joyce, i want to start with you.listen, we've heard what chump, i called him chump, might have been a freudian slip. sorry about that. we have heard what he's saying publicly, his legal team going out and making all of these comments, how hard is he making it for his legal team with public admissions of guilt and attacks on law enforcement. >> trump is a nightmare of a client. i don't think you have to be a rocket scientist to figure that out. when you have criminal exposure, the most intelligent thing that you can do is to remain silent while all of the facts sort out. but here trump was out early and often, he had his surrogates on television. they went through this shifting array of defenses, which it turns out are contradictory. first of all, it was that the fbi planted materials, then he declassified them with his magic wand. anything that went to the residence was declassified and at some point you have to believe he's damaged his credibility so significantly that if this case does proceed to prosecution, he wo

joyce is a very careful lawyer.m neither of those things so i want to put it a little more bluntly. is this more evidence or more information that suggests that trump lied about what remained and trump lied about where it was? >> i think it's more probable than not that trump lied to his lawyers, caused them to make false statements to the department of justice. i'm giving the lawyers the benefit of the doubt because i'm a lawyer and i like to think lawyers don't typically lie to the united states government during a criminal investigation. they may have exercised some modicum of due diligence. but the problem with being a lawyer for donald trump is no lawyer can exercise client control. no lawyer can get the truth out of their client when their client's name is donald trump. so it's more likely than not that he lied to them, knowing they were going to transmit those lies to the government. there's nothing that antagonizes an fbi agent or a justice department lawyer than being lied to. that's why this correction pie

joyce, that's a lot of law. now i'm going to get back to god. as we say around here, on god, when we talk about things that are very true. you know steve bannon. have you ever known him to be a super spiritual person? i'll say i haven't. >> have not seen a lot of god going on there. >> okay. so that's my introduction to more of a legal question. mr. bannon has got multiple cases, convicted in the january 6 defiance case, charged now yesterday in new york over defrauding maga donors. he's speaking out. here's what he said, joyce. >> yesterday was one of the best days of my life. it was a very powerful, spiritual day for me. a lot of things came into high clarity. i was totally in the zone, as you say in sports, the entire time. and, you know, they're not going shut me up. >> joyce, your thoughts. >> i've heard a lot of defendants talk tough at the outset of a case when they're newly indicted. and then as the realities of the evidence and the strength of the government's case and the amount of time that they're facing settle in, the talk becomes a

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museum of history cosmonautics, on september 19, 1945, a british court sentenced to death william joycelanguage programs on nazi radio during the second world war, a us citizen by birth joyce grew up in ireland then he lived in england and in the thirties imbued with the ideas of nazism became one of the founders of the national socialist league in britain when the authorities wanted to arrest him. he fled to germany , took german citizenship, began broadcasting propaganda to an english-speaking audience in may 1945, british troops captured him deeds. joyce was declared treason, he was sentenced to death and hanged, this execution is considered a violation of legal norms, since he was not a british subject, and besides, this is the only case in history when the death sentence in britain was actually carried out for one statement. on september 19, 1952 , charlie chaplin was forbidden to return to the usa; he was born in england at the age of 20 went on tour to america and decided to stay there; his career was a fantastic actor directors, often a producer his films, he became a mega-star,

joyce, let's start with you. your thoughts on ginni thomas' appearance before the 1/6 committee with the caveat, of course, joyce, we don't have a transcript of her testimony at this time. >> so it's interesting to see what people are beginning to make of ginni thomas' testimony, but, katie, as you know and i think as you hint, there is a lot of difference between the sort of testimony that someone gives in front of congress where they're being treated deferentialally and obtained in front of a grand jury and the differences that in the latter more pointed questions are asked and there's less wiggle room and so i think at best this testimony or what we've heard reported from it is equivocal and we don't know precisely what thomas might have said had she been under more scrutiny but here's the reality, whether she ever had a conversation with her husband about her activities or not, that shouldn't be the standard for when a judge makes a decision that he should recuse and if ultimately this is in part at least abo

