what you see is everything happened as jonathan wackrow described it. firstly counter assault team, when you can hear them in hot guy is here, spreads out and adds that protective field with the long guns. you see them decide that that is the moment. now that they've got that coverage to move the presently former president, towards the vehicles there's an ambulance is there, but instead they put him in the arm which is a decision because the conscious he's alert moving rather have the protection of that armored vehicle. and then you see them move him out towards medical care? what you then see is the clearing of that area wolf as jonathan also described, that's a crime scene. now wherever they encountered the shooter, if in fact that's what happened, that is a key part of it. whatever shell casings or other evidence or a weapon may recover that's a part of it. what you see when you look at the aerial view of this area is a wide open fairground with race track around it and very low slung buildings. there isn't high ground for a sniper so it suggests tha

indeed, the former us secret service agent, jonathan wackrow, is joining us right now. jonathan, you've watched the video, you saw the secret service agents rushed to the podium. there russia up, tell everybody to get down. what's your sense? what unfolded i'm not hearing jonathan wackrow. let's see if we can get that connection up as quickly as possible. you see the law enforcement on the scene there. this is butler, pennsylvania, just north of pittsburgh where just moments ago, the former president united states was speaking at a campaign rally when all of a sudden, you good hear what sounded like shots. you can hear him raise his right hand, see him raise his right hand and he goes to the ground. secret service comes up and they begin to escort him out of there as quickly as possible, but they're all deep on their knees, the deep on the ground, watching all of this unfold. i think we might have the former fbi i, deputy director andrew mccabe joining us right now, andrew, you there i am wolf. >> yeah. right. you tell us your sense of what unfolded right now, it looked

again former secret service agent jonathan wackrow is with us, so jonathan, as you look at what we know right now that the shooter was a top the rooftop that was basically overlooking where trump was speaking from this rally right there. and no one either prevented that shooter from showing up. there or stop them from shooting. it looks like there was a major blunder somewhere along the line. i wonder if you agree well, wolf, anytime you have a shooter within close proximity, that's at an elevated position that gives them an advantage. >> and that is something that will come out during this investigation. the secret service, along with the fbi and other investigators need to understand how did this individual you get to that location once he was up on that elevated position and started firing, it did appear just from the sound that in some eyewitness reports that law enforcement, the secret service, the counter sniper team, did engage in neutralized the threat almost immediately. but we have to, we have to understand what were the precipitating actions that this shooter took how were th

but we'll start seeing that some of those questions being answered over the next 24 hours. >> jonathan wackrow, evan perez, john miller or thanks to everyone at the end of a difficult and traumatic day from what we just heard at the press conference, there is clearly much more to come in this situation, potentially a lot more repercussions from it and anderson, as all of this unfolds and it's very, very painful to even be reporting about what has happened. >> cnn of course, will be there to bring it to all to you for now. thanks very much for watching the news continues right now with jim sciutto police secret service responding. former president you saw there raised his hand to the side of the head as he was apparently hit by one of those shots, the secret service russia getting onto the stage moving him from the stage once they confirm that the shooter was down as he was being taken from the stage blood on the side of his face was visible the secret service says suspected shooter is dead. in fact, they said it in those moments you saw there in this video appears to show the gunman after he w

let's go ahead and go to jonathan wackrow, who can talk us through this. she's got some prepared opening remarks director cheatle is expected to acknowledge the agency did fail when former president donald trump took to the stage, they, they failed in their preparation. they failed in their execution what are you expecting? what else would you expect to hear from her? because if you start at that point, you know, it's going to devolve from there when the members get a chance to question her yeah. >> well, good morning, sara and listen with the vice president harris now, entering the presidential race, the pressure on the secret service just got higher. it's going to further stretch in already resource resource-constrained agency. and i think you're going to see that theme come out today. it's going to set up for a really pressure-filled congressional hearing were a lot of things need to be answered there two key things that i actually want to hear today that come from the secret service. it's really transparency and accountability on the transparency side

