nuclear deterrence against north korea is not necessary. you know. that every north. american nuclear to terrorists in a way is a guarantee that no one attacks japan as well now well known the not necessarily because you know for example north korea. their motivation is to. no to be invaded not to be. attacked to destroy the regime. is that you sorry i keep interrupting you but i'll forget to ask you this say you it feels like you don't think the north korea is actually capable of attacking a neighbor one day on or they are they are capable of attacking neighbor but whether they will do is a different question really you don't think they'll do they think they use the nukes just to keep the regime in place that's it you. feel you know oppressed. or you know. they're they feel there is an immediate. very imminent danger of being attacked but they know that once they use a nuclear weapons that's basically. seen no. because there would be. there would be fight for about and you know there's so much. you don't feel like i just have to go to the question because you didn't q

know. nuclear deterrence against north korea we may have. meant we could be out the nuclear deterrent to change. the rules and the balance right. so there could be a new balance in you know the new. thinking of our security. system i just have plus two questions sensitive issue you know ninety's perception. of japan in general so the american president has visited here ashima but do you see a situation where a japanese prime minister for instance visit gene because the chinese are saying you know. so anti-nuclear complain in japan of which you are part of of course is sort of a way to whitewash japan's role in world war two and not fair because you can't discuss the bombing without the reasons behind the bombing do you do you see a situation where your prime minister would actually visit nineteen like american presidents hiroshima you know maybe possible. you know. and of course depends environment and context if is. in the core of the context. think you'd be difficult for a prime minister to go but the party's out of context you know it may

north korea does? pres. trump: i really don't know. i want to give everybody the benefit of the doubt. sayink that -- i can only that our people are literally dealing with them right now in terms of making arrangements for the meeting. that is a lot different than what you read, but often times what you read, if it is not fake news it is true. we will see what happens. we are dealing with them now. we may have the meeting, we may not have the meeting. if we don't have it, that will be very interesting and we will see what happens. the border is still quite strong. i think things changed a little bit when they met with china. they met the second time, as you know kym johnson had a -- kim jong-un had a second meeting with china. with many of the chinese here today, big allegations negotiating trade because the united states has been ripped off for many years by its bad trade deal spirit i don't blame china. i blame our country from the past. we have been ripped off by china. and if evacuation of wealth like no country has seen before. given to another country that has rebuilt itself base

treated to on this trip was a privilege not to many people here in north korea to experience it done of reporting from north korea to see you know that's something you don't see every day and international news reports from north korea was carried out by igor it had gone off for me still regularly posting updates from the country on his twitter page. moving on now eighty six palestinian demonstrators were injured in violence on the gaza border on friday it's the if week of occupation protests known as the great march of return he has been following events. the odds but. since the beginning of the great march of return on the thirtieth of marked at least nine thousand palestinian protesters have been injured with live ammunition to gas canisters and other weapons that israeli forces have been using against the palestinian protesters and sends the last the last death throes of today is one hundred fifteen palestinian protesters were killed as you see tensions are rising the palestinian protesters are throwing rocks and the israeli forces are i really acting to these are rocks with live ammunition and i can clearly see that it's re

north korea driven. yeah, of course, they're interested in the middle east because they have to, but for the rest of it, you know they subordinated china policy to north korea and that's the reason why you get kim jong-un at least saying he's going to show up in singapore june 12th. maybe july 12th, maybe august 12th but i think it will happen. mark: what was donald trump done that's so different from most of the recent presidents with respect to north korea? >> really, there are two things, first of all, you have the sanctions, not only u.s. sanctions, but also a concerted effort at the u.n. for security council sanctions. and the other thing, of course, is the president's comments that he was going to strike north korea. he was not going to allow them to be able to strike the american homeland, and then, of course, have you john bolton, national security adviser, mike pompeo. you know, this has unnerved the north koreans, and also the south koreans and the chinese because there's a guy named andre lankov, the world's number one expert on north korea. he said, look, the policies of these three countries changed