joyce took advantage of that, huge left hand sending the new zealander crashing down to the canvas.nced in delight after sending the perfect message to his rivals. now i get the credit i deserve from this fight and it makes me at the elite level, there is no argument, so i'm happy. i enjoyed the fight and got the win, the highlight of knockout. at this stage of my career, joe was a tough challenge, as you guys saw tonight, the pressure he put on and every time i hit him he kept coming back and we knew exactly what he was going to do, but everything did not click as i thought it would, but hey, it is boxing. the 37—year—old is now the mandatory challenger to 0leksandr usyk for the wbo title. those riches lie ahead, but this display has finally put joyce in the mix for the very best heavyweights in the division. finally, double olympic champion eliud kipchoge has beaten his own world marathon record by 30 seconds in berlin, despite playing down his chances of doing so before the race. the kenyan crossed the line to beat his previous best set four years ago, also in the german capital.

joyce, you know i'm going to you first. i want to share how politico describes what went down today with a right, tension between theory and trump's leader legal team was an ominous sign for the former president, reminding our audience, trump picked dearie. given that, on day one, how bad was it for him? >> well, it was bad for trump, stephanie, but it was nothing that anyone who had where the law and looked at the facts and the situation wouldn't have anticipated. and i think what is so shocking about this is that we have almost lost our expectation that the former president will be treated like any other litigant in the courtroom. that is exactly what judge dearie did today. but the talk about, you can't have your cake and needed to, was a function of what the burden of proof is in a civil lawsuit that the former president filed -- actually has put evidence in front of the court that suggests that he is entitled to relief, and one way he could do that would be by the claiming claiming he had declassified documents. so, he

back with us again is joyce vance.f possible crimes could the doj be investigating -- >> this is a really interesting development. it's not yet clear whether the doj's investigating some sort of fraud, this would be a relatively guarded variety of fraud. right, telling people that you are going to use their money to do something when in fact you are personally benefiting from it or entities that you are associated with are benefiting from it. but it's not clear if doj is pursuing those sorts of criminal fraud charges here. whether this lie investigation would help twofer they're their case involving the insurrection. it might, for instance, of what the ultimate goals or motivations of the former president, could there be some communications that made clear what the purpose was. this is a very interesting development. >> sure is, steve bannon, the person vowing to fight on, and they will have to kill him for us to shut him up. what kind of implications are here with these charges, what kind of prison time could he be lo

also, joyce vance, former u.s. attorney now law professor at the university of alabama and former republican congressman, david jolly. they're all msnbc contributors and friends of this hour. katie, i want to start with you. the hearing is now officially postponed. but what can you tell us about what the committee had planned for tomorrow because it's likely to be rescheduled pretty soon. they're only delaying it because of the storm. >> the first question, there were a lot of questions inside of the committee about what could happen and what they could present to the american public. there are no witnesses, for example. they weren't really sure what they should say. this has been in some ways a hearing that has been a debate about whether or not there should be a recap of what happened. what the most compelling evidence is they can show about people like roger stone and whether they should take the eye off of donald trump. should they be looking at massive security failures that happened ahead of january 6th? whic

joyce vance from u.s. attorney and professor at the alabama school of law, both are msnbc contributors. it is good to see you both. joyce i want to start with you, i don't get your reaction to what the congressman said. there >> well i think exemplifies public service. we don't see enough of this on the republican side of the aisle. i hate to doubt that sharp political line but i think it's very clear. we need people who are willing to serve democracy, who are willing to serve the country and not the party. i think that's what his comments are hinting at. we see that some measure of republicans. hopefully as we move into the midterms i think sometimes as voters we undervalue the forest and the role that we can exert here over elected officials. but if voters demand an evidence support for people who will prioritize the country, rather than the gains or losses of any one party that may help moving past the midterm elections where congressman small says one of the options here is just constant ongoing politi