i want to go to jonathan wackrow our law enforcement analyst and former secret service agent. ction to all of this? i know there was some concern and having the director of step down in between two different political conventions. i mean, that obviously that means the secret service is going to have some turnover now, it's going to have a shakeup at the top of the agency heading into the dnc. but what's your reaction to all this well jim, good morning. >> yes. and that is a concern, but as an institution the secret service is prepared for any type of, acute leadership change. the institution has been preparing for the dnc and the political activity. that surrounds it for years now, regardless, so who's at the top spot? so i don't think you'll see any direct impact on that. but in terms of the director is stepping down, this is the this is the right call. yesterday's testimony was a disaster to say the least. and it really undermines the credibility of the women and men of the secret service that are putting their lives on the line every single day. i mean, from the very beginni

as well these moments help expose for us weaknesses or vulnerabilities in the security plan jonathan wackrow, let me follow up with you about the role of the secret service here. i think we want to be very careful to note and have been throughout the morning that there were heroes there that stepped in potentially put their lives on the line for the former president. obviously, there was a, you could see, we have pictures of the sharpshooting team that it was responsible for ultimately making sure that this man wasn't able to file more shots. and of course, the shooter is now dead. but this does indicate a massive failure by the, by the secret service, by the people that were supposed to protect the former president from an incident like this. what do you think happened? why well, good morning. >> listen, i think that ad spot on and the way that he described our the secret service, they are protective methodology. it's basically concentric rings of protection that radiate out from in this case, the former president with the closest inner ring comprised predominately of special agents. and th

palm beach residence with me now, cnn law enforcement analyst and former secret service agent, jonathan wackrow. jonathan, good morning to you. what would be the reason to deny a candidates requests for additional security resources? >> well, victor, good morning. and i think the challenge here is we don't actually know what the request was now, i think what the secret service has always done in the past is they, they applied proportionality to requests for additional assets and it's based upon what specific threat those new assets, the net new assets would be what threat is that trying to mitigate? but really, i find it hard to believe that you, since the former president left office, there have been multiple threats that have been made towards him and most recently, we've been reporting this threat from iranian proxies operating in that persistent threat environment for the, for the former president. every resource that is potentially available, that the secret service has should have been applied to the former president you know, we knew that all along that he would be running for election a

let's bring in secret service agent and cnn law enforcement analyst, jonathan wackrow jonathan, thanks so much for being here with us. this is these are some while new details that we're getting, which also included that local law enforcement, there were minutes from when they had spotted this suspect with a weapon and had communicated that. what do you make of all of these details? we're getting because the secret service, the former secret service director said yesterday that she believed it had been seconds yeah. >> well, listen, i think this is the drip drip, drip of information that we're getting and we as the viewer and listening into these hearings are trying to piece together exactly what what happened on that tragic evening rather than having the director come out yesterday? give us and provide us additional information yesterday's testimony was a disaster in terms of transparency and accountability. but now, let me just get back to the point we were talking about the local law enforcement in the way that they reacted to me. this is very clear that roles and responsibilities o

let's bring in cnn law enforcement analyst and former secret service agent jonathan wackrow jonathan, i think one of the things that really stood out in this hearing was that, you know, we look at these moments that could have made the difference. one was if the perimeter had been bigger, but one was clearly the communications. now that we've learned that they were playing telephone and senator ossoff asked the acting director, you don't why can't you have local law enforcement and secret service on the same frequency talking to each other. and he said that it would take months of planning for them to be able to do that. explain that if you can well, yeah, i'm a little loss for words on exactly what the acting director meant by that. >> but briana, you're exactly correct. there were multiple points of intervention throughout the precipitating events prior to the shooting that local law enforcement could have been involved? all they could have directly engaged with this individual who is exhibiting you suspicious behavior, anomalous behavior. i mean, going back hours, this isn't just t

i want to go next to a former secret service agent, jonathan wackrow also seen a national security analyst. juliette kayyem. juliette and jonathan. before i talked to you both, i just want to replay what happened. and just for our viewers, who are just joining yes, but also because i want to talk over some of the details, particularly with you, jonathan, of what we see the secret service do in terms of covering the former president, not immediately evacuating him until and also just remind viewers that the audio that they're going to hear is largely secret service agents talking among, each other while they are covering the former president. and you hear some words from the former president about his shoes. and then saying, wait, and then doing the fist in the air. so let's let's play that that's a little bit all that chart, that charts a couple of months old. and if you want to really see something that said, take a look at what happened when you're ready, on, you ready? good to know well, let me get much for me let me get my shoes. your head. >> so we're getting a, number of things. >> f

