they've discuss this to cnn contributor scary champion, and kara swisher. ng with you here, look, must calls himself a free speech absolutist, but the problem is, this is not the first time he has used his own platform to amplify these hate messages. when is this going to, actually, have an impact? this is in business, after all. >> it is having an impact. the woman -- >> zachary, no sorry. she is having trouble right now, dealing with advertisers. she's been going on, trying to get more, ads trying to improve the business, and does this all the time, he just can't seem to help himself. it's the issue, he can't stop. now, sometimes, people misspeak online. sometimes to make mistakes, look, everyone is a little emotional, and people have said stupid things, or got an overrun, et cetera, that makes sense given the stakes that are happening here, and the difficulties of watching a lot of this. but in this case, it is a consistent behavior for him to do this, and not just for a short time. then, everybody is surprised he does it. i don't know what to say. this i

>> we will have much, much more from kara swisher in a moment.he issue here is about more than who comes out on top in a corporate power struggle. this is a battle between those who want to put the brakes on a.i., who warned that it is dangerous, and those who say no, it could improve our lives in advances from everything from science to medicine to art to the movies we watch and the music we listen to. a song that uses artificial intelligence could copy the drake and the weekend, remember that went viral a few months ago. an ominous tiktok users claim to have used a i degenerate that song. it appears the artists themselves had nothing to do with it. listen to this. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> coming up we'll talk to a legendary producer and dj pete rock and music executive enforcement. but the big question in all of this, who wins the battle over artificial intelligence and what millet mean for all of us? i want to bring in the person at the very forefront on sam altman and openai, cnn contributor and host of the pivot and on podcast, kara swisher. my friend, i am

here to discuss this is kara champion and kara swisher. kara, starting with you here, musk calls himself a free speech absolutist, but the problem is this is not the first time he's use his own platform to amplify these hate messages. when is this going to actually have an impact? this is a business after all. >> well, it is having an impact, and i'm sure linda -- the woman. >> yak orino. >> sorry, is having trouble be advertisers. getting ads, getting business, and then he does this. he can't help himself. sometimes people speak online, make mistakes, everyone's a little emotional and people have said stupid things and that makes sense given the stakes that are happening here and the difficulty of watching a lot of this, but in this case, it's a consistent behavior of him to do this and not just for a short time, and then everybody's surprised that he does it. and so i don't know what to say. this is what he likes to do. he wants to create controversy. he wants to create attention to himself. he's an attention sponge, and he's saying repre

kara swisher joins me live. new details tonight on the shooting of three palestinian college students in vermont. what the suspect told police. derek chauvin, remember him, the former officer convicted inside of george floyd's killing. he is stabbed inside of prison, his attorney will join me. >>> elon musk getting a -- which may surprise you, if you recall, just recently he raised more than a few eyebrows promoting an antisemitic conspiracy theory on acts. but that did not seem to stop israeli officials, including prime minister netanyahu, from rolling out a kind of welcome mat. johnny manages, gazan cnn contributor curve swisher, host of the podcast on and pivot. kara, first of all, what was he doing in israel today? >> well, he has applied private plane he can go anywhere he wants. he was trying to do some fixing of the problems he's having for the past couple of weeks from the promotion of those antisemitic tweets. i think it caused a lot more consternation among advertisers and he, thought so he's trying to

i'm going to talk to kara swisher, who knows this story inside and out. and just talked to the microsoft ceo who hired altman. >> every technology ever invented was a tool and a weapon. how can you make sure that the use of the tools gets propagated and the weapons not so much? >> we'll have much more in a moment. but the issue here is more than who comes out on top in a important power struggle. there's some that say it can improve our lives with advances from science to medicine to art to the movies we watch and the usic we listen to. a song where artificial intelligence copied the voice of drake. an anonymous tiktoker used a.i. to generate that song. and the artists themselves had nothing to do with it. listen to this. ♪ >> coming up, we talk to legendary producer, pete rock and ian schwartzman. who wins the battle over artificial intelligence? and what does it mean for all of us? i want to bring in the person on the front of the reporting of sam altman. cnn contributor and host of "the pivot". kara swisher. you must have whiplash. you interviewed the

