but i knew him very well. >> reporter: i talked to john marvin in 2021.st as adamant of his brother's innocence as now. >> i can tell you, he was willing and still is willing to do anything that's asked of him. he wants this solved. >> reporter: the prosecutor call is on maggie's family to help make their case. maggie murdaugh's sister, marian proctor, describing the days after her sister's death. >> he said that his number one goal was clearing paul's name. and i thought that was so strange. because my number one goal was to find out who killed my sister and paul. >> reporter: prosecutors concluding their closing arguments. >> maggi for it with their lives. don't let him fool you too. i ask you to return a verdict of guilty against the defendant, richard alexander murdaugh. >> this is a case based on circumstantial evidence because there is no murder weapon, there's no blood on who they believe to be the murderer, there is no eyewitness. this is difficult. this is not a slam dunk in any way. >> reporter: those obsessed with the true crime saga ready for

when they did the search at alameda, john marvin was there and john marvin asked him, did you find anything? they said, well, we found a blue rain jacket back on the property, back on the property, back on the property, and he said, well, my dad drives a buggy around, maybe it fell off the back of his buggy. clearly john marvin was understanding that it was back on the property, and then they asked him to come look at the blue rain jacket, and he was told it was found in a closet. he was told it was found in a closet, and he said that didn't sound right, and they never clariied it. i'm not going to put it up but 411 is a picture of this closet, and you can see the blue rain jacket that's sort of folded up and stuffed down here at the bottom right. that's the blue rain jacket. and it's apparently right before this trial, they showed shelly smith this picture and said, does that look like the blue tarp you saw? well, yeah, sure, it looks like it. they never showed her this. they never showed her this. and she said this, exhibit 87 on the screen, she'd never seen this. never seen this. but the

he calls john marvin. and then we see at 10:20:08, paul's phone reflect that auto lock thing that could be as you heard from the testimony, it not recognizing a face. this is interesting. we'll see over the next few slides, he spends a lot of time trying to call rogan gibson. he told you, oh, well, he's a good boy that lives down the street. he's calling rogan before he calls many of his family. before he calls buster. calling rogan multiple times. and those texts would have come in on paul's phone. what is he so concerned about? he said he turned paul over. his cell phone popped out. this is a sealed exhibit. i'm not going to name it. popped out? manufacturing an alibi, concerned about the evidence. worried about what rogan may have known or may have heard. 10:24. messages, call me. 10:25. 10:29. 10:25 the first deputy on the scene. calling randy again. rogan again. 10:34 is when paul's phone powers off. opportunity. mo motive, means and opportunity. guilty conscious. i've talked about these. i'm not goin

he calls john marvin. and then we see at 10:20 and 8 seconds, paul's phone reflects that autolock thing, and could be as you heard from the testimony, not recognizing a face, and this is interesting. we'll see over the next few slides, he spends a whole lot of time trying to call rogan gibson. he told you, oh, well he's a good boy that lived down the street. he lived close by. he's calling rogan before he calls many of his family, before he calls buster. calling rogan multiple times, and those texts would have come in on paul's phone. what's he so concerned about? he said he turned paul over and his cell phone popped out. popped out? manufacturing an alibi, concerned about the evidence? worried about what rogan may have known or heard? i'll put it down. can i have the slide, please? 10:24. i messages, call me. 10:25. 10:29, 10:25, first deputies on the scene. 10:29 calling randy. 10:30, rogan again, and then finally at 10:34 is when paul's phone powers on. on. opportunity. motive. means. and opportunity. g

we've seen throughout the trial too, the support of buster murdaugh, of john marvin, of members of alex murdaugh's family. did it strike you that nobody spoke today for victim statements? >> yeah, a little bit. this is a chance for victims to finally speak up. you know, the victims are not here, and others who have been affected i think just knew he was going to get a life sentence and just decided they were done with him. but yeah, this is the chance for anyone who's involved in the case to finally have their say. it's the only time. i was a little surprised. i was more surprised, though, that alex said so little. i thought at least he would throw himself on the mercy of the court. he would apologize to the community for everything he put them through and be vague, not to cop to anything but just a general apology. he didn't do that. he doubled down on his lies and it was shameful, but that's who this guy is. >> let's hear a little bit about how the judge characterized alex's character. >> amazingly, to have you come and testify that it was just another ordinary day, that my wife and s

