>> we made a decision a long time ago in this case and i have represented john eastman for a long timeere not going to sort of run the typical defense playbook of hunkering down and refusing to talk. our view is that dr. eastman is innocent. he has nothing to hide. he's clearly -- acting in his capacity as a lawyer and a professor. his views were well supported, that they may have been controversial. all the facts are more or less known, there's not a lot of mystery here and we've made the decision, that risky though it may be, to be as open as we can with journalists such as yourself, and with anyone who wants to talk to us, for the most part, we are happy to talk to them. >> so, it is potentially risky for him to be speaking publicly? >> oh, sure. but hopefully that shows to everyone, how confident we are in our clients case, and how important we think it is, how important john eastman thinks it is, that these facts be presented to the public for their analysis. and we hope that, if the facts are viewed fairly, openly, and with an open mind, that a lot of folks, even folks that might

i've been representing john eastman a long time ago. sion we made was that we will not run the typical defense play book of hunkering down and refusing to talk. our view is dr. eastman is innocent. he has nothing to hide. he was acting in his capacity as a lawyer and a law professor. his views were well supported, though they may have been controversial. all the facts are more or less known. there is not a lot of history here. we've made a decision that risky though it may be, to be as open as we can with journalists such as yourself and anyone who wants to talk to us for the most part, we're happy to talk to him. >> so it is potentially risky for him to speak in public. >> oh, sure. hopefully that shows how confident we are in our client's case and how important we think john east mman thinks it is for these facts to be presented. and we hope if the facts are viewed fairly and with an open mind, a lot of folks, even folks who might start out against us will come to view the case as we do. >> thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you

warrant before you take my property -- >> both jeffrey clark and john eastman have had their phones oj's search warrant in court. but there are state-level investigations as well. rudy giuliani has been informed he's a target in a georgia investigation -- >> we will not talk about this till it's over. >> -- and appeared before a grand jury in august. at the moment, perhaps the most perilous investigation for donald trump has nothing to do with the attack on the capitol. >> former president donald trump's mar-a-lago home in florida has been searched by the fbi. >> the investigation that at the moment seems most directly threatening to donald trump is the one into his handling of classified documents and taking documents to mar-a-lago with him when he left office. >> the government has recovered more than 320 classified documents from trump's home in florida. the redacted search warrant identified three federal crimes that the department of justice lists as the foundation of its investigation. obstruction of justice, criminal handling of government records, and violations of the espion

my eyes dart to john eastman who flashes a hering grin. i fight against the tension in my muscles and recoil from rudy's grip. i storm to the tent on yet another quest for mark. mark, of course, being trump's chief of staff, mark meadows, for whom cassidy hutchinson worked. a political adviser telling cnn in response to this quote, it's fair to ask cassidy hutchinson why she is just now coming out with these allegations. this is a disgusting lie against mayor rudy giuliani. an attorney for eastman calls the allegations libelous and does not ever recall having mit ms. hutchinson. everyone knows who she is. certainly all these individuals know who she is. she was a key witness to the january 6th committee. >> i remember pat saying to him, something to the effect of, the writers have gotten to the capitol, mark, we need to go down and see the president now. and mark looked up and said, he doesn't want to do anything. >> and what's also important to remember is that the context of this right now is as both giuliani and eastman are codefendants

my eyes dart to john eastman, who flashes a leering grin. i fight against the tension in my muscles and recoil from rudy 's grip with rage. i storm through the tent on yet another request for mark meadows. a spokesperson for the pathological liar rudolph giuliani said this is a disgusting lie against mayor giuliani. giuliani has been lying to and about women his entire adult life, beginning with his first wife, who he got an annulment from after starting an affair with his second wife. rudy giuliani got an annulment from the catholic church, instead of a divorce, from his first wife because he told the lie that he did not know that his first wife was actually his cousin when he married her, even though he grew up playing with his cousin who he later married. rudolph giuliani very famously lied about, and to, his second wife, who shunned him when he was mayor of new york for publicly carrying on an affair with his press secretary. rudolph giuliani is now on the brink of bankruptcy from the divorce of his third wife and mounting legal bills th

i will say that what john eastman did was not rewriting. it was not restructuring. it was not even the holding, to change the composition -- constitution. using the super majority he has accumulated through attacking the independent breaks on autocracy, what john eastman did was throw out the constitution order. there is no constitutional warrant, that is what was so shocking to me about the trump assault of 2020. which is now going to be on trial, because one of the principal architects, chest bro -- chesebro is going to be on trial, on october 23 on this precise question. it is nowhere in the u.s. constitutional order to say that the vice president's ministerial role can suspend congress or substitute the loser for the winter or send it back to the state to turn over, their elections, the choice of their people. ms. steizenmuller: it is an important point. it's one that was spared in a really important book by our other colleague, the constitutional knowledge. which is, one of the most startling, and frankly terrifying aspects of this new period of outright fronta

