andy keller. he's also known as the bag monster.olluting our land and our water. well, now he's under attack. three plastic bag companies have taken him to court. amber lyon continues her investigation. >> reporter: one landfill. five minutes. 55 bags. most of them -- >> hilexpoly. >> the largest plastic bag maker [ junior ] i played professional basketball for 12 years. today i own 165 wendy's restaurants. and i get my financing from ge capital. but i also get stuff that goes way beyond banking. we not only lend people money, we help them save it. [ junior ] ge engineers found ways to cut my energy use. [ cheryl ] more efficient lighting helps junior stay open later... [ junior ] and serve more customers. so you're not just getting financial capital... [ cheryl ] you're also getting human capital. not just money. knowledge. [ junior ] ge capital. they're not just bankers... we're builders. [ junior ] ...and they've helped build my business. we're builders. fore! no matter what small business you are in, managing expenses seems to..

andy keller. he's also known as the bag monster.and our water. well, now he's under attack. three plastic bag companies have taken him to court. amber lyon continues her investigation. >> reporter: one landfill. five minutes. 55 bags. most of them -- >> hilexpoly. >> the largest plastic bag maker in the u.s. is one of three companies that have sued chicobag. andy keller's reusable bag company. >> we're recycling somewhere close to 70,000 pounds of post consumer bags, wraps, every day. >> reporter: hilexpoly's vice president gave us a tour of the company's plastic recycling plant in indiana. which it touts as the biggest in the world. daniel says many bags not recycled benefit consumers who reuse them. >> they use it for a trash can liner. one of the biggest reuses, cleaning up after a dog when you take it for a walk. >> reporter: keller has been a thorn in the company's side. in the lawsuit, hilexpoly accused keller of unsub stangtiastangunsubstan tyated statistics on its website. >> we thought this kind of false and misleading info

i got amazing care, amazing care. >> union bill keller would not be there forever. -- you know bill keller would not be there forever. what went through your head? >> well, a very nice thing was that when i arrived in the emergency room, bill was actually already there with my husband, so he is a terrific friend and a caring boss, as well. i certainly was not thinking about my job. i was just thinking, oh, my goodness, i have really made a mess here. >> how long been were you out of work? >> i was out of work for about nine weeks altogether, though a part of the time i was home, and even my last week in a hospital, bill keller figured that the best medicine for me would be a juicy story, and rupert murdoch had just bought "the wall street journal" and the dow jones, and from my rehab room, i was looking up everything we had done on rupert murdoch and talking to the reporters who were going to work on a big story about him, and he was right. it was a great spirit lifter and a great thing to focus on instead of myself. >> all right, later on in your book, you talk about tumbling 100 feet dow

i'm crockett keller. >> crockett keller paid $175 for six days worth of ad space on this radio station. so the ad is no longer airing but gone viral on the internet so people are still hearing it. >> if you are a devout muslim then you cannot be a true american. why should i arm these people to kill me? >> when you have freedom of speech people have the freedom to say this stuff. >> the freedom of speech and freedom of religion is in the same bill of rights. . >> i'm not going to do it. i would give up my life. >> the department of public safety said conduct by an instruct orthat denies service to individuals based on ethnicity or religion would place that license into suspension. he could lose his license. he could have to stop offering these classes t to people. washe and emergency crews were all on scene for a pretty dramatic rescue at the tidal basin in d.c. they are not rescuing a tourist, they are rescuing a deer. a deer got trapped in the tidal pool and deer can swim quite fine but the tidal pool walls are steep and he had no way to get out. if rescuers didn't get him out he wou

bill keller would have decided. he was out of the country at the time. the executive editor we usually make the call, but since he was gone, i did. >> who decides what the headline is? >> the headline writer brought a couple of headlines to me, and i remember just approving one of them, but i saw the headline before. >> and reporter has nothing to say about the headline? >> almost never. occasionally i will ask a reporter to look at a headline and make sure it is accurate. occasionally a headline to push a story further than the nuances take it. our headline writers are brilliant. >> i know you do not have any control over the colonists as an editorial can -- >> they do, i believe. they write both the headline and the back that sometimes runs in the middle. i think they all come up with their own. >> let me ask you a touchy question, i suspect. last sunday when we were recording this, there was a nice review in "the times" review section, written by alexander, who is, i assume billy's daughter. -- bill's daughter daughter. here it is. you are the exhibit

