we will play with you joe tacopina now, arguing against joe tacopina and then. and here's a question for you. did a.i. create this photo of? we have a quiz to test my panelists and your a.i. knowledge. and we'll tell you the secret to how you can spot what is a.i. and what is not. so, let's get to all the. news my panel is here. i have the roots jessica washington here. also, political commentator scott jennings. former massachusetts governor devolve patrick is with us, and former pro tennis player patrick mcenroe. but, first let's get to our breaking news, a federal judge believes that former president trump may have used one of his own attorneys to commit a crime regarding those classified documents at mar-a-lago. cnn senior justice correspondent evan perez is here with more. evan, explain all this to us. >> well, alisyn, this is a big deal because this is the first time we are seeing from a judge or at least hearing about a judge determining that donald trump himself may have committed a crime. and what she is ruled, this is in a sealed proceeding, so we don'

contradicting joe tacopina today on that point is joe tacopina in 2018. >> before being represented by- stormy approached you about representation. did you get the impression she might have found you under the da in which she afraid of are physical safety? >> of course. i can't really talk about my impressions because there is a client attorney privilege detached evil consultation. >> done in 2018 the criminal defense lawyer seem to defend the theory of the case that trump's payoffs to stormy daniels could be criminal. >> where the money come from? if it leads back to the trump campaign funding, that's a big problem. this is a pandora's box that's going to be opened, and unfortunately it is not going to have any good results for the presidents. >> andrew weissmann is back with us and joining our discussion is charles coleman, former senior assistant district attorney for brooklyn, new york, he is now a civil rights attorney and an msnbc legal analyst. and charles, we are leaning heavily this week on your experience as the senior assistant district attorney in brooklyn. we need that loc

joe tacopina refused the request. but in a 2018 appearance on cnn, joe tacopina himself seem to suggest his legal connection with stormy daniels were stron enough to give her attorne client privilege >> joe, i understand that yo had some communication wit stormy daniels at some point >> you know, obviously there i attorney-client issues let's put it this way. >> oh! >> go ahead. oh, wow, what? -- >> jack, let him finish. >> the question is whether i was contacted or asked t represent -- the answers, yes i was, but can't go into anything further >> that potential conflict between trump lawyer and storm daniels could explain why th prosecutors in the manhattan da's office spoke with ms. daniels earlier this week. and this is an understatement. now is not the best time for trump to be having lawye problems, especially in that case nbc news is now reporting that law enforcement in new yor city is preparing a security plan for the manhattan crimina court with the expectation tha donald trump could be indicted as soon as ne

there is no world -- >> joe tacopina, why would anyone trust cohen? the man is convicted of perjury and lying to congress. now, all of a sudden there is as problem with donald trump. joe tacopina, i must tell you, this is making america a banana republican of the term of our system and inequity that's going on. stay in touch with us and let us know what you hear in this and whether or not this will go forward. yyou yy yyou senses that it will? >> i still hope. i hope that some sort of sanity is going to -- i am holding out hope that justice will prevail. if it happens, there is no charge. it is a case that'll die. this will be a lasting stay on the legacy. they won't play this case, i promise you that. they'll not win this case. we'll win it on the law and the facts and wherever we go, we'll win this case. >> joe tacopina, thank you so much for joining us tonight. >>> the past several years, new york county have been busy investigating every aspect of donald trump's life. the old soviet phrase, show me the man, i will find the crime is alive and well

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i do know him certainly a whole lot better than joe tacopina what i will tell you emphatically is what is doing right now is he's playing to a party of one. and that's donald trump. he will say the most ludicrous nonsense that you can say because that's what donald wants to hear. and obviously he's gotten the message requirement from donald or his people. and so that's what joe is doing. he's merely just, again, playing to an audience of one. and as i had said also on nicole's show before, that when you're sitting across the desk from ari melber, sitting across the desk from joy reid or nicole wallace, one thing you want to do it on one of these news max oans or any of the shows that actually prefer you to say these things, it's another when you're going to have somebody now hitting back at your statements. but hitting back at your statements with facts. and that does not benefit donald it doesn't benefit tacopina. if he doesn't watch himself, he may find himself like the rest of us, myself, eastman, bob, and rudy giuliani and a whole slew of other attorneys that have found themselves

now, alvin bragg has the communications between stormy daniels, and joe tacopina, which