cleta mitchell has a number of communications with john eastman and his role here.t could have been particularly important to fani willis and her team. cleta mitchell is the reason, for example, john eastman even got involved in investigating whether or not mike pence would have the power to say no to the legitimately chosen electors. she asked him to opine on that very early on in the process. curt hillletter and alex coffman, they were two members of the team and said, hey, i have concerns about the president signing this complaint because it contends that things we now know not to be true were in fact true. so their relation to john eastman, their intersection with him and others may have made them particularly attractive targets were cooperation agreements. it's very plausible to me that they could have been approached given what else they knew beyond the subject matter that this special grand jury reports says they could very charged. >> katie? >> i want to quickly mention a couple of things. one, the special grand jurors said in this report, we're not lawyers.

you are leading constitutional scholars in united states, john eastman, say to president trump that this is a protocol that you can follow. president trump was following the advice of his lawyer. what he is being indicted for, ultimately, is following legal advice from an esteemed excuse color, john eastman. he had an advice of counsel, a very detailed memorandum from a constitutional expert. >> well, if you are relying on your attorneys for advice and didn't respect them, then who really did call the shots there? whose advice for you actually following? does that mean that your communication should actually still be privilege then, because you didn't actually follow it? are they now free to testify about the advice you didn't take or even listen to? if you don't respect them, should they still now feel loyal to you? let's talk about all of that with litigation attorney ace got bolden, and -- jennifer, of council to george w. bush. gentlemen, think about this. we know, we never want our clients to be talking in front of the camera without a side by side, or if ever. he essentially maybe

former white house chief of staff mark meadows, trump attorneys rudy giuliani, sidney powell, john eastman, and others. trump is accused of being the head of a criminal enterprise and racketeering is one of the 13 charges against him. tonight, we take a close look at exactly what mr. trump and his allies did in georgia in the weeks after the election. cnn's sara murray lays out details about the investigation into the former president and the most serious charges he's now facing. >> breaking news in to cnn this hour. prosecutors in georgia have opened a criminal investigation -- >> -- criminal investigation into former president trump. why? because of his january phone call to the georgia secretary of state. >> -- the former president's attempts to influence the administration of the 2020 georgia general election. >> donald trump got beat by joe biden. handily. >> there's no way we lost georgia. that was a rigged election. >> he went on a warpath like a scolded child to do anything he possibly could to overturn that election. >> they defrauded us out of a win in georgia. and we're not goin

my eyes dart to john eastman flashes leering grin.night giuliani's political advisor ted goodman calls the allegation quote, a disgusting lie and says quote, it's fair to ask cassidy hutchinson why she's just now coming up with these allegations from two and a half years ago as part of the marketing campaign for her upcoming book release. as for john eastman, his lawyer categorically denied cassidy hutchinson's account and called the allegations libelous. joining us now, former trump deputy press secretary sarah matthews who like cassidy hutchinson testified to the january six select committee. what's your reaction to this allegation from cassidy hutchinson? >> cassidy hutchins is somebody that i worked with closely at my time with the white house, when i was working with the press team, she was basicall y the right-hand of mark meadows. so anytime we needed anything from the chief, she was our go-to person. so getting to know her really well in that role in spending time outside of the white house with her, she was someone i knew to

john eastman doesn't know that yet. it has been -- i mean, i've been seeing fox the last couple weeks just be very, you know -- it's a little schizophrenic, as to whether or not it can really be propping up trump without undermining its own, you know -- it's whether or not it can survive yet another court challenge. >>> meanwhile, bill barr, the former attorney general under donald trump, again pouring cold water on all the arguments you're hearing, especially the one from trump himself. trump repeatedly said his upcoming criminal trials amount to, vote, election interference. yesterday, also on fox news, barr called those claims silly. >> all right. i mean, the basic principle in the criminal justice system is if a prominent person commits a crime and is seeking office, that doesn't give him immunity. if there is enough time to have it resolved before the election, it should be resolved. the idea that, oh, okay, well, i'm sorry, we'll let you get running the election, then, after, we'll address it, that's not a princip