to joyce's point, legal experts were shocked at the original order. and again, she has an opportunity to fix that in a way that i think most legal experts would say is more consistent with both the law and the national interest. we don't know what she's going to do. she hasn't been on the bench for very long. appointed by former president trump himself. i think we'll have to wait to see which he does. >> you actually contributed, jarred and then, to a great piece about how the former president suggested that these documents were for the presidential library. he wrote that trump has wanted to leave an impression that his focus has shifted to his legacy some close to him say. what more can you tell us? expand on this. >> there's attention, here, right? the idea that he brought these documents to his home so that you could put them in a presidti library suggested he doesn't think he's gonna be president again. others folks close to him that say that's part of his thought, it's not very good for his pr in terms of a potential future presidential candidate

joyce, you're sticking around with us.ext the other big legal wolf facing trump world, the january six investigation. there is new scrutiny this sunday on ginni thomas and her efforts to overthrow the election in two states. but what does accountability look like for the wife of a sitting supreme court justice? we will dig deeper into trump's rhetoric in pennsylvania. his words helping reignite an already explosive divide in american politics. just a stone's throw from the november midterms. plus, an update on the water crisis in jackson, mississippi, and what it's going to take to fix it. lieutenant general russel honore will join us. but first to jessica layton, who is standing by with the other big stories we're tracking this hour on msnbc. jessica? >> thanks, juliÁn, police in las vegas are it that we get in the killing of an investigative journalist. there jeff german was a writer for the las vegas review journal. he was stabbed outside his home and they say altercation late friday led to that stabbing. police have al

also joining, us joyce vance, a former u.s. attorney, msnbc legal analyst, a professor at the university of alabama law school, and, a friend of the program. great to have both of you with us. let me start with you, and get your reaction to this civil suit. this is not a new legal battle for donald trump, a new legal front perhaps, but not a new battle. during a six hour deposition in new york last month, trump pleaded the fifth at least 440 times. last week, as lawyers even attempted to settle the suit. what kind of impact will those events have as they move forward? then >> you are absolutely right. it is not a new battle. it is happening openly, and above period of time, and the former president has had every opportunity against tish james to not file a lawsuit, or to let them settle it, before it was filed, or at the same time i was filed. then they suggest, hughes very could food be evidence. the documents filed in court is extremely detailed. it lays out more than 200 instances of inflation of assets. of course, this is s

joyce, to you first. what exactly is the justice department looking for in terms of what they want judge cannon to do? >> well, what doj has asked judge cannon to do is to release the classified documents that were seized at mar-a-lago. both so that they can use them in criminal investigation in the intelligence communities work. but also to exempt them from review by the special master. so, this is a very limited focus. this is a request that the judge stay just a part of her order. and of course, doj, you know, that sort of the carrot. the stick is, and if you don't do this, we will go ahead and make the same request and atlanta to the 11th circuit. but also, we can anticipate a much broader appeal from doj when they get to the 11th circuit. in their opening pleading to judge can, and they told her that although they were limiting their request for a stay for the classified documents, they had a much broader disagreement with her order on a range of issues. >> all right, but glenn, let's say they go to

we're back with joyce vance and claire mccaskill.ire, this is holding him accountable, keeping him from running for office under the 14th amendment, i believe. why not apply that standard to trump or congressman perry or the guy that wore body armor or any of those other guys? >> i think it's a matter of evidence. that's why all the work that's going on at doj, looking into what trump actually did and when and who he talked to and what he said is so important. there was a lot of evidence here that this man not only was in the capitol but that he was leading people, that he was part of planning, getting people to do this. by the way, this is not the first judge that's found that it was a seditious insurrection. a judge in georgia found that around marjorie taylor greene but said there wasn't enough evidence to connect her to the actual planning and the actual participation. they had that with this individual. they had just boat loads of evidence. that's why this happened. the question remains, will more evidence develop that will pull