north korea. but we went to the streets of seoul to ask people what they thought. it is not very scientific but everybody we spoke to canceled their talks. they know north korea plays games. but they didn't like what mr. trump did. >>> still to come, people are trapped in homes and businesses in ellicott city, maryland, as floods race through downtown. >>> and residents living near the volcano in hawaii are given a final warning to get out as la a threatens to cut off escape routes. we'll show you what residents are facing there, next. diarrhea... , girl, pepto ultra coating will treat your stomach right. nausea, heartburn, indigestion, upset stomach, diarrhea.♪ try new pepto with ultra coating. (thuappliance got you down? washing machine dying) head to the sears memorial day event. up to 40 percent off appliances. 52% off this kenmore refrigerator. 50 percent off kenmore elite laundry pairs. find your new appliance at the sears memorial day event. ♪ better than all the rest ♪ applebee's new bigger bolder grill combos. now that's eatin' good in the neighborhood. burning, pins-and-needles of beforediabetic nerve pain, these feet... grew into a free

speaking of the new regional order, we just had the north-south korea summit. i know you watched that very closely. can you talk a little bit about the significance of that, what we've seen, closing down of nuclear testing site. is that exhausted, is it not? is that a gesture to mean something? is that empty one? you can tell us a little bit about that. she said we can ask her anything including kim jong-un's shoe size, if one is brave enough to ask that later. be my guest. katy. >> i was traveling from the southern islands and only check email at night. wi-fi is not good in new zealand. there is a lot of sheep and cows but not much wi-fi. i kept email and my most beloved and respected colleagues and senior mentor sends me an email. we have a panel in north korea. i never say no to him. that is the reason i'm here even though i'm on television. let me put it this way. euphoria from south korea based on the survey, 70% absolutely respect and adored president moon and they think about 60% north koreans kim will denuclearize the entire country, getting rid of all the nuk

assuming we just don't know north korea is a mountainous country the poetry site is located under a mountain even north korea's conventional weapons systems are often hidden behind many of it's hills and mountains so it's entirely possible that there are other testing facilities that we just don't have any clue about jason everyone looking towards the summit with u.s. president trump in a few weeks what could be rail it at this point. pretty much anything sumi i mean it's just last week north korea said that because of ongoing south korean and u.s. military exercises it might consider calling off the talks it also said that washington's insistence that come young denuclearize unilaterally could also call off the talks as well as pointing out that some of what national security advisor john bolton said. that he'd like to see a libyans style denuclearization take place in north korea of course moammar gadhafi died after giving up his nuclear program in the early to thousands. has said that could also be rail the talks so but despite all that there there is no indication that they are there's n

and you know what we cannot forget? north korea overnight blowing up that one known nuclear site. we know that journalists are there. western journalists are there. many are saying -- north korea, are they telling the truth? is this the only place they had, and we want to make sure the journalists make it home safely. president trump set to speak this hour in 20 minutes. no doubt he will be speaking about the summit with north korea. now cancelled. we're going to bring it to you live. we don't know if there will be an opportunity to ask questions, but i promise our team will try. all of this is happening as the united states is in trade talks with north korea's biggest ally, china. this is where they get all their stuff from. how this north korean news could hit negotiations and your wallet. remember, you feel like north korea and china are a lifetime away. they're not. china, our trading partner, look around the room you're in right now. pick up your coffee mug. look where it was made. david. what's going on? oh hey! ♪ that's it? yeah. that's it? everybody two seconds! "dear sebas

he knows about north korea's geopolitical space, in northeast. thinking decades down the road of where he will be if he agrees to this or that. president trump knows none of this, therefore he's going to talk to this guy, make a deal? it makes no sense. >> i think a critical part of that goes to the man himself, a man who has professed a lack of interest in reading, a lack of interest in being briefed. what's important about those two things, particularly in the job of president is that you have to absorb and internalize so that you can assess and then go out and figure out what your policy is going to be, how you want to move forward on these things. i think what is happening now is he is getting all of this information, he's beginning to see just how difficult this is to do, to put this summit on in the time span they want to put it on in to get the outcome he wants. and north korea is not necessarily playing ball the way he thought they would, saying and doing some things that are problematic. then there is south korea. south korea is moving fo