call crockett keller. if you're a voter for the campaigner in chief, don't take this class. proven you cannot make a knowledgeable and prudent decision required under the law. if you are a non-christian arab, muslim, i will not teach you the class. with no shame, i am crockett keller. >> bob: crockett, you proved yourself to be an idiot and redneck. you want to know i talk about rednecks, that is what i mean. it's not legal to run that ad. it's discriminatory ad on the airwaves and should not have been allowed to do it. we shouldn't have run it here. it's not our fault he ran the illegal ad. >> eric: you called for it. >> bob: i'm saying that he should not is been allowed to pay to broadcast that ad. we ran it here because we're not being paid to run it. >> greg: i don't think we should have done the story. it's a class for six people, the guy is an idiot. i doubt he does yoga. we know that. the employees don't celebrate martin luther king day. stupid story. >> andrea: which transcends politics on the right and left. >> bob: this is crockett -- >> eric: coming up next. $100

that keller would make the person wheeling up on in the chair not be able to be eye level. you cannot have it like that. you have to have a portion of the counter down level. it is 34 inches. i daresay most of the counters will not be that size if you have a business like that. however it may be. that is not what the normal business layout is. tables. there is a percentage based on the number of seats that have to be wheelchair-a accessible. they are required to be appropriately designated with a placard. you can get that any press run supply store. in place with commercial interiors can furnish you with those placards. you also have to have a sign out front that your business is wheelchair accessible. and various signing issues. each one of those things you do not have if someone must use to you is a separate claim. the statutory damages are $4,000. a person can come back three times and see three different wheelchair-accessibility issues, that is nine claims. the attorneys' fees are only recoverable -- only the plaintiff has the ability to get the attorneys' fees. if you

stalled big rig westbound 580 drive towards san leandro blocking right lane at keller.rea yet. we'll hopefully get that big rig out by the time your commute gets underway. golden gate bridge no fog, light traffic. same with the bay bridge no delay behind the tolls, metering lights off. abc7news.com/traffic for the latest. >>> the renovation of cal's football stadium has reached a small milestone. the last steel frames what will be the press box were lowered into police yesterday. they sit above the western side of the stadium the stadium as top a hayward fault. it is being rebuilt so it can move and shift during a quake. the work is scheduled to be completed in time for next year's football season >>> the number of mumps cases at uc berkeley rising, now 15 confirmed cases and 15 suspected cases. the mumps cases are up the lines are getting shorter. yesterday 750 people attended the second campus vaccination clinic. another clinic friday afternoon. officials say patient zero is the student who recently returned from europe. >>> new evidence that taking vitamin e pills ca

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honored at the national woman's hall of fame in seneca falls where women like rosa parks and helen keller are honored for their contributions to the country. >> i could not have anticipated it. i had big dreams to do service and worked in the community. i never thought of anything quite as significant as this honor. >> seneca falls is the inspiration for the town in the classic "it's a wonderful life." she is reaching that conclusion this weekend for her that it has been a wonderful life for this native. in seneca falls new york, debra wiener. >> debra will have reports throughout the weekend including her acceptance speech tomorrow evening. the first lady was caught on camera this week during one of her favorite things, shopping at target. michelle obama was photographed in sunglasses and a baseball cap shopping at a target in alexandria, virginia. the cashier was the only person who recognized her. aid to say she enjoys running errands and she did before she moved into the white house. experts say there was a political motive behind a shopping trip. >> it is great pr for them because th