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i think this point that joyce made is absolutely right.onald trump is dictating essentially non legal arguments, and you can hear the former president's voice saying he has the absolute power to do this and that. that's the tale. donald trump has declared absolute power and absolute right to do any number of things he does not in fact have, absolute power to do, and i do think he benefits because the legal timetable and the legal constraints are not the game donald trump is often playing. he's. playing for time, here as you pointed out, and he's playing for political advantage and the rest is succeeding waves of lawyers he hires to deal with. >> -- let's talk about, time peter. six weeks. it has been six weeks until donald trump has not offered a single word explaining why he took the documents in the first place. is he going to have to answer this question? he is going on tv. >> yeah, it's a great question. i think you're exactly right what your finger on that. this issue of whether things were declassified or not in some ways is a red he

and joyce vance is the u.s.ney for the northern district of alabama, she teaches at the university of law alabama. brendan, let me start with. you let start with this ludicrous idea that there was this, again, i think the classification that it's a little like the mystery of the communion host. there are some moments, there is a miraculous moment, when it gets trans especially aided from classify to declassified when the president touches, it or he will sit so, telepathically. so first i think it's worthwhile saying why that's ludicrous, which i think it is. what do you think? >> well, you know, even if the theory itself is ludicrous or sort of -- it is almost, i would say, a knowable in terms of the criminal charges itself, it ultimately should have, at best, and negligible impact if any impact whatsoever. >> say more. >> so, ultimately, declassification, whether the documents were classified or unclassified, it doesn't actually affect the three charges at guess present. here two of the charges don't have to de

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are republicans and trump camp, and they reading barr's comments the same way joyce says?i keep hearing barr saying the doj has almost enough evidence to indict him. >> republicans have remained pretty mama on this, but i tend to agree with joyce here, which is that most people in the republican party took a former attorney general barr's comments to mean the former president shouldn't be indicted and the president should the precedent shouldn't be broken. he is protected by a sort of, the things that come with a post presidency, and that the former president should go quietly into the night. that being said, republicans are just coming back to washington d. c. now. they're going to be facing an onslaught of questions from reporters, senate republicans have already returned. house republicans just coming back next week, so i certainly think that we are going to hear more varied responses. maybe some people finally turning the corner as the news about what exactly was taken by the fbi from mar-a-lago as underscoring the severity of the investigation as we reported yesterday

tim ryan, congressman joyce beatty. do not think we could have gotten the infrastructure built on without joyce. she was the final capstone. we thought it was hanging in the balance, but i do not what you did that last four hours. but whatever you did, you got it done. [applause] gonzales, mike kerry, tony for the work in the house. we are also joined by congressional leaders from around the country who fought for this bill. eddie johnson, the chair of the house science committee. this bill would not have gotten done without you. it would not have. i am also joined by another congressman, a tireless champion for american innovation and seeing that workers are part of the deal. she could not be here, maria campbell deserves credit area chair of the senate commerce committee from the state of washington. maria was tireless in getting this bill through the senate, and again, mike, i want to thank you your work on this project again as well. i especially want to thank the labor eaters here. my dear friend, the president of

. >> and joyce vance legal analyst and attorney for the university of alabama school of law and clint -- nbc national security analyst and distinguished research fellow at the fore and institute. >> thank you all for being here. clint, you may be away as well because i think that's a different backdrop. let's go to this, peter. before i get your reaction to donald trump speech last night, let's take a look at what form white house communications director stephanie grisham said about his remarks. >> i would imagine that we will see a lot more realities where he will feel he has got his voice and he will continue to be divisive and blame everybody and not take responsibility. i think -- he doesn't think anybody is following the legal aspects of it and then all he has to say is his version of the truth and the mega extreme right wing of the party will believe him. >> sadly, they will. >> peter, is how you interpret the former presidents messaging? to see his defiant stance of some kind of political strategy or just his and needs reaction to something? >> i think it can be both, of course