my eyes dart to john eastman, who flashes a leering grin.iuliani's political adviser calls the allegation, quote, a disgusting lie and says, quote, it's fair to ask cassidy hutchinson why she is just now coming out with these allegations as part of the marketing campaign for her upcoming book release. as for john eastman his lawyer denied the account and called the accusations liablist. joining us now, sarah matthews, who like cassidy hutchinson, testified before the house january 6th committee. sarah, what's your reaction to this allegation from cassidy hutchinson? >> cassidy hutchinson is someone that i worked with closely during my time at the white house. when i was working on the press team, she was basically the right hand of mark meadows. so, any time we needed anything from the chief, she was our go-to person. so, getting to know her really well in that role and spending time outside of the white house with her, she was someone that i knew to be someone of good character, someone of integrity. and i have no reason to doubt her accoun

i find rudy in the back of the tenth with, among others, john eastman. the corners of his mouth split into a cheshire cat smile. waving a stack of documents, he moves towards me, like a wolf closing in on its prey. we have the evidence. it's all here. we are going to pull this off. rudy wraps one arm around my body, closing the space that was separating us. i feel his stack of documents press into the small of my back. i lower my eyes and watch his free hand reach for the hem of my blazer. by the way, he says, fingering in the fabric, i am loving this leather jacket on you. his hand slips under my blazer, than my skirt. i feel his frozen fingers trail up my thigh. he tilts his chin up, the whites of his eyes look jaundiced. my eyes dark to don eastman who flashes a leering grin. i fight against the tension in my muscles and recoil from rudy's grip with rage. i storm through the tent on yet another request for mark meadows. a spokesperson for the pathological liar rudolph giuliani said, this is a disgusting lie against mayor giuliani. word of giuliani has

rudy giuliani, john eastman, kenneth chesebro, and cleta mitchell, and jena ellis, and mark meadows who has also been charged and david schaffer, and ray smith, lynn wood, and someone who was not charged in the end, and lindsey graham, and sidney powell, and they list a total of 30 people who they believe should have been charged. this is the special purpose grand jury that they believe should have been charged of the national scheme by the former president and some of his allies to overturn the election results. so, again, the grand jury was saying that it was beyond just the state of georgia, but it is an effort that went to all of the other states, including wisconsin, arizona, michigan and the s the s the state of pennsylvania. so we know of 19 of course and they have listed 30. so we have to read through it why they made that decision, and what is the purpose of what they believe were the findings. kate? >> absolutely. i will give you time to continue reading through it, and i am looking through it as well. importantly, one of the big questions has been is the number in the full re

i'm really a victim of john eastman's crimes and bad conduct. i have seen that empty chair defense work where if not all co-defendants are at counsel table together, the ones who are there will point the fingers at the empty chairs and say, they are the bad actors, don't hold me accountable. >> how likely is it if we look at some of the attorneys here -- chesebro, for example -- john eastman said he will not take a plea deal. how likely is it folks would take a plea deal considering it means they would have to plead guilty and they would subsequently be disbarred? >> it's likely. here is why say that. i handled lots of conspiracy cases and rico cases. before the indictments start dropping, being issued by the grand jury, it is theoretical to these potential defendants. once they see their name in black and white on the wrong side of the versus it gets very real. that's when often the flipping begins, the cooperation begins, the guilty pleas begin. i think particularly the fake electors are ripe for the picking. they may be some of the people fir

john eastman's attorney said that last night, that's also what they are doing, they're waiting to see what happens with meadows, before they all make a decision. even people like john eastman, who, they were not employed by the federal government, weren't getting a taxpayer funded paycheck like mark meadows was. they still will also likely try to make that argument they say. >> kaitlan collins, thank you, we will see you at 9:00 on the source. elie honig, thanks so much. for more on rudy giuliani's fund raising -- we also have breaking news in his considerable financial troubles. our randi kaye is joining us. what are you learning, randi? >> well anderson, our colleagues on cnn have learned some new reporting, a source familiar with giuliani's finances telling cnn that he owes millions of dollars in legal fees, certainly his fund-raiser in bedminster tonight, that trump is putting on for him is certainly going to cut into that. it is $100,000 at play, he is expected to raise more than 1 million dollars, as one of two fund-raisers, anderson, that trump is expected to sponsor for giulia

lawyers for former trump attorney john eastman also responded. they said, quote, dr. at he flashed a leering smile at ms. hutchinson at that time or at any time. eastman does not ever recall having meant met mrs. hutchinson and did not know she was before the select committee in the house of representatives in june 2022. the lawyers also said eastman is considering suing, those responsible for making and publishing these libelous allegations unquote, though he has not made any filings at this time and it's not really clear what exactly would be libelous. next week in her first cnn interview, hutchinson will share her story with me and you can see that interview next tuesday, right here on the lead beginning at 4:00 eastern. we will be right back. titide fre safer choice certified. a it's got to be tide. diabetes can serve up a lot of questions, like, "what is your glucose?" and "can you have more carbs?" before you dece... withhe freestyle libre 2 system know your glucose level and where it's headed. no fingersticks needed. manage your diabetes with more confidence. an