kara swisher joining us with the latest reporting. she's with us next. >>> we are getting breaking news about the firing of former openai chief sam altman and what is happening now at the parent company of chatgpt. we want to get straight to cnn media analyst kara swisher who joins us. she's also the host of the on podcast and pivot. kara, this is extraordinary breaking news. what can you tell us? >> yeah, well, there's a letter that just was given to the board of openai which did this firing and then backtracked on a reunion with sam altman yesterday. 505 of its 700 employees want the board to resign and that's just 5:55 in the morning in california. so i assume almost all of them will be signing that letter. it was just sent to the board calling them essentially incompetent. >> let's read part of it. by the way, we printed out 12 pages, i'm just trying to show people. most of the pages are just their signatures here of all the people by name and it reads, here is what i was talking about, your actions have made it obvious that you a

. >> and kara swisher hosts of the podcast and co-host of pivot podcast. this is a mess. talking to sources all weekend close to this. >> yeah. >> tell us where things stand now and step back and give us the context what it means for a.i. more broadly? >> stepped away from my phone five seconds and don't know what's happening right now. the employees this morning, i reported, had gotten together, writ an letter saying the board was incompetent and going to leave and work for microsoft if they didn't step down and bring in a new board and bring back sam and also a guy named greg brockman, who left with sam amp he was fired. so i don't know where it stands. microsoft will create a new division. certainly has an investment in openai but doesn't have to give it all its money if it doesn't keep up with commitments and it's really hard if 500, 600 people of a 750-person staff leave a company to keep its commitments. it's in a crisis and this board has to step down. i don't think it has any other choice. >> with that change, would it change anything? if the board changed down? a

altman wanted to push more aggressively, the board more cautiously according to kara swisher. >> it was nonsense. i called it a goat rodeo. it was a waste of time and i think that he was moving faster than they liked and so they did this dramatic thing. i at the felt like there was nine other ways do this. >> and openai is the leading artificial intelligence company, they built chatgpt. and bill gates says the development of ai is as fundamental to the creation of the personal computer, the internet and mobile phone. the vision of the person at the top of openai will steer the technology's future and that is sam altman and here is what he said just this summer. >> no one person should be trusted here. i don't have super voting shares like i don't want them. the board can fire me. i think that is important. i think the board over time needs to get like democratized to all of humanity. if it really works, it is a powerful technology and you should not trust one company and certainly not one person with it. >> and ai already changing your life, your society, of jobs. >> it is going to chan

joining us now cnn contributor kara swisher. good to have you with us this morning. i guess he got the chuckle on the second he was looking for in that statement. >> i guess. >> it's fascinating to me, though, as we watch this, right, and he's there on the stage, and he seems to really be enjoying the moment, we have this estimate that from t"the new yok ti times", i believe, that he's going to lose $75 million in revenue. and he's sort of saying, fine, we don't need you. but the business itself needs them, and they're going away because of what he did. >> yes, yes, he's -- let me just underscore for the audience, he's 52 years old. this is a 52-year-old man who feels the need to say dirty words to make people shocked. it's just -- it's bizarre and he caused the problem, and he wants to blame them for exercising their first amendment right not to advertise on his terrible platform, i think. it's really bizarre. it was a bizarre performance. it was a meltdown. he seemed -- he attacked bob iger who was in the audience, the head of disney for just not wanting to adverti

kara swisher. she sw is with us next. >>> a landslide in alaska. at at least three have died, three others are missing after the mud and debris slid across a highway in a remote community on monday. it's actually believed three dozen people have been displaced. officials blame that landslide on heavy rain and 80-mile-per-hour winds. stay with us. we'll be right back. >>> welcome back. another twist in the sam altman saga at openai, days after the board fired him, allowing him and some key deputies to be hired by microsoft, he is back at the top of openai. >> the company reached an agreement to rehire altman and has met demands to revamp the board of directors. cara swisher joining us now. she's the host of the pivot podcast. you called it. you saw this coming. you were reporting it was coming. the fact that we are in this place this morning, sam altman coming back, a new board, what does it mean? >> it's kind of a new board. one of the old board members who was a facebook executive is still on it. they brought in brett taylor, the chairman of twitt