let me start with asking you to give me your reaction to what you just heard from joe tacopina. let me start with you, susan. >> i think what joe tacopina that was exactly what donald trump wanted him to do, which was to muddy the waters a bit on this case. i will say, and after hearing danny, i think this case is going to be difficult for alvin bragg. mostly because i don't think it's hard to convince one person that donald trump, whether it is because he was reported to embarrass his wife, or because he had a -- with his wife, wanted this money to go as hush payment. that being said, i'm not an attorney. but what donald trump has done now has been so dangerous to our democracy and our judicial system. and that's because he's trying to weaponize our court. when he said i'm going to be arrested tuesday, i want people to be up and on. you want to see protesters. he wanted to raise money and talk about it, one point $5 million, maybe not as much as he's used to, but he's still raised over 1 million dollars. at the end of the day, donald trump has to be treated like anybody else, a

we just heard joe tacopina saying, yes. you don't have to have a formal contract. i hereby represent you in order to form that relationship. so the second question is, is it a conflict that we can deal with and what the court will probably do. i would say to donald trump. mr trump if he's the defendant, let's assume your lawyer joe tacopina used to represent somebody who can now be a witness against you. are you okay with that? usually the defendant will say yes, he's my lawyer. i want him as my lawyer. i wave it. it's fine. and then what the judge will often do is say okay, but tacopina, you are sealed off. you cannot cross examine stormy daniels, who you had an attorney client relationship with and you cannot use or disclose any information that she gave you. and then the courts really trust attorneys as officers of the court to make good on that. thank you very much client. privileged explaining that ellie honing. thank you so much for explaining this also well, and i do apologize that you didn't get to talk to erica was supposed to be all jp that you were stuck

>> no, no. >> so i guess what joe tacopina is trying to sort of allege is that that whole scheme was own, and that donald trump had nothing to do with it. >> absolutely. what else is he supposed to say? one of the biggest problems with somebody like joe tacopina, when you get around donald trump is donald will let you run with the ball because he knows you're going to -- he knows you're going to fumble it, and he's not going to be there to help you try to pick it up. he's just going to get rid of you. how many times have we seen that happen in trump world before tacopina's biggest problem is he has no knowledge of any of the facts. he's basically come out on television and he's getting quite a lot of air time. and he is spewing nonsense, but the nonsense that he's spewing is nonsense that donald trump is telling him, this is what i want you to say so he doesn't really care if you, joy, believe what he's saying or any of your viewers believe, as long as he's appealing to a party of one. and that party of one happens to be individual number one, who we all know is donald j. trump. >> y

has -- joe tacopina -- which could literally take joe tacopina off of this case. -- trump's defense. >> and alex, during your hour, there's been a huge development in washington and jack smith's investigation and the grand jury -- ultra fast-tracked appeal process going on. luckily, we've got andrew weissmann here and others to discuss this. and later in the hour, because i am wondering how donald trump was feeling tonight, and because everyone who works for donald trump is a liar for donald trump, i don't rely on what the trump staff says, like the new york times does, about how donald trump is -- i'm going to ask them mary trump tonight. >> oh! >> -- how her uncle is feeling as they close in on him and prosecutors, officers, all across the country. >> that, lawrence, is called a deep cut and a must watch segment. i will be tuning in for than. >> thanks, alex. >> see you! >> -- for donald trump, which involve court procedural deadlines. unlike any we have ever seen, we have an ultra high speed appeal of a ruling ordering one of donald trump's lawyers to testify to special prosecutor

but first, joining us now with more on what we can expect this week, trump attorney joe tacopina. all right. good evening, joe . there's so much to talk to you about. i find i find that statement that bob costello gave to tucker within the last few minutes to be stunning , but not so surprising, i guess, in terms of his saying. it's clear to me the manhattan d.a. did not want to get to the truth. what can you tell us about the charges if they're coming? and if so, when? >> you know, jeanine, i mean, they're not obviously keep us in the loop. and i've really wrecked my brains trying to figure out how they could fit that round hole into a square peg or square peg into the round hole. >> it's it's mind boggling that we're at this point. this is a case that has, i heard say novel legal theories. some said there is absolutely no legal theory that matches the facts here. there's two very important things that happened this was a settlement like any other settlement in a nuisance settlement in claim of this matter where someone's claiming they had a relationship but they were going to go

trump's lawyer, joe tacopina, he confirms that the manhattan d.a.'s office wanted mr.rrender today. tacopina along with other aides rebuffed that request saying the secret service needed more time to prepare the secret service is denying that to nbc. two secret service officials telling nbc news that mr. trump's detail could be ready to transport him to new york at a moment's notice, that they are simply taking orders based on the date the manhattan d.a. and mr. trump's defense team agreed to, that agreed to date we are told is now tuesday. >> peter alexander, dermot shay, thanks, guys. >>> in other news, extreme storms are expected to slam over a dozen states today, severe thunderstorms, strong winds, and tornados that could put more than 50 million people at risk in the midwest and mid south heavy rain and flash flooding expected to hit the mississippi valley, then quickly move through the midwest and tennessee valley through the night. the risk area also includes parts of mississippi that were already so badly devastated by tornados last week that killed 26 people.