south carolina, and i know the entire state has been following this case, and you actually know john marvin. >> del mar is about or who took the stand he's on his city had to clean up all his nephew's brains at the seat and we went to college together, and i haven't really kept in touch with them but i did scan it one time that i knew him and he was nothing but nice to be in college and we had a lot of great friends and i'm still good friends with several of his best friends. so we've been you know talking back and forth during the whole trial, and he did say appreciate easily saying that on air because in south carolina they've been known as a great family. and it is in south carolina where people don't leave. people wonder why i stayed in new york and why he moved to new york but they couldn't understand that because it's such a great place to live and everyone knows everyone and if i didn't know her eye would have known her mother or my mom what about the college with her mom into such an insular state and i think they felt like enough was enough. you've gotten away with five measurement

>> yeah, someone saw a picture of me and john marvin in the casino. >> you're kidding me. >> unh-unh.torney has just been indicted for the murders of his wife and son. >> tonight the dramatic new turn in this case. >> alex murdaugh is now charged with two counts of murder and possession of a weapon during the commission of a violent crime. >> coming 402 days after maggie and paul murdaugh were found brutally murdered with multiple gunshot wounds, this was an almost unbelievable twist. alex murdaugh, the father, the husband, is indicted. >> when alex murdaugh comes for his arraignment, he looks like a different person. >> he looked very thin, very gaunt. >> he's shackled. he's kind of hunched a little bit. he has this appearance of being through an incredible amount of pain and suffering. >> are you guilty or not guilty of the felonies you stand indicted? >> not guilty. >> how shall you be judged? >> by god and my country. >> he didn't need to go to that >> shortly after alex was e did- indicted, his defense attorneys pushed for a speedy trial. they said it was a very narrow investigat

sandy smith, the mother of stephen the, who said that randolph murdaugh, who is the brother with john marvinposedly show up on the accident scene and according to sandy smith he -- she received a telephone call from him where he offered to represent her, and she was very confused as to why she would need representation. and that is really where we are with what the public knows about that supposed accident. s.l.e.d. has been investigating for a solid two years, and nothing has been released. but now you heard on friday the public is turning its attention back to that what we consider to be a murder. pete: well, as more details come out, keep us updated. it just seems to be one of those things where a lot of bad things happen around this family, -- >> it's peeling the onion, pete. you keep peeling it, you find more. pete: incredible. eric bland, thank you very much for your time. >> thank you for having me. pete: you got it. i'm going to toss it over to rachel for a few headlines. rachel: thank you, pete. turning now to this tragic story. the family of a baby who died from fentanyl poisoning

he calls chris wilson, normal conversation, his brother john marvin, talking about his dad and goes and sits down with shelly and sits with his mom and stays there 20 minutes, not 40 minutes, the record shows what time. the fact of the matter is he's got no blood on him, he's acting normal as everyday. he is the same old alex, yet their theory is he just blew the person, the people he loved the most in this world, blew them away. now talk a little bit about the angles that mr. sutton did his reverse trajectories on the shots. and i mean, they -- they're having a good time joking about the size of the figure and the pharaoh saying it must have been a 12-year-old kid, 5'2", let them have their fun. that is not what the testimony was, testimony was barrel of the gun has to be that level to make the shot into the quail pen. we didn't take the measurements, sled took the measurements. yeah, could a 6'4" person get down to that level? sure. mr. sutton says that is not a natural shooting level. could 6'4" person get on their knees? sure. shooters are in movement and 6'4" person going to be mov

but showing the jurors the scene here, it's been all cleaned up, obviously, john marvin murdaugh wasibing the arguous task he had trying to clean it up. what does the defense attorney hope the jurors take away from seeing this? >> i think that he's going to get up there in a few hours and make it very clear that the distance between where his client was and where this took place is significant. i don't know about the minutia of what we are seeing right now, whether that plays a role. i think it's more about the bigger picture and now that they are there, they see how vast this area is. >> gillian: when it comes to the bigger picture, mark, john and i were talking about this right after we spoke to you at the beginning of the hour. isn't it true that if a juror feels that a witness on the stand lied at any point during their testimony about anything, no matter how small, they can then discount that entire testimony. is that true? >> absolutely. 100%. they can do that. but it's a personal decision. they can also say well, i understand why the lie was told, i'll discount it or not hold

