are talking to other outlets -- the president's denying it explicitly, so it's put up or shut up time. it is september 3rd. the election is in two months. what are these figures doing where they are insisting on anonymity when we know so many people have already left the government? there are so many former trump officials who are no longer in government. why aren't these people coming forward and putting their names to these quotes? i think that's a big question for the morning. where are these sources? who are these sources and will any go on record now? >> especially the reaction

you know, jeffrey goldberg, we are in the stage of the campaign where you do have a lot of democrats starting to second guess some of these biden decisions. are they campaigning enough? they're not talking about the economy enough. look, the polls have held steady, but -- i understand the fear, but is it -- is it well-placed fear or not? >> it's probably not entirely well-placed fear in the sense that the polls have been -- remarkably, unusually steady and that trump keeps self-owning in a kind of way. it's not surprising that bernie sanders is arguing for what bernie sanders is arguing for. the same with other people. i think the biden campaign's advantage right now or one of their advantages is that relatively speaking they're focused on winning rather than litigating old arguments. and the trump -- and one of the things they're obviously trying to focus on doing is throwing trump off his game constantly and trump is easily thrown off his game. so, you know, the anxiety is totally natural. the stakes are extremely high, but on the other hand this campaign is not going badly for him

this i think we should put jeffrey goldberg on the case.joe biden's position and whether or not he knows what position he really holds today. that would truly be fair. anonymous sources on the record whatever you want. will: you will need it pete: if you don't need anonymous sources it's too easy. pete: few additional headlines this morning a woman in the car when it drove through a protest in times square is speaking out. we all saw the video. juliet says she was a passenger in the car. she told freedom news the driver was trying to get her and others to safety after hundreds of demonstrators started harassing them and hittings their car. police say their investigation is ongoing and no charges have been filed. and the country's largest police union endorses president trump for re-election. the fraternal order of police praised the president for his focus on law and order. the union releasing a statement writing in part, quote: during his first four years, president trump has made it crystal clear that he has our backs. the union also endo

read jeffrey goldberg's article., into his core, who he really is as a person. he's told us along the way, but i think this really boils it down in terms of who we are as a country, as americans, as patriots. this president's quotes point to the fact that he is anything but. and there's no if, and or but about that. it is very clear that he is something very different, and what he is drawn to is very different than the core values of this country. and that's the choice in november, if we get it. that does it for us this morning. stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. >>> hi there. i'm stephanie ruhle. it's friday, september 4th. let's get smarter. right now, voting is officially under way as the first ballots are sent out in the state of north carolina. and as they are, the president is doubling down on telling americans to potentially commit a felony. here's what he told supporters in pennsylvania last night. >> what you have to do is send in your early ballot and then go and make sure that ballot is

there he is, jeffrey goldberg. he is standing by. we will discuss. >>> and later we'll take you inside the fight against the record-setting wildfires scorching california right now. . that includes temperature scan, sanitizing everything and all of our staff wearing gloves and masks. not that mask. this mask. that's the visionworks difference. visionworks. see the difference. ♪ ♪ [ engines revving ] ♪ ♪ it's amazing to see them in the wild like th-- shhh. for those who were born to ride, there's progressive. >>> president trump is set to be visibly distressed by the fallout from the article published by "the atlantic" quoting multiple sources as saying he disparaged americans who died in wars as both losers and suckers. although the president is forcefully and repeatedly denied making such statements, cnn and several other major news organizations have matched parts of the reporting. we're joined now by "the atlantic's" editor in chief jeffrey goldberg. let's discuss the fallout from your bombshell article. you say the reporting is o

first, reported by jeffrey goldberg in "the atlantic." and later, by other outlets, including, notably, fox news. this is from goldberg's account of the president's cancelled 2018 visit to a french cemetery, where hundreds of marines killed in the first world war are, now, buried. a revered place for u.s. marines. he writes, quote, trump rejected the idea of the visit because he feared his hair would become disheveled in the rain. and because he did not believe it important to honor american war dead, according to four people, goldberg says, with firsthand knowledge of the discussion that day. goldberg continues, quote, in a conversation with senior staff members on the morning of the scheduled visit, trump said, why should i go to that cemetery? it's filled with losers. in a separate conversation, on the same trip, trump referred to the more than 1,800 marines who lost their lives at belleau wood as suckers for getting killed. goldberg also recounts the visit he made on memorial day, three years ago, to arlington national cemetery with t