joe tacopina made many points that were fair we talked about the possible d.a.ce probe were important. what you showed was telling. he said it's not a lie then he said, quote, of course it's not the truth that could be difficult for them at trial, not because that proves the case, katy, but if you're dealing with a case that involves misleading the government and your client or potential defendant has been publicly caught misleading people or the government, that adds to the jury's view that maybe they're guilty. >> that's what i wanted to ask him lying to the press is not illegal. him lying on his financial statements is illegal. >> correct. >> him lying in a courtroom is illegal. you're saying that lying in public adds to this evidence that lying was part of a pattern of behavior? >> not just a pattern, but specifically to this incident. this is an incident many people have known about and covered for years. if you say to the jury, yeah, they are saying i lied about x, but everything else was about y, juries can buy that. you can say someone says i didn't want

your lawyer, joe tacopina. has this conflict used to represent a witness. are you okay with that ? and if trump says i get it, i'm okay with it. then they can proceed. but tacopina will not be allowed to cross examine stormy daniels will have to wall himself off from that. i mean, i'm sure you've been asked this a million times. what do you think this means for the former president in terms of i mean, this case being brought forward, does it hurt him does is it something he should embrace and lean into? well he's very good at embracing and leaning into to victimization. and look, i'm just gonna level with you guys. most republicans, even the people that don't want to vote for him again. think that in the history of sex no one's ever had to do as much paperwork about it is donald trump and the idea that you'd be charged with a crime for it. seven years later, i mean it just by a d. a by the way, who is downgraded a bunch of violent, violent people while they're upgrading some seven year old sex paperwork case, so yeah, he's going to lean into it. republicans are obviously responding

that joe tacopina, who is now representing donald trump. there was communication between tacopina and stormy daniels years ago. what's what's the measure there? if it's too much for him to be involved in this case? well, here's why it's important. you've got attorney client privilege. and anytime somebody is communicating with their attorney, then you're supposed to hold sacrosanct that particular information for confidentiality reasons. you want people to be forthcoming. but perspective clients may also be able to have that privilege because we want people to have the ability to be forthcoming with the potential lawyer. and so if i handle over information to somebody in the hopes will become my attorney. i expect them not to be able to then use it against me down the line or not to have to play the role of a witness in a case and advocate for the person that i may have been going against. it really does serve to protect also, donald trump. you don't want to have your attorney having to hold back or pull punches because there might be a perc

of his defense journeys joey tacopina period on my colleague our emails show the beat wherein joe tacopinacase that there was a confidentia set up between donald trump an stormy daniels and that that is the reason wh donald trump lied or didn' indicate that he was aware o the 130,000 dollar payment tha was made by his former fixer and personal counsel, michae cohen that was according to jo tacopina, his defense attorney indicating that that money was and condition of a confidentia sentiment and that is th reason why donald trump, whe asked impressed by the press o air force one indicated that h had no idea what anybody was talking about concerning the 130,000 dollar payment but we now know that donal trump is taking the position that because of a confidential settlement, that he could no actually acknowledge that that payment was made so, again, if you are just joining us now there i breaking news. donald trump has indicated o truth social that he will be arrested on tuesday of nex week by the manhattan district attorney's office. he is indicating that this information is coming from quote

. >> welcome to president trump's attorney , joe tacopina. all right. >> let's first of all, have you spoken the . yes. reaction? he's ready to fight.ctio you know, he's the toughest guya i know. >> and he wa wass shocked, you know, because we really were. i was shocked. sh i mean, i've never been angry my 33 years in this business, both as a prosecutor and defense attorney . i've never been more angry a about the charge because today the rule of law in the united states of america died. >> it's dead. it's dead. man agand it's something that i nev thought i'd see. i have goosebumps even saying ge it because i don't feel good about saying it. someou know, when you stretch the law to get someone, you don't like or as a i political opponent in this case, it's very hard to ever she get that law to come you s back to its original shape. >> you saw the ad valorem bragg when he was running. what what does tha t tell you about equal justicer and application of our laws inle ? >> that was hi is first prioritn i mean, he didn't havece any. information,