>> and so john eastman for his part, his team is also denying any of this, and calling description libeloushose are disturbing allegations and how it could come into play against rudy giuliani. and we bring in the leader of the january 6th investigation committee tim heaphy. so when you are starting here, and you see the allegations coming out here in a book and they have not been made since, and what is your initial thought, and obviously, giuliani denying these, but you hear her in person testifying. >> yeah. new information. i don't believe she provided this to the select committee and i am not sure that it is relevant or coming into a criminal trial for rudy giuliani that is going to be coming in for a conduct that is going to challenge an election and bad act that is a personal assault that she describes. i am not clear that it is deemed relevant, but certainly prejudicial, and clearly prosecutors can not introduce general bad act evidence against a defendant absence the specific reason of the relevance, and not sure here what it might be. >> remind us of the role that cassidy hutchins

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not only did meadows enter a not guilty plea and there was jeffrey clark and john eastman, the pro trumpkathy latham, and david schaefer among the many that entered these pleas and there were several of these co-defendants that tried to sever their cases and some wanting speedy cases and others like the former president wanting to delay their case until after this proposed trial date. >> they're even traying to sever the cases to one another, we're, they are charging these 19 co-defendants. >> former trump lawyer, john eastman someone of those who filed to separate his case from others for a speedy trial. when the folks are making the case not for a speedy trial, what is the argument they're making? >> well, you know, it's probably a scheduling conflict when it comes down to the former president. four indictments in the past five months and all of that takes time to try to figure out and coordinate among his many legal teams that are represent iing him in the trials. for those that want a speedy trial it was announceded by a legal analyst that fani willis was calling the bluff of ken che

all that being said, just hearing now, john eastman filing a motion to sever his case in georgia.gh november. there will come a point in which president biden needs to talk about, on the campaign trail, who he is facing, a man who has been indicted four times with 90 plus criminal charges under his belt. >> i think he will. we are four, five months away from the first republican caucus or primary vote. i think biden has been stuck between a rock and a hard place on the matter of how to deal with trump's indictments. he has done everything by the book. he's gone above and beyond to not put his thumb on the scale, to not engage. he gave everything to garland who gave everything to a special counsel. we thought biden could have dealt with this more quickly in the aftermath of january 6. he has de-politicized everything. still, he has republicans who know better and then republicans who don't know better, maga republicans, accusing him of being the man behind the curtain orchestrating these indictments, which is preposterous. biden is struggling to deal with how much to be up front ab

still could see her plea come through in the court system today. >> and notably you mentioned john eastman. he's actually filed, as others, to sever his case from the rest of the co-defendants. >> that's right. he has basically said through his attorney that obviously we're not going to be prepared to go to trial in six weeks, that's the sort of speedy trial timeline. that's when ken cheseboro is going to be going to trial, october of 2023. and he's making it clear he doesn't want any part of these speedy trial guidelines. they don't want to go to trial in october 2023. and now it's going to be up to this state court judge once we get all these pleas in for these 19 co-defendants to stied how he wants to organize all of these folks. >> a lot to organize. so many moving parts there, sara murray. we appreciate you walking us through it. jim? or rather brianna. >>> now to a cnn exclusive. the special counsel probe into 2020 election interference has expanded in scope, even though former president trump has already been charged and his trial date is set. cnn has learned investigators are now l

she said she felt his fingers trail up her thighs, trails his chin up, my eyes go to john eastman whorea. in response to this, giuliani's team said these allegations are, as they put it, a disgusting lie, questioning the timing of these allegations and claiming it's marketing for her book. an attorney for eastman called the claims libelous. for giuliani this adds to the mounting troubles he's in, including the charges in the georgia case, a lawsuit over unpaid legal bills and a sexual harassment lawsuit from a personal assistant of giuliani's rudy giuliani has denied all of the allegations. >> indeed he has. he even did it on tv last night. listen. >> absolutely false. totally absurd. she claims i groped her in a tent on january 6th where all the people went in that were very, very cold as a result of the president's speech, et cetera. i'm going to grope somebody with 100 people -- first of all, i'm not going to grope somebody at all. and number two, in front of like 100 people? >> joined now by former federal prosecutor for the southern district of new york jessica roth. thank you fo