. >> reporter: around the coffee table this morning, podcaster, kara swisher, editor of the dispatch, and los angeles times columnist jonah gold berng. "new york times" journalist and podcast host lulu garcia-navarro, and reihan salam, president of the manhattan institute and contributing editor of "the national review." kara, would a second trump term be dangerous? >> yes, i think what he is saying is dangerous, in terms of vermin and others and pretty obvious and doing the revenge tour right now, the things he is going to do. and sort of trying to making a list and taking names and it feels the end of "godfather 2" and it feels like i'm going to take everybody out. i don't know if he can do it. but it certainly is unusual for a presidential candidate to use terms like vermin and others, and others not to be completely horrified by that term, which is so loaded. >> reihan, more than the rettic, i think it is the reports, it is isn't just reporting, because trump is saying this outloud, when he talks about weaponizing the justice department and when he talks about mass deportation. ar

direct me now is kara swisher -- carrot, your favorite topic, he looked mosque losing -- >> happy thanksgivingpy thanksgiving to you. he's leaving -- losing more advertisers than a business professor at yale. he says elon musk shouldn't have and it he says it is sufficient for any appetizer to be associated with him. it's pathological. pathological, kara? >> i think jeffrey is like that. that something jeffrey would do, he is quite passionate. he's been doing all kinds of different boycotts and things like, that ukraine and things that with russia. that's typical of him. you know, appetizers can choose. if they can't make money on that side, they should be on it, i guess. if they don't mind some of the toxicity. i think cheech and chong are doing well with their wheat business there. but i think big appetite are worried about being placed by bad content and the general toxicity of the site. x it is pushing back very hard, saying not a lot of people, these reports from media matters, who there are so, and are not true. they're pushing back on the stuff. but every brand has to decide if they fee

. >> our friend, kara swisher, posted a list of infamous anti-semites and wrote, there's no genius that -- this toxic anti-semitic nonsense. this isn't the first time we've seen elon musk post things like this, amplify conspiracies like this, especially about jewish people. i mean, do you think that he has gotten away with it for so long because of who he is? >> i'm not actually sure why he's gotten away with it to be quite honest. he has posted some of the most conspiratorial, deranged, unhinged rhetoric and conspiracy theories on x. and advertisers have quite frankly -- they've been silent for a long time. i mean, earlier this year he was attacking george soros, a man of jewish assent and has been attacked for that. he wrote on twitter at the time that george soros wants to, quote, erode the fabric of civilization. soros hates humanity. >> and also this huge fight with the adl. >> he smeared the adl, demonized the adl, really threatened them in a number of ways for just pointing out that hate speech has risen on the platform since taking over. finding that a lot of other groups have c

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>> it's really weird but then kara swisher is doing some reporting on this and says that, remember, if terms of the contract it can walk, which i think she means microsoft can walk did they not actually spend $13 billion? >> they haven't spent all the money. it's not just cash either. it's a deal valued a the that m -- at that much they're doing crowd credits for open ai that might get to that $10 billion valuation. we don't know the details of this there's certain milestones and things like that they have to reach in order to lure more investment from microsoft. so it's very feasible. we don't know for sure, but it's feasible you can imagine a scenario where microsoft says we've gone as far as we can with this relationship, we're moving it all in house. but for now all these products we keep hearing microsoft talk about, they're built on open ai. they rely on open ai, with all this turmoil you start to question can they move as quickly as maybe they were planning to. does their 2024 product road map look the same as it did four or five days ago, probably not with all this turmoil goin