what's your takeaway from joe tacopina?as most curious or what he didn't talk about. he's talking about things that are not crimes or not the central crime. nobody would be charged for hush money. that's true, because paying hush money is not a crime. >> right. >> he wants to talk about the campaign finance charges and that is shakier, but the central charge that he will bring is falsifying business records that when they paid michael cohen they did not say that the payment was for its true purpose and it was legal services and that he was on retainer and that is what the central charge was a misdemeanor and everything builds off of that. >> just a misdemeanor on that and just to be clear. charges are charges and there are a lot of other cases out there, but a misdemeanor you're talking about a fine if convicted. >> if it all boils down to just that charge of a misdemeanor then this is not about donald trump facing jail time and that's a good chance that happens with this case. unclear, right? whether more information came

did trump lawyer joe tacopina convince you connect with me at arimelber.com. i'm looking forward to hearing your responses again, thanks to everyone involved tonight "the reidout" is up next >>> tonight on "the reidout" -- >> i think if we had a policy which was firm, which armed ukraine with defensive and offensive weapons so they could defend themselves i think putin would make different calculations so i think oballa's policy of weakness is actually making a larger conflict more likely >> that was less than eight years ago, but now, desantis wants to appease putin, calling the brutal invasion of ukraine nothing more than a territorial dispute. the latest sign the party of desantis, trump, and tucker is seriously out of touch with the views of most americans. >>> also tonight, how the failure of silicon valley bank is exposing the myths of regulation and the hypocrisy of libertarians who seem real pro government when it comes to federal assistance for them. >>> and donald trump rolls out the melania defense with his lawyer claiming the payment made to the po

the ex presidents lawyer joe tacopina says trump will not refused to surrender if he i in fact indicted here in new york, telling him pc news that the ex president will follow normal procedures if it gets t that point now, if the manhattan da doe charge donald trump in connection with the 2020 payments to stormy daniels, th key witness in that case wil of course be the guy who transferred the payments, right? his former lawyer and fixer, michael cohen. cohen himself will be joinin me in just a moment. remember, he has already don time for that very crime in october of 2016, just day before the presidentia election, cohen made the 130,000 dollar payment t stormy daniels to prevent he from going public with the story of her affair with trump a decade earlier she alleges that she met trump at a golf tournament in 2006 four months after melania trum gave birth to their son baron. later michael cohen pleade guilty to eight criminal charges including campaign finance violations and bag fraud. he told the court, as he tol congress later, who was really behind it all. >> i pled guilty in federa

so look, i want to get to this, um trump's defense attorney joe tacopina, who has been on this network lot and he was on my old show at night a lot. he's defending this contradiction now over now representing trump in this case, and there was some, you know, issue about possibly him representing stormy daniels. we dug up this clip. it's from him claiming attorney client privilege with stormy daniels back in 2018. i want to get your thoughts here it is so i understand that you had some communication with stormy daniels at some point. you know , obviously there's attorney client issues. let's put it this way. oh. contacted, um go ahead. well what i mean there was there was a problem was asked jack. let him finish the question. i was asked whether i was contacted or are asked to represent her. the answer is yes , i was, but i can't go into anything further. i'm not representing her. um i don't represent her. i've never represented her. he is defending it saying that i never represented ever spoke with her, but trump's attorneys always somehow seemed to become part of the story that maybe

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by joe tacopina. you can't play with it. pay pay a client summit with your own money. you can't make a someone the bounty bonder client without him knowing about it, so how could he say that now, if that's true, he's got some problems and the agreements of fraud and null and void. if it's not true, then where did the money come from? that mr cohen was not being honest. where did the money come from? if it leads back to the trump campaign funding, that's a big problem. this is a pandora's box that's going to be opened and, unfortunately, is not going to have any good results for the president. he's now, of course, the one defending the president caress canal is outfront live outside the courthouse in new york and carol, what more are you learning here on the eve of another day, possibly for the grand jury to be impaneled. so our latest reporting is from my colleague john miller, who says that the da's office is considering whether to bring michael cohen back. and as you explain bob costello is former attorney was in meeting before the grand jury at the request of the tr