another key moment from the trial, his brother, john marvin murdaugh, testifying about cleaning up thecene. >> it had not been cleaned up. i saw blood, i saw brains, i saw pieces of skull. when i say brains, it could be just tissue, i don't know what it was, it was just terrible. and for some reason, i thought it was mine -- something that i needed to do for paul to clean it up. i felt like i owed him. and i started cleaning. and i -- promise you, no mother or father, aunt or uncle, should ever have to see and do what i did that day. >> and here with our legal team, jury consultant joe huntley taylor. let me ask you, that's obviously a very emotional moment, and clearly the defense wanted it to be an emotional moment on the jury. fascinating now to look at it, look at alex murdaugh crying there, or mimicking crying there. it clearly did not have that big an impact on the jury. i mean, a sad moment, but it didn't show or at least we haven't talked to the jury, but it didn't seem to show what the defense wanted it to, besides the emotion of it, which was that the investigators had had a

another key moment from the trial, his brother john marvin murdaugh testifying about cleaning up theaw pieces of skull, and when i say brings it could just be tissue. i don't know, it was just terrible. and for some reason, i thought it was something that i needed to do for paul to clean it up. i felt like i owed him, and i started cleaning. i promise you, no mother or father or aunt or on clothes should ever have to see and do what i did that day. >> and here with our legal team, let me ask you, that is obviously -- they wanted it to be an emotional moment, and yet, it is fascinating now to crying their, and mimicking -- we haven't talked to the jury, but it didn't seem to show what the defense wanted it to, besides the emotion of, it which was that the investigators had a sloppy crime scene. >> right, right, there was a lot of emotion in this trial, right, the family members we showed earlier, and alex cried a lot. you can cry for a lot of reasons, and i think the juries could see that as well. you can cry because you are guilty. even cry because this is awful what you are going th

. >> interesting, also, the camera panned away showing john marvin murdaugh, a brother there in the courtroom seated next to buster murdaugh his remaining son. they were largely devoid of emotion. at that point. interesting to me, the case last night as the verdict was read, alex murdaugh stoic. we saw him in the course of the trial crying, weeping, sobbing on the stand several times. devoid of emotion last night and this morning, as well. and then also to hear judge newman say it may not have been you. it may have been the person you have become on opioids and there have been reports alex murdaugh taking 50 to 60 pills a day but seemed that judge newman did not consider that justification or even an explanation for what he did. >> not moved by the judge addiction and the jury. they heard the testimony about that but they saw him lie time and time again with a straight face having no problem. they watched him on camera lie again and again and clearly they were not moved. they thought he wasn't credible. it was interesting. you point out the emotion both today -- lack thereof today and last ni

when they did the search at alameda, when they did the search there, marvin was there and john marlin asked hem did you find anything? we found a blue rain jacket back on the property. back on the property. back on the property. he said well my dad drives a buggy around. maybe it fell off the back of his buggy. clearly he was understanding it was back on the property and then they asked him to come look at the blue rain jacket and he was told it was found in the closet. and he said that doesn't sound right and they never clarified it. now here is a picture, 411 is a picture of the closet and you can see the blue rain jacket that is sort of folded up and stuffed down here at the bottom right. that's the blue rain jacket. and apparently right before this trial they showed shelly smith this picture and said does that look like a blue tarp you saw? yeah, sure it looks like it. they never showed her this. and she said this, 87 that's on the screen, she had never seen this. never seen this. but they did gsr testing on this and says oh, that's hot. a lot of gsr on there. and then -- and then

john ja rule. pasric lynch. marvin and margaret, eon, turner cynthia wheeler. stacy white and nick williams. a round of applause for those folks. >> thank you for discussion purposes only. go to item 8? item 898 franklin street shadow with chris towns. >> i got it. >> next. good afternoon i'm chris towns. a planner with rec and park departmentful capital and planning division >> i'm joined by chris lect lex from the planning department project planner on the case. will provide you with a summary of the mixed use develop the 98 franklin street and shouldedo affects on 5 parks under the jurisdiction of rec and park. laguna mini. patricia green. [inaudible] the future park at 11 and natomah and haze rally play ground this it is a rehearing that was heard by rec and park commission on may 21 of 2020 the commission recommended the project would not have a significant impact on the parks. however, since then sponsor the project with design and massing modification altered the shadow loads requiring updated analysis boy the commission. the rec and park commission of shadow cast can planning code 29