north korea developing mess. there stood policies. you see the people talking to the north koreans wanting to sound like you are approaching this whole process with strengt strength. but economically, we know that north korea is in really bad place. we've seen it with their people. there is a reality that north korea may be coming to the table because they have -- they've done the math, run the numbers, the current strategy does not work for their nation. the people who are talking about the economic reality for north korea, i think they might be the dash that might be the winning argument in trying to guess exactly what caused that epiphany for kim jong un. i don't believe they have the ability to actually have a nuclear warhead to survive we the macri entry. the toughest country on the entire globe to collect intel on, we don't know for sure. >> shannon: a lot of people were reassured that you said that, saying there is plenty of skepticism is a work toward the summit. congressman, thank you for joining us. as we wait for the sausages to land on u.s. soil, we'll take a look back at how we got here, what did those hostages allegedly do? why were they being held in north korea? details of

china given north korea nuclear shield have the have they promised north korea military support not forgetting the korean war they lost over a million people million soldiers so they are you know they're in the game and they're going to support north korea right well yes imagine the sanctions have really put a lot of pressure on north korea and it seems that donald trump maybe locked up the geopolitical chess board argo gorup board and looked at where the u.s. was wasting the last monday and the military budget and said hey now those troops in south korea could probably the ball and we can save a lot of money right there let's get that in laotian and that. the result that brings anthem play china south korea and russia and as a way to unravel this enormous military apparatus that the u.s. as much as half of tax dollars approximately one point five trillion annually goes into the pentagon's budget and you know i think the pentagon burns to one hundred fifty thousand gallons of oil a day or something extraordinary at say their thousands or millions or something unbelievable so it's an unbelievable drain on our energy resources so just as a single point of failure or a single poi

works in correspondence a miracle let's delve a little bit further into this because we know north korea has been plowing ahead with the conditions for the meeting and has destroyed its only nuclear test facility today our correspondent don off was the site among the very few international journalists allowed to witness it happening. well just getting nuclear test site inches from the noble three hours of full time of their useful nuclear testing one of them the north tunnel chile was used for the latest fall even nuclear test the other two were you when you have korean told us that they had been ready to conduct a nuclear test any movement to prevent. the tubes it's inside more of the real way surely they're ready to make real concessions now the practical itself was quite impressive the explosions looks like a smaller option than rule from under the ground for civilian journalist couldn't really estimates as to how much damage would today go to pyongyang and the nuclear program as a whole north korea. they've made this step the now well now they will expect something and we turn now we

conscious of not just what south korea wants out of this process but what north korean expectations are and i think this is what you've seen now over the past couple of days is you know when when north korea is now protesting the idea that they're using strategic strategic assets in a military jail this does not bode well for the spirit of the penguins i'm declaration and this could fall apart easily we've seen it fall apart in the past and so there has to be you know greater concern now as to you know what are both sides thinking what are the expectations how do we continue down a positive path you know professor you know one of the things that you know that is very valuable when you are in negotiations like this is to be able to imagine being in the other guy's shoes ok this is a kind of dialogue here but you know i don't see that in western policymaking they could never imagine themselves in the you know the you know the american people western public so i don't think you realize that north korea is surrounded by some of the most sophisticated military hardware in the world the biggest military exercises in the world and you know there is this perception you know