correspondent peter alexander, "new york times" chief white house correspondent peter baker, and jeffrey goldberg, editor in chief of "the atlantic. the new book from "the atlantic" is "the american crisis," from the writers of "the atlantic." jeffrey has had a number of significant, significant interviews lately, we'll get to that in just a moment. peter alexander, let's talk about the bilateral meeting. there have been a couple of questions thrown to the president, what have you learned? >> that's exactly right, andrea, the president is hosting the prime minister of israel, bibi netanyahu. we're told by reporters that the president presented netanyahu with a ceremonial key to the white house. the relationship between these two men obviously has had its benefits for both sides. netanyahu has benefitted obviously from his relationship with the president, a lot of them happening before elections for netanyahu, among other things, president trump recognizing israel's authority over the golan heights right now netanyahu has been facing a series of damaging reports not just around corruption allegati

joining us now, jeffrey goldberg, editor and chief of "the atlantic." the article making all the headlines today, concerning the president's comments about john mccain and other fallen service members. you heard what the president said, calling it fake, disputing it vigorously. can you tell us your reaction to the president's reaction? >> it is not fake. it is real. this story is extensively sourced and entirely accurate. that's all i can say. this is not the first time, of course -- certainly mott the first time today that the president has cast aspersions on journalism that doesn't reflect well on him. his reaction is completely predictable. you're right, it's very vigorous, and i think that these vigorous denials are motivated by a realization -- i think you were talking about this earlier in your show, a realization that these kinds of comments that he's made really don't reflect well on him among a certain kind of voter he actually needs very much in a couple of months. so i think that's a little bit of the energy there, is from that realization. >

he called jeffrey goldberg third rate which makes no sense. all the name calling does back ups the claims in goldberg's story about trump calling vets losers. i mean trump has used the word loser hundreds of times. more importantly multiple outlets including cnn and most notably fox news, have corroborated key aspects of goldberg's report, about disparaging veterans. the focus should not be on toothless denials from a pathological liar or those complicit, the focus should be on the claims and corob brags and on the open secrets that are sometimes spilling out. as david wrote of "the washington post" this weekend, he says, it has been an open secret in washington that many prominent retired four stars have regarded trump with growing horror as he assaulted the traditions and discipline and professionalism that are bedrocks of military life. an open secret. why is it so a secret? why don't they speak out? why do they leak instead. it's complicated. i get it. here's what happens where anonymous sourcing rains. they want to argue about goldberg's u

molly, jeffrey goldberg claims four unnamed sources on reporting on thee the french cemetery. i know you have a problem with anonymous sources. as i learned during my years of reporting, sources are sometimes the only way to get a story. >> right. all reporters use anonymous sources. you don't want to overuse on on uananonymous sources. the trump administration has seen so many of these information operations where current or former government officials get reporters to allow them to be anonymous, to spread narratives that turn out -- you find out days, weeks, months, sometimes years later, that the narrative they spread was false. what's important for reporters to do here if they want to participate in information on of presentations which i would caution them to be thinking about whether that's a good idea, make sure you include all of the on the record reputations from government officials, we're up to 10 of or 12 now from firsthand accounts in many cases, the evidence including government documents that dispute the story and the years of photographic evidence of how donald

general kelly or secretary kelly has not. >> jeffrey goldberg was on cnn this morning talking about thisnd that his sources prefer to stay off the record because, quote, they don't want to be inundated with angry tweets and all of the rest. we are two months out from an election and goldberg described the sources as those with firsthand knowledge and, david, do these people owe it to the nation, these people who are sourced in this piece, do they owe it to the nation and their fellow service members to go public with something as important as this? >> i think it is important for them to do it. but every individual has to make that personal choice of where that line is for them. the fact that they've spoken out even anonymously is still important. i have no reason to distrust what jeff goldberg has reported here. and there is several sources. it would be helpful if individuals came out but i could understand as vindictive as the president has been in the past, for them to be cautious about putting their name on things and getting themselves dragged through the mud. >> thinking ahead to th

the sad fact is, for debating whether this is all believable, jeffrey goldberg would not have gotten as far as he has gotten in the journalistic world if he made things up. i also know him personally. i don't believe he made it up. second, i comports with who donald trump is and everything he's actually said out loud, arguing with gold star families, saying in front of general kelly, his chief of staff, whose son was killed in iraq, in front of his grave saying i don't know what's in it for them. he doesn't understand the idea of honor. so i think when you start to look at the military and start to look at donald trump and how he feels about them, and the fact he would want to engage the military against its own civilians, his own citizens in the united states in these protests which he classifies as riots, the military is going to have a second look. we've already been through an administration with joe biden, and i can say that there's a lot more support on that side than there ever will be with dronald trump. >> rick tyler, thank you for that. i also want to point out the group vo