what david joyce is trying to do is draw universities in to the solution here on student debt. remember in the tax cuts and jobs act, we created an endowment and designed to be a strong financial incentive for colleges to focus on preventing and lowering students dealt by using their ample endowments. unfortunately they didn't get the message. instead, they focused on repealing the tax with democrats, criticized it as a major tax break for the wealthy. so what david joyce wants to do is expand on that tax, expand it to more colleges, create real pressure to keep tuition under inflation and generate dollars to pay for the student debt. my frustration is that we made it clear to the universities, if you bring us a plan to lower student debt, that's one measurement, lower student debt, we'll find a way to get you out from under endowment tax. we want that endowment to go from preventing students debt. none of them took us up on that. i think it would be smart for universities to rethink sort of their approach to this whole endowment tax and how they use them. >> trace: the fact of

>> thank you for that question, ranking member joyce. the creative forces program is an amazing initiative, as you know. it has grown over the last 10 to 12 years, to have 12 sites all over the country. it is a collaboration between the department of defense and veterans affairs. the impact it has had not only on military personnel who have experienced trauma, but by extension, their families owned communities have been documented in ways that are credible scientifically. i think it is a remarkable program that has the capacity to inspire other ways of understanding the arts in society in general. it is one of the things i am excited about, it is what we are learning from that work at the intersection of arts and health through the military and its application in both communities, for sure, and beyond. one of the ways that the program is expanding is -- there is a grant program now that is focused on community resources that are available to expand the work be on to the sites that are based in the military facilities. bring getting more

joyce, i am going to go to you first. that nugget stood out to me and all of my producers.ippet about this unspecified chief judge stand out to you? >> it's an interesting comment, but frankly, joy, we don't know what it means. there are a lot of chief judges. we don't know what the basis for the statement was. i'm a little bit hesitant to get too far out on this one, simply because there's such a lack of clarity. but that certainly underlines the need for doj to be able to proceed with the criminal investigation in this case, particularly since some of the charges that doj has suggested that they're pursuing could involve obstruction of justice. it's a bright line distinction between a federal judge in miami and the southern district of florida who tried to shut down this criminal investigation and the need for it to proceed speedily. >> let me go to you on this one because this idea of shutting down the investigation would really has perplexed a lot of people, including lay people like myself is the idea that the federal government, that the fbi and the agencies involved

attorney joyce vance, also an msnbc legal analyst. joyce, good to see you. so, what do you make of that second ruling on the justice department's ability to review these documents, those 100 classified documents specifically, that they do have to continue to hold and pause before the special master looks at them? >> it's i'm going to say an interesting ruling, willie, in the sense that it's internally contradictory, because the judge tells doj that she rejects their assessment about whether documents are classified or not and whether there are privilege issues, but on the other hand there's this really interesting footnote late in the ruling where she says that if doj ultimately finds that the criminal investigation and the intelligence review come together in a way where they're inextricably intertwined, that doj can just make that judgment and go ahead. this seems like a judge -- and it sort of pains me to criticize a federal judge because cases are often very close. the supreme court decides a lot of cases 5-4. but increasingly it's clear that this is an

joining me now is joyce vance, a former attorney and analyst, and mark -- and in and mess nbc nationality and intelligence analysts. joyce, let's begin with the doj's appeal of judge cannons -- what are their arguments, what are the chances that this 11th circuit court of appeals, where by the way six of the 11 judges are trying appointees, we'll ruling the judge's favor? >> right now we're only looking at this very limited appeal of the district judges state order. doj's larger appeal on her ruling's yet to come. we haven't seen the first pleading in that yet. we may known for sometime. but right now they're saying, the district court, please let us use these classified documents. the argument is, the former president has no conceivable right to these documents. they are classified material. that classification designation is up to the government, not to trump, at least not at this point. so there is no reason to include these documents in the special master's review. the government suggests that there could likely be irreparable damage to national security if it's not permitted to pr