john eastman's attorneys argue they won't have enough time to prepare for an october trial date. david shafer's team is also looking to break off from the speedy trial group. meanwhile, chesebro's lawyers are looking to dismiss his rico charges all together citing the supremacy clause of the constitution. they argue that most of the charges against him apply to federal law and not georgia state law. this case of course being tried in state court. joining us now former assistant u.s. attorney for the district of columbia, glenn kirschner. he's also an nbc news and msnbc legal analyst. we're so grateful he's with us this morning to help us get through these headlines. glenn, good to see you. so let's start with enrique tarrio, the former proud boys leader who was given the longest january 6th sentence yet but still well below what prosecutors asked for. what's your analysis of this? why do you think the judge lowered the amount of time that tarrio will spend in prison? >> you know, jonathan, i will say i'm not only a former federal prosecutor, i'm an old army guy. and the way i rea

you have one of the leading constitutional scholars in the united states, john eastman, say to president trump, this is a protocol that you can follow. it's legal. that eliminates criminal intent. >> trump's attorney just last month saying that trump cannot be held responsible for his alleged crimes because he was only listening to the advice of lawyers and learned constitutional scholars. this weekend, trump himself blew that argument out of the water, saying it was all his idea. also tonight, new reporting on the alleged nexus of justice brett kavanaugh and dark money millionaires, and alabama's open defiance of court rulings on unfairly drawn legislative maps. >>> plus, have republicans no shame? lauren boebert's public groping is just the latest in a string of bad behavior by the party that pretends to care about family values. but we begin tonight with what appears to be one of the hardest jobs in america. being one of donald trump's lawyers. first, you have to worry about whether you will ever be paid by the man notoriously known to skip out on paying his bills, including to his ve

even people like john eastman, who they were not employed by the federal government, weren't getting a taxpayer-funded paycheck like mark meadows was. they still will also likely try to make that argument, they say. >> kaitlan collins, thanks. we'll see you at 9:00 on "the source." elie honig, thank you so much. more on rudolph giuliani's fundraising tonight. his considerable financial troubles randi kaye joins us now. what have you learned, randi? >> anderson, our colleagues and cnn have learned some new reporting. a source familiar with giuliani's finances tell cnn he owes millions of dollars in legal fees. certainly his fundraiser at bedminster tonight is certainly going to cut into that. it is $100,000 a plate. he is expected to raise more than a million dollars. it's one of two fundraisers, anderson, that trump is expected to sponsor for giuliani. but as you know, there are a lot of other co-defendants, and trump does not seem to be holding out a helping hand to all of them. >> i don't know a lot of those people. >> reporter: former president donald trump distancing himself from

mark meadows and john eastman are among the seven who have yet to make their movements known ahead of that approaching deadline. as for the former president, you won't see him at the fulton county courthouse wednesday. his legal team waived his arraignment, and he pleaded not guilty to all charges last week. i want to bring in nbc's justice and intelligence correspondent, ken dilanian, former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst, glenn kirschner, and former republican congressman from florida and an msnbc political analyst, david jolly. ken, is there any insight into the movement of the other seven codefendants? >> good afternoon, lindsay. we have no reason to believe that these remaining seven codefendants will do anything other than waive arraignment and enter the plea or show up for some reason if they want to show up in person and do it in person. an arraignment is a formality. these folks are out on bond and a condition of their bond is to show up in court. what's going to be interesting next week is to see how that federal judge decides whether mark meadows is successful i

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to the three factors that govern severance, it doesn't give powell or chesebro, and by the way, john eastman has said he's also going to move for a speedy trial, a, any kind of argument for separating themselves. this happens all the time, defendants are together and evidence as to one might hurt the other, but that's not a reason to sever. as to the 17, because there's some question under georgia law, does that mean if we have that one case, the 17 follow, and i think he telegraphed pretty strongly, he doesn't want to do that, and the three factors are not exclusive. he has the discretion. he has given the state one more chance to brief why they should all be together, but i think he was making clear that he is very strongly inclined to just have powell, chesebro, and i think, eastman, for now, cleve off in a single trial with the other 16 to go later. and that will depend, in part on the resolution of these removal motions now in federal court. a complicated day, but i think it's clear enough where he stands and where he's going. >> and now there are going to be weekly sessions. he clearly

