and former republican representative, joe walsh of illinois.ve, we were supposed to have both former president trump and florida governor desantis, ron desantis in iowa this weekend. the trump rally got canceled due to bad weather, but governor desantis did make it to the hawkeye state. here is the message he had for voters. >> as bad as things are going right now, if things do not go well for us republicans in 2024, it's going to get a whole lot worse. >> we must reject the culture of losing that has infected our party in recent years. the time for excuses is over. we've got to demonstrate the courage to lead and the strength to win. if we do that, if we make 2024 election a referend on joe biden and his failures, and if we provide a positive alternative for the future of this country, republicans will win across the board. >> desantis has consistently been the most popular potential opponents to trump. though his polling has dipped a bit recently, with a possible announcement looming, is he ready for primetime? let me put it straight at you.

joining us to talk about that and more, former republican congressman joe walsh and form democratic congressmany deer jones. joe, what do you make of that move from desantis? >> nothing. jim, good to be with you. nothing. ron desantis spent yesterday in iowa, jim, and right now donald trump is the clear front-runner. he's the overwhelming favorite to get the nomination, and there's desantis in iowa yesterday, and he never mentions the name trump. he never attacks donald trump. jim, desantis has the same problem all of these republican challengers do. they're afraid to go after the front-runner because they want the front-runner's voters. you can't win the nomination doing that. >> mondier, what do you think? >> i would go further and just say that with the possible exception of ron desantis, they don't want to criticize donald trump because they're all looking to be his vice presidential nominee. i think with very few exceptions, these people know they cannot defeat him in the republican primary, and for all of the controversy surrounding cnn's town hall last week with donald trump, one of the

host of the show white flag with joe walsh. and author of the book of silence.lie. how the republican party became donald trump. gentlemen, welcome to you both. i want to know the 12 punch this morning, i think we've got it. let start with you, my friend. youtubed out yesterday a tweet that very few will like. possum prayers are not going to fix this but banning this or that kind of gun is not going to fix this either. the problem is way more important than most people are willing to admit. you are absolutely right, my friend, it is a very complicated problem. but i'll be honest that to me has almost become an excuse for what we have. that is complicated. really? president bush had a plan and we tore it up. what do you say? >> michael it is good to be with you in is good to be with -- it is more complicated than people want. one person screams gun gets guns guns every time and the other one denies that guns are a big problem here. i think you nailed it at the beginning. we do in part by language, i say this is a proud gun owner and second advocates, we do an abs

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president trump several challengers, joe walsh, mark sanford. three people who had more political credential than those running against joe biden and he did not debate them. barack obama did not do primary debates, george w. bush did not do primary debates. this is not something that normally happen so it is not unexpected for biden to say i am not going to debate marianne williamson or robert f. kennedy, jr.. candidates who don't have a shot of winning the nomination. i don't think we will see primary debates on the democrat side. it's interesting to see what will happen on the republican side because trump has said he will skip the first or second debate there. it is reasonable to expect that he might skip all primary debates and if he is the nominee there is an open question as to if he does the general election debates. debates are a topic of conversation and they are up in the air. host: we have 19 minutes before donald trump came up for the first time. on that topic, what is you are read of ron desantis and its ability to be donald trump or

back with me, the former republican congressman joe walsh, democratic congressman max rosa, and joiningd ron brownstein. thanks everybody for being here. let's just listen to him because up until his official announcement, desantis sometimes implied criticism of trump but it was very gentle and nuanced. in just the past 48 hours, listen here. wow. >> i think he did great for three years, but when he turned the country over to fauci in march of 2020, that destroyed millions of peoples lives. when people look back, you know, that 2020 year was not a good year for the country as a whole. >> he said he was going to eliminate the national debt in 2016. he ended up adding almost $8 trillion to the debt in four years, and he is going left on a lot of the fiscal. he's going left on culture. he's even sided with disney against me. >> this is a different guy than 2015/2016. he attacked me for opposing an amnesty bill in the congress. he did support this amnesty, 2 million illegal aliens he wanted to amnesty. i opposed it because that's what america first principles dictate, that you're opposed to

point because i think what people fail to understand is individuals like yourself and even my friend joe walsh with us in the last section who's very strong advocate of the second amendment and supports responsible gun laws. they're not -- they're not against owning firearms. you just want to comment since control. regulations put in place. why is the industry so much against that kind of effort. we saw what happened in 2006 with the bush effort to bring some sanity to our gun laws. they were able -- they were torn up. >> let me be very clear. i still own lots of guns. i want to hunt and shoot. my boy shoot in competitions. i'm a very proud gun owner. responsible gun owners understand that that kind of a men's powerful freedom must come with an immense and powerful responsibility. ? and we must balance the scales. in the country right now, our scales are way out of whack. again, the governing style of the gop is to dispense the sort of responsibility that is often codified in laws that are beat out in the hard work of governance. it's much easier to govern easing the culture war and to pat law

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president trump several challengers, joe walsh, mark sanford. ople who had more political credential than those running against joe biden and he did not debate them. barack obama did not do primary debates, george w. bush did not do primary debates. this is not something that normally happen so it is not unexpected for biden to say i am not going to debate marianne williamson or robert f. kennedy, jr.. candidates who don't have a shot of winning the nomination. i don't think we will see primary debates on the democrat side. it's interesting to see what will happen on the republican side because trump has said he will skip the first or second debate there. it is reasonable to expect that he might skip all primary debates and if he is the nominee there is an open question as to if he does the general election debates. debates are a topic of conversation and they are up in the air. host: we have 19 minutes before donald trump came up for the first time. on that topic, what is you are read of ron desantis and its ability to be donald trump or get int