oh, commissioner keane asia to 7 mr. chair, i would propose that were it is the grand jury is asking us to we provide written information as does every other city department in all of the other major languages that is also done by other city departments in the draft proposal we disagree and will not do this it is an unwanted search and been determined the demands for such services is zero pressor i find that had a right to building in the city of san francisco where every other city department we're told provides those information we're saying in terms of what we're doing what we're doing is insignificant and people speaking other languages don't connect about it we should provide the information in those languages. i would change our recommendation that the ethics commission shall make the materials available in other languages as in other city departments. >> other commissions from the commissioners. i did have questions as well. recommendation 7 in particular what the form is that the demand is zero? there's 3 differe

i concur with what you said commissioner keane as well. is there a motion to adapt finding and recommendation 13 as amended by is commissioner keane >> so moved. public comment? >> commissioners ray director from san francisco open government i agree with commissioner keane we can't disclosure this because it might ask other to violate a law obviously if you can't disclose something but the page 9 the categories non-exempt are one person who takes the public funds and so forth and i'm looking the case we had at the f pc at the city librarian there is absolutely nothing to prohibit putting open the ethics commission website he was found to have pursue injured himself and he admitted that the $5,000 a year from the friends and filed a statement saying he got nothing from the friends. and he filed amended statements that's all public record we're not disclosing anything that is personal or confidential things so we want the public to know a public official broke the law and did see time he was and government guide i think there's a general co

>> yes. >> commissioner keane. in regards to number 19 i don't have any quarrel it should be implemented the recommendation of the grand jury should be pledged and will be implemented, however, just as a point of information and since we have the members of the grand jury here i do want to ask about the assertion or the allegation in 19 in at least one instance the ethics commission inappropriately interpreted to grant a restriction waiver i made that assertion there's language but united states staff there's a disagreement what are you, you talking about >> the woman that negotiated the arrangements on behalf of the city for the benefits of the america's cup was granted a waiver from posted employment restrictions to work in a leadership position for america's cup. >> and . >> on grounds it would be - it was like an important career movement that she would not be able to take this was also a situation where a number of the benefits for america's cup were being negotiated with rec and park and the chair of the rec

that i see there would be probably not an effect >> all in favor of the motion made i commissioner keane. >> i. >> i. >> opposed. hearing none the motion passes. >> can we take 14 and 15 together that is they relate to one seven hundred any questions or comments related. >> commissioner keane. >> yes. my comments are to 14. in regard my disagreement with our proposed nation. it is has to do with recommendation 14 b of the grand jury that says the ethics commission should recommendation dismissal who fails to file 90 days after the deadline we proposed it not be implement if so outside of the ethics commission jurisdiction under the state law only the f p pc can conduct enforcement matters regarding form seven hundred this is not an enforcement matter to recommend something we don't have the power to enforce anything unless a person fails to file in 90 days we recommend they be dismissed our recommendation maybe go forward in many instances so the reason we can't do this we will be conducting enforcement that's not enforcement recommendation is not enforcement so the reason didn't make se

commissioner keane >> yes. mr. chair for the language on page 16 recommendation 25 in the middle of the paragraph the director notes i'd change that to the commission notes. >> anything else? i would - i have a couple of amendments on 24 on the recommendation it is sort of seems like it's not responding to the recommendation i mean that be directed to the mayor and the board of supervisors if that he direct it to the to court we should provide it to them but it is nonresponsive as written in my view. i would propose an amendment in the mayor or board makes a request i ask we comply with it. on 25 the recommendation i mean, i think to see what commissioner keanes comments that is sort of apple pie here, of course, if we had the resources shouldn't we do the things that be suggested in recommendation 25? and so i would change the recommendation to say provide with sufficient resources the commission could and would do the work - do more work as indicated by the findings of something to the effect. any comments from t