as same as john eastman, the trump lawyer, 20 voted in favor of indictment, one against so very clear here in the special grad and jerry finding that it was an overwhelming opinion of to bring an indictment against these individuals. also an important note as well. it reiterated the special wrench, here is believe that there was no form of election in the 2020 election whatsoever . and where we asked mike, in the case against from the 18 of the code defendants who were in dice as well. it's very about your work in progress at this stage. we know for certain, well, it would appear to be for the for that and that 2 of the indicted trial will begin on the 23rd of october. and now the judges rules that those 2 have got to be tried together, but the prosecution has insisted that it wants to try all 19. at the same time, the judge is likely to hear more argument on that next week and decide whether or not the trial will be against old 19 together or against it, split up groups starting off with these 2 who have code for an immediate trial. now once you call for an immediate trial in georgia

even when they attempt to overturn the 2020 election trump enlisted john eastman maybe there is a loopholein the constitution that allows this boat. even their they saw themselves upholding this vision of what the constitution is and it seems many of the structural changes are coming from the american left whether it is abolishing the electoral college but an important distinction to keep in mind. what is the state of play? easy to understand that today national populist candidates for national populist really hold about 84% of the republican electorate. donald trump is up about 60% and number two is ron desantis and maloney like figure perhaps is the best we hope at 13% and vivek ramaswamy at 9%. this is the republican party is a fundamentally different creature than when i arrived in washington d.c. two decades ago, a generation ago and it's not unusual for parties in america to go through these changes and all republican party holes all through a sequence of developments beginning in the 1920s and robert taft was different, coldwater's was different than ronald reagan and certainly no d

mark meadows has entered a plea of not guilty and waived the arraignment and pro trump attorney john eastman and jeffrey clark and everyone is getting the filings in ahead of this wednesday deadline for arraignment, and again, the way it works in fulton county superior court, you don't have to be there in person, and you can put in the paperwork and waive arraignment, and so it is an open question of when we could see these folks in court. mark meadows is in the process of trying to move all of the proceedings against him from state court to federal court. a judge has heard hours of arguments on, that and he got additional briefings on that, and we are waiting essentially at any moment for him to make the decision of whether meadows met the threshold that everything that he did related to the 2020 election or his activities were all stemmed from his role as white house chief of staff. if the judge decides that he has met that bar, he can move his case to federal court, and a number of the other defendants are going to be watching to see if meadows is successful, including former president do

it is striking that even when they attempted to overturn to 2020 election trump enlisted john eastmanto figure out, maybe there's legal loophole in the constitution that allows the vice president to throw out the electoral vote. even there they saw themselves as kind of upholding a certain vision of what the constitution is. and it seems to me in the american context, in anyway, the structural changes, the rewriting of the rules that are being propose right side actually coming from the american left and the progressive sideef of things whether that's court enlargement, whether that's the addition of new states, whether that's abolishing the electoral college. so that's an important distinction to keep in mind. also finally to address your question, what is the state of play. nationalal populist, light candidate currently hold. donald trump 60% of the electorate and number two is ron desantis and maloney like figure, he is about 13% and then ramasymy at 9%. that to me says that the republican party is fundamentally different creature than it was when i arrived in washington, d.c. two

the bombshell is part of the ongoing investigation into disgraced lawyer, john eastman, seen here atl. eastman was the law professor who believed that former vice president mike pence could just reject individual states' electoral college votes. first of all, no. second of all, you want to give somebody unlimited power, and you pick mike pence? he doesn't even have the power to be in a room with a woman who's not his wife. the committee has been trying to get eastman's records and emails for months. he's been claiming attorney-client privilege, but that doesn't apply to lawyers who help their clients commit a crime, and in this case, the judge found that "the illegality of the plan was obvious." yes! hell yes. say it. yeah, eastman probably shouldn't have labeled the folder "crime ideas! keep out!" the judge added that "every american and certainly the president of the united states -- knows that in a democracy, leaders are elected, not installed." normally this would be a great point, but the former president doesn't know too much about the american government. he thinks the supreme

giuliani's fingers trailing up her thigh all allegedly right in front of trump's other lawyer, john eastman i am sure the validity of this allegation will be fought over aggressively in the coming days and weeks. but even just the allegation itself is a good reminder that this chapter, this ugly chapter of american history is still being written. today in the georgia case against trump and the other 18 defendants that were allegedly involved in the attempt to overturn the 2020 election today in georgia fulton county district attorney fani willis' office filed a notice with the court claiming that six of the defense attorneys in the case may have conflicts of interest now, that may be legally interesting later down the road, but what jumped out at everyone who read that filing was this. as part of the d.a.'s office and the explanation of these potential conflicts, the office included a potential list of witnesses they might call in the case and on that list was this guy, pro-trump attorney lin wood ultimately for whatever reason she did not and now mr. wood is claiming to the press today he