w are let's give a warm welcome to donald trump's attorney , joe tacopina.who's with us tonight.th >> u joe , second day in a row,l grand jury getl s canceled and all the reports are saying the same thing. all is broken. i loose in the manhattan d.a.'s office. what are you hearing? have you heard frohem them aari. all? >> we haven't heard from them directly. >> there's the lines of communication have brokeao,n ouo a few weeks ago.r obviously, every time i appear on this show or or a radio truth show, they seem to gethe more angry. but, you know,re i'm jus, tow i'm calling the truth here, sean. you know, thise l is unbelievaa lking , the fact that we're stil talking about this case, a case that no matter what side, the fence you sit politically,l the right, the left, the middle, whether you're woke or asleep, whatever it is , you should notsh want the weaponization of our justice system, which occurrin here. crimi yonau know, instead of focusing on prosecuting actual criminals ,new york city, a city that's under siege with violent crime ,they're using that of

daniel's lawyer says his client divulged confidential information to joe tacopina before he joined trump's legal team and the special counsel's probe of classified documents at mara lago is also intensifying. we are now learning that federal judge is convinced trump may have used his own defense attorney pictures. here, evan corcoran to break the law. allegedly when federal agents were trying to retrieve top secret files that restored and his private mara lago club in florida. sarah more sara murray joins us now live, sarah. obviously while we were sleeping. there were a lot of deadlines that came out overnight. can you get us up to speed on the latest? what these deadlines look like and what we are now waiting for their was a lot. i mean, as you pointed out, a judge has ruled that essentially, the prosecutors provided enough evidence to say trump may have committed a crime to pierce the attorney client shield and forced evan corcoran, one of trump attorneys was very involved in the search for classified documents and telling the government you know, we've turned everything over to testify

laughter ] but trump apparently has a new lawyer to handle this case a guy whose real name is joe tacopinamake that up. i certainly would never use it as a joke. like if someone asked me what stormy daniels said about trump, i would never say, "he's got a little tacopina. i wouldn't do that [ laughter ] but tacopina went on msnbc this week to defend trump's lie that he didn't know about the hush payment with stormy daniels and the interview got contentious. >> one of the top trial attorneys out of new york, joe tacopina is defending donald trump, and our guess right now, live on "the beat" is trump defense lawyer, joe tacopina if all of what you say is true - >> it is >> then why was trump hiding it and lying about it at the time and i'll play that for your response - >> mm-hmm. >> he lied about it. we all know that >> when you say lied about it -- >> take a look take a look. >> let's see >> mr. president did you know about the $130,000 payment to stormy daniels >> no. >> then why -- why did michael cohen make this if it was going to a - >> -- and you'll have to ask michael. >> ari, that i

joining me now is joe tacopina who represents him in the new york press. welcome to "meet the press." >> thanks, chuck, good morning. >> let me start with a simple question. why did your client, mr. trump make the claim that turned out not to be true? did he make it up? >> no, he didn't make it up. he was reacting to a lot of leaks coming out of the district attorney's office. there had been a leak, chuck, that monday the day before that, tuesday, was there a law enforcement meeting including secret service and nypd that was going to go through the logistics of the arraignment, and then there was, of course, a lot of rumors regarding arraignment being the next day and he assumed based on those leaks that that was going to happen. it wasn't about making it up and he doesn't want to be arrested. >> has been in the d.a.'s office contacted you or told you about special arrangements. did he have any of this knowledge through you? >> no, not through us. we've been in touch with the district attorney's office regarding potential logistics, an arraignment if it ge

joining me now is joe tacopina mr. tacopina, welcome to "meet the press."> why can your client, mr. trump, make that claim that turned out not to be true?xd did he make it up?p,■ t up.e make it up?p,■ he was reacting to a lot of leaks coming out of the district attorney's office. that monday the day before thatá thursday, was there a law enforcement meeting including secret service and nypd that was going to go through the logistics of the arraignment, and then there was, of course, ■ lot of rumors regarding the arraignment being the next day, and he assumed based on those happen. he wasn't making it up and he doesn't want to be arrested. ymd >> hasçó anybody in the da's office contacted you or told you about any special arrangements?i did he have any of this knowledge through you? we've been in touch with the district attorney's office Ñixd regarding potential logistics, 1 of an arraignment, if it gets to that point, but it ce didn't come from us.r it came frm■@1 m read in the newspaper that y monday or the friday preceding. >> mr. trump has described alvi

here's reverend al sharpton interviewing his lawyer joe tacopina about that. >> this man could be under someone sent to alvin bragg has nothing to do with donald trump. >> how do you know that? >> because he has nothing to do with that. >> he wrote death and destruction if i'm indicted. he announced he was going to be indicted tuesday. >> that came from leaks. >> he has a bat. >> let me explain. >> wait just a minute. there was a picture with a bat that someone had put together that he reposted. did he not? >> apparently he reposted. he also took it down when he realized what was in the photo. he did take it down. >> i stabbed you in the back but i took the knife out. >> this is a man who used to luxoriate in the idea of brutalizing people who protested at his rallies. joe tacopina would be clowning himself a bit, i have to say, with the good reverend sharpton pretending he didn't understand what he was doing when he posted that, no? >> yeah. yes. i mean, and the rev's statement is oh, yeah, i stabbed you in the back with the knife but then i pulled it out is exactly the right metaphor

