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this is not the first time i hurt a version of that statement from katie miller. that goes to show the thinking that went into this policy, sore lack thereof. this is not something done with the best interests of children in mind, this is done from a political perspective. what i've come to learn, there's so many heroes fighting back against people with the attitude like katie miller. the idea you that don't need a little havana. the president is on the ground in florida today. ask the people of little havana, what katie miller had to say, representing the vice president of the united states as the communications director for him. >> jacob, how many children are separated, do we know? >> we know, andrea, and i learned from the aclu, if it were not for the lawsuit, that 5400 children separated and it may not have happened. these children may still be separated from their children. and the original 2800 from zero tolerance policy are for the most part accounted for, for the 1,000 separated from parents is very hard to track them down because of shoddy record keeping

katie miller told jacob, quote, my family and colleagues told me that when i have kids i will think about the separations differently. i don't think so. homeland security sent me to the border to see the separations myself to try to make me more compassionate, but it didn't work. jacob responds, it didn't work? i will never forget what i saw. seriously. are you awhite nationalist? he asked, exasperated, no, but i believe if you come to america, you should asimulate, why do we need to have like little havana? that was katie miller in the throws of the national up roar over this government prying kids out of their parents arms. today, she has a new job. today, she is the press secretary for the vice president of the united states. and in charge of all communications on coronavirus for the federal coronavirus task force. as the nation continues to blunder murderously through the worst coronavirus epidemic on earth. 10s of thousands of cases a day. it's helpful to remember who was at the wheel here, and where was the last business crisis they got their training. make that new good book, not j

how about katie miller? she was spokesperson at dhs during the family separation crisis., unwavering defender of what we were doing. here's how jacob soboroff recalls a conversation with her in his new book, previously unreported but in jacob's new book. katie miller told jacob soboroff, quote, my family and colleagues told me that when i have kids, i'll think about the separations differently, but i don't think so. homeland security sent me to the border to see the separations for myself, to try to make me more compassionate, but it didn't work, end quote. jacob responds, quote, it didn't work? i will never forget what i saw. seriously. are you a white nationalist, he asked, exasperated? no, she said. but i believe if you come to america, you should assimilate. why do we need to have, like, little havana? that was katie miller in the throes of the national uproar over this government prying kids out of their parents' arms. today she has a new job. today she is the press secretary for the vice president of the united states in charge of all communications on coronavirus f

an exchange between and you katie miller a spokesperson for vice president partnerships and wife of stevene when i have kids i will think about the separations differently. i don't think so. dhs sent me to the borders to see the separations myself and it didn't work. she says, i believe if you come to america you should assimilate. why do we need to have little havana. i wonder what this exchange tells but the agenda that is driving these policies. >> they said it right there. why do you need to assimilate? it is a lack of compassion. an admitted lack of compassion for people who come to this country in order the seek not just a better life but refuge from. so of the most dangerous conditions and places on this planet. so when katie miller through kalee mcenany the white house press secretary denies she said this as described in the book remember this is the same katie millier what was part of the kirstjen nielsen department of homeland security and denied it existed. even though we are looking at photos her own department released. she admitted it her sez selves. other sources said she sa

then on friday, we found out that katie miller, the spokeswoman for vice president mike pence, testedositive. this is super serious. katie miller "has attended nearly all of the white house coronavirus task force meetings" in the situation room. which they've now temporarily re-christened the incubation room. plus, three of the most high- profile members of the coronavirus task force, including anthony fauci, will be in self-quarantine for two weeks. no! dr. fauci, we need you. if you're not around, all the health decisions are going to be made by jared kushner, the mypillow guy, and william barr in a sexy nurse costume. some white house officials are getting worried, like economic adviser to the president and former child actor trying to sell you a timeshare, kevin hasset. on sunday, hassett said this on cbs' nation face. >> it is scary to go to work. you know, i-- i was not part of the white house in march. i think that i'd be a lot safer if i was sitting at home than i would be going to the west wing. >> stephen: really? you work in the most tested place in the world and you're sca