there's the severance requests from defendants like trump himself and his former lawyer john eastman. they both are arguing specifically that they want their case split-off from any of the defendants who are said to go to trial on october 23rd. they both claim that that date is way too soon, and there is no way their defense could be ready that quickly, which is of course amazing considering that two of trump's codefendants, kenneth chesebro and sydney powell are asking for that date and demanding a speedy trial. then there's sydney powell's case to sever her case from everyone else's because she believes her case is involved in no one else's. i digress. her codefendant kenneth chesebro also filed a motion to sever his case from everyone else's, and then he filed again specifically asking to have his case severed from sydney powell's case because apparently kenneth chesebro does not want to have his legal fate tied to sydney powell's, which, i got to hand it to him, is understandable. the hearing for sydney powell and kenneth chesebro's severance motions is set tomorrow at 1:00 p.m. e

as for the other 17 john eastman, jeffrey clark and voter fraud conspiritist robert chile, they want their cases split-off. rudy giuliani, meanwhile, doesn't want to be tried alongside chesebro and powell andon looks like he's going to t his wish. fommer chief of staff mark meadows want to be tried by himself in federal court. mr. scott hall wants to be tried separately from all the defendants who were notly accus of crimes related to the alleged voting machine breach in coffey county. harrison floyd wants to be tried only with the other people accused of harassing elections worker ruby freeman. two of the remaining three codefendants have not yet filed any motions to sever their cases, but ray smith, a former lawyer for the trump campaign, has told the court he thinks the codefendants should all be tried in, quote, manageable groups, whatever that means. it is like the seating arrangement from hell only the stakes are of course astronomically higher. for now what we can say for sure is that kenneth chesebro and sidney powell look like they'll be the first cocop spirators in this cas

she says john eastman witnessed it and he flashed a leering grin. she then broke away from giuliani and stormed out. giuliani's political adviser is vehemently denying this happened calling it a disgusting law and suspicious that she's making the accusation now when her book is coming out. giuliani faces legal issues including millions in mounting legal bills. >>> ukrainian president zelenskyy will be in washington today to meet with u.s. president biden and with members of congress. he just wrapped up his first in-person meeting at the united nations since the war began. he called out a council that has been deadlocked since the war began just because russia has veto power. but zelenskyy says there is a solution. >> translator: in cases of mass atrocities, veto power should be voluntarily suspended. but we can also observe that russia will not give up this stolen privilege voluntarily. therefore the u.n. general assembly should be given a real power to overcome the veto. this will be the first necessary step. it is impossible to stop the war becaus

former trump lawyer, john eastman, he of the infamous eastman memo, appeared to admit to attempting tofox host laura ingraham. >> on january 6th, what did you want to happen, and how was that historically grounded? in the history of our country, how would that have taken place? so viewers understand, how that would have unfolded and how it would have been ultimately constitutional? >> so, you know, several things. some people urged that vice president pence simply had power to reject electors whose certification was still pending in -- >> i don't believe that, but go ahead. >> i don't either. >> one thing i don't agree with. >> i told vice president pence in the oval office on january 4th, though it was an open issue, under the circumstances we had, i thought it was the weaker argument and it would be foolish to exercise such power, even if he had it. what i recommended, and i've said this repeatedly, is that he cede a request from more than 100 state legislators in the swing states, to give them a week to try to sort out the impact of what everybody acknowledged was illegality in the

one of trump's georgia co-defendants, lawyer john eastman, appeared on fox news this week where he admitted to pressuring then-vice president mike pence to delay certification of the election. >> i explicitly told vice president pence in the oval office on january 4 that even though it was an open issue under the circumstances we had, i thought it was the weaker argument and would be bullish to exercise such power even if he had it. what i recommended is that he exceed to request more than 100 state legislators in the swing states to give them a week to try to sort out the impact of what everybody acknowledged was illegality in the conduct of the election. amy: a federal judge sentenced two former leaders of the proud boys, joseph biggs and zachary rehl, to 17 years and 15 years in prison respectively for the seditious conspiracy to keep donald trump in power by attacking the u.s. capitol on january 6, 2021. the sentences are some of the stiffest yet over january 6, though prosecutors had sought 30-plus years for the two men. a lawyer for biggs spoke after his sentence. >> if your president