charles, i want to start with you, and it was something that joe tacopina, -- as he was with reverend al earlier today -- some of their exchange. take a listen. >> -- >> before the election you have his lawyer that made the payments. it was because of the election. and it's because of personal embarrassment to himself and his -- >> it doesn't matter -- >> cause of the election -- i'm not a lawyer. >> the -- chairman said it does matter -- something -- exclusively the campaign. then it's out of the campaign. -- funds -- campaign funds. >> -- my question watching that is -- is that a preview of a legal argument that they're going to try to make? yes and no. i think that joe tacopina oh switch gears on the number of occasions as to the -- da brag -- pursues this -- in terms of -- indictment. i think that that is one of the most straightforward routes that they will respond with, primarily because at this point we don't necessarily know the clear legal case that bragg will use. and so if he does -- campaign finance violations -- that is probably one of the ways that he will fight it. the

he got sidelined that i'm sure joe tacopina is going to b sidelined as well because he went out there and he made a fool of himself. worse than that, he actually implicated his own client. so yes, it's okay. he lied, it doesn't make a difference no, it actually does make difference he doesn't know the facts an the fact that he continues t promote the donald trump line, which is that donald trump moniker that he gave to me convict a liar, he still doe not even know. tacopina is just dumb. he doesn't know what the lie was. you and i have talked about it over breakfast when i asked yo to pray for me the number of times that i spoke to donald about th filled real estate project i moscow, the trump moscow project. as donald star trek, shun in connection with him, ivanka, jared, abby lowe, ty cobb and whole slew of other people, was told to say three. the real truth is that the answer was ten i spoke to donald about it ten times. that is the big lie. and if joe tacopina, tha unions that he is things tha that is going to keep me fro being the witness that alvin bragg believes me to be, wit a

. >> reporter: trump attorney joe tacopina maintained his client's innocence in the probe related tolleged hush money payments to adult film star stormy daniels. and he said trump's inaccurate prediction that he would be arrested last tuesday was not made up. >> we've been in touch with the district attorney's office regarding potential logistics of an arraignment if it gets to that point. >> reporter: former new york police commissioner bill bratton on "face the nation." >> if there's an indictment, the president will be required to surrender someplace in manhattan, where he would be basically fingerprinted electronically, photographed and basically given a booking nmber. >> reporter: house republicans who have written to bragg demanding his testimony say the case should be handled by the department of justice. >> he's investigating a presidential candidate not to mention former president of the united states. that has no business being litigated in a local district attorney's office. >> reporter: bragg says it's not appropriate for congress to interfere and will follow the facts. t

. >> reporter: his attorney, joe tacopina, maintained his client's issue in relation to hush-money payments to stormy daniels and said trump's inaccurate prediction that he would be arrested last tuesday was t >> we've been in touch with the district attorney's office regarding potential logistics of an arraignment if it gets to that point. >> reporter: former new york police commissioner bill bratton on "face the nation." >> if there's an indictment the president will be required to surrender in manhattan where he would be basically fingerprinted electronically, photographed, and basically given a booking number. >> reporter: house republicans who have written to bragg demanding his testimony say the case should be handled by the department of justice. >> he's investigating a presidential candidate, not to mention former president of the united states. that has no business being litigated in a local district attorney's office. >> reporter: bragg says it's not appropriate for congress to interfere and will follow the facts. in a new letter obtained by cbs news, more than 170 former federal

daniel says, the exchanges between daniels and current trump roller, joe tacopina dates back to 2018 when daniel approached tacopina about representing her. these communications raise the possibility the tacopina could be sidelined, for now, in turn from defending trump. he denies that there is a conflict of interest and says he neither met with, north spoke, with daniels. stay tuned that's it for us tonight now it's time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. good evening lawrence. >> good evening >> of course there's video of him all over the world why drive saying hey it sounds like what michael cohen did was a serious crime with donald trump. i guess that is video that donald trump didn't see before hiring him >> yes exactly. now, alvin bragg has the communications between stormy daniels, and joe tacopina, which could take joe check a peÑa off this case in terms of trump's defense. >> alex during your hour, there is a huge development in washington in jackson's investigation into the grand jury. this ultra fast-tracked appeal process going on. you have andrew weissmann here,