first quarter, mark sanchez, complete to keller who did not enjoy those pair of hits, fumbled.utler going the other way walks in for a 50-yard touchdown, 7-0, san diego. third quarter in the red zone, sanchez to plaxico burress, for the second time today, they connected three times in the end zone, all for touchdowns. last seconds, 27-21 new york. phillip rivers on fourth down. he threw it away. forgot it was fourth down? or was that an elite sort of play. the jets get a victory. world series last night, albert pujols joined a rather exclusive club that includes babe ruth and reggie jackson, the only ones with three home runs in one world series game. it's game three in texas. we expected more offense with a designated hitter, but, wow, pugh, about to become a free agent. he will get paid like no other, home runs at 431 feet, 424 feet and 420 feet. also tied world series records with five hits and six runs driven in, all part of a 16-7 victory for the cards and st. louis took a 2-1 series lead. game four is tonight. also, ravens wrap-up, despite the fact the ravens don't play t

and dustin keller remembers how it felt a season ago when ray lewis got him then. he comes back and gets him again. maybe he remembered that hit he took a season ago. >> al: that would have been a triple sack. conley's punt. and it cannot be saved. touchback with 9:09 remaining. ♪ ♪oi matt the nfl experience of a high pressure field goal. ♪ ♪ [ crowd shouting car alarm blaring ] that's terrible, man! [ crowd ] booooooooo! [ male announcer ] there's an easier way to get an ultimate nfl fan experience. just snap the tag wherever bud light is sold and you could win. bud light and the nfl. here we go. hey, it gets easier. really? no. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] at&t and verizon charge you extra for going over 2 gigabytes of data. t-mobile slows down your data speed. with sprint you don't get charged extra and you don't slow down. and you get unlimited data, text and calling to any mobile -- for only $79.99. the best unlimited plan...wins. make the most of unlimited data with a brilliant screen on a pencil thin phone. introducing the samsung galaxy s ii epic 4g touch. troubl

and did that, working very happily for bill keller for about eight years and then was promoted to be excessive editor. tavis: there are a lot of people, as a matter of fact, i'm reminded of a joke which really is funny but had some serious points to be made in the telling of it. i remember a friend of mine years ago was telling me a joke about the fact that at the time american cities started to tank all of the african-american mayors started to pop up. things started to get so bad, you can have l.a. tom bradley. you can have chicago, harold washington. you can have newark. you can have cleveland. so what does it say given the turmoil that the newspaper industry is in that now we have the asovepks women and people of color -- ascension of women and people of color to the top. is this a good time or a bad time to be running the new york times? >> it is a good time. our future is very bright both in print and digitly. we have more readers than ever who have subscribed to the newspaper for two years or more and our audienceitig dally hasi remained very strongehi wle w have gone to pay a

that keller would make the person wheeling up on in the chair not be able to be eye chair not be able to be eye level.

and i would say something i'm very proud of and bill keller deserves a lot of credit as well as does our business editor is that we had extremely tough and probing coverage andealtime of the financial meltdown. we did a series called the reckoning and we did another deep investigative reporting by reporters like gretchen morgen son about all of the bad practices coming back and we're all over it now. and i think that the... some of the practices of wall street are now rightly being called into question and you're right that it's linked to a broader anger over the hollowing out of the middle-class and income disparity. >> people worrying that the future will not be as good as the past. >> right, that their kids are not... >> rose: that it won't be the world they kw. >> it's very disconcerting and troubling. many people are suffering. >> rose: thank you for coming. >> thank you for having me, charlie. st captioning sponsored by rose communicatis captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org tavis: good evening, from los angeles, i'm tavis smiley. first up, a conversation with

honored at the national women's hall of fame in seneca falls where women like rosa parks and helen kellerare honored for their valuable and indoor in contributions. >> i could not have -- indoor in contributions. >> i could not have anticipated it. i've never had anything significant as this honor. >> seneca falls is believed to be the inspiration for the town in frank capra's classic "it's a wonderful life." that is the conclusion barbara mikulski is reaching, it has been a wonderful life. >> deborah weiner will have reports throughout the weekend including her acceptance speech. >> looking for a way to unwind from a long day? coming up, the pain-relieving benefits of massage therapy. >> and, a quest to find a man of her dreams in "what is your number?" >> cool, moist weather is here for the weekend, we will tell you how long it >> now, your insta-weather-plus forecast. >> taking a look outside, the airport is the 54. the inner harbor is a 58. the barometer is holding steady. temperatures around the area near that -- mid--to-upper-50's along the eastern shore. hagerstown is at 48 degrees