. >> commissioner keane who do i think we should recommend it to? >> i think in regard to the particular officer that's involved we would look to see in the chapter and the ruling law which would be the appropriate body that could remove that person. whether it would be the board of supervisors or the mayor or whether it would be the head of some department and whoever the appropriate officer or body was that 0 could remove that person we make the recommendation to that individual or body >> so i'm not against sending something to the appointing officer or the entity that has the power to remove i'm not sure in every case someone that fails to meet the deadline of 90 days should be removed from office. so i propose modifying commissioner keanes amendment to perhaps notify the officer or appointing body to this person has failed to file after 90 days. in my mind first of all, i'd like to make the recommendation i'm also comfortable with maybe not always dismissals >> let me take our language mr. chair you wouldn't be comfortable with automatically di

commissioner keane my esteem went up for you again. thank you for adding all three recommendations to your amended motion. i think the point of those would be to start sending a signal to other city departments that they had better start complying with the sunshine ordinance. to that extent it should be a unanimous four person vote to up hold your motion tonight sir. i really, really am disturbed by mr. pilpel's behavior. i'll be amending that complaint and i am hoping commissioner keane that you will have the wherewithal during the agenda setting topic tonight to recommend that a public hearing on mr. pilpel's sia violation be expedited and put on your next commission meeting. >> any other public comment? >> commissioners, directors of san francisco and [inaudible] open government and i would like to say will. >> back to my general comment and regarding the things with the new members. frankly i think asking a question what good is it going to do to do this is rather transparent, but what it's supposed to do is get people to follow th

is there a motion to amend 24, 25 as proposed by commissioner keane and commissioner hur? >> yes. so moved. >> second. >> second. public comment? >> a couple of comments on 24 t it is where the grand jury made a recommendation go you should be doing an annual report to the board of supervisors. i want to talk about that part. remember commissioner keane talked about it earlier you're also kind of the example of what should be happening in showing what good government it ethnics is incredibly important to the citizens they don't get a chance to hear the represents voted often and on the state and local level the citizens don't get any kind of report on what that means if >> saying let the board of supervisors excuse and we will give a report remember it's a in the chapter to do an annual report that is helpful to the public here are the requirements those are new and those are not new andtolysis will the one pending it could be an important part of the legislation i would ask you to do an unanimous report we know find nothing that was recorded to the board of supervisors in terms o

we'll discuss options with jack keane. is washington ready to go back to war? we'll ask senator john mccain. plus, does the president's changing tone on isis signal a change on policy? >> we will be vigilant and relentless. >> our sunday group weighs in. >>> then accusations of bias from both sides in that ferguson, missouri, police shooting. conservative leader ben carson and the reverend jesse jackson will debate the mistrust in the black community towards the police. carson and jackson, only on "fox news sunday." >>> and our power player of the week. i get up close and personal with washington's most adorable celebrity, the giant panda cub bao bao. all right now on "fox news sunday." >>> hello again from fox news in washington. stunning developments in iraq this week. the savage beheading of an american journalist. and now the president's top advisers talking about a dramatic escalation in our fight against isis. we want to drill down into what may become a new american war in the middle east. retired four star general jack keane will lay out what it will ta

oh, commissioner keane asia to 7 mr. chair, i would propose that were it is the grand jury is asking us to we provide written information as does every other city department in

>> thank you for your recounting and commissioner keane that helped me. i was going to come at this differently. would you treat this request the same way? how would you treat the request that came from mr. ringel? how would the department treat the request today? >> it's treaty similarly but since i have been appointed we made procedurally changes and added staff in my department to specifically target these types of public record -- well, all record requests really, and so we have a better procedure in place to identify those planner who is are involved with processing materials so in fact -- for example ben fu and don louis were not the only two planners working on the case but the primary respondents to the records request so as part of that some of the records other than not provided to him because they were not in their possession but of other planners. >> so you're developing the pot cols but seems there are changes you're making in the department. >> there are draftic changes we're making. i am changing the metric policies and it will be brought t