were just internal documents and it's a note-taking error that shouldn't be a crime here's how joe tacopina made the legal argument for the former president on "the today show" this morning >> they were not filed look there was no tax deduction taken here which initially was the theory of this case when they put it in the grand jury two years ago. no tax deduction taken, and there was no obligation to file this with the sec. if there were, could you imagine if donald trump paid for this settlement agreement with campaign funds alleging it was something to do to enhance or help the campaign? >> that's the legal argument being made in the court of opinion. the political argument is quite different. we've seen the former president on social media today and really over the past several weeks attacking the prosecutor in this case, arguing that the case is political persecution. today he took aim at the judge who will be presiding over this case suggesting he has political motivations as well, and the former president has cloaked himself in the institutional republican party he has essentially ev

know, he's a problematic witness, but his story is the most plausible story the other oneser that joe tacopinaelling you the other day are hard to believe. >> the tacopina story, which we reported and heard, is this rogue lawyer thing michael cohen cooked up all of these seems and did them solo, right? >> yeah, and that -- >> lots of lawyers in the charging -- this is the feds -- cohen indicated the purpose of the wire was retainer that's false later, same thing, in truth and in fact, lawyer speak, there was no such retainer agreement that's kind of there a-ha. tacopina says, yeah, cohen was convicted and he's out and over there. have you ever worked a case where they're trying to -- someone, a low level employee, and you have to prove it up? >> yeah, it's not a particularly credible defense when the person who was claiming they're the lawyer for the person who's claiming this is a rogue player is somebody who's sophisticated, understands these things, and is h hands-on kind of actor so i don't think that's a particularly credible defense, nor is the one that all of this was not for my campaig

i'm assuming they'll get worse donald trump called him a rat multiple times his lawyer, joe tacopina, attacked him and said he's a fraud, he's a liar, he's a convicted perjurer in trump world and outside of trump world. that's the preview of what we're going to see, but when people say he would have a credibility problem in front of a jury, he would be a liability to the prosecution, they're talking about him pleading guilty to crimes i want to go through what the crimes are it begs the question, what did he plead guilty to he pleaded guilty to tax evasion, making false statements to a federally insured bank causing an unlawful corporate contribution, making an excessive campaign contribution and making false statements to congress let's talk about the tax evasion case he pleaded guilty to it so he did it >> he pled guilty when he was coerced on a friday afternoon. his lawyer told him that on monday he would be indicted with his wife on this completely concocted and baseless tax claim. as well as all the other counts. and he wouldn't have an opportunity to meet with the prosecutor so

cohen, made two appearances in front of the grand jury this week, and current trump attorney, joe tacopina, says his client did nothing wrong. >> legal scholars, former members of the federal election committee have publicly stated there was no crime here. >> reporter: the crux of the grand jury investigation, a $130,000 payment that cohen made to stormy daniels before the 2016 campaign. he says was done at trump's direction to keep her quiet about an alleged affair and trump later reimbursed him for it trump has denied the affair and says he relied on his lawyer's advice >> payments were made. >> reporter: the legal question is whether the documentation of that payment on the books of the trump organization violated the law. the former president today pushing back ahead of any possible indictment >> we have to get our country back the doj, the fbi, the local prosecutors should all stop. >> and, laura, if the grand jury returns an indictment, tell us what would happen next. >> so, lester, in the typical case, an indictment would be filed under seal with the court. the defense team would be

. >> i did see ari melber's handling of joe tacopina and to be honest i was embarrassed for him.pletely unhinged. it's one thing when you are talking to some of these other stations where facts don't matter it's merely playing to a party of one you are not playing to a party of one when you are sitting across the desk from ari melber. and he wasn't going to just accept whatever answer that joe tacopina decided to put out there. >> that's his view of what happened if there is a trial, how would, in your experience, prosecutors use mr. cohen and deal with what they would certainly have, which is a jury wondering whether the defense had a point. is mr. cohen legally not clearing the hurdle of beyond a reasonable doubt if he is key to this >> this happens all the time mr. cohen is basically what's known as an accomplice witness, which means he was an accomplice to the defendant who committed the crime. i have used accomplice witnesses as a prosecutor numerous times i have one guy who within five minutes of his direct testimony i had him admit to 12 murders that he personally committe

