thank you so much for joining us great to see you >> you, too. >> kate kelly of "the new york times., i mean, this is -- >> the optics are awful. >> terrible. >> you understand why people get -- it's both sides of the aisle, neither are immune from -- they should be ridiculed for it again, nothing illegal, that we know about, right? but it's flat-out wrong. and whether it's rule or not, you should be able to stand up and say, listen, i understand that i'm allowed to do this, but the -- i understand the optics are awful, i'm not going to do it but go back -- remember robert caplan, dallas fed, eric ro rosengrant, they were fed officials, those cats were trading stocks and we got exercised about that, i mean, it goes all across -- all different areas of government >> if you work on wall street, you wouldn't be able to trade stock -- do you own single stocks >> no. >> you have to be in a blind trust or a fund that you have zero control over. so, why should they have any different? why do they go in, not millionaires, and come out millionaires i mean, has anyone ever thought about that w