i think it's a fool's errand we have to corroborate jeffrey goldberg's reporting.ut seeking to match it. what do you make of this picture of donald trump as possibly a threat to go out and look for wounded soldiers in action. >> i lost my call -- just a second. one thing i want to point out, and my colleagues understand this. people are saying why isn't john kelly -- jeffrey -- >> rick, we are going to fix your audio. i don't want to miss anything you are saying here. this is too important of a day. if i can't hear it, i am guessing that some of our viewers can't listen. >>> mark is the author of an upcoming book "the luckiest man" life with john mccain. mark, you don't do a lot of this. when i reached out to you last night i was shocked you agreed to come on. what was it about jeffrey's reporting that put you over the edge. >> jeff is a very good reporter with a reputation for honesty and fairness. to be candid, used to hearing trump insult john. it has happened so often it's almost tedious. i don't mean to make light of it, but you eventually get used to it. even

jeffrey goldberg is a journalist with very high credibility. the administration do not have high credibility, but everybody is going to make their own judgments on that score, and jeffrey does say more reporting is going to come out. it sounds as if he's working on more stories and perhaps in those stories somebody goes on the record which would make this disagreement a little easier to focus on. >> before you go, john, there's that and the reporting that it sounds like you're right it is coming out and does sound like goldberg may have some, three books with the president and his presidency are being released in the next week and a half. one by the president's former lawyer and self-proclaimed fixer michael cohen, and i should just note here, right, because he says all these things about the president being a liar and a cheat and according to federal prosecutors in cohen's own guilty pleas nine of them on counts like tax evasion, lying to congress, campaign finance violations, i guess the question is what are voters going to take away from mic

trump answered questions about the reporting on this, first reported by jeffrey goldberg in the atlantic and later by other outlets including fox news. this is from goldberg's account of the president's cancelled 2018 visit to a french cemetery where hundreds of marines killed in the first world war are now buried a revered place for u.s. marines. he writes quote, trump rejected the idea of the visit because he feared his hair would become disheveled in the rain and because he did not believe important to honor american war dead according to four people goldberg says with firsthand knowledge of the discussion that day. goldberg for the atlantic continues quote, in a conversation with senior staff members on the morning of the scheduled visit, trump said why should i go to the cemetery? it's filled with losers. in a separate conversation on the same trip, trump referred to the more than 1800 marines who lost their lives at belleau wood as suckers for getting killed and then the hs secretary and retired general john kelly i mentioned earlier and as i said, general kelly's son robert is bur

i want to read part of jeffrey goldberg's article. a 2018 white house planning meeting for such an event, trump asked his staff not to include wounded veterans on grounds that spectators would feel uncomfortable in the presence of amputees. quote, nobody wants to see that, he said. end quote. again, i mean, the president's denied the recording in tportin article. do you think he can even remotely comprehend what you and other wounded veterans have -- have been through? i mean, somebody, obviously, who has gone to great lengths not to serve. and, you know, the very idea of service of that sort is -- i mean, it's like speaking a foreign language to him. >> it is like a foreign language to him. as -- as sully said, the man does not recognize courage because he's a coward. he has never done anything that was a service, in something greater than himself. he is a transactional, narcissistic, egotistical human being, who thinks only about himself, first, and foremost. and what is in it for him. so he can never understand the sacrifices of th

the left-wing magazine, "the atlantic," and its editor-in-chief, jeffrey goldberg, using four anonymousources. well, they're trying to propel more radical dem lies about president trump. the article claimed the president disrespected troops, and the story falls apart under the most elemental fact checks and is easily refuted by documentary evidence and with more than a dozen public sources in the administration. official e-mail records show bad weather is what prevented the president's trip to a u.s. military cemetery in france in november of 2018. perhaps more intriguing than the phone gnu details of the -- phony details of the story is the level of coordination displayed among the. [laughter] -wing national media, big tech, republican rinos, radical dems and the biden campaign. this latest media hit job spread across twitter and facebook timelines without even a hint of a fact check label from those social media platforms. you do remember they want to be arbiters of truth or they don't? depends, i guess, on the ideology of the person using the platform. a left-wing veterans group call