what is north korea looking for instead of that? >> if you know how to read north korean statements and the economic optics is important. what they are pushing back against is the notion is the nukes are for sale. you can skip the peace part and we will lift sanctions and give you aid and investment and you give up your nukes. there is a first phase focused on political and military and security issues on both sides. just like we have specific expectations in giving up nuclear and missile expectations, they have an expectation from us with peace. change the structure and posture. those will be the steps we have to take. that's the security part and you can't just fast forward through that and get to the economic part. in the long run, the economic driver is very important. kim jong-un said he wants to really be the leader of north korea who makes it a prosperous economy. that is the long-term driver. we cannot skip the first part. >> we have to see where this goes. john delury. thank you for your time. >>> the u.s. president renewed his attack on

shouldn't be our job to roll it so you later let us know what you wrote and i disagreed you know north korea south korea its neighbors actually are involved in the process i just don't think quite frankly we have enough to deal with at home you know i don't think our president and all of these of these people that have a million other things they should be working on the stars diplomacy if you are sticking their nose at them as far as i'm concerned you let china and north korea and south korea deal with this on their own that's that's my personal opinion if they need something from us as allies that's fine but i think there is a point where you just say you can't go to the table making you think that the north korean new service actually had released a statement from a north korean official that stated that quote the u.s. is deliberately provoking north korea at the time the situation on the korean peninsula is moving toward peace and reconciliation thanks to the historic north south summit and the. operation so even they're saying like this is getting ridiculous like why are you taking cred

parcel of the path for the historic summit between the united states and south excuse me and north korea you know we've seen can john lennon's well going to china to basically could see that north korea is reaching out to you it's a dork ally in the lead up to the summit now setting a level of said that the north should consider quote recent history when it comes to negotiations with the americans what does he mean by that do you think. you know i think it's interesting as he could mean a number of things but most recently you've heard members of trumped war cabinet you know namely john bolton as well as mike henke mentioning. libya as a model of denuclearization for north korea and north korea understand completely that when the united states is starting the rhetoric about libya that it actually means the prospect of regime change and you know perhaps there is some. caution in those those words but that one potential interpretation of of the of those terms some have suggested john bolton's words were that of a veiled threat towards the leadership in pyongyang in the meantime the christie north k

relations with the united states and that being that both koreas would have the possibility of some form of you know haitian you know basically north korea. had you know it has made all of these. are gestures toward pursuing peace and with regard to be us end of things in terms of donald trump you know it's peaking about peace the fact of the matter is that donald trump as recently as last year was threatening north korea with total annihilation the other thing that just happened recently is the united states took part in an operation max thunder now according to the penguin john declaration that the two korean leaders basically released in april it stated that the two koreas and this includes south korea in terms of the joint ward exercises with the united states that in terms of air land and sea that there should be no sort of nuclear threat the fact of the matter is that north korea has been within the crosshairs of the u.s. war machine it has known intimately what it means to be between a rock and a hard place in this impossible situation what is north korean done north korea done it's actually taken to the nuclear road and it'

north korea? pres. trump: nothing has changed on north korea that we know of. we have not been told anything, and if it does, that is fine. if it does not, we will probably have a very successful meeting. but, we have not been told anything. we are just reading stories like you are. we have heard certain things from south korea. we will see what happens. if the meeting happens, it happens. if it doesn't, we go on to the next step. reporter: is this a typical thing that north korea does? did you expect this? pres. trump: i really don't know. i want to give everyone the benefit of the doubt. i think -- i can only say, people are literally dealing with them right now in terms of making arrangements for the meeting. that is different than what you read, but often times, what you read, if it is not fake news, is true. we will see what happens and we are dealing with them now. we may have the meeting, we may not have the meeting. if we don't have it, that will be very interesting. we will see what happens. the border is quite strong. i think things changed a little b

or damages in those such kind of situations and having the nuclear capability of north korea of course it has more you know some concerns but not like united states so we're hearing tonight is that what japan nuclear north korea is a kind of a new threat and then looks like an impending threat but at least to the majority of south korean people of course it's a very important issue and we need to take care of it but it's not so it's a kind of impending issue like in united states so how to never with on these different perception gap between the two countries and the people and leaders of these two countries they're very very important i agree completely here kevin one of the things that i think is an impediment to all of this and all this use the short hand term deep state deep state in the united states is it. what if there is peace you know breaks out on the peninsula what is the usefulness of having american troops there and then you look at all of the in tangling alliances the united states has in the pacific where you think about taiwan think about japan and they're going to be saying oh well they're