>> no jonathan wackrow, appreciate it. >> evan perez as well. thanks so much. that's it for us. news continues the source with kaitlan collins starts. now see you tomorrow breaking news from the source tonight, a political sucker punch, jd vance's candid admission and i pride fundraiser about facing kamala harris instead of joe biden in 2024, listen for herself to hi

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former fbi deputy director andrew mccabe we're also joined by a former secret service agent, jonathan wackrow, i believe is also with us. but first to you, andy, i'm curious to get your reaction to learning that saturday's shooting happened after there was already an increase in security because of this iranian plot all the boris, it's it's not surprising to me at all that the former president is really still on the iranians radar on a personal level because he was president when the united states took out general qassem soleimani, the head of the irgc quds force and loved almost iconic figure in iran. >> i wrote a piece at a time and suggested that that debt would, they would try to get have that debt paid off at some point, this was not something that was going to go away quicker they would dedicate themselves to try to avenge his death, whether it happens today or ten years from now so he is still in a significant target for the iranians on that reason alone plus, of course, they've got no love for the united states generally, particularly now with us support to israel so the opportunity t

right now, i want to bring in the former us secret service agent, jonathan wackrow and former deputy director of the andrew mccabe to both of you. thanks very much for joining us so walk us through what to anticipate. andrew, let me start with you right now. i take it the fbi will be in charge of this full scale investigation. >> yeah, that's right. wolf. and i think they've made a public announcement to that effect as well already. so they are really ramping up quite confident that resources had already been deployed that evidenced response teams and personnel and counterterrorism investigators from all of the regional field offices and some from headquarters are heading towards pittsburgh right now. there's a whole process in place to enable that deployment to take place instantly they will be focusing obviously on identifying the shooter and once he's identified, peeling back every aspect of his life to understand everything about about him where he's from, how he got there, why he may have done this, how he armed themselves and crucially, whether or not he knew or i'm sorry, whet

mary ellen o'toole, jonathan wackrow. thank you so much. i wish i had more time with you guys today. you're great much more to come on that on that review on the investigation, but also back here in milwaukee the focus is, will the message from this republican convention be all about unity? >> how have things changed, or when? hill they have been changed from the events of this weekend you're the leader for the republican party of wisconsin, joining us next good stuff brought to you by the farmers dog real fresh pet food delivered long live dogs it's time yes. the time has come for a fresh approach to dog food. every day. more dog people are deciding its time to quit the kibble and feed their dogs fresh food from the farmers dog made by buybacks and delivered right to your door precisely portion from your dogs needs. it's an idea whose time has come how can experience boost, help if finds payments i already made like insurance streaming, boom, to build my credit. >> and it's from very the credit experts more ways to build credit, download t

former secret service agent jonathan wackrow and former fbi deputy director andrew mccabe jonathan just in terms of that structure, that the gunman was on, it was outside the security perimeter does that mean what would that mean in terms of who's responsibility is it? is it the secret services responsibility to have somebody posted there is a local law enforcement. what is being outside the permanent mean from a law enforcement standpoint? well first of all, the secret service bears the responsibility for the security plan. >> they own it. they go in they develop it through a threat-based methodology of talked about this their methodology and how it's applied time and time again they own that the full accountability for the situation. let's talk about the secure perimeter. when we talk about that secure perimeter, all we're talking about is the bifurcation of individuels that have been cleared through magnetometers so attendees guess it's really basic access control that is setting up the secure perimeter that doesn't mean that the threat environment goes away once, once you go over th