something to me, too. >> jeffrey goldberg gets lot of people to talk to him.gree with you, chris. i think there is this -- trump has a category cal aversion to empathy. in kenosha he was asked by a reporter what words do you have for the family of jacob blake. and trump couldn't even muster a shred of kindness and just said i would feel bad for anybody that lost their life that way. i mean, this goes back to this original, i think. the cruelty is the point. the cruelty has been central to trump's brand. and empathy is a rebuttal to cruelty. so i think both for personal reasons and pactical reasons is unwilling to completely open himself up to the crushing humanity of the moment. that is where biden is so uniquely positioned. you know, the country is grieving on a number of fronts. biden talks about the loss of his family members but he is uniquely positioned to talk about the mourning, which is what we are in a prolonged period of, especially in contrast with the commander in chief who is more than reluctant to do it, just refuses to do it. >> i want to play t

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at the atlantic, especially jeffrey goldberg at the atlantic, but frankly every member of the crazed anti- trump establishment state media. what are you doing? isn't our country divided enough. why are you making it worse? i've watched this week as you've riled up your base with hysterical conspiracy theories about a trump coup and the end of our democracy. it's ridiculous. the president's term legally ends next january. if there's no clear winner by then your friend nancy closely will be the president. you know that. when the president talks about not accepting the results, he is simply reserving the right to challenge dubious outcomes in the courts. exactly what the democrats are doing led by this man mark elias, you know that. it was hillary who said joe biden shouldn't concede even if he loses. you know that. it's the democrats misguided push to mask mail and noting that means were in for election chaos. you know that and it's democrat losses in michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania and elsewhere that are making it worse by trying to extend deadlines. you know that too. last week i s

we are joined by jeffrey goldberg, the editor-in-chief and he broke this story.weeted this morning that he never called john mccain a loser and we know that's not true. he called john mccain exactly that in 2015, but let me ask you your response to his denial of this story regarding the visit to the bella wood battle scene outside of paris in 2018. how do you answer those denials? >> i stand by my reporting. i have multiple sources telling me this is what happened, and so i stand by it. >> let me read some of that reporting that you are putting out in the atlantic. you know, there were so many questions, jeffrey, as you'll remember when that trip to the cemetery at bella wood was canceled, so back here everyone was struggling to figure out what happened, was it weather related? did he just want to come home? so your reporting says in a conversation with senior staff american members, he said why should i go to that cemetery, it's filled with losers. he referred to the 1,800 marines who lost their live as suckers for getting killed and he asked aides who were the

jeffrey goldberg obviously the editor who wrote the story about president's disparaging remarks about u.s. servicemembers says he "fully expects" even more to come out. the president spent much of the weekend on the attack, he railed against goldberg and several other journalists at numerous outlets who matched a lot of "the atlantic" own reporting. with me is john harwood and assistant editor at "the washington post" david sworlik. david, your paper matched a lot of "the atlantic" report and so it cnn and abc and fox news. you have a new piece detailing the historiff of the presidents attacks on those on john mccain, deferments four finals over from serving in vietnam. what do you think people should expect in terms of goldberg's words there is more to come here? >> well i think everybody's looking to general kelly, poppy, because he was featured prominently in the article even though none of the quotes were attributed directly to him. and so i think as reporters like jeffrey goldberg, like my "the washington post" colleague alex horton continue to dig into the story they look to fin

jeffrey goldberg was the reporter at the atlantic magazine who first published these comments from the president last night. the white house initially seems to have thought they could brush this off with their usual bluster and saying it's all lies. but within less than two hours of "the atlantic" publishing goldberg's piece, a.p. investigative reporter james laporta was able to confirm for the associated press the entirety of the atlantic story, and as he told us last night, he was able to confirm that with senior dod sources from the u.s. marine corps. beyond the confirmation from the associated press, by late last night, "the washington post" has also confirmed the main points of the story, and then later yet, "the new york times" today confirmed the main points of the story. each of those entities adding their own further detail to this very granular reporting, again, with multiple sources. so what the white house woke up to today, along with its newly public plans to kill off the historic century-old gis newspaper in this country for no reason, was reporting confirmed by multiple