north korean regime since no independent analyst or nuclear experts were invited to observe the demolition of the home gate or the site so we've had you know a team of mostly western journalists enter north korea however despite pyongyang saying south korean reporters would be allowed eight south korean journalists were denied entry to north korea of and were more or less left in beijing hoping to get on that flight south korea's unification ministry has expressed regret but hopes that the demolition of this nuclear site later this week will. will back up what will it will help support the ongoing talks that the plan summit between president trump and kim jong un for next month jason there is a skepticism whether dismantling the site will achieve what conjunct has claimed does have other testing sites if kim decides to continue developing atomic weapons assuming we just don't know what north korea is a mountainous country the poetry site is located under a mountain even north korea's conventional weapons systems are often hidden behind many of it's hills and mountains so it's entirely possible that there are other testing facilities that we just don't have any clue about jason everyone looking

it would not have taken to the nuclear road so north korea is now in possession of a nuclear deterrent and it's actually calling for peace and so you know we have to realize that paradoxically north korea which described itself as a peace loving nuclear power and in control and new year's address this past year is actually that it's using its nuclear deterrent as a lever to be able to discuss the prospect of peace. or of. kristen kristen well i would just also add to what professor hawkes flippantly stated it was as much as i want to say the peace train has left the station and that north and south korea are progressing irrespective of what donald trump does with his the bush diplomacy is that we know from the previous era of the sunshine era where kim dae kim jong. now side a policy of one and detente with the south korean president and then we have is that it reached basically a glass ceiling because the u.s. policy of aggression towards north korea as a professor hung about it the axis of evil north korea's place along with iran and iraq in the axis of evil and so as much as you want to see interest in progress it will always be cons

coincide with the wishes of mankind and that north korea at all points made its most efforts to keep this dialogue going and to keep the summit on track you know north korea has been accused of showing anger and hostility it seems as though they've gone out of their way this friday morning just to show the exact opposite that they are the injured party in all this another interesting part of that statement also made reference to the trump model for the denuclearization of north korea as you mentioned there in the report there has been a lot of controversy a lot of anger over the u.s. insistence all north korea following the so-called libya model well this statement seems to recognize the fact that there was another way the so-called trump model that there was a conciliatory a different path that they could have followed towards denuclearization remains to be seen whether they will get a chance they won't happen next month in singapore but whether there will be at some point some kind of summit that will investigate that possibility and rob donald trump had accused pyongyang of breaking promises in the run up to this but of course young would s

conscious of not just what south korea wants out of this process but what north korean expectations are and i think this is what you've seen now over the past couple of days is you know when when north korea is now protesting the idea that they're using strategic strategic assets in a military drill this does not bode well for the spirit of the penguins on declaration and this could fall apart easily we've seen it fall apart in the past and so there has to be greater concern now as to you know what are both sides thinking what are the expectations how do we continue down a positive path. you know a professor in one of the things that you know that is very valuable when you are in negotiations like this is to be able to imagine being in the other guy's shoes ok this is a kind of dialogue here but you know i don't see that in western policymaking they could never imagine themselves in the you know they you know in the american people western public so i don't think a real i said north korea surrounded by some of the most sophisticated military hardware in the world the biggest military exercises in the world and you know there is this perception you know that somehow t

as you know, in north korea we just had a very great success. we had three wonderful people, americans that were released just recently and they are now home safely with their families. and, you were a tough one, i have to tell you. that was a tough situation. but we have had 17 released and we are very proud of that record. we have others coming. we are in the midst of big negotiations to get others out . in most cases they are americans but we can try to help other countries as well. we've been working very hard on it. i just want to welcome you to the oval office and welcome you to the white house. it is really very special to have you both. you have gone through a lot. you have gone through a lot. more than most people could endure. i want to thank your parents for being such loving parents. you were really very special. you were fighting all the way. there was not a day, hour, or minute that you are not thinking about this man and calling everybody and letting us know. we are all as a group very happy. the state department has been fantasti