overview of those nearby buildings and how their rooftops connect my source tonight on this as jonathan wackrow, former secret service agent and cnn law enforcement analysts i mean, i got to ask you about this reporting because donald trump junior tweeted tonight saying that he couldn't even fly a drone over his dad's beach house. him personally, them knowing that he is his son, and the fact that this was allowed to happen. what do you make of that? >> well, listen, i think what you're as the investigation goes on, we're seeing more and more information come out about the attacker. what we're seeing is an elevated level of pre-attack surveillance that has been applied. >> but the challenge for law enforcement is with off the shelf technology, we're talking about drones, rangefinders were seeing a level of sophistication that will apply to this attack. >> okay that the secret service really hasn't seen in years, especially when we're now talking about aerial surveillance while the site is currently secure, because the reporting is that around 4:00, that drone went up, that means that that site w

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now is former secret service agent cnn law enforcement analyst jonathan, jonathan wackrow. you see in this video well, what i what i see in here is, is actually what we've been talking about all along, which is a breakdown in communication when you have local law enforcement doing micro communication point-to-point around a suspicious person or a threat that's not being broad broadcast to the entire law enforcement stakeholder group at the site. >> that right there is a problem. what we heard through testimony yesterday was that officers that were assigned to cover basically an old overwatch position to cover this point of vulnerability, this roof, they actually left their post to go address the threat or go try to find the threat somewhere else. so what we're seeing here, coming out through this investigation are two main themes. it's roles and roles. roles and responsibility. we're not clearly articulated from the secret service to local law enforcement around the criticality of their posts and their responsibilities in to a breakdown in communication, whether it was a com

i'm joined by senior justice correspondent evan perez and former secret service agent jonathan wackrow evan, i mean, the idea that it was minutes from a police officer hoisting up, seeing a guy with a gun, and then not engaging with them and then that guy is still being able to be up there as incredible i understand you have new video just released from the scene of the shooting. >> yeah. anderson, we just got this video that was released by senator chuck grassley and one of the things that we learned in this new video is you're seeing the aftermath of the shooting and you see secret service agent of there talking to some of the local officers who were on the scene. and you can see the body of the gunman. you can see the blood trailing on the on the roof there. and you also see a shot there of the building nearby, which is what the pennsylvania police commissioner there was talking about that's where these officers first spotted this man and took video or took took a pictures rather that they sent out to police they saw him on a bicycle, they saw a bag and considered him to be suspicio

of heated rhetoric they're going to have to really rethink security in general, in my opinion jonathan wackrow, you are a former us secret service agent. >> what do you make of all this new reporting and what obviously was some sort of failure in law enforcement protection of the former president yesterday well, jake, this is a seminal moment for the united states secret service. >> they need to act quickly and conduct a mission assurance review to go over the entire security plan that was put forth at this site? hey to really understand where were these lapses where were these failures? i mean, we are now hearing that the suspect tried to or was seen, in around the magnetometers what type of behavior was that? was that some sort of pentateuch penetration testing to see if they could launch an attack there. if not, then today they moved to a secondary location, which was the elevated shooting position on top of that roof again, there are a lot of questions here that the secret service must answer very quickly. and then readjust future security plans quickly. because we are in the middle of the

and the secret service at that point didn't know that he existed at a point in time, jonathan wackrow. thank you so much for your great analysis. appreciate it, and new hour of cnn central starts right now this morning the campaign of vice president kamala harris as they see a big weakness in the republican ticket. >> j.d. vance, how they plan to use their new 200 million cash haul to exploit it? one of the nation's most restrictive abortion laws takes effect today. what you need to know about the near ban and troubled waters at the paris olympics as the sun is deemed too dirty to swim. here is an existential question is a triathlons still a triathlon if you only do two things kate is out today. i'm john berman with sara sinder. this is cnn news central new this morning, the harris campaign seizing on backlash against j.d. >> vance calling him a major vulnerability for donald trump. they're hoping to paint a stark contrast with harris, his own vice presidential pick, whoever that may be, and they're doubling down on a new attack line against trump and vance calling them, just plain we