. >> keller y sus amigos lo saben por eso corren para encontrarse con otros grupo, tienen pactado unaiÑos que se reÚnen cada noche en la sede de esta escuela. >> allÍ aprenden a bailar, cantar rap, hacer graffitis y las mezclas improvisadas de mÚsica que tanto didentifican a "hip hop." >> el "hip hop" siempre es educaciÓn, nosotros vemos el "hip hop" como una herramienta de crecimiento personal. >> daniel c. es batarista de profesor y veterano del conflicto del medio oriente, dejÓ su lejano ayisrael hace a para sumarse >> comencÉ a llegar a la escuela tipo 4 y hasta las 9 de la noche estÁn dando giros en la cabeza, sudando, clases de dj, clases de mÚsica, de graffitis, bailando todo el dÍa, todo el dia, llega el rÍtmico para bailarin, el niÑo sale 9 de la noche. la Única cosa que quiere es dormir. >> aquÍ en medellin los amigos del club peligroso son cada vez mÁs y la alcaldÍa estÁ contribuyendo a financiar el proyecto, sin embargo, lo mÁs importante que a travÉs del j"hp hop" son muchos los jÓvenes que regresaron a la escuela y superaron las barreras y dificultades que tenÍan sobre a

. >>> instead of consuming kellers, many people were burning them. 3000 runners took place in the armymiler yesterday. the race started and ended in arlington the part of the route went through downtown washington. registration fees will benefit soldier families. >>> gas prices are taking a tumble and the box of this battle goes to boxing robots. >>> good morning angela merkel and french president nicolas sarkozy say they will have a plan to deal with europe's debt crisis ready this month. it will include a detailed plan to ensure europe's banks have enough capital. surprising news in the u.s. construction firms added thousands of jobs. construction contractors lost 2 million jobs during the recession depressed of gas is falling. the average price of a regular gallon of gas nationwide is $3.39, down 13 cents in the past two weeks. it was a good weekend for fighting robots," real steal" took in $33.3 million. the political sauger,"by its of march"was number two. >> 0 provokes --oprah's channel as a of today. "the rosy show" a lead into zero pres prime-time program. --oprah's prime-time

achievements will be honored at the hall of fame here in seneca falls where women like rosa parks and helen keller their enduring tricks to the country. >> i couldn't have anticipated it. but to deliver anything quite as significant as this honor. >> seneca falls is believed to be the town in frank capra's classic "it's a wonderful life." no doubt micksy -- seneca falls new york, deborah weiner, wbal-tv 11 news. >> and deborah will have reports throughout the senator's hall of fame weekend including her acceptance speech this weekend. >> the first lady was caught on camera doing one of her favorite things, shopping at target. mrs. obama was photographed in sunglasses and a baseball hat shopping at the target in alexandria, virginia. people say she spent 40 minutes in the store and the cashier is the only person to recognize her. experts say there was a political motive behind the shopping trip. >> it's great p.r. for them because they can say, look, on this trip and others, we know what's going on outside the gates of the white house. >> the president says shopping at target is one of the things t

. >> they said when they took us off at keller in oakland, they just said, it's blosked all the way down to san lee aen dough, so i got into san leandro, and every entrance has been blocked. >> reporter: now, tonight i talked with two employees of first transit, which is the organization that operates that paratransit van. they tell me that the driver of that van was not carrying -- was not shuttling any clients at the time of the crash. they also tell me that for some reason, that driver stopped communicating with dispatch sometime around this afternoon, so they decided to try to locate it with the gps, and they figured out it was one of their vans involved in the incident. reporting live in san leandro. abc-7 news. >> dan: police in stockton say they acted on good information in surrounding a house where a killer was believed to be hiding. officers believed steve ruiz was inside the house perhaps with his girlfriend. ruiz is suspected of killing a hells angel last saturday at a funeral for another hell's angels member. armed police and vehicles began gathering at the house. a few hours