forces there north korea is threatening that they might pull out so we're seeing both north korea and the united states kim jong un and donald trump you know playing a hard negotiation game in the lead up to this planned meeting north korea has repeatedly demanded and to the military drills recently counseling a meeting with the south over them and despite pyongyang threatening to pull the plug on the summit with the u.s. as well the pentagon insists the war games will continue the director of the nuclear studies institute at the american university peter things this could easily stop a top of the summit there's a real possibility the june twelfth summit meeting might be canceled the drills have been planned long in advance of the summit however was a mistake for the trumpet ministration stage these kinds of drills on this scale at this point is her round of war games these military exercises going on between the united. that's in south korea so that's another major provocation to north korea and the hardline statements by john bolton were enough to fuel to actually give more leverage to the hawks in north korea now he said that could be n

i know north korea has gone back on some of its promises in the past. well, there is a new sheriff in town, his name is president donald trump. so everybody out to be either cheering him on and hope he successful, or they should just shut up. that can do more damage than anything else. >> jesse: i think the references to john kerry when he was negotiating the iran deal, he refused to leave the table because it was up against a time constraint and the legacy play was very much in his mind and in barack obama's mind. this president is going to keep john kerry in his little bicycle far away from singapore. >> i think every american including democrats and everyone in congress by thinking about the tens of thousands of american soldiers in south korea. so, people want them to be safe and ideally come home. i don't think anyone is rooting against the president, they want to make sure can happen. in terms of iran and john kerry, i think it might be early to be celebrating. it's easy to tear up an agreement. we don't know how it will go. i know the people who

risk damages in that sense kind of situations and having the nuclear capability of north korea of course it has more you know some concerns but not like united states so we're hearing tonight is that what japan nuclear north korea is a kind of a new threat and then looks like an impending threat but at least to the majority of south korean people of course it's a very important issue and we need to take care of it but it's not so it's a kind of impending issue like in united states so how to never with on these different perception gap between the two countries and the people and leaders of these two countries they're very very important i agree completely here kevin one of the things that i think is an impediment to all of this and all this use the shorthand term deep state deep state in the united states is it. what if there is peace you know breaks out on the peninsula what is the usefulness of having american troops there and then you look at all of the in tangling alliances the united states has in the pacific we think about taiwan think about japan and they're going to be saying oh well they're going t

north korea issue speaks to people. i think people have an understanding of this issue. i think people know korea and kim jong-un. they know he's a dictator who has been starving his people, this regime the president just months ago at the state of the union railed against as one of the worst in the world, most corrupt in the world, now meeting with him in singapore, we know. interesting pick, though, because i don't believe the u.s. has an ambassador to singapore. mcfarland pulled out. >> obviously the secretary of state, pompeo, this is his show. the question i have on this is does he come across as presidential? i think you're right that it will help voters and republicans in some more conservative districts be -- feel more comfortable with the president when they have issues. we have democrats railing on them for corruption. democrats are railing on so many issues. >> phil, you talk about the optics. we saw overnight, i think, the made for tv president, right? putting on a show. that is what we could expect to see come mid june. >> absolutely. that homecoming last night was cinematic. i