attorney joyce vance, now our legal analyst.ine, so what options do they have depending on what happens today? >> that's right, chris, the judge can do what she pleases. but the justice department has told the judge that if she doesn't rule by the end of today, they will make the same request to the appeals court in atlanta. so there is a number of scenarios that could happen here. she does grant the doj what they want, they still intend to appeal her whole order. they filed a notice to do that. but this would give them the latitude to start using those classified documents in their investigation and resume the damages assessment which they say is on hold right now and which is harming national security. she could rule against them and decline to grant the stay in which case they will take it right up to the appeals court. i guess it is also possible she could modify her ruling in the face of powerful evidence that there is really no way that these classified documents could be subject to executive privilege or attorney/client p

joyce, what is your response to hearing this?s not a president who supports law enforcement, given that he plans on pardoning people who violently confronted, and attacked folks in law enforcement who were defending the capitol that day. but look, simone, this is just standard fare for trump. he is back to dangling pardons in an effort to keep people on his side. and perhaps, the most dangerous part of what is going on here is something we really don't talk about enough, but it is trump's ongoing effort to delegitimized law enforcement. his effort to convince his base, and i am sure in his mind, other people, that the justice department is corrupt. that the fbi is acting against him, out of political enemies. and of course, that sets up as this investigation moves forward, the theme that he will continue to trot out. and it is very dangerous moment in this country where you have it powerful figure who has a megaphone strapped to his mouth every time he opens up trying to convince people that they cannot trust our criminal justice

. >> ken, before we get to joyce on this, what can we expect from today's hearing? >> it's hard to know the federal judge -- there's a lot of different ways she could go here. if she decides to rule today, we could learn whether there will be a special master appointed in this case. whether she'll adhere to some of the conditions of the justice department request. they're arguing there shouldn't be a special master, put they're saying, judge, if you appoint one, we would like conditions to make it go faster than it normally would and the master should only be looking at attorney/client privilege. the trump team wants the master to look at everything for executive privilege, which the justice department argues does not exist in this case. >> joyce, i want to bring up something i mentioned at the top of the show in which trump's attorneys said left unchecked, trump's attorney said they will impugn, leak aspects of their investigation. we know all this because it was in a filing to the request for a special master, right? >> that's absolutely right. one of the most int

joyce, the appeal or the appeal to part of the decision at least, what is the process on that?t is the timeline and do you think that the doj was right to do that? >> so there are two simultaneous processes going on here. on the one hand we've got doj asking the district judge to stay part of her order. and that will proceed pretty quickly. she's ordered trump to respond by monday. the 11th circuit proceeding will take a little bit longer. that appeal will be docketed, the court will order a briefing schedule, it can either be expedited, and the court could make it move pretty quickly, but the traditional briefing schedule is something that runs on for a couple of months before the case is ripe for a decision. so the time line there is pretty much an unknown at this point, mika. >> and mark, the doj in this new filing, and the appeal said effectively, we need to under these documents do not belong to donald trump so there is no privilege here. and your new piece in the washington examiner it seems with every new filing from the trump team we do learn more about the volume any w

joyce vance, former u.s.orney, thanks so much for your time and expertise this evening, we always appreciate you. >> thanks alex. >> still to come this hour, we will talk to the woman who beat sarah palin last night. mary peltola, who is set to become the first democrats represent alaska in the house and a half a century. and then, could democrats actually stand a chance of holding on to the senate and the house in november. are they allowed to even express that out loud? amy klobuchar will join me next to talk about the midterms, trump's latest legal woes, and her latest trip to ukraine. stick around. k around i would say that to me an important aspect is too... meta portal with smart sound. helps reduce your background noise. bring that sense of calm, really... so you come through, loud and clear. meta portal. the smart video calling device that makes work from home work for you. nurtec odt is the only medication that can treat my migraine right when it strikes and prevent my next attack. don't take if alle