. -- paul keller avenue -- poplar avenue. a bit of a delay from white marsh. this is traffic in the area of old court road. we're going to find some delays down towards liberty. that is the latest on traffic pulse 11. now we check in live with ava marie who has been joining us with some cute puppies and she is at barcs. >> we are getting ready for barcstoberfest, is this saturday at patterson park. there will be all sorts of exciting things including a strut your mutt walk and a costume contest. all the pets will be dressed up. he is so cute. he is about 1 years old and he's so cute dressed as a witch. we do have a slight chance for some sprinkles this morning. a more substantial storm moving into tomorrow into wednesday. temperatures will drop down tremendously. they will bounce back into the weekend. 65 and sunshine. i know he will like that. you can donate to barcs on their website. t off my eyes."lf of my ey a walk on the wild side was an amazing when walker's -- wing walkers. >> we are still taking your answers to our water cooler question of the day. wha

keller the no shame is the heart is what i love the best is like i don't care i know this is wrong but i just said it. exercising his rights as a private business owner of rescue service i love like the brazenness and he was of his i just like a muslim shows up and he's like no i want to serve you but he's actually going to spend his hard earned money to run a radio ad and tell the world that he is not going to serve mostly he just doesn't want them in the vicinity he doesn't want them showing up and asking so he's taking care of that don't you worry and i really really love to that it's the liberals he's concerned about i have to say i've been really concerned about a liberal gun uprising for a while now so i'm really really happy that he's nothing that yet is like a problem that didn't exist that he took care. of america. that's my buddy all right let's move on to the next story this one it is this was not so funny you know some people really need to take a chill pill when they play games but i guess that this is. you know capitalism does two years of things like that a woman stabbed

. >> i think the people living up and down this part of keller drive are very well aware 689 they have cars ready to go, if they have to, have water, they have suitcases packed. it's a way of life now. >> reporter: the city of oakland took out this full page ad in the paper, teaching that the family preparedness fair is happening. live in oakland, eric rasmussen ktvu, channel 2 news. >>> a cluster of quakes hit the large island of hawaii today. a few others were in the 3 range, but most of the quakes were small. people felt the shaking, but there is no reported damage. >>> being prepared for when this happens, state emergency officials want everyone to take part in the great california shakeout drill tomorrow. a specially rigged room shows what can happen when the earth shakes. at 10:20 tomorrow morning, more than 8 million californians are expected to drop, cover, and hold on. >>> a new report says thousands of bridges nationwide are structurally deficient and need to be fixed or replaced. why it puts the bay area at the top of the list. >> reporter: julie, it's because of bridges suc

. >> i think the people living up and down this part of keller drive are very well aware 689 they have cars ready to go, if they have to, have water, they have suitcases packed. it's a way of life now. >> reporter: the city of oakland took out this full page ad in the paper, teaching that the family preparedness fair is happening. live in oakland, eric rasmussen ktvu, channel 2 news. >>> a cluster of quakes hit the large island of hawaii today. a few others were in the 3 range, but most of the quakes were small. people felt the shaking, but there is no reported damage. >>> being prepared for whenemer officials want everyone to take part in the great california shakeout drill tomorrow. a specially rigged room shows what can happen when the earth shakes. at 10:20 tomorrow morning, more than 8 million californians are expected to drop, cover, and hold on. >>> a new report says thousands of bridges nationwide are structurally deficient and need to be fixed or replaced. why it puts the bay area at the top of the list. >> reporter: julie, it's because of bridges such as this one here at at&t

. >> the first buffalo possession ends with fred stokes bringing down jim keller.darrell green and a 21-yard return by brad edwards. >> you don't hear that much about our defense. as a matter of fact there's a lot of no names on there. maybe derek, wilbur and charles, but the rest of us we're fighting. not necessarily to -- get some respect. >> second quarter and the offense kicks in. second and nine from the bills' ten. looks left and dives in for score and the skins would lead 17-0 at halftime before the national defense helped out again. third quarter jim kelly picked off. the linebacker barrels down to the two yard line, that sets up the second touchdown of the game. and the skins lead 24-0. two possessions later, rypien lets it rip. the 30-yard hook up with gary clark seals the deal. redskins win 37-24. the third gatorade bath and super bowl win for joe gibbs. >> i don't care. >> we're going to disney world. >> i'm looking forward now like i say to hold my head up high for the next five or six months to know this is it. we're the world champions. we can tell y