country that being north korea he made reference to his upcoming meeting with kim jong il and i said he would meet with kim jong un and that he was optimistic about it and that. you know north korea has withdrawn from the nuclear nonproliferation treaty they are a possessor of nuclear weapons but it appears dollars trump is optimistic about his upcoming meeting this is his remarks. plans are being made relationships are built and hopefully a deal will happen and with the help of china south korea and japan a future of great prosperity and security can be achieved for everyone and clearly list stick with you because. it's not quite on his own he is he's got some support coming from israel. but yes benjamin netanyahu the prime minister of israel has been outspoken in calling for the usa to withdraw from the deal he recently gave a power point presentation claiming that iran is lying about its nuclear program and he claims that iran is moving weapons into syria for the purpose of targeting israel this is benjamin netanyahu urging down from to do what he did today and withdraw from the deal. these were supposed to do from the store. because we said that rather than blocki

china given north korea nuclear shield have the have they promised north korea military support not forgetting the korean war they lost over a million people million soldiers so they are you know they're in the game and they're going to support north korea right well yes imagine the sanctions have really put a lot of pressure on north korea and it seems that donald trump maybe locked up the geopolitical chess board argo gorup board and looked at where the u.s. was wasting the last monday and the military budget and said hey you know those troops in south korea could probably get gul and we can save a lot of money right there let's get that in laotian and. as a result that brings and to play china south korea and russia and as a way to unravel this enormous military apparatus at the us as much as half of tax dollars approximately one point five trillion annually goes into the pentagon's budget and you know i think the pentagon burns two hundred fifty thousand gallons of oil a day or something extraordinary and say there are thousands or millions or something unbelievable so it's an unbelievable drain on our energy resources so just as a single point of failure or a single point

we also know north korea already has nuclear weapons. jon, you and i have talked about this. will kim jong-un agree to inspections anywhere close to what iran was already allowing? >> reporter: that's uncertain, david. north korea has cut itself off from almost all of the outside world for more than a half a century. it is hard to imagine that such an isolated and secretive regime would suddenly open itself up, including its most sensitive military facilities, but the white house insists that any deal with north korea will be fully verifiable, and that would mean inspections beyond anything we have ever seen in north korea. >> all right, all of this as we await the arrival of the three americans. jon karl, thank you. >>> the other major story, the president's one-time attorney and friend, michael cohen, surrounded today by cameras and surrounded by new questions, too, after it's been learned that millions were paid to him through his shell company after the election. some of that money funneled through the company with possible ties to a russian oligarch. so, what was the mon

the trump administration, and i just hope it's not too late because now, eight years ago, you know, north korean't have missiles that could reach the united states, you know. it wasn't testing hydrogen bombs but it is today and poses a clear threat. mark: is this going to link in with the notion of our strategic defense initiative, started under reagan, and conservatives and republicans have tried to carry this forward through administrations but it's been a rocky road? >> absolutely. you know, i think, improved national missile defense, bringing back president reagan, the strategic defense initiative, you know, is one of the solutions. when you're dealing with existential threat like this, an existential threat that could end your civilization. you want belts and suspenders. the worst thing would be to -- we are facing threats from north korea, iran developing ballistic missiles. china accelerating development of nuclear missiles. russia threatened us a month ago with all of these new generation nuclear missiles. >> hypersonic weapons. >> that we have no counterparts to. and nuclear weapons th

north korea after here? why the change in position? you think you know. we were talking during the break. at is it they're after? >> for seven decade since north korea was formed, there is one goal of the north korean regime, to take over south korea. that is what the korean war is all about. after the korean war even though north korean became destitute they still believe they can do so. kim jong-un is talking about final victory or communist party or north korean lingo for taking over the south. they believe if they can get the u.s. to get its troops off the peninsula they can intimidate south korea in position. melissa: this is a change in strategy if you will? they may sincerely get rid of the nuclear arsenal under this scenario but the price would be get u.s. troops off the peninsula? then you think at that point they would be free to go south and take over south korea? i mean south korea, you know, it is much more affluent. you know, north korea is hermit regime. how would that happen? >> right now south korea has a president moon jae-in is very sympathetic to north korean goals. for