katy waldman, now katy miller, said the same thing. they hope that the family separation policy would be so hard for people to see, members of congress, for people to -- a member of congress to see they would have to change the laws to stop two things, one, what i called the trafficking victims protection reauthorization ability, and the ability to immediately deport -- sorry -- the able to hold families indefinitely together in family detention, that's called those quote uncope loophold they aloud migrant families to come interest the country and be lee leased into the interior was described as catch and release. they all along wanted to end catch and release. stephen miller said it on the campaign, he said it in 2016 in a ballroom in colorado. >> tell me but your first experience encountering stephen miller. what i like about the book there were moments that reminded me of 2016 in a way -- you saw it from different perspective than it did. was in the middle of it every single day and your parachute inside. so while stephen miller has

one and they were the goals of the trump administration during the family separation policy and katie miller then katie waldman and told me at the time that the reason they were separating people was to scare congress into acting to force some of these changes. that didn't happen then but the trump administration is doing it now during the coronavirus. >> and going back to family separation, all this has to do with the settlement which is at the root of a policy fix that congress and nobody seems to -- the courts have been forcing this for how long? and essentially we have been sitting in this legal limbo for how long? >> reporter: right. to remind everybody, the settlement agreement mandates that the united states government release children, migrant children in their custody within 20 days. because that amount of time is suitable for finding them a sponsor or releasing them together with their families. in fairness, the obama administration also wanted to get around the settlement agreement and when you talk to activists and lawyers tell you that they battled the obama administration, as w

. >> you spoke with katie miller, who, of course, part of the trump administration, married to stephen architecture of this. she made comments to you many thought were offensive. walk us through that and the white house response? >> the truth of the matter is katy tur and myself were out to dinner with katie miller, a source dinner, talking to her about what she was working with at the time for homeland security. what she told us was she was sent to the border to become more compassionate because she wasn't. read in the book exactly what she said to us. she said, it didn't work. i said, it didn't work? i said, are you a white nationalist? she said, no, but i believe if you can to america you should simulate. why do we have little havana. i didn't know what to say. what do you say when someone in a position of power saying someone like that to you. what it says to me, what i took away from it is that is the underlying intention of people in this administration. it's not to deter immigration, fix the immigration system it's the words she said. she didn't just say it to me but katy tur an

real-time including commander jonathan white who stephen miller, now follow me here, now wife katie milleressured to lie under oath in front of congress according to sources in the room at an infamous meeting which i write the book. i saw this systematic torture campaign in the words of the nobel peace prize winning organization with my own eyes, yet so much happened that i couldn't understand. i didn't understand in real-time. how was this happening in the united states of america? it is why i call the book separated inside, an american tragedy. that's what this was. were it not for many courageous people inside the administration, this could have been far, far worse. >> yeah. you shine a light on the people whose lives are affected, the immigrant communities, but also how this sausage gets made in washington, and particularly the trump era which is important to understand. a lot of stories. we've obviously focused on health, economics, protests. you've been on this beat for a long time. one more time, the book is separated, inside an american tragedy. i appreciate you taking time on "the

specifically some of the very same people that were involved in the family separation drama, including katie millerow communications director for the vice president of the united states but then the chief spokesperson on this issue for the department of homeland security. people within the department of health and human services as well. they were part of the botched effort to reunite separated families. i always said there was never a plan. the truth is there was a plan to reunite families. there were people who tried to do it and were prevented by the trump administration. it's almost like you could tell that same story for the failure to contain the coronavirus and it is all right there in the book. >> jacob, thank you so much for joining us. the book is "separated: inside an american tragedy." book is "e the american tragedy." jacob, it is a pleasure to have you here and help you with your reporting in every way you can. >>> when we come back, mary trump is prohibited by speaking up by judge's order. i am totally blind. and non-24 can make me show up too early... or too late. or make me feel li