trump's attorney in the hush money case, joe tacopina, for instance, now, loudly defending the former president a few years ago was just as publicly hearing trump's defense down in the matter of those classified documents recovered from mar a lago trump attorney, evan corcoran has been ordered to turn over his notes and appear before a federal grand jury for questioning. unusual considering how attorney client communications are usually protected. the response from team trump to all this there is no factual or legal basis or substance to any case against the former president. prosecutors only attack lawyers when they have no case whatsoever, but a former white house lawyer under trump gave aaron a different take turns, lawyers and the witnesses, you know, faster than any any potential defendant in the history of the criminal justice system. and don't forget the cadre of trump lawyers who insisted job. biden did not win the white house that the election was rigged. sidney powell, it is one huge, huge criminal conspiracy rudy giuliani, really enough is enough to overturn any election an

trump's lawyer joe tacopina with news nations, dan abrams this week discussing a possible indictment in new york. expected indictment. you know, it's becoming more probable. i think but the one thing i still hold on to its hope that justice will prevail. >> that was brooke shafer reporting for us tonight. former house speaker nancy pelosi taking to twitter about trump's announcement saying in part, quote, the former president's announcement this morning is reckless, doing so to keep himself in the news and to foment unrest among his supporters. she goes on to say he cannot hide from his violations of the law. disrespect for our elections and incitements to violence. >> coming up here on kron, 4 news at 6, 100's of educators from across the state rally in san francisco today. what they're demanding from city officials and caught on camera. several objects flying over bay area skies. we'll take a closer look after the break. (swords clashing) -had enough? -no... arthritis. here. aspercreme arthritis. full prescription-strength? reduces inflammation? thank the gods. don't thank them too

one of trump's lawyers spoke earlier today, joe tacopina, let's hear how he describes how he is going to approach this case. you know, president trump will not take a plea deal. in this case. it's not gonna happen. there's no crime. i don't know if it's going to make the trial because we have substantial legal challenges that we have to front before we get to that point road ahead, joe tacopina. thank you for your time this morning. good to see you. i was speaking with joe throughout the day, and their goal is to kill this case before it ever gets to trial. paul i want you to stay with us . i'll sort of bring in our legal and law enforcement analyst to continue this discussion. and elie honig, i'll start with you. can you walk us through how this will play out when donald trump is arraigned on tuesday, even though the scene that we'll see next week will be unprecedented. in some ways, what will actually happen in the courtroom is quite routine. it's the same kind of proceeding that happens hundreds of times a day in that courthouse, so after donald trump is fingerprinted and after his

what does this mean for the case and now for joe tacopina? good morning, dad. well, the big question here is what a judge will decide to do, because that's who it's ultimately up to. whether or not this rises to a conflict of interest that would require some sort of limitation on to campinas role or even disqualification from representing trump. and the big question, as you said, was whether or not daniel shared confidential information that could be used in this case and used against her if this were to go to trial could any information that was given to tacopina to his law firm used against her in a cross examination, for example, or would it give tacopina and trump a leg up now talking to stormy daniels, current attorney clark brewster believes that there is confidential information that was shared between daniel's tacopina and his firm at least believes that it rises to the level of meeting to be reviewed . and as you said, tacopina says that there was no wrongdoing. there's no conflict of interest. but again, pointing to your own interview with him in 2018

that refusal to accept a plea deal, according to his lawyer, joe tacopina.mp is the first former u. s president to face a criminal indictment. it's never happened before. all this connected was connected to his alleged role in a hush money payments scheme and cover up involving the adult film star stormy daniels. cnn has learned . trump is expected to appear in a manhattan court tuesday sources saying that's when he set to be arraigned. the former president and current candidate for president in 2024 is now facing more than 30 counts related to business fraud, and if convicted, trump could be sentenced to a maximum of four years in prison are reporters, correspondents and guests are all standing by

words for indictment >> you mentioned client, and i comes to mind, wasn't there ar reports that joe tacopina wa going to be representing storm daniels in some shape or form? do you recall that ever? is that true, in the past? >> mr. second pena but the said that he discussed representing her so he would be the source on that, and that is on the recor confirmation from several year ago. but there is no indication tha he went ahead and did represen or so if you want to get into the weeds on the ethical rules, if you even engage potentiall representing someone sometimes then you're not supposed to be on the other side of that case but i have not seen a public confirmation that he actuall went forward and did represent or i definitely had one more wild piece to this. and let's remember, if the payments to miss daniel's part of the case against trump in new york, we are talking about a case where the lawyer from miss daniels went to jail, the lawyer for mr. trump at th time mr. cohen went to jail. his replacement, mr. saka peÑa trying to blame the thrust o any crime that did occur on th former la