hearing none i will commissioner keane you made some strong comments you disagreed with some of the staff recommendations so i guess we'll start with the recommendation in response to the finding and recommendation number one. do you or any other commissioners have any comments suggested changes? >> i have yes mr. chair yes and go ahead. >> the finding is that the ethics commission the finding by the grand jury is that the ethics commission lacks the resources to handle the major enforcement cases goes ton to include examples of misconduct. i mr. chair, i would strongly recommend that we not use the language in our response whereas, to that finding number one we say we disagree. and for one thing what we have been saying many times in regard to this commission and this commissions resources and the ability to handle many of the things we want to handle we are hamstrung because of the lack of resources. and in regard to where we respond to this finding it is almost like someone is living in a parallel world rather than addressing something different and what this commission has been saying

>> ray for open government i want to thank commissioner keane and commissioner andrews that is a typical defensive and thing that we find fault with the grand jury that way people will be sdrurlgd from looking at us i think the phrasing has to be carefully considered given the fact you're limited in resources everybody is limited in their resources nobody has as much as and would like the question is what do you do with the resources i go to commissioner hayons comments it's your policy to determine what the staff does with the resources. i'd like to see the question discussed especially, when we get into those matters is whether or not the resources you have could be relooked to respond more appropriating to some of the recommendations from the civil grand jury. in terms of you don't have to be doing badly to be doing better the question is not can we find justification for explaining away but taking what they've given us and implementing to whatever degree including reallocating the resources in that effort >> thomas again. first, i'm troubled by the chair of this commission not being

commissioner keane my esteem went up for you again. thank you for adding all three recommendations to your amended motion. i think the point of

retired four-star general jack keane will lay out of the battlefield. we'll hear from two leading senators, but first, white house foreign affairs correspondent wendell goler has the latest developments. wendell. >> chris, the president says there are several objectives in the iraq campaign and not all of them are under the control of the u.s. and its allies. the first is to defend the u.s. consulate in erbil where there are several hundred marines and to stop the attack on refugees from sinjar mountain. there are artillery pieces firing at civilians. mr. obama says the military is confident they can protect the refugees, but soon enough, they'll have to form a corridor to get tens of thousands of refugees safely off the mountain. >> the next step, which is going to be complicated logistically is how do we give safe passage for people down from the mountain and where can we ultimately relocate them so that they're safe? that's the kind of coordination we need to do internationally. >> the president spoke with the leaders of germany, france, and britain

commissioner keane >> yeah. i wanted to echo what commissioner hayon said as well in regards to the report itself. i think the report is an excellent documents shows a lot of work work and the senator said it's highly readingable and very much a set of instructions that many of which we should follow in regards to the civil grand juries roll during the course of any career having been an assistant dpw department head of a depended for years there were two times my department was the topic of civil grand jury reports each time each department is looked at by the civil grand jury there are a couple of responses that sort of incity council's occur one the defenseness that automatically takes place their krisz us they're saying we're bad therefore we have to reopened in some way to show they're wrong. i think that that is a totally unproductive way to address something like the civil grand juries effort in my efforts in this situation that's not how i'm going to address it. in regard to some of the comments that wer

commissioner keane my esteem went up for you again. thank you for adding all three recommendations to your amended motion. i think the point of those would be to start sending a signal to other city departments that they had better start complying with the sunshine ordinance. to that

and general keane, i have the utmost respect for him. i think he's told me right about the banks and why it doesn't happen up until now, i think the president and his administration have been a state of almost denial. the president keeps talking about how he ended the war in i rack and tries to block iraq out of his mind and only now he's taking his last-ditch efforts in kurdistan. but i fully agree with general keane because the money they are getting, that's going to isis is for instance, the attacks cost maybe a couple thousand dollars, out of mosul alone, isis was able to grab over 400 million. we believe their assets are over a billion dollars right now. >> i want to go to this u now, in an article posted today on the atlantic. hillary clinton suggests that she finds president obama's approach to foreign policy oa y overly cautious. >> i certainly agree with secretary clinton on this, i think the president's not only oafly cautious, he's in denial and he has this belief that his goal is to always tell the american people what he's n