specifically some of the very same people that were involved in the family separation drama including katie millerresident of the united states but then the chief spokesperson on this issue for the department of homeland security. people within the department of health and human services as well they were part of the effort to reunite separated families. the truth is there was a plan to reunite families. there were prevented by the trump administration, and it's almost leak you could tell that exact same story about preparations for and failure to contain the coronavirus, and it's all right there in the book. >> jacob soboroff, thank you very much for joining us. the book is "separated, inside an american tragedy." i'm trying to get it in the frame there. jacob, it is just an honor to work with you here and help deliver your reporting in every way that we can. thank you very much, jacob. >> thank you, my friend. thanks, lawrence. >> thank you. >>> and when we come back, mary trump is currently prohibited from speaking out by a judge's order, and so one of her best friends, lifetime friend is going

embarrassed the trump administration appointed him to the position and katie walletman who is now katie miller was angry with him because this list had leaked. he basically went around the office saying why we've this? do we have to keep it? that went further into another meeting. trickled down to the staff at orr who interpreted this as an order to get rid of the list. and because these career staffers who had the best interests of the children in mind did not get rid of the list, you avoid a potentially catastrophic situation of destroying what i call in the book a critical linkage between the parents and children. >> when -- when all this is over, there are going to be 100 and 1,000 and 10,000 stories like this that are going to come out. it's just -- we already know a lot of them. but -- but what has gone on, the "the 11th hour" with brian williams starts now. >>> well, good evening once again. day 1,267 of this trump administration. that leaves 117 days to go until the presidential election. over 800 of our fellow citizens died of the coronavirus just today.

colleague, jacob soboroff, who has just written a book, and he describes a conversation he had with katie millerunications staffers for the vice president. at the time, she was working for dhs. i'm going to read it to you and would like to get your reaction. she said my family and colleagues told me that when i have kids, i think i'll think about the separations differently in talking about the separations at the border. but i don't think so, she said. dhs sent me to the border to see the separations for myself to try to make me more compassionate, but it didn't work. it didn't work, jacob asked? i'll never forget what i saw. serious la, are you a white nationalist. she responds, no, but i believe if you come to america, you should assimilate. why do we need to have little havana? that comment has gotten a lot of reaction from lawmakers in miami and around south florida and a lot of reaction from some op-ed pages out there. i wonder what your reaction is. >> listen, we're very proud of having a little havana. we also have a little haiti which is something when i was a commissioner, we enacted as

miller. anyway, back to you, katy. >> that's true. that's true. en miller was on jeff sessions senate team, and miller, hard line immigration hawk before he joined the trump administration came over and basically put structure around what trump wanted to do with immigration. chuck, let's bring in nbc news reporter, dasha burns in montgomery, alabama, another southern state experiencing a surge in cases and hospitalizations. the governor there just issued an order requiring people to wear a face covering when in public and in close contact with other people. so dwhat's been happening down there? >> reporter: i have been talking to doctors all day. i have been having some heartbreaking conversations. they say the situation here is dire. they're exhausted, they're emotional, and right now, they don't really see a light at the end of the tunnel. they tell me this mask order could not have come soon enough, and the governor in explaining that order at her press conference said that the numbers do not lie, and the numbers here in alabama are pretty stagg

katie prescott, bbc news. now it's time for a look at the weather with nick miller. hello,. it will turn try and clear overnight as the rain moves south into southern england and east anglia and they will be heavy bursts developing through the night as well, still fringing into bouts of the midlands. a few showers in northern scotland but much of northern ireland, scotla nd but much of northern ireland, scotland and northern england and wales looking drier. cooler but my gear where we have the cloud and rain to the south, which lingers on into the morning, the cloud holding on into south—east england and east anglia, even into the afternoon, still the chance of patchy rain as the afternoon and is, in parts of kent. elsewhere, plenty of sunshine on the way, showers dotted through scotland, they could be the heavy one. still breezy but not as breezy as it was today. as for the temperatures, reallyjust as it was today. as for the temperatures, really just in as it was today. as for the temperatures, reallyjust in the high teens where it has been so warm and muggy to the south,