. >> last hour, i spoke with former secret service agent jonathan wackrow about why the secret service would deny trump additional resources here's what he said i find it hard to believe that you since the former president left office, there had been multiple threats that have been made towards him. >> and most recently, we've been reporting this threat from iranian proxies operating in that persistent threat environment for the, for the former president. every resource that is potentially available, that the secret service has should have been applied to the former president you know, we knew that all along that he would be running for election again. he is very vocal. he draws a lot large crowds wherever he goes. so he's constantly operating in this threat environment. so i'm a little bit stunde hear that on not one occasion, but multiple multiplications, these requests have been denied and that needs to be a focus of this upcoming hearing. >> now, the former president is taking this attempt in stride, making some few, a few jokes on saturday, he held his first campaign rallies since

communication with the secret service cnn's evan perez joins us now former secret service agent, jonathan wackrowevan, senator chuck grassley's office, that with the new timeline revealing law enforcement first became aware of the shooter over 90 minutes before he opened fire. he kind of walks us through that that's right. >> anderson and key a key part of this is also what communication there was between those local law enforcement officer so some of the whom talked to abc and the secret service, which is of course, in charge of security for the former president. but one of the first things that happens is it for 20, 6:00 p.m. a beaver county sniper, who is finishing his shift, walks out and he sees the gunman for the first time and he sees him at a picnic table. he notices like a couple of other law enforcement officers later, they noticed that he is not trying to get into the rally. that was the first thing that that set him off and so he alerts beaver county and some of the other law enforcement people about his presence. now 538 pm, the sniper sends a photos of the shooter again two other la

assassination attempt on a president, a former president, or a candidate you need to resign jonathan wackrow, cnn law enforcement analyst and former secret service agent here with us i'm so curious about what you thought watching this, but just first i want to ask if you think she can withstand these calls to resign when you have comer and raskin calling jointly for it know, listen when you have a bipartisan consensus on the resignation, i mean, it's hard to navigate the political environment in washington, dc with that as a backdrop, right? i think what we saw today was not the finest moment for the united states secret service. and a long time and this testimony cause more harm than good. obviously, we've heard that from members of congress that the director failed to answer your particular questions resulting not only from the event, but also any type of precipitating actions that were made by the leadership at the secret service. they could you have caused some sort of systemic issue within the agency that caused this security lapse to occur. >> but more importantly, it also highlighted

really an effort the patrol directly former secret service agent and cnn law enforcement analyst, jonathan wackrow joins me now. >> and that was quite a stark thing to say that the communication, they didn't have an easy way to do that. how does this normally work? >> well, good morning, sara. and yes, this you to hear this directly, not through testimony, but directly from individuals that were on-site is quite shocking and it is not the norm. the norm is to have interoperable communication between local law enforcement entities. whether that is the local swat team, state police, and the secret service, you want a unified structure around communications setup so that the moment that a suspicious individual or a threat is identified, that there's a unified approach on who is going to engage with that individual and then should it be necessary? very coordinate the response to a specific threat. what we saw here was multiple failures of communication and then on top of that, when there was communication, that the messages that were passed were not actioned off of quickly enough. again, pointing to t

. >> former secret service this agent, jonathan wackrow says, roe was more transparent with lawmakers about the assassination attempt that his predecessor, kimberly cheatle, who tendered her resignation last week, but also says this with all of the manpower and resources that is putting forth towards multiple investigations, we should have greater clarity as to what happened on that day ronald rowe testified that the secret service was not told that the shooter was on the roof of that building and that they only learned of his presence after he started shooting roe blamed that on a failure of communication patient by local law enforcement, the president of the national fraternal order of police said, that's like a general blaming a tank driver for losing a battle. >> pamela. >> all right. brian todd. thanks so much. we'll be right back. >> he be on the edge, moments that shaped our culture coming this fall on cnn for more than a decade. or sega has been trusted again and again and again ask your doctor about for sega when you buy or sell your car, exactly how you want with cargo ruse