john eastman raising more than $500,000. and you know, john, upcoming we do know that even though the former president has distanced himself from many of these defendants, our team has learned that he's hosting a $100,000 per person fund-raiser at his bedminster club next week for rudy giuliani. so, he's still helping out at least one defendant in this case. >> all right. jessica schneider, thank you very much. have a wonderful weekend. perspective from cnn political analyst and "new york times" senior correspondent maggie haberman and cnn legal analyst jennifer rogers. maggie, what do you make of the former president's codefendants saying he is not funding their legal costs, he's not coughing up money to help them. he, in some cases, says he doesn't know a lot of these people. >> right. this has been an ongoing issue, john, about people's legal fees, various people we're talking about, witnesses, anybody with any connection to any of the investigations into him for quite some time going back to 2021. you know, he had started

attorney john eastman and former justice department official jeffrey clark also pleaded not guilty on tuesday. meanwhile, in washington, d.c., special counsel jack smith has warned that trump's daily statements may prejudice the jury pool in washington where trump is facing a separate criminal trial. trump has repeatedly attacked smith as well as u.s. district judge tanya chutkan. in other legal news, the trial of trump's former trade adviser peter navarro has begun. he was indicted for refusing to comply with a subpoena from the house committee investigating the january 6 insurrection. in atlanta, georgia activists , 61 have been indicted on rico charges for their involvement in the protests against the construction of a massive $90 million police training complex known as cop city. georgia's republican attorney general christopher carr accuses the activists of violating the state's racketeer influenced and corrupt organizations act, the indictment was handed out by the same fulton county grand jury panel that indicted president donald trump and 18 co-defendants on rico charges. many

at least four of them have started crowd funding incluesing john eastman, jeffrey chark as well as kathylector in georgia. i am told even though there have been grumblings by the codefendants that they've not been helped by donald trump, that none of them have officially asked for help. they were told if they want help, they need to apply for the legal tee fence fund. it was established back inall because of these mounting legal fees particularly for trump and his advisers. they had been paid out of the save america pac, a leadership pac. since 2021 that pac has spent more than 41 million dollars on legal fees. they've spent so much, they've asked for a refund for a donation they made for 60 million thrs for a super pac that is defending trump. that gives you an idea how much money they are spending and how quickly they're spending. it's unclear right now what if any funds exist in that fund. we're told that don jr. and eric trump have both been fund-raising and they have a lot of pledge, but not clear whether any of that is actually tangible money. if any of those georgians were request

you know the former president along with ray smith and john eastman, former trump attorneys, they'refor a delay in their trial. the judge also today will consider and will be expected to ask, i should say, fani willis how long it will take prosecutors to try all of these defendants together or if their cases are divided. so a big test today for fulton county's district attorney, fani willis. >> just to emphasize it for the first time, we will see it for ourselves and there will be cameras in the courtroom. nick valencia, thank you so much. sara? >> joining us now is clark cunningham, law professor and thank you both for joining us. clark, let me start with you. when you look at the fact that there will be cameras inside of the court, this will really be our first look at how this case is going to play out. we are just getting the normal scheduling times, but tell me how significant it is that cameras are in the courtroom for the public at large see all of this happen. >> well, it's great. georgia has a strong policy that the public have full information about what goes on in the cour

and we have now seen mark meadows, as well as several other defendants in the case, john eastman, jeffreys of not guilty and waive their arraignment. that means they won't have to show up in person. and essentially, it will be up to the state court judge to figure out how he wants to divvy up the defendants, what he wants to do about folks who don't want to be tried alongside their other co-defendants. and mark meadows is in an interesting position because he put in this not guilty plea while he's waiting to see if his case is going to play out in state court. a federal judge heard several hours of arguments from meadows' team insisting his activities were related to his role as white house chief of staff and because of that, his case should be moved to federal court. the judge asked for additional firings in that case, which came through last week. now we are waiting for this judge to rule on whether mark meadows is going to be successful in his attempt to move to federal court. something the trump legal team is going to be watching closely as they do the same thing for the former presid

that includes john eastman, an election attorney, and jeffrey clark, the doj attorney who is at the center and kathy latham who is a fake elector in georgia and another thing is that rudy giuliani and his son has helped to create a political pac, political action committee, to help pay, and donald trump is not helping to foot the bill, but he is helping with a fund-raiser which is $100,000/person and he is considered the headliner there, and that is big bills and one of the co-defendants spent a week in jail, because he couldn't afford an attorney. boris. >> kristen holmes, thank you so much. rahel. >> and boris, continuing the conversation and bringing in cnn legal analyst, and prosecutor jennifer rogers, and good to have you here. and starting with some of the motions here to sever the trials from one another, and if you were d.a. fani willis, what would you do? >> well, d.a. fani willis does not want the try this many, many times. she is going to have to take these two defendants who have asked for speedy trial in october because she has to do that, but she wants to minimize the number