conscious of not just what south korea wants out of this process but what north korean expectations are and i think this is what you've seen now over the past couple of days is you know when when north korea is now protesting the idea that they're using strategic strategic assets in a military jail this does not bode well for the spirit of the penguins i'm declaration and this could fall apart easily we've seen it fall apart in the past and so there has to be you know greater concern now as to you know what are both sides thinking what are the expectations how do we continue down a positive path. you know a professor in one of the things that you know that is very valuable when you are in negotiations like this is to be able to imagine being in the other guy's shoes ok this is a kind of dialogue here but you know i don't see that in western policymaking they could never imagine themselves in the you know they you know the american people western public so i don't even think a realize that north korea is surrounded by some of the most sophisticated military hardware in the world the biggest military exercises in the world and you know there is this perception you know

liz: we don't know if north korea will agree to that, right? >> of course, we don't. and quite honestly, i don't know that north korea will be honest. what we're hearing from secretary of state pompeo is we're going to have to have absolute verification. today the journalists are seeing, allegedly, these testing areas being blown up but inspectors aren't allowed in. we don't know, we're not going to have a positive assessment. liz: that's the point, north korea is blowing up biggest nuclear test site, bringing in international journalists but not military inspectors to see if they really did it, and the question is, is north korea going to be allowed to destroy evidence here, right? >> that's a great question. the question is, is north korea destroying evidence, or a major pr campaign by kim jong-un right now, for a lot of reasons. liz: do you think they're destroying evidence? >> that was the first thing that came to mind, probably destroying evidence and spinning it as making a concession. but on the world stage when you look at world politics, sometimes it's the way

the summit between the koreas and the us in russia so this is plain serious thing michel. you know so north korea look i mean that the images of the shaky hands crossing the border is was one of the most heartwarming geo political images i can remember seeing so it's a great thing i hope that there is peace. i will say this though before we get all excited regarding the state of geopolitics around the world you know i haven't written a single post and i write a lot of posts on geopolitics i haven't written one single post ever about north korea and how i'm concerned about it because i just wasn't concerned about it and as you know now because you've been talking about it forever the key to the to the u.s. imperial dominance around the world is the petro dollar ok and oil is the key to the petro dollar so to me the korea what korea was never you know as much as trump was belligerent is tweets about it it was never to me the crown jewel for the u.s. empire i still think that's a rant and i believe with the addition of bolton and pump a zero to high positions in u.s. diplomacy and intelligence

north korea. a 90 minute meeting with kim jong un, clearly they are hearing something from the north koreans that is encouraging to them, setting the table for the summit. >> you know what strikes me about this is you could almost say that president trump is approaching north korea the way president obama approached iran. with sort of a great deal of hope in the power of a new departure by the united states, with an old enemy who is building nuclear weapons. and, i think a real wild card is that kim jong un is young. he's only 30 or 32 years old. it's possible that he's looking some kind of agreement that would guarantee him personally and his family a hold on power. not just the regime but him personally would be guaranteed and power. that might be something that gives the united states a little bit of leverage in the sense that, he unlike his father and grandfather was not at the end of his career but the very beginning of one. it's interesting to see how this works out but i have to say, so far this is nothing that we haven't in some form or another haven't seen before. >> he wants more aid from the left. he wants what the country has always wanted. >> bret: the

he knows north korea, nuclear weapons make the world less safe, less secure, less stable, he wants to remove nuclear weapons from the korean peninsula. a noble goal, he has cooperations including china. he will apply sanctions, to make sure they become to the negotiating table. shannon: the statement media agency says the united states will have to undertake deliberations about the summit in light of this provocative military ruckus jointly conducted with the south korean authorities. these military exercises between south korea and the us are a provocation. and acknowledge the importance of them. and in that issue, what do you think is going on? >> these exercises were going to be taking place, they voiced opposition to previous exercises as part of these negotiations. in dealing with a barbaric regime that has helped sway over 7 decades. their actions can be unpredictable. we are dealing with a regime that doesn't play by the rules, just saber rattling from pyongyang to disrupt positive momentum on the us side. and shooting themselves in the foot, they have far more to lose than the