and i would say something i'm very proud of and bill keller deserves a lot of credit as well as does our business editor is that we had extremely tough and probing coverage andealtime of the financial meltdown. we did a series called the reckoning and we did another deep investigative reporting by reporters like gretchen morgen son about all of the bad practices coming back and we're all over it now. and i think that the... some of the practices of wall street are now rightly being called into question and you're right that it's linked to a broader anger over the hollowing out of the middle-class and income disparity. >> people worrying that the future will not be as good as the past. >> right, that their kids are not... >> rose: that it won't be the world they kw. >> it's very disconcerting and troubling. many people are suffering. >> rose: thank you for coming. >> thank you for having me, charlie. niioca captioning sponsored by rose communicaons captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.orgre

one catch that wasn't made was by dustin keller.s because he was being tackled and the ball was ripped out of his hands by donald butler. he's going off in the other direction. butler goes 37 yards for the touchdown and what do you think that rex ryan thought about that? he said, you know what, i think we'll need to score some points and that's just what they did. the jets come back to win. >>> the performance of the weekend belonged to cowboys' rookie murray. rushed for a team record, 253 yards in 34-7 win over the rams. murray's biggest run of the game right here on his first carry. 91 yards doing some house work. the third round pick out of oklahoma breaks emmitt smith's team rushing record for a single game. now he needs to outperform smith on "dancing with the stars." look out on the sideline. he runs into what i believe was a sound man. the best part about this, deangelo did check on him and make sure he was okay. check out the guy. he wants to let everybody know he is just fine. yes, i'm okay. that was one of the few highligh

. >> they said when they took us off at keller in oakland they said it's blocked all way down to san leandro, and i got into san leandro and every entrance i got to was blocked. >> i talked with it two employees of first transit which is the organization is that runs the para transit van. they tell me there were no clients aboard the bus at the time of the incident. they also tell me tore some reason the driver of the van stopped communicating with dispatch so they decided to try to locate it through gps and that's when they figured out it was one of their buses involved in the incident. in san leandro, abc news. >> this morning an apartment building fire in san jose has left between 30 and 50 residents without a place to live. the fire broke out in a 20-unit complex just after 1:00 this morning. firefighters had to perform six rescues using a ladder truck to get those victims to safety. the fire itself, king road and bowling green drive, was raging when firefighters arrived. they managed to get it mostly under control within 45 minutes. they are still busy putting out hotspots. inve

and you had keller come in who did a remarkable job. he really, what a great selection.how does jill fit? in between those vastly different personalities? >> well, one of the points i make in the piece, and it's a kind of a narrative through line is that there's a worry in the newsroom that she has some tendencies that hal had. the kind of bruskness, not listening and very exacting standards. and she's not hal raines. i mean, he was a much tougher hombre, but that's a worry people have. on the other hand, she was bill keller's partner for eight years. >> she saw what worked for bill. i mean -- if she -- she was his partner, and she obviously saw -- >> and also -- >> what worked and what didn't work with "the times." >> also, if you know that about yourself -- i do think one of the problems with hal raines, his deputy also wasn't a people person. you didn't have anybody to be his good cop. and i think i'm not sure yet about jill's own management structure. but she's going to need that good cop person to go out there and do all that massaging because all the people managem

. >> they said when they took us off at keller in oakland they said it's blocked all way down to san leandro, and i got into san leandro and every entrance i got to was blocked. >> i talked with it two employees of first transit which is the organization is that runs the para transit van. they tell me there were no clients aboard the bus at the time of the incident. they also tell me for some reason the driver of the van stopped communicating with dispatch so they decided to try to locate it through gps and that's when they figured out it was one of their buses involved in the incident. in san leandro, abc news. >> this morning an apartment building fire in san jose has left between 30 and 50 residents without a place to live. the fire broke out in a 20-unit complex just after 1:00 this morning. firefighters had to perform six rescues using a ladder truck to get those victims to safety. the fire itself, king road and bowling green drive, was raging when firefighters arrived. they managed to get it mostly under control within 45 minutes. they are still busy putting out hotspots. inves