. >> that's a very good point i did ask one of our law enforcement analyst, jonathan wackrow, who is former secret service. if part of the problem here is also a failure of dhs oversight. and congressional oversight. and he said that it is both. what do you say to that i think that again, i think that this is a failure on many, many parts and i think that over the next couple of weeks and now that this new task force is formed, i really hope that we get to the bottom of this this isn't a partisan issue. >> this is what we need to focus on is who failed, not only the american people, there was innocent bystanders killed that day, but who felt president trump and who failed? >> the agency and other law enforcement professionals at that scene there are also questions about whether it was just this particular scene or if this is indicative of a systemic problem, which i think is a very valid question we have so many law enforcement experts saying that you have the secret service director resigning last week. but what else? does accountability look like when you may have a systemic proble

fans were for dealing with this contingency anderson and it appears all of that fell apart no jonathan wackrow, appreciate evan perez as well. >> thanks so much. that's it for us. the news continues right here on cnn outfront. >> next, an exclusive interview with jd vance's former yale law school classmate and close friend sophia nelson, who vance refers to as so sharing more than 80 emails without trend vans and those emails taking on trump, the police, maga voters we'll share them with you. plus kamala harris is momentum raising record cash, doubling down on calling trump and vance flat-out weird, that's the word they're using. now republicans are trying to turn the tables. >> will it work? >> and kim jong un's tonight preparing his daughter, his young daughter, to take over the country this daughter is not even teenager yet and it comes as new details emerge about just how poor kim's health is let's go outfront and good evening. i'm erin burnett outfront tonight. will the real j.d. vance please stand up tonight, an exclusive interview with jd vance's former classmate and close friend sophia

you're the second it was also we're jonathan wackrow on formerly of the secret service, who said the exact same thing that you go and get a sense of what's going none steve moore, great to speak with you. thank you so much thank you very much. and let's head back to milwaukee and two boris we're following, breaking news now into cnn, as was widely expected, special counsel, jack smith's team has appealed the decision by judge aileen cannon to throw out the classified documents, indictment against former president donald trump, joining us now is cnn anchor kaitlan collins. >> kaitlan, this was not something that was unexpected, but it's still fast yeah, it's quite fast actually, in 30 days to do this. >> and so you are seeing jackson's this move very quickly to try to get this decision by judge cannon reversed. it was a shock decision that came down on monday, the first day of this republican convention in certainly news that the trump team internally was celebrating as judge cannon outright said, she was dismissing the case basically on a separation of powers issue, nothing to do wit

let's bring in cnn law enforcement analyst and former secret service agent jonathan wackrow.ean, so many details there the of questions for you about. i want to start with going through the mags with a rangefinder, which of course, hunters will be familiar with golfers may also be familiar with. should he have had surveillance i mean, clearly they were watching him inside the secure area. what about outside? should he have had surveillance outside the secure area once he left? >> yeah. brianna, good afternoon. in listen, when you're working a magnetometer post as an officer or as an agent and you see someone bringing in something that's anomalous, like it's yes hunters in this area probably have rangefinders that are on them, but are they bringing it to a political rally? someone should have keyed in immediately. that that is anomalous. and not only just you surveil them, but a protective intelgence team should have gone up in done a field interview just to fully assess, double-check, right. trust. trust, but verify that this was an honest mistake bringing it in. but now we k

>> no jonathan wackrow, appreciate it. >> evan perez as well. thanks so much. that's it for us. the news continues the source with kaitlan collins starts. now see you tomorrow breaking news from the source tonight, a political sucker punch, jd vance's candid admission and i pride fundraiser about facing kamala harris instead of joe biden in 2024, listen for herself to his assessment of the race as cnn is learning more tonight but why a big name just pulled out of the veepstakes? >> i'm kaitlan collins and this is the source with 99 days left until election day and just 49 of those until early voting begins. there's breaking news on multiple fronts tonight. and the vice president's search of her vice president potentially north carolina governor roy cooper has just confirmed he is removed himself from considering duration, saying in a statement that it wasn't the right time for him to be on a national ticket. now, he had been near the top of the vp watchlist. so this is notable and we'll have more in a moment from our sources about why he would drew. but there's also breaking new