attorney joyce vance, she's an msnbc legal analyst. of the court proceedings yesterday, the potential for a more detailed list to be -- i sometimes feel like the trump team should stop asking for things because they'll get it. and, you know, it won't be good. but then again, maybe not. what is the potential here that these documents are just like overdue library books? >> right. so, i think we can dismiss that notion. there is nothing here that is like an overdue library book. this is an extraordinarily serious situation. and this photo that doj attached to its response in the case that trump ill-advisedly filed is litly worth a thousand words. because what you have in that picture is photographs of highly classified documents. this is the sort of photograph that the fbi takes to document its evidence and yet it copt just take a photo and release it. it had to put cover sheets from front of all of those documents to block out classified portions of information that were simply lying in drawers and cardboard boxes at mar-a-lago. so no o

attorney, joyce vance. she's an msnbc legal analyst. good to have you both. perri, just give us the latest in terms of process now. we understand what the judge has said and is indicating he's interested in, but does he fullout ask for these things or what happens next? >> so so far he hasn't specifically asked the trump team to answer any of these questions that i know have made the headlines, but he did say that by friday, they have to kind of select a vendor, which would be the third party that uploads all of these documents, so that they can -- both parties can view them and the special master can settle any disagreements about privilege. that's the first step, so that suggests it's moving along. and by early next week, the justice department said that they could hand over all the nonclassified documents in their proper format to be reviewed. >> so, joyce, what do you make of what the special master has sort of put out there, not making a ruling or anything like that, but certainly, it appears the trump attorneys were a little taken aback by what he's int

joyce vance, former u.s.attorney, thanks so much for your time and expertise this evening, we've always appreciate you. >> thanks alex. >> still to come this hour, we will talk to the woman who beat sarah palin last night. mary peltola, who is set to become the first democrats represent alaska in the house and a half a century. and then, could democrats actually stand a chance of holding on to the senate and the house in november. are they allowed to even express hideouts allowed? amy klobuchar will join me next to talk about the midterms, trump's latest legal woes, and her latest trip to ukraine. stick around. stick around - [narrator] the future. the way you see it is said to depend on where you sit. at x-chair, we think it also gets down to how you sit, which is why our technology is lightyears ahead. x-chair has done it again with our groundbreaking elemax technology, providing hours of infinite comfort no matter where in the world you're sitting by synthesizing the universe's elements, bringing hot, cold

joyce, we have information into the timeline of this case.non -- she also directed directly to prioritize the document review. translate this for us. how much time are we looking at here? how fast this move or the review drag beyond november midterms? >> at this point, we don't know. this is largely in the hands of judged erie. special master dairy, now, complicating factor of the government's appeal only as regards to the classified documents in this big a massive 11,000 or so documents, the government's appeal, which may end up seeing parts of that situation resolve by three judges in atlanta. a lot of complicating factors. there are some folks who believe that it is judge diaries reputation for being relatively slow to move his cases that played a role in team trump's recommendation that he be selected with the special master. the case is pretty clear. this is a sort of straightforward cut through the document. trump's alleged attorney client privilege, instance those documents clearly aren't, that should be pretty straightforward. by the

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joining us is the former united states attorney joyce vance.an msnbc legal analyst and the co-host of the sisters and law podcasts. good morning to both of. you thank you for being with us, representative plastic, i want to start with. you in all of that, a lot of stuff we just talked about, the thing that stands out to me is we have a very important election coming up on november 8th, in which democracy itself, whether it's through voting rights or election denial or through abortion rights, is on the ballot. yet, the january six committee says it's not ready to hand over its long homework to get department of justice just yet. can you explain to me why not, and what the significance of that is? >> i think the january six committee is still collecting evidence. we've saw that they went to the courts in california, looking for additional documents, additional emails. so what i think they would like to do is have all their information gathered before they do a preliminary report. as you've heard this week, each one of the members in different, v