i want you to listen to what jeffrey goldberg told me in the last hour. then we'll discuss. >> there is some hesitation to go out and become partisan in any way. there's also a countervailing feeling on the part of some people that this is not a normal situation. i think that there's a lot of internal, let's say, and external pressure on various people to make statements of some sort before the election. >> so what do you think, tom? >> well, you know, jeff's a great reporter, and i certainly trust his reporting, first of all. secondly, i would say he's absolutely right. you know, our military leadership are born and bred basically not to involve themselves in politics. when the commander in chief gives an order to salute and not to make themselves basically partisan, political actors in the public sphere, especially on the eve of an election. that said, i think everyone agrees this is an extraordinary election. there's enormous stakes, and people do believe that some of these military leaders have been witnesses to deeply aberrant behavior, the kind of b

we first brought you this scathing reporting from "the atlantic's" jeffrey goldberg reporting last night. that revealed that the president cancelled a trip to the american cemetery in france, not because of the safety of traveling there in bad weather but because he was worried about his hair getting messed up in the rain and because, as goldberg writes and i quote here, trump said, "why should i go to that cemetery, it is filled with losers." in a separate conversation on the same trip trump referred to the more than 1,800 marines who lost their lives as suckers for getting killed and it was just the start. goldberg has not revealed the names of his four sources with firsthand knowledge of this, but while the white house rolled out denials from current and former staffers two big-name alums have been silent. they haven't said anything. the former defense secretary, james mattis, is one of them, and former white house chief of staff john kelly. kelly's son, by the way, robert was killed in afghanistan. when that silence was pointed out this evening by a reporter the president didn't remi

i want to read part of jeffrey goldberg's article.a 2018 white house planning meeting trump asked his staff not to include wounded veterans on grounds spectators would feel up co uncomfortable in the presence of amputees. do you think he can remotely comprehend what you and other wounded veterans have been through? i mean, somebody who obviously has gone to great lengths not to serve and, you know, the very idea of service of that sort is -- i mean, it's like speaking a foreign language to him. >> it is like a foreign language to him, assullenberger, the man doesn't recognize courage because he's a coward. he never did service something greater than himself. he's a narcotissist and what isn it for him. he can never understand the sacrifices for men and women and their families that serve in the military and why they are willing to surf forerve for a c greater than themselves. he's never done it and never will. >> i'm stunned by one hand he says nobody is better than the military and cares more but at the same token, again, he's pub l

the numbers anthony talked about, but we're going to start in this piece in the atlantic by jeffrey goldbergad disparaging things to say about those who fou fought in the military and died. do you think this matters at all in the campaign? or is it just another flashpoint? >> it is certainly a flashpoint, where i think the biden campaign believes there could be potential political advantage for them. with rank-and-file, members of the military and their families and military veterans, and it is part of a broader appeal to pick up independents who might have voted for president trump before, and don't want to this year, but still need reason to vote for joe biden. so i think what we saw when this was released -- and again, these are remarks that the president and his team strongly dispute and we've seen more people on the president's side put their names to those disputes than, of course, people who confirmed it for jeffrey goldberg. this isn't now just about john mccain or about military leaders that the president would have met with to discuss military policy. it's about you, you and your m

>> at issue is a report from "the atlantic's" jeffrey goldberg who writes in the morning trump was scheduled american cemetery near paris where american marines are buried, a piece of the article. in a conversation on the morning of the schedule visit trump said, quote, why should i go to that cemetery? it's filled with losers. in a separate conversation on the same trip trump referred to more than 1,800 marines who lost their lives as, quote, suckers for getting killed. earlier today goldberg responded to the pushback from the president and several of the president's aides. >> i stand by my reporting. i have multiple sources telling me this is what happened. >> with me to discuss are cnn's diplomatic admiral rear admiral admiral di admiral kirby. i want to start on the impact of this. you served for quite some time. if you're a member of the service whether you're a private or a general, what is it like to read this report that suggests, and cnn has not been able to independently confirm this, but jeffrey goldberg called heroes suckers and losers. >> very, very disheartening, john. i so des

let's not quarrel over jeffrey goldberg's quotes. just listen to what the president said yesterday and you'll know the essence of the contempt he feels for the military. >> and willie, as always, david puts it so well. because even though jeffrey's quotes in "the atlantic" have been confirmed and as you read them, you knew for the most part who the sources were just by reading the quotes. put that aside. if you're not going to believe your own lying eyes, as the saying goes, just watch donald trump accuse men and women who have dedicated their entire lives in uniform to serving this country, accusing them of killing young soldiers for war profits. this, of course, is especially rich coming from a man who continues to refuse to condemn vladimir putin for putting bounties on the heads of american soldiers, which his own intel agencies have been begging him to say something since march. but here we have -- again, we saw it several years ago, when he was in helsinki, where he took the word of vladimir putin over his own intel agencies. a

today at "the atlantic" magazine, reporter jeffrey goldberg, who had the deeply unnerving scoop about a week ago about the president calling american service members losers and suckers and him being disgusted by the presence of wounded veterans, today jeffrey goldberg had another scoop, landing the first print interview since the impeachment of the president this past december with lieutenant colonel alexander vindman, who of course was a first-person witness to the conduct of the president toward ukraine, which led to the president's impeachment in december. well, now tonight, lester holt from nbc news has just done the first interview with colonel vindman for television, and it is a remarkable thing. >> what is your message to young military officers about speaking truth to power? >> i -- i will tell you that i'm concerned about -- one of my major concerns about how this played out, i had a lot of peers and younger officers reach out and soldiers reach out and just people i didn't know to pass support. what i'm concerned about is there was an undertone to kind of some of the respons

. >>> when we come back, it has now been five days, just five days since jeffrey goldberg's reporting"the atlantic" that quoted donald trump calling american soldiers killed in combat losers and suckers, and those comments have now been confirmed by multiple news organizations. "the washington post" reports that donald trump calls american soldiers who served in the war of his era, the vietnam war, losers. >>> who don't remember secretary of state john kerry and decorated combat veteran who served in vietnam will join us next. 2 diabetes? you're on it. staying fit and snacking light? yup, on it there too. you may think you're doing all you can to manage type 2 diabetes and heart disease... ...but could your medication do more to lower your heart risk? jardiance can reduce the risk of cardiovascular death for adults who also have known heart disease. so, it could help save your life from a heart attack or stroke. and it lowers a1c. jardiance can cause serious side effects including dehydration, ...genital yeast or urinary tract infections, and sudden kidney problems. ketoacidosis is a

here's donald trump yesterday responding to reports, first by jeffrey goldberg in "the atlantic" andhington post" that donald trump calls american soldiers killed in action losers. >> it's a disgrace. who would say a thing like that? only an animal would say a thing like that. there's nobody that has more respect for not only our military, but for people that gave their lives in the military. there's nobody. >> so there's donald trump trying to get people to believe that no one respects our military and war dead more than donald trump, including everyone who has served in our military, including every american family who has lost a loved one in combat and including our next guest. john kerry, secretary of state in the obama administration, a former senator from massachusetts. secretary kerry served two tours in vietnam. he was awarded the silver star, bronze star with valor, and three purple hearts for his heroic service in combat. secretary kerry, thank you very much for joining us tonight. i want to give an open microphone to react to what we've learned about what donald trump has

is i think is a hugely important story, even three, four days in here, the atlantic story by jeffrey goldbergyork times." others have, some of them have been said, i get the sense that as much as anything that has rattled the trump campaign or the white house, this article does. you can tell it by ft.the president's immediate reaction to it and how he's put other people forward. what's the lasting impact here? is it that they're concerned about the possibility that there might be more to come with bob woodwa woodward's book or john mattis, people coming forward? >> number one, they are concerned that this is the beginning of, i don't know even if it's a drip, drip, but large pots of water coming out each day of people speaking against him. and the o'hare they're concerned about is the specific nature of this one, the military. families of whom members of the military who support the president needs and have been important for him in his administration, if he is to win again. and there is a concern that the general public understands this story. so much of what as been said about the president

the atlantic's editor jeffrey goldberg reported late thursday that president trump once called u.s. soldiers injured or killed in war, quote, losers and suckers and made other offensive comments abou those who sve. now, a note on sourcing, gold berk cited four unnamed people with first-hand knowledge of the president's comments. the white house has called the report patentlye. fals "the washington post" and other outlets have confirmed the story since it was published. the president who received a medical deferment from vietnam has at times been sharply criticalf p.w.'s including of the late senator john mccain icd once publ said i like people who weren't cap durd. here is what the president said thursday night. president trump: it's a disgrace that a magazine is able to write it and people really exist that uld have said that, they're low lifes and they're liars. and i would be willing to swear on anything that i nevesaid that about our fallen heroes. there is nobody that reec them more. robert: meanwhile, democratic nominee joe bidenesponded on